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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:57 am

Subject is my favorite, then the first one. Blood on the Bricks and Twitch are OK, but Nova's Dream is lame.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:03 am

"Sausage Fingers" Malmsteen, who now weights in at a minimum of 275 pounds, is just a speed player. That's all he ever was and it's all he'll ever be. It's a JOKE to compare him to Neal. Hell, Neal is much better than his mentor, Carlos Santana.

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Postby nikki » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:08 am

Naughtius Maximus wrote: Hell, Neal is much better than his mentor, Carlos Santana.

N.I.G.


I thought I was the only one who thought Neal turned out to be a better player than CS. Neal always seemed to be more willing to experiment than Santana...just one of the reasons I prefer listening to his playing over many others.
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Postby slucero » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:10 am

Yngwie is pretty amazing.... he even thinks so... check him out.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0bcZjnjaM

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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:11 am

Naughtius Maximus wrote:"Sausage Fingers" Malmsteen, who now weights in at a minimum of 275 pounds, is just a speed player. That's all he ever was and it's all he'll ever be. It's a JOKE to compare him to Neal. Hell, Neal is much better than his mentor, Carlos Santana.

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Postby conversationpc » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:17 am

Naughtius Maximus wrote:"Sausage Fingers" Malmsteen, who now weights in at a minimum of 275 pounds, is just a speed player. That's all he ever was and it's all he'll ever be. It's a JOKE to compare him to Neal. Hell, Neal is much better than his mentor, Carlos Santana.

N.I.G.


What's Malmsteen's weight got to do with anything? While it's true that most of what Malmsteen does is speed playing, he is able to play some wonderfully melodic passages. I just wish he would do it more often. I do agree that Neal is a much better player than Santana, though.

Here's a hilarious video on Youtube making fun of Yngwie...

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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:45 am

Red13JoePa wrote:He does shred a little more than I need these days but the denigration of his actual capabilities is laughable now.


I give him a break on the overshreds since not only didn't JSS run over to soundmen going "TURN DOWN NEAL'S AMPS!!!" he actually genuflected when Neal soloed, like a real Journey frontman should. :)



:shock: genuflect
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genuflected, genuflecting
1. To bend one's knee in worship or as a sign of respect

had to look it up,,, GREAT word for the day man..
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Postby Tomulator » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:52 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
JR (Susie) wrote:
Arrival09 wrote:
Andrew wrote:Recent events aside, you can't falt Neal's playing. he's up there with the very best ever and doesn't get some of the accolades that Van Halen and Lukather get.


Saw TOTO live the other night and sat very close to the stage. I can say that Luke deserves every bit of praise he receives and more. The guy is awesome and is also much more engaging of the crowd than Neal Schon.


Luke is unreal. Puts Neal to shame IMHO.



I agree...maybe not "to shame" but, Luke is better and talk about playing "appropriately" for a given song/genre...Luke is the man!

8)


I love Luke but he's a distant second to Neal and no one plays what the song calls for better than Neal.

About Luke being better with the audience, he should be, he's Toto's front man, Kimble is not.


Uhhh...you would be wrong.

:roll:


Yeah but you couldn't huh??


ABSOLUTELY I could be wrong...but on this one I'm not.

The truth is, I LOVE NS's playing...always have. Some things he does better than ANYONE else. It's just that, note-for-note, in my opinion, Luke is better. Probably the best indication of Luke's talent lies in the opinions of his peers. They all say he absolutely SMOKES on the instrument.

One additional thing I really like about Luke is his humble attitude about his playing. He never draws attention to himself...always gives the "other" guitar player the credit.

The man can FLAT OUT PLAY...ask anyone in "the know".

Out.

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Postby Deb » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:54 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Socratic Methodist wrote:Aldo Nova


I thought me and AKay were the only Aldo fans on here. Which album is your favorite?


Nope, one more. :)
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:54 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:He does shred a little more than I need these days but the denigration of his actual capabilities is laughable now.


I give him a break on the overshreds since not only didn't JSS run over to soundmen going "TURN DOWN NEAL'S AMPS!!!" he actually genuflected when Neal soloed, like a real Journey frontman should. :)



:shock: genuflect
verb


genuflected, genuflecting
1. To bend one's knee in worship or as a sign of respect

had to look it up,,, GREAT word for the day man..



Believe it.

I thought it was the coolest thing ever on the Baltimore show DVD when JSS did that.
8)
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Postby Deb » Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:58 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:He does shred a little more than I need these days but the denigration of his actual capabilities is laughable now.


I give him a break on the overshreds since not only didn't JSS run over to soundmen going "TURN DOWN NEAL'S AMPS!!!" he actually genuflected when Neal soloed, like a real Journey frontman should. :)



:shock: genuflect
verb


genuflected, genuflecting
1. To bend one's knee in worship or as a sign of respect

had to look it up,,, GREAT word for the day man..



Believe it.

I thought it was the coolest thing ever on the Baltimore show DVD when JSS did that.
8)


JBJ does that to Richie all the time.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:07 am

Deb wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:He does shred a little more than I need these days but the denigration of his actual capabilities is laughable now.


I give him a break on the overshreds since not only didn't JSS run over to soundmen going "TURN DOWN NEAL'S AMPS!!!" he actually genuflected when Neal soloed, like a real Journey frontman should. :)



:shock: genuflect
verb


genuflected, genuflecting
1. To bend one's knee in worship or as a sign of respect

had to look it up,,, GREAT word for the day man..



Believe it.

I thought it was the coolest thing ever on the Baltimore show DVD when JSS did that.
8)


JBJ does that to Richie all the time.


As does Dee Snider to Eddie "Fingers" Ojeda.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:09 am

Yea, someone does it to Neal, though, for the first time in his career and he's an egomaniac.

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Postby Kimmy » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:11 am

Deb wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Socratic Methodist wrote:Aldo Nova


I thought me and AKay were the only Aldo fans on here. Which album is your favorite?


Nope, one more. :)


hey!! I too love Aldo Nova.. Just listened to them this morning! Cool!
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Postby brywool » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:17 am

AR wrote:Neal shreds now and plays with absolutely no feeling whatsoever. His tone sucks and his playing is robotic.


His Tone Sucks.

THANK GOD somebody else said this. I can't stand Neal's guitar sound.
NO. He's NOT Steve F'ing Perry. But he's Arnel F'ing Pineda and I'm okay with that.
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Postby SF-Dano » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:35 am

My 2cents.

Neal is among the best. Neal does shred a little more than my liking these days, but he still kicks ass.

George Lynch is among the best (whoever said he sucked must have cought him on a very off night)

Yngwie is awesome. I have the concerto dvd. He does have some emotion in his playing but nowhere Neal back in the day.

Luke is among the best.

Neal is a much better player that Carlos Santana. Santana is a very good player, Neal is great.

Tony McAlpine - great guitar player. Even better piano player.

For discussion - how great of a player would Randy Rhodes be considered today if he hadn't passed away with such a slim catalog of music. I think - one of the greatest. His playing with Ozzy was so clean and fast. Such a shame.
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Re: Neal is not the greatest guitar player

Postby SF-Dano » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:42 am

[quote="Matthew


I second this...and Deano's comments too. It seems to me that the totally legitimate and understandable 'protest' against Journey is getting ridiculous and infantile now...and is fast losing any credibility.[/quote]

Matthew, you and I usually don't agree much when it comes to all things Journey, but I definately agree with you comment here.r

Love Whitesnake too, even the stuff from way back like "Would I lie to you", "Ain't No Love....In the heart of the City", "Bloody Mary" etc. Great straight forward Rock music.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:50 am

Kimmy wrote:
Deb wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Socratic Methodist wrote:Aldo Nova


I thought me and AKay were the only Aldo fans on here. Which album is your favorite?


Nope, one more. :)


hey!! I too love Aldo Nova.. Just listened to them this morning! Cool!


Aldo Nova is not a group, although he does play almost every instrument on his first couple of albums.
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Postby Behshad » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:53 am

conversationpc wrote:
Naughtius Maximus wrote:"Sausage Fingers" Malmsteen, who now weights in at a minimum of 275 pounds, is just a speed player. That's all he ever was and it's all he'll ever be. It's a JOKE to compare him to Neal. Hell, Neal is much better than his mentor, Carlos Santana.

N.I.G.


What's Malmsteen's weight got to do with anything? While it's true that most of what Malmsteen does is speed playing, he is able to play some wonderfully melodic passages. I just wish he would do it more often. I do agree that Neal is a much better player than Santana, though.

Here's a hilarious video on Youtube making fun of Yngwie...

Super Amazing Guitar God lesson :lol:



Dave, That video is just hilarious :lol: Its been a while since i since it last, but still funny as hell....
And as you said what does one's weight have to do with playing guitar... if thats the case, shouldnt one's height be considered too?;)
Besides, Yngwie has lost tons of weight the past year,,, he quit drinking, smoking, and he is working out and playing tennis alot.



Matthew, nothing wrong with Whitesnake buddy,.,, theyve had many solid songs,,,, besides Coverdale, they had 2 other amazing
musicians playing with them , Steve Vai and Marco Mendoza.....
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:56 am

guitar playing is subjectional,, classical , jazz, rock , metal ,, all have their heroes..

Segovia , i gaurantee, would hate everyone mentioned on this thread, he is the master guitar player of the 20th century, UNTOUCHABLE classical acoustic! . ..but i would bet big money that he never plugged into a 100 watt marshall stack with a les paul custom and played with a band.. and felt the amp volume and the back of his leg..

if you want to hear the greatness of Neal Schon , this last tour,, listen to a boot of Still They Ride... if your driving in your car be careful!! :wink:
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Postby Socratic Methodist » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:05 am

larryfromnextdoor wrote:guitar playing is subjectional,, classical , jazz, rock , metal ,, all have their heroes..

Segovia , i gaurantee, would hate everyone mentioned on this thread, he is the master guitar player of the 20th century, UNTOUCHABLE classical acoustic! . ..but i would bet big money that he never plugged into a 100 watt marshall stack with a les paul custom and played with a band.. and felt the amp volume and the back of his leg..

if you want to hear the greatness of Neal Schon , this last tour,, listen to a boot of Still They Ride... if your driving in your car be careful!! :wink:


I doubt Segovia would hate Al Dimeola.......
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:35 am

I think Neal's absolute best work was on Abraxas Pool, Trial By Fire, and Hardline. That outshines anything Malmsteed did, ever.
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Postby Socratic Methodist » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:44 am

Naughtius Maximus wrote:I think Neal's absolute best work was on Abraxas Pool, Trial By Fire, and Hardline. That outshines anything Malmsteed did, ever.



Don't forget Beyond the Thunder. Some of his most MATURE stuff, ever....IMHO
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Postby mikemarrs » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:48 am

i like the first aldo nova release best.had it on lp.my favorites on it are fantasy,hot love and under the gun.
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Postby G.I.Jim » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:48 am

Andrew wrote:Recent events aside, you can't falt Neal's playing. he's up there with the very best ever and doesn't get some of the accolades that Van Halen and Lukather get.


I agree with you 100%!!! I've seen him live 5 times with Journey, and one time with Hardline and I've NEVER heard him hit a bad note! A lot of the great guitarists out there sound great on the album, but play totally different riffs live. Sometimes they do it to change things up a bit, but it's usually because they don't remember what the hell they played on the cd! I'm amazed that this man (who's been playing longer than I've been alive) can get up there time after time, and bust out those solos that close to the original recordings! Regardless of what you think of him personally, nobody can take away the kick-ass tunes and riffs he's given us over the years!!! JMHO.
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Postby MartyMoffatt » Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:50 am

JR (Susie) wrote:
Matthew wrote:I've got a few Toto albums - and I can hand on heart say that I don't think there's a single memorable guitar solo on any of them.


Seen them live?

I need to upload my videos from the show I was at. I'm pretty sure I caught Luke's solo. It was fucking amazing. For the record, I'm the person who often gets bored when all the players do their solos.


I have. Three times in the past six months, in concert and at a festival, and I have to agree with earlier posters. Luke is a fine guitarist but his solos are not that memorable IMO. That's partly probably because he improvises more but it then tends to ramble and get messy. Neal's solos on the other hand (with the exception of his 'national anthem' indulgences) tend to stick within the confines of the song and thus are more identifiable with the song.

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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:01 am

Socratic Methodist wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:guitar playing is subjectional,, classical , jazz, rock , metal ,, all have their heroes..

Segovia , i gaurantee, would hate everyone mentioned on this thread, he is the master guitar player of the 20th century, UNTOUCHABLE classical acoustic! . ..but i would bet big money that he never plugged into a 100 watt marshall stack with a les paul custom and played with a band.. and felt the amp volume and the back of his leg..

if you want to hear the greatness of Neal Schon , this last tour,, listen to a boot of Still They Ride... if your driving in your car be careful!! :wink:


I doubt Segovia would hate Al Dimeola.......


yep,, you have the exception,, mediteranian sundance is a complete work of art..
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