Will the casual Journey fan accept Arnel?

[ArnelRox]

Regular beer is gross and causes hangovers.

WTF? I rarely get hangovers unless I start mixing drinks (like Margaritas, Wine, Port, Beer & Martinis -- that kills me). But seriously Dan, saying regular beer is "gross" & these wimpy-ass light things are "excellent", well I just lost all respect for u as a drinker. Ur insulting good beer!

[ArnelRox]

Coors Light has as much alcohol as most "regular" beers. I can drink the heavier stuff and still compete with the beer snobs. I prefer my 34 inch waist though at age 39.

I'll be a beer snob, keep drinking good beer & hold onto my 21 inch waist at age 42.

[ArnelRox]

Though I'd agree that Arnel's voice is superior to JSS, if he doesn't have any showmanship or frontman energy, it won't amount to anything. Well, at least not to me. He'd better, at least, have Augeri's level.

I was never a big fan of Augeri on stage mainly b/c I didnt care for his wiggle. IMHO Arnel is a lot more exciting than that to watch.

Well, to be fair, I can't exactly say that you're an objective source. Arnel's got the voice, but everyone is correct when they say that there is more to it than that. Likewise, stage acrobatics and sprinting doesn't make one a good frontman, either. It's audience connection; Perry had it, Augeri managed it, and so did Soto.

Sure there's more to it. Do some research & u will find out Arnel has it too.

[strangegrey]

Though I'd agree that Arnel's voice is superior to JSS, if he doesn't have any showmanship or frontman energy, it won't amount to anything. Well, at least not to me. He'd better, at least, have Augeri's level.

I was never a big fan of Augeri on stage mainly b/c I didnt care for his wiggle. IMHO Arnel is a lot more exciting than that to watch.

More exciting to watch than what? Watching paint dry? At least Augeri friggin wiggled. JSS moved around. I haven't seen one youtube (the assinine medium, it seems, for evaluating singers these days ) where Arnel moves his feet....or takes his eyes off of the music stand (where he most likely has his lyric sheets).

Has Journey considered this one aparent issue that Arnel seems to have trouble remembering lyrics, as evidenced by the ever present music stand next to him when he performs?

Are they going to pull an ozzy and get out the teleprompters all over the stage?

And if so, are they going to spell the lyrics out phonetically?

[ArnelRox]

I haven't seen one youtube (the assinine medium, it seems, for evaluating singers these days ) where Arnel moves his feet....or takes his eyes off of the music stand (where he most likely has his lyric sheets).

Guess u havent looked very hard. Not that u will watch these, but here u go:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVJ6VjBJQyM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrwKZv7LBMw

That's just 2. I could give u more. Do his feet move?

Frank, use some common sense. U used to be a performer right? Look at the size of the stages he's on. They're no bigger than my dining room table.

Has Journey considered this one aparent issue that Arnel seems to have trouble remembering lyrics, as evidenced by the ever present music stand next to him when he performs?

Frank I know ur not a stupid man so cut this shit out. Arnel sings requests in those YouTube videos. If he knows a bit of a song, he's willing to sing it just to make his audience happy. He looks at the stand if he has never done the song before. Like this one for instance:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EwjhZmWvy5o

At the beginning, he keeps saying he doesnt know the song. Then he gets the lyrics & sings it & it's totally awesome. I cant even imagine singing a song I didn't know & coming anywhere close to that.

And if so, are they going to spell the lyrics out phonetically?

Come on Frank, this one is really tired. Arnel can speak & write English as well as u can. Maybe u really dont know that about Arnel so I'll give u the benefit of the doubt on this. But now u know.

[AR]

Arnel sings requests in those YouTube videos. If he knows a bit of a song, he's willing to sing it just to make his audience happy.

Well he can rest easy while he sings the same 12 over & over from now on.

Meanwhile Frontiers will do about 25 a night and stuff you haven't heard performed live in years. If I need a journey fix, they are the ones I will go see.

[ArnelRox]

Well he can rest easy while he sings the same 12 over & over from now on.

Meanwhile Frontiers will do about 25 a night and stuff you haven't heard performed live in years. If I need a journey fix, they are the ones I will go see.

Hey, that's ur honest opinion & I always appreciate that.

I'm hoping to hear Arnel do old old Perry stuff & do it well.

[bluejeangirl76]

Bud Light and Coors Light are excellent beers.

I like you, man, but we'd need a separate stash if we were hangin' out. Bud Light is absolute piss.
Not worse than regular Budweiser but close. I learned to tolerate Coors Light but only because I had to.

At least you didn't say Old Style.

[strangegrey]

At the beginning, he keeps saying he doesnt know the song. Then he gets the lyrics & sings it & it's totally awesome. I cant even imagine singing a song I didn't know & coming anywhere close to that.

Yes, I used to be a performer...and the size of the stage DOESN'T matter. Your ability to coax the audience into the palm of your hands is not dependant on the size of your performance area. DLR would make the local town bar look like MSG with ease. The guy doesn't have it. You may think so...I dont.

When it comes time for Journey to establish a proving ground for Arnie, we'll know.


As far as the music stand...that shit's a problem. I fired a singer from a band that wouldn't stop relying on fucking stand like that....we used to call it the '6th member'....i.e. 6th member of the group. It was distracting and UNPROFESSIONAL.


As far as the teleprompter and the pronunciation issue....sorry, I dont think he sings english well. Not at all...we'll all know when Journey parades him out. I've got big money on him falling flat on his ass. And....even bigger money on the egg timer one will need to record the amount of time it takes for Journey to put him in a shipping crate back to SE asia....

[Panther]

I had about 12-15 Bud Lights and 10-12 shots of Sky Vodka. That stuff is absolute shit.

Bud Light? Wimpy beer. I'd drink u under the table & I wouldn't even have to come here trashing Perry in the process

Regular beer is gross and causes hangovers. In the end, I consume twice as much but get the proper water in the process so as to not have a pounding headache the next day. If I were drink regular beer I'd put myself in a coma. Bud Light and Coors Light are excellent beers. The only thing you'd be doing "under the table" is...nevermind.

Coors Light has as much alcohol as most "regular" beers. I can drink the heavier stuff and still compete with the beer snobs. I prefer my 34 inch waist though at age 39.

Dayum.... I'm a Miller gal, preferably the original or MGD (lite is for the non-drinker, imnsho). The only thing that's ever given me a hangover was champagne (never touched the stuff again). Our two main venues here in town for music ONLY sell Bud and Coors incarnation (along with all those sissyfied wanna be drinks), so I'm stuck with tripling the shots at the bar. Ah, and my waist doesn't suffer the.... larger problem.

[ArnelRox]

Yes, I used to be a performer...and the size of the stage DOESN'T matter. Your ability to coax the audience into the palm of your hands is not dependant on the size of your performance area.

See I think ur looking at him w/already prejudiced eyes. He has a LOT of fans that go back a long way who would tell u he can coax any audience into the palm of his hands.

As far as the music stand...that shit's a problem. I fired a singer from a band that wouldn't stop relying on fucking stand like that....we used to call it the '6th member'....i.e. 6th member of the group. It was distracting and UNPROFESSIONAL.

Yeah but again, ur exaggerating. Arnel only used it when he's singing requests, songs he didn't know. Look at a few more YouTubes. He used it at the Hard Rock & there's a whole bunch of videos from there shot in 2006. That was about 3 weeks after that band started performing together. Then look at the performances from Brad's Bistro or Bagaberde from later in 2006 & 2007. He's not looking at the music stand there.

I filled in last minute w/a band last yr for a few gigs to help some friends out. We were getting requests thrown at us & I didnt know all the lyrics. U better believe I was looking at a music stand.

I dont think he sings english well.

U mean in the past? Or right now?

[bluejeangirl76]

As far as the teleprompter and the pronunciation issue....sorry, I dont think he sings english well. Not at all...we'll all know when Journey parades him out. I've got big money on him falling flat on his ass. And....even bigger money on the egg timer one will need to record the amount of time it takes for Journey to put him in a shipping crate back to SE asia....

Don't paint Journey out as monsters. You know they will put some holes in the crate for air.

As far as moving his feet... yes - he does. Sometimes. But never or at least rarely at the same time as he's singing. He's too busy clutching that mic with both hands like he's afraid it's going to be ripped away any minute. Or maybe that's just practice for being in the same room with Neal and Jon and having to guard that mic with his life, knowing they've mugged 3 singers already, I don't know. In any case, it's a little unnerving to watch. It's not your dick man, release the death grip on that thing and explore the space a little.

[Panther]

>>>Guess u havent looked very hard. Not that u will watch these, but here u go:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVJ6VjBJQyM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrwKZv7LBMw

That's just 2. I could give u more. Do his feet move? <<<ArnelRox

I have what may be a dumbass question. What is up with these Asian venues and everyone just sitting there like they are at the opera or something? WTF??? Do they EVER get up off their bums and really jam? I've not seen one Journey vid or any of Arnel's wherein it is an actual "concert" as we here in the states (and apparently everywhere else in the world) know them.

[bluejeangirl76]

I have what may be a dumbass question. What is up with these Asian venues and everyone just sitting there like they are at the opera or something? WTF??? Do they EVER get up off their bums and really jam? I've not seen one Journey vid or any of Arnel's wherein it is an actual "concert" as we here in the states (and apparently everywhere else in the world) know them.

Asian audiences are much more laid back about it. I'm not real sure why, and I could be wrong here, but I was once told that they're more about hanging back and listening - respecting the performers by giving the their total attention - something like that.

[strangegrey]

Yes, I used to be a performer...and the size of the stage DOESN'T matter. Your ability to coax the audience into the palm of your hands is not dependant on the size of your performance area.

See I think ur looking at him w/already prejudiced eyes. He has a LOT of fans that go back a long way who would tell u he can coax any audience into the palm of his hands.

First...please refrain form implying any motivation here based on race with your word 'prejudice.' I don't think that's what you're driving at, but lets get that out of the way before a war starts.

Second, he has zero stage charisma. If you're going to submit "Are You Going To Go My Way" as evidence of stage presence, I'll submit that you're the one that's got colored eyesight here. The awful be-bop dance the guy is doing, along with the silly sissor kick is proof positive that he doesn't have it. I'm sorry, it's the truth. He doesn't have stage presence...he never interacts with the audience on any meaningful level. It's just a case of a singer that doesn't grab the audience by the jugular and demand their attention. If Journey is going to go down in flames like this, they need someone who's going to give them a fighting chance. Not someone that's going to help widen the hole in the bow.

As far as the stand....is the Zoo his band or is he just filling in? Answer me that!!! Because last I checked, he was the listed singer. If that is indeed the case, the stand shouldn't be there....it's unprofessional and an indicator that he isn't remembering something. Whatever that something is...is yet another item in a long list supporting the "WTF is Journey thinking?" pov.

[donnaplease]

I think those people would not pay the money for a 'big name' concert ticket unless Journey was attached to someone such as Def Leppard, who still has the original singer in place.

Sure they would & they do, all the time. Just like many of them are going to see Foreigner next month even tho they don't have their original singer & the band only consists of one original member.

U guys can make this excuse all u want but ur still not convincing the casual fan who doesnt even read here.

Arnel will not get the same reaction that Jeff got, IMO. He doesn't have the stage presence to wow the crowd. He just doesn't. It's not about ethnicity, or language, or looks, or voice. It's about the total sum of those things, though, and unfortunately, Arnel is lacking. I just happen to believe he will not be accepted as a frontman for Journey. The WOW factor just insn't there for this gig. And I'm sorry to say that I believe when Friga & the Fro come to finally realize this, Arnel will be thrown away like a dirty diaper. JMO.

Yeah it is just UR opinion, oh & about 15 of ur very prolific friends who post here also (& no doubt they'll all arrive to back u up any second now). The simple fact of the matter is u have never seen Arnel perform anywhere except YouTube so u don't know anything about his stage presence, nothing. As for WOW factor, he's got a ton of that going on but u can't take off the blinders to see it. He has it in his voice, his looks, & his ability to drive his audience nuts (btw, that's stage presence). No he doesn't bang his chest, grab his groin, or sway his hips in the captivating way that Jeff does. He doesn't stomp like Perry. He has his own unique style of moving & dancing that is also very captivating & it's not ripped off from anyone. But u don't know that b/c all u & ur friends can do is mock him & throw out things u don't even know about. The bottom line is: ur friend didn't get the job so ur bitter. That's all that's to it. If u think all ur protestations putting Arnel down fool anyone, think again. Ur completely transparent.

Why don't u try raising ur friend up instead of putting Arnel down? Some positive energy might go a long way. All that negativity will surely cause u to age prematurely.

Well now, ArnelSux, you need to make up ur fucking mind. Exactly why is it that you tell everyone to watch the YouTube videos when you are trying to convince people how great this dude is, but after people have watched them and conclude that they don't like them for whatever reason, your only comeback is that the YouTubes aren't a good indicator of exactly how good he is? Doesn't make sense. You have become a joke.

You keep eluding to how much you know... why not tell us exactly HOW you know so much? I asked that before, and you conveniently failed to answer. So, come on, out with it... It's got to be more than the "he touches my soul" bullshit you're spewing.

I wasn't putting Arnel down. I was clearly stating my opinion that he doesn't have what it takes to get the job done. Perhaps YOU are the one with the blinders on, Mrs. Fyre. Oh, and BTW, don't worry about me aging prematurely. Sounds like you need to worry about yourself. Perhaps you should be focusing on what really matters...

[ArnelRox]

I have what may be a dumbass question. What is up with these Asian venues and everyone just sitting there like they are at the opera or something? WTF??? Do they EVER get up off their bums and really jam? I've not seen one Journey vid or any of Arnel's wherein it is an actual "concert" as we here in the states (and apparently everywhere else in the world) know them.

Asian audiences are much more laid back about it. I'm not real sure why, and I could be wrong here, but I was once told that they're more about hanging back and listening - respecting the performers by giving the their total attention - something like that.

That's exactly right. After I got my hands on some Perry in Japan videos & saw all these people just sitting there, bobbing their heads, I asked some Asian friends about this. They said it's considered disrespectful of the artist to get up & act like idiots which they think us Americans do at concerts. I was like WTF. I wonder if Perry hated it. He really toned it down in Asia & basically just stood there (kinda like, dare I say it, Arnel ). Like this one for example:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6JE0qL-28mY

Not Perry's usual frantic energy at all.

[ArnelRox]

First...please refrain form implying any motivation here based on race with your word 'prejudice.' I don't think that's what you're driving at, but lets get that out of the way before a war starts.

Absolutely no, my use of prejudice was not racially charged in any way & I resent u trying to imply that. I meant prejudiced against Arnel as in having preconceived notions.

The awful be-bop dance the guy is doing, along with the silly sissor kick is proof positive that he doesn't have it. I'm sorry, it's the truth.

To each his own. I like the way he dances.

he never interacts with the audience on any meaningful level. It's just a case of a singer that doesn't grab the audience by the jugular and demand their attention.

That's ur opinion & I really do think it's prejudiced (not racially). I just think u made up ur mind not to like Arnel before u ever saw him or heard him. His audiences really do feel he connects w/them.

As far as the stand....is the Zoo his band or is he just filling in? Answer me that!!! Because last I checked, he was the listed singer. If that is indeed the case, the stand shouldn't be there....it's unprofessional and an indicator that he isn't remembering something.

He's the lead singer, but that band was only started in 2006, right around the time of the Hard Rock videos on YouTube.

Let me ask u this altho I doubt u will answer honestly. U start a new band in a country where they expect u to cover everyone under the sun from the 70s to the 2000s. U take requests as is the norm in this country. If u haven't sang something in 15 yrs, do u still remember the words? Maybe yes, maybe no. Do u refuse to do the song? I guess some performers would. Arnel likes to please his audiences so he sings it & that means looking up the worlds sometimes. BFD!

[ArnelRox]

Nevermind it's not worth it. Ur right Donna, I'm a joke. U win. Happy?

[bluejeangirl76]

He really toned it down in Asia & basically just stood there (kinda like, dare I say it, Arnel ). Like this one for example:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6JE0qL-28mY

Not Perry's usual frantic energy at all.

That wasn't just in Asia - that was because it's a ballad. Look at the previous tours - almost any performance of Lights, Stay Awhile... look at Open Arms and Mother Father on the '81 dvd - stays in one place, mostly, and belts it out. That's his ballad behavior, not necessarily Asia behavior.

Same concert... Keep On Running http://youtube.com/watch?v=SeStk-GvUMU&feature=related

Same concert.... Any Way You Want It http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9BlG0A3wI

[AR]

Asian crowd - going nuts. 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7GfHFsu ... re=related

They know how to rock like anyone else - maybe better. Although the European crowds seem to be the wildest.

[ArnelRox]

That wasn't just in Asia - that was because it's a ballad. Look at the previous tours - almost any performance of Lights, Stay Awhile... look at Open Arms and Mother Father on the '81 dvd - stays in one place, mostly, and belts it out. That's his ballad behavior, not necessarily Asia behavior.

Same concert... Keep On Running http://youtube.com/watch?v=SeStk-GvUMU&feature=related

Same concert.... Any Way You Want It http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9BlG0A3wI

They're still tame for Perry dont u think? Kills me to see the audience sitting down. Get up people! Ugh.

I wonder what Smitty was saying in KOR when the camera zooms on him?

[ArnelRox]

Asian crowd - going nuts. 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7GfHFsu ... re=related

They know how to rock like anyone else - maybe better. Although the European crowds seem to be the wildest.

I guess now we know. It takes guys in make up to get therm out of their seats. Ok then

[AR]

Asian crowd - going nuts. 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7GfHFsu ... re=related

They know how to rock like anyone else - maybe better. Although the European crowds seem to be the wildest.

I guess now we know. It takes guys in make up to get therm out of their seats. Ok then

Maybe so.

The Japanese crowds have changed though. I have bootlegs from the 70's where they remain seated and applaud only after the song has ended.

[ArnelRox]

Asian crowd - going nuts. 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7GfHFsu ... re=related

They know how to rock like anyone else - maybe better. Although the European crowds seem to be the wildest.

I guess now we know. It takes guys in make up to get therm out of their seats. Ok then

Maybe so.

The Japanese crowds have changed though. I have bootlegs from the 70's where they remain seated and applaud only after the song has ended.

I know ur a huge KISS fan & also the king of boots. Do they now respond this way to other bands as well?

[AR]

Asian crowd - going nuts. 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7GfHFsu ... re=related

They know how to rock like anyone else - maybe better. Although the European crowds seem to be the wildest.

I guess now we know. It takes guys in make up to get therm out of their seats. Ok then

Maybe so.

The Japanese crowds have changed though. I have bootlegs from the 70's where they remain seated and applaud only after the song has ended.

I know ur a huge KISS fan & also the king of boots. Do they now respond this way to other bands as well?

The crowds have changed for certain in Japan. It's not just with Kiss, although they certainly garner a great response. I've noticed it with most rock bands in Japan. The transformation seems to have started sometime in the 80's. The 70's crowds at Buddokan were always seated. I'm certainly no authority though and am only judging by what is on video.

[Rick]

Asian crowd - going nuts. 2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7GfHFsu ... re=related

They know how to rock like anyone else - maybe better. Although the European crowds seem to be the wildest.

I guess now we know. It takes guys in make up to get therm out of their seats. Ok then

Maybe so.

The Japanese crowds have changed though. I have bootlegs from the 70's where they remain seated and applaud only after the song has ended.

I know ur a huge KISS fan & also the king of boots. Do they now respond this way to other bands as well?

The crowds have changed for certain in Japan. It's not just with Kiss, although they certainly garner a great response. I've noticed it with most rock bands in Japan. The transformation seems to have started sometime in the 80's. The 70's crowds at Buddokan were always seated. I'm certainly no authority though and am only judging by what is on video.

I agree. They used to look like they were at a graduation or something, now they're insane like us. Much better.

[Soto All The Way]

He won't be able to introduce the songs. Cain will have to do more taking. All Arnel will say is "Okeee this is Journey" like on the youtube clips.

Ur so wrong about this. But u will find out that when Arnel takes the stage.

The mother fucker can barely speak english with his heavy accent...I can't understand him in the You Tubes.....I just can't even stand the fact that we are discussing the fact that Journey may hire this idiot.....What a crime!!!!!! It's aflat out right crime to even the common Journey fan....U don't think they will notice some little phillipinian up there running around instead of a quality well known singer.....What a joke.

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[Soto All The Way]

>>>Guess u havent looked very hard. Not that u will watch these, but here u go:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVJ6VjBJQyM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QrwKZv7LBMw

That's just 2. I could give u more. Do his feet move? <<<ArnelRox

I have what may be a dumbass question. What is up with these Asian venues and everyone just sitting there like they are at the opera or something? WTF??? Do they EVER get up off their bums and really jam? I've not seen one Journey vid or any of Arnel's wherein it is an actual "concert" as we here in the states (and apparently everywhere else in the world) know them.

He looks like a fucking moron jumping around like DLR.......What a dumbass......

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[ArnelRox]

The mother fucker can barely speak english with his heavy accent...I can't understand him in the You Tubes.....I just can't even stand the fact that we are discussing the fact that Journey may hire this idiot.....What a crime!!!!!! It's aflat out right crime to even the common Journey fan....U don't think they will notice some little phillipinian up there running around instead of a quality well known singer.....What a joke.

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What excellent command of the English language u have. Now I totally understand where ur coming from. Arnel couldnt possibly speak ur brand of English.

Journey has a long history of hiring quality well known singers, don't they. Well Rolie was well known before Journey. Were Fleischman, Perry, Augeri or Soto well known before Journey? Think about it.