Robert Plant Gets It

[Ehwmatt]

I would love to see them tour over here, as I wont be seeing Journey. Jimmy Page kicks Neals ass anyway. He has grey hair and doesent use botox ,but he is a much more creative guitar player then Neal ,more technics,and different styles in his playing.I thought they sounded great

I love Zeppelin but Page better than Schon? Come on... more technique? You're dreaming.

[ohsherrie]

I didn't see it either, just the clip of the phone call. If that shit wasn't planned out, I'll give it up for Neal. You gotta love the attempt though - they just happened to have that picture ON HAND and then there's old GW going "I just wanna tell ma' baby that I luv'er..." Whatever dude. Doesn't distract me from your shenannigans.

Yeah and besides that, even though mom, apple pie, and family values are all well and good, somehow I don't take comfort in the fact that during times like these in this country she can just pick up the phone and call and talk to her daddy anytime she wants to and he'll just drop everything on the spot to tell his little girl he loves her. As if.

[RedWingFan]

Have you noticed that they've been parading Laura and Jenna out quite a bit lately? I guess they're hoping to do a little damage control for the party or something. W is too far gone for them to help his image at all.

Like Jenna's appearance on Ellen when she made that "spontaneous" *wink wink* *nudge nudge* on-air phone call to GWB?

Yeah, that wasn't rigged up, no! They had a pic of the Decider holding his two newborn daughters...If you look closely, you can see the coke residue above his lip.

Oh, yeah. I heard they had voting booths set up right outside Ellen's studio.
The democrats would never think of staging spontaneous acts or planting questioners during democrat AND republican debates with the help of the Clinton News Network. Please!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/7085.html
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... 29002/1001
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/29/di ... supporter/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313681,00.html
http://media.newsbusters.org/stories/sc ... lary-campa

[RedWingFan]

I didn't see it either, just the clip of the phone call. If that shit wasn't planned out, I'll give it up for Neal. You gotta love the attempt though - they just happened to have that picture ON HAND and then there's old GW going "I just wanna tell ma' baby that I luv'er..." Whatever dude. Doesn't distract me from your shenannigans.

Yeah and besides that, even though mom, apple pie, and family values are all well and good, somehow I don't take comfort in the fact that during times like these in this country she can just pick up the phone and call and talk to her daddy anytime she wants to and he'll just drop everything on the spot to tell his little girl he loves her. As if.

But dropping everything for a fat intern and a cigar is upstanding and okay? I'll take Bush's "family values" over that embarrassment that preceded him anyday.

[bluejeangirl76]

I didn't see it either, just the clip of the phone call. If that shit wasn't planned out, I'll give it up for Neal. You gotta love the attempt though - they just happened to have that picture ON HAND and then there's old GW going "I just wanna tell ma' baby that I luv'er..." Whatever dude. Doesn't distract me from your shenannigans.

Yeah and besides that, even though mom, apple pie, and family values are all well and good, somehow I don't take comfort in the fact that during times like these in this country she can just pick up the phone and call and talk to her daddy anytime she wants to and he'll just drop everything on the spot to tell his little girl he loves her. As if.

But dropping everything for a fat intern and a cigar is upstanding and okay? I'll take Bush's "family values" over that embarrassment that preceded him anyday.

Maybe so. He wasn't busy warring with everyone in his path though. And certainly wasn't busy with running a country into the ground. ALTHOUGH, to GWB's credit, he's already accomplished the latter very quickly and with flying colors, so hey, if he wants to take a break to say hi to his daughter (yanno, as long as she's got a free minute between DUIs and all), then hey, why not!

[RedWingFan]

I didn't see it either, just the clip of the phone call. If that shit wasn't planned out, I'll give it up for Neal. You gotta love the attempt though - they just happened to have that picture ON HAND and then there's old GW going "I just wanna tell ma' baby that I luv'er..." Whatever dude. Doesn't distract me from your shenannigans.

Yeah and besides that, even though mom, apple pie, and family values are all well and good, somehow I don't take comfort in the fact that during times like these in this country she can just pick up the phone and call and talk to her daddy anytime she wants to and he'll just drop everything on the spot to tell his little girl he loves her. As if.

But dropping everything for a fat intern and a cigar is upstanding and okay? I'll take Bush's "family values" over that embarrassment that preceded him anyday.

Maybe so. He wasn't busy warring with everyone in his path though. And certainly wasn't busy with running a country into the ground. ALTHOUGH, to GWB's credit, he's already accomplished the latter very quickly and with flying colors, so hey, if he wants to take a break to say hi to his daughter (yanno, as long as she's got a free minute between DUIs and all), then hey, why not!

Bush got a DUI during his term? I missed that. Has he been falling around sloppy drunk around the oval office? Missed that too.

[RedWingFan]

Maybe so. He wasn't busy warring with everyone in his path though.

You're right. When Al-Qaeda hit the WTC in '93 he hit back with subpoena's. Good thing he didn't keep "busy warring."

[CatEyes]

Love the holiday Av. Ho Ho Ho

Are you calling Deano a "ho"

Cat

[ohsherrie]

Hey BJG, you're wasting you intelligence on RF. He'd rather have Bush taking money out of his pocket while sinking this country deeper in debt and spending all of our money on his war, the pentagon money grab and subsidising the oil companies and the corporations that moved our jobs out of the country than have the money used for health care and education.

What does that tell you about your chances of reasoning with him.

[Rick]

Hey BJG, you're wasting you intelligence on RF. He'd rather have Bush taking money out of his pocket while sinking this country deeper in debt and spending all of our money on his war, the pentagon money grab and subsidising the oil companies and the corporations that moved our jobs out of the country than have the money used for health care and education.

What does that tell you about your chances of reasoning with him.

He and I don't see eye to eye politically either. Hard headed fucker is a good dude though.

[RedWingFan]

Hey BJG, you're wasting you intelligence on RF. He'd rather have Bush taking money out of his pocket while sinking this country deeper in debt

Uh, no she's not. I've stated here plenty of times how wrong Bush is by spending like a democrat. Only good thing about it is that he spured growth by getting the tax cut he promised passed. Which did produce the highest gov't revenue in history if I'm not mistaken. You being the objective one can't find one good thing Bush has done.

and spending all of our money on his war

All our money? Hardly! Socialist domestic programs and other tax dollars wasted squandered and lost which happens every day dwarfs what's being spent on the war. War and the defense of this country which is actually is a responsibility of the federal gov't.

the pentagon money grab and subsidising the oil companies and the corporations that moved our jobs out of the country

I credit Bush for resisting the urge to execute a gov't overthrow and seizure of private oil companies or manufacturers.

than have the money used for health care and education.

Again, these costs are sucking tax dollars also. The war on terror may actually be showing signs of improvement, unlike test scores in failed gov't education.

[bluejeangirl76]

I didn't see it either, just the clip of the phone call. If that shit wasn't planned out, I'll give it up for Neal. You gotta love the attempt though - they just happened to have that picture ON HAND and then there's old GW going "I just wanna tell ma' baby that I luv'er..." Whatever dude. Doesn't distract me from your shenannigans.

Yeah and besides that, even though mom, apple pie, and family values are all well and good, somehow I don't take comfort in the fact that during times like these in this country she can just pick up the phone and call and talk to her daddy anytime she wants to and he'll just drop everything on the spot to tell his little girl he loves her. As if.

But dropping everything for a fat intern and a cigar is upstanding and okay? I'll take Bush's "family values" over that embarrassment that preceded him anyday.

Maybe so. He wasn't busy warring with everyone in his path though. And certainly wasn't busy with running a country into the ground. ALTHOUGH, to GWB's credit, he's already accomplished the latter very quickly and with flying colors, so hey, if he wants to take a break to say hi to his daughter (yanno, as long as she's got a free minute between DUIs and all), then hey, why not!

Bush got a DUI during his term? I missed that. Has he been falling around sloppy drunk around the oval office? Missed that too.

I said SHE... as long as SHE had a free minute between DUIs. Meaning that classy little daughter of his.
Clearly that apple didn't fall far from the tree.
P.S. what's the difference whether he fucked up during his term or before it? A spade is still a spade.
I never said Clinton was perfect, but comparing the Bushes with him is like comparing a Jonathan with a Red Delicious.

And you're right sherrie. I give up. I'm breaking my own rule of not getting into topics like politics and religion anyway. All those things do is breed hostility.

You know, I once had a FAMILY MEMBER remove a political bumper sticker from MY car because said car was parked by their house and they didn't agree with the candidate on my sticker, and I can only assume they didn't want people to think THEY supposrted that candidate. FAMILY. And when called out on it, totally IGNORED it as if I hadn't said a word. Can you believe that? This is what politics does to people.

[RedWingFan]

Hey BJG, you're wasting you intelligence on RF. He'd rather have Bush taking money out of his pocket while sinking this country deeper in debt and spending all of our money on his war, the pentagon money grab and subsidising the oil companies and the corporations that moved our jobs out of the country than have the money used for health care and education.

What does that tell you about your chances of reasoning with him.

He and I don't see eye to eye politically either. Hard headed fucker is a good dude though.

What a coincidence Rick. I find you hard headed, and a good dude too!

[stevew2]

Just my opinion, Both are good, alot of Neals playing sounds the same.He uses alot of the same riffs on different songs. Who is more well known?

I would love to see them tour over here, as I wont be seeing Journey. Jimmy Page kicks Neals ass anyway. He has grey hair and doesent use botox ,but he is a much more creative guitar player then Neal ,more technics,and different styles in his playing.I thought they sounded great

I love Zeppelin but Page better than Schon? Come on... more technique? You're dreaming.

[RedWingFan]

Bush got a DUI during his term? I missed that. Has he been falling around sloppy drunk around the oval office? Missed that too.

I said SHE... as long as SHE had a free minute between DUIs.

Oh, my bad BJG. Must have misread it.

P.S. what's the difference whether he fucked up during his term or before it? A spade is still a spade.

Theres a huge difference BJG. Bush had a DUI in what '76? Bush said before he was elected that there were things he wasn't proud of in his past but he'd changed. I'm all for giving someone a second chance.
What Clinton did was deny Gennifer Flowers, get's elected, then abuses his power by doing detestable things with an intern, IN THE OVAL OFFICE. Then precedes to purger himself in front of a grand jury, not to mention the American people. He also allows those within his circle (Albright, Hillary, etc...) to go out there and deny the truth for him. Then after it all hits the fan, the following Sunday he's seen coming out of a church with a Bible in his hand with Hillary and Rev. Jackson. Do you see the difference here?

I never said Clinton was perfect, but comparing the Bushes with him is like comparing a Jonathan with a Red Delicious.

I agree, with reasons stated above.

[bluejeangirl76]

What Clinton did was deny Gennifer Flowers, get's elected, then abuses his power by doing detestable things with an intern, IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

True. But Clinton's blowjob isn't what made me have to pay $3.40 at the pump this morning.
Granted, what Clinton did was not great, but it didn't effect the US economy or foreign affairs.

[ohsherrie]

See what I mean BJG? He's hopeless, but yes, he really is a decent guy. And yes RF, I mean that. Even a stiff necked conservative can be a decent person.

[RedWingFan]

What Clinton did was deny Gennifer Flowers, get's elected, then abuses his power by doing detestable things with an intern, IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

True. But Clinton's blowjob isn't what made me have to pay $3.40 at the pump this morning.
Granted, what Clinton did was not great, but it didn't effect the US economy or foreign affairs.

You're the one that said a spade is a spade right? A minute ago this was about DUI's and such.
Now we're talking about $3.40 a gallon?
Okay, well it's true that Clinton going after terrorists in '93 in court rooms instead of fighting back through war did keep your pocketbook from taking a hit at the pump. Whether you think he did the right thing or not is up to you. After what happened 8 years later, I know what I think.

[ohsherrie]

Hey BJG, pretty soon the lump on your forehead from beating your head against a wall will start to bleed. Just letting you know in advance because I wouldn't want you to ruin your shirt. It can get sort of messy.

[RedWingFan]

Hey BJG, pretty soon the lump on your forehead from beating your head against a wall will start to bleed. Just letting you know in advance because I wouldn't want you to ruin your shirt. It can get sort of messy.

Why would she beat her head against the wall over a simple question?

[scarygirl]

I didn't see it either, just the clip of the phone call. If that shit wasn't planned out, I'll give it up for Neal. You gotta love the attempt though - they just happened to have that picture ON HAND and then there's old GW going "I just wanna tell ma' baby that I luv'er..." Whatever dude. Doesn't distract me from your shenannigans.

Yeah and besides that, even though mom, apple pie, and family values are all well and good, somehow I don't take comfort in the fact that during times like these in this country she can just pick up the phone and call and talk to her daddy anytime she wants to and he'll just drop everything on the spot to tell his little girl he loves her. As if.

But dropping everything for a fat intern and a cigar is upstanding and okay? I'll take Bush's "family values" over that embarrassment that preceded him anyday.

Maybe so. He wasn't busy warring with everyone in his path though. And certainly wasn't busy with running a country into the ground. ALTHOUGH, to GWB's credit, he's already accomplished the latter very quickly and with flying colors, so hey, if he wants to take a break to say hi to his daughter (yanno, as long as she's got a free minute between DUIs and all), then hey, why not!

I believe it's the Democrats who want Nationalized health care and some $500 per child savings credit. Exactly why should we do this? Out of whose pockets is that coming from? Money doesn't rise out of thin air. If that isn't running the country into the ground I don't know what is.

The blame can be spread around on both sides.

[X factor]

I wil try gently to steer this back to Dan's original post, and away from yet another tiresome defense of the this or that administration....

SJ I agree with you 110 % - Robert Plant gets it- as does Sting, Rob Halford, and, dear God, David Lee Roth!

Someone mentioned Arnel's pipes and how much better he can sing the songs than Perry now...I say WHO GIVES A FUCK??? I'd rather see Steve Perry at 1/2 speed than some clone at full voice. That said, I've always believed it's Steve's call to make. And I, like SJ, feel that Perry has been a bit of a twat for not giving in to the demands of his fans. Doesn't owe them anything? No..of course not...only the wonderful life he has enjoyed lo these last 30 years. THAT'S all...

...before you gt out the torches, this is only my humble opinion... so Merry Xmas and bless the troops. In fact, I can think of no better blessing than to send them home! (sorry, couldn't resist!)

[bluejeangirl76]

What Clinton did was deny Gennifer Flowers, get's elected, then abuses his power by doing detestable things with an intern, IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

True. But Clinton's blowjob isn't what made me have to pay $3.40 at the pump this morning.
Granted, what Clinton did was not great, but it didn't effect the US economy or foreign affairs.

You're the one that said a spade is a spade right? A minute ago this was about DUI's and such.
Now we're talking about $3.40 a gallon?

As to the DUI remark, I was merely taking a shot back at the morality issue, nothing more nothing less. If we're gonna toss up Clinton's moral errors then the Bushes are fair game too. And the $3.40 a gallon comment meant that Clinton's in-office mistakes i.e. screwing an intern in his office haven't effected the USA the same way as Bush's in-office mistakes. Excuse me... to be fair and not speak for the whole or claim it as fact, I'll rephrase - the same way as what some people view as Bush's in-office mistakes.

And sherrie, I'm not beating my head against anything. (well, yet...lol!) I may not agree with RF on some of these things, but I respect him for making his point in a respectful manner, not a holier than thou tirade where he practically damns others to hell for thinking something else, as tends to happen on the rare occasion around here.

At the very least it makes for interesting debate.

[scarygirl]

What Clinton did was deny Gennifer Flowers, get's elected, then abuses his power by doing detestable things with an intern, IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

True. But Clinton's blowjob isn't what made me have to pay $3.40 at the pump this morning.
Granted, what Clinton did was not great, but it didn't effect the US economy or foreign affairs.

You're the one that said a spade is a spade right? A minute ago this was about DUI's and such.
Now we're talking about $3.40 a gallon?

As to the DUI remark, I was merely taking a shot back at the morality issue, nothing more nothing less. If we're gonna toss up Clinton's moral errors then the Bushes are fair game too. And the $3.40 a gallon comment meant that Clinton's in-office mistakes i.e. screwing an intern in his office haven't effected the USA the same way as Bush's in-office mistakes. Excuse me... to be fair and not speak for the whole or claim it as fact, I'll rephrase - the same way as what some people view as Bush's in-office mistakes.

And sherrie, I'm not beating my head against anything. (well, yet...lol!) I may not agree with RF on some of these things, but I respect him for making his point in a respectful manner, not a holier than thou tirade where he practically damns others to hell for thinking something else, as tends to happen on the rare occasion around here.

At the very least it makes for interesting debate.

If people speaking their minds as vigorously as others here equates to be holier than thou and on a tirade, then I don't see the point of having free speech much less a message board because we're all going to offend each other by the sheer action of not bending to the other side.

IMO,there are some things we should never bend on because by doing so we jeapordize the welfare of not only others, but eventually ourselves.

[wildone]

What Clinton did was deny Gennifer Flowers, get's elected, then abuses his power by doing detestable things with an intern, IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

True. But Clinton's blowjob isn't what made me have to pay $3.40 at the pump this morning.
Granted, what Clinton did was not great, but it didn't effect the US economy or foreign affairs.

You're the one that said a spade is a spade right? A minute ago this was about DUI's and such.
Now we're talking about $3.40 a gallon?

As to the DUI remark, I was merely taking a shot back at the morality issue, nothing more nothing less. If we're gonna toss up Clinton's moral errors then the Bushes are fair game too. And the $3.40 a gallon comment meant that Clinton's in-office mistakes i.e. screwing an intern in his office haven't effected the USA the same way as Bush's in-office mistakes. Excuse me... to be fair and not speak for the whole or claim it as fact, I'll rephrase - the same way as what some people view as Bush's in-office mistakes.

And sherrie, I'm not beating my head against anything. (well, yet...lol!) I may not agree with RF on some of these things, but I respect him for making his point in a respectful manner, not a holier than thou tirade where he practically damns others to hell for thinking something else, as tends to happen on the rare occasion around here.

At the very least it makes for interesting debate.

If people speaking their minds as vigorously as others here equates to be holier than thou and on a tirade, then I don't see the point of having free speech much less a message board because we're all going to offend each other by the sheer action of not bending to the other side.

IMO,there are some things we should never bend on because by doing so we jeapordize the welfare of not only others, but eventually ourselves.

and maybe we also need to take astep back and re-realize that this place is for getting answers to some music insight...and HAVING FUN!!!People let things get to them that they should laugh at and let roll right off your shoulders.Lighten Up People....Rember this is all about bands and music ...not cancer cures,or world peace,have fun and get over shit

[strangegrey]

What Clinton did was deny Gennifer Flowers, get's elected, then abuses his power by doing detestable things with an intern, IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

True. But Clinton's blowjob isn't what made me have to pay $3.40 at the pump this morning.
Granted, what Clinton did was not great, but it didn't effect the US economy or foreign affairs.

Wow, that's about as clear cut as it gets!

[bluejeangirl76]

As to the DUI remark, I was merely taking a shot back at the morality issue, nothing more nothing less. If we're gonna toss up Clinton's moral errors then the Bushes are fair game too. And the $3.40 a gallon comment meant that Clinton's in-office mistakes i.e. screwing an intern in his office haven't effected the USA the same way as Bush's in-office mistakes. Excuse me... to be fair and not speak for the whole or claim it as fact, I'll rephrase - the same way as what some people view as Bush's in-office mistakes.

And sherrie, I'm not beating my head against anything. (well, yet...lol!) I may not agree with RF on some of these things, but I respect him for making his point in a respectful manner, not a holier than thou tirade where he practically damns others to hell for thinking something else, as tends to happen on the rare occasion around here.

At the very least it makes for interesting debate.

If people speaking their minds as vigorously as others here equates to be holier than thou and on a tirade, then I don't see the point of having free speech much less a message board because we're all going to offend each other by the sheer action of not bending to the other side.

IMO,there are some things we should never bend on because by doing so we jeapordize the welfare of not only others, but eventually ourselves.

Are we really doing this again? You're reading way too much into it. For one thing, I was complimenting the fact that RF was carrying on a discussion in a respectful manner. There are such things as respectful discussions and heated debates and they are quite different from the arguments that go way off the deep end.

I was speaking in a GENERAL manner about the way things sometimes tend to get taken over the top around here, with name calling, etc. When did ever say anything about canning free speech or excpecting anyone to bend to the other side? I never expected RF to "bend" on anything. What I said was it was nice to engage in a discussion respectfully even if both sides don't agree, without it becoming a free for all.

[scarygirl]

As to the DUI remark, I was merely taking a shot back at the morality issue, nothing more nothing less. If we're gonna toss up Clinton's moral errors then the Bushes are fair game too. And the $3.40 a gallon comment meant that Clinton's in-office mistakes i.e. screwing an intern in his office haven't effected the USA the same way as Bush's in-office mistakes. Excuse me... to be fair and not speak for the whole or claim it as fact, I'll rephrase - the same way as what some people view as Bush's in-office mistakes.

And sherrie, I'm not beating my head against anything. (well, yet...lol!) I may not agree with RF on some of these things, but I respect him for making his point in a respectful manner, not a holier than thou tirade where he practically damns others to hell for thinking something else, as tends to happen on the rare occasion around here.

At the very least it makes for interesting debate.

If people speaking their minds as vigorously as others here equates to be holier than thou and on a tirade, then I don't see the point of having free speech much less a message board because we're all going to offend each other by the sheer action of not bending to the other side.

IMO,there are some things we should never bend on because by doing so we jeapordize the welfare of not only others, but eventually ourselves.

Are we really doing this again? You're reading way too much into it. For one thing, I was complimenting the fact that RF was carrying on a discussion in a respectful manner. There are such things as respectful discussions and heated debates and they are quite different from the arguments that go way off the deep end.

I was speaking in a GENERAL manner about the way things sometimes tend to get taken over the top around here, with name calling, etc. When did ever say anything about canning free speech or excpecting anyone to bend to the other side? I never expected RF to "bend" on anything. What I said was it was nice to engage in a discussion respectfully even if both sides don't agree, without it becoming a free for all.

I am not doing anything. Simply giving an opinion as to how people are not acting holier than thou, but giving their opinions despite whether or not fitting the popular consensus of the day. Last day I checked, I have seen no name calling. Just a group of people standing for what they believe. On both sides.

[bluejeangirl76]

I am not doing anything. Simply giving an opinion as to how people are not acting holier than thou, but giving their opinions despite whether or not fitting the popular consensus of the day. Last day I checked, I have seen no name calling. Just a group of people standing for what they believe. On both sides.

What part of "I was speaking in a GENERAL manner about the way things sometimes tend to get taken over the top around here" wasn't clear the first time? I wasn't talking about a specific discussion or thread. I was stating to RaiderFan and to Sherrie that I respected the way it was going as opposed to the way things sometimes get out of hand, and we all know they DO get out of hand and people DO get off on tirades and name-calling. In general. I didn't say it happened to day or yesterday or point out a specific instance.

[scarygirl]

I am not doing anything. Simply giving an opinion as to how people are not acting holier than thou, but giving their opinions despite whether or not fitting the popular consensus of the day. Last day I checked, I have seen no name calling. Just a group of people standing for what they believe. On both sides.

What part of "I was speaking in a GENERAL manner about the way things sometimes tend to get taken over the top around here" wasn't clear the first time? I wasn't talking about a specific discussion or thread. I was stating to RaiderFan and to Sherrie that I respected the way it was going as opposed to the way things sometimes get out of hand, and we all know they DO get out of hand and people DO get off on tirades and name-calling. In general. I didn't say it happened to day or yesterday or point out a specific instance.

No more than I. I wasn't talking about a specific time or instance either.