Bush Administration lied repeatedly to justify war...what a

[Enigma869]

I have to say that after reading this thread, I am ASTONISHED that Bush has ANY supporters left in this country, let alone people vehmently defending the guy. The truth of the matter is that there are MANY, in his own damn party, who think the guy is a fucking clown! Whether or you're a Republican (which I'm not), or a Democrat (which I'm not), it doesn't change the fact that Bush is probably going to go down as one of the worst presidents that this country has EVER seen! Get over the partisan bullshit people, and open your fucking eyes! Who gives a shit what "party" you belong to! Right is still right, and wrong is still wrong!

If you want to give Bush credit for galvanizing a nation, after the tumultuous aftermath of 9/11, fine...give the guy respect for that! It doesn't change the fact that his administration was 1000% wrong (and have admitted as much) about their reasons for going into Iraq. Whether you believe it was bad intelligence or blatant arrogance is really irrelevant! Even the most ardent Replublican apologist can't defend the indefensible! The U.S. housing market has completely collapsed on his watch, the economy is getting worse by the minute, and we have the highest gas prices this country has seen, since the last Bush occupied the Oval Office!

As for another comment about an honest politician...Stop living in a dream world! The next honest politician you meet will be the very first one that has ever existed! Being completely full of shit is a pre-requisite to be in the political business! Anyone who truly believes politicians are honest, should recuse themselves from voting, because they're too stupid to participate!

I don't claim to be a political pundit, but you can take this guarantee to the bank...There is NO FUCKING WAY that ANYONE from the Republican party will win this election! You could dig Reagan up from the grave, and the Republicans are still not winning this election! One consistent pattern of Americans is that we always throw out an entire party if our country is doing poorly. Whether you want to blame circumstances, or someone other than Bush, it isn't going to change the fact that everything that is going on, is happening on his watch, so he is ultimately responsible (and should be) for the direction of our country! I honestly can't stand Hillary Clinton, but am certain she has a FAR better shot of being elected than anyone who claims to be a Republican!


John from Boston

[lights1961]

I have to say that after reading this thread, I am ASTONISHED that Bush has ANY supporters left in this country, let alone people vehmently defending the guy. The truth of the matter is that there are MANY, in his own damn party, who think the guy is a fucking clown! Whether or you're a Republican (which I'm not), or a Democrat (which I'm not), it doesn't change the fact that Bush is probably going to go down as one of the worst presidents that this country has EVER seen! Get over the partisan bullshit people, and open your fucking eyes! Who gives a shit what "party" you belong to! Right is still right, and wrong is still wrong!

If you want to give Bush credit for galvanizing a nation, after the tumultuous aftermath of 9/11, fine...give the guy respect for that! It doesn't change the fact that his administration was 1000% wrong (and have admitted as much) about their reasons for going into Iraq. Whether you believe it was bad intelligence or blatant arrogance is really irrelevant! Even the most ardent Replublican apologist can't defend the indefensible! The U.S. housing market has completely collapsed on his watch, the economy is getting worse by the minute, and we have the highest gas prices this country has seen, since the last Bush occupied the Oval Office!

As for another comment about an honest politician...Stop living in a dream world! The next honest politician you meet will be the very first one that has ever existed! Being completely full of shit is a pre-requisite to be in the political business! Anyone who truly believes politicians are honest, should recuse themselves from voting, because they're too stupid to participate!

I don't claim to be a political pundit, but you can take this guarantee to the bank...There is NO FUCKING WAY that ANYONE from the Republican party will win this election! You could dig Reagan up from the grave, and the Republicans are still not winning this election! One consistent pattern of Americans is that we always throw out an entire party if our country is doing poorly. Whether you want to blame circumstances, or someone other than Bush, it isn't going to change the fact that everything that is going on, is happening on his watch, so he is ultimately responsible (and should be) for the direction of our country! I honestly can't stand Hillary Clinton, but am certain she has a FAR better shot of being elected than anyone who claims to be a Republican!


John from Boston

this was written by SOROS group. It would be like the right wing idiots posting stories
on Bill and Hill.... no cred.. the agenda speaks for itself on either side!!!
the groups on the left HATE BUSH---the groups on the right hate CLINTON.



Rick

[Enigma869]

I have to say that after reading this thread, I am ASTONISHED that Bush has ANY supporters left in this country, let alone people vehmently defending the guy. The truth of the matter is that there are MANY, in his own damn party, who think the guy is a fucking clown! Whether or you're a Republican (which I'm not), or a Democrat (which I'm not), it doesn't change the fact that Bush is probably going to go down as one of the worst presidents that this country has EVER seen! Get over the partisan bullshit people, and open your fucking eyes! Who gives a shit what "party" you belong to! Right is still right, and wrong is still wrong!

If you want to give Bush credit for galvanizing a nation, after the tumultuous aftermath of 9/11, fine...give the guy respect for that! It doesn't change the fact that his administration was 1000% wrong (and have admitted as much) about their reasons for going into Iraq. Whether you believe it was bad intelligence or blatant arrogance is really irrelevant! Even the most ardent Replublican apologist can't defend the indefensible! The U.S. housing market has completely collapsed on his watch, the economy is getting worse by the minute, and we have the highest gas prices this country has seen, since the last Bush occupied the Oval Office!

As for another comment about an honest politician...Stop living in a dream world! The next honest politician you meet will be the very first one that has ever existed! Being completely full of shit is a pre-requisite to be in the political business! Anyone who truly believes politicians are honest, should recuse themselves from voting, because they're too stupid to participate!

I don't claim to be a political pundit, but you can take this guarantee to the bank...There is NO FUCKING WAY that ANYONE from the Republican party will win this election! You could dig Reagan up from the grave, and the Republicans are still not winning this election! One consistent pattern of Americans is that we always throw out an entire party if our country is doing poorly. Whether you want to blame circumstances, or someone other than Bush, it isn't going to change the fact that everything that is going on, is happening on his watch, so he is ultimately responsible (and should be) for the direction of our country! I honestly can't stand Hillary Clinton, but am certain she has a FAR better shot of being elected than anyone who claims to be a Republican!


John from Boston

this was written by SOROS group. It would be like the right wing idiots posting stories
on Bill and Hill.... no cred.. the agenda speaks for itself on either side!!!
the groups on the left HATE BUSH---the groups on the right hate CLINTON.



Rick

What exactly are you saying was written by "SOROS group"???? My post? I'm quite sure that I somehow managed to write it, all by myself! I also hope that you're not suggesting that I have an "agenda". I can tell you that I'm one of the few on this board who has ZERO political agenda. In fact, I'm not sure there is one competent candidate in either party, for this upcoming election! The theme of this entire election should be "Dumb and Dumber", because that's what we're being presented with!


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

I have to say that after reading this thread, I am ASTONISHED that Bush has ANY supporters left in this country, let alone people vehmently defending the guy. The truth of the matter is that there are MANY, in his own damn party, who think the guy is a fucking clown! Whether or you're a Republican (which I'm not), or a Democrat (which I'm not), it doesn't change the fact that Bush is probably going to go down as one of the worst presidents that this country has EVER seen! Get over the partisan bullshit people, and open your fucking eyes! Who gives a shit what "party" you belong to! Right is still right, and wrong is still wrong!

If you want to give Bush credit for galvanizing a nation, after the tumultuous aftermath of 9/11, fine...give the guy respect for that! It doesn't change the fact that his administration was 1000% wrong (and have admitted as much) about their reasons for going into Iraq. Whether you believe it was bad intelligence or blatant arrogance is really irrelevant! Even the most ardent Replublican apologist can't defend the indefensible! The U.S. housing market has completely collapsed on his watch, the economy is getting worse by the minute, and we have the highest gas prices this country has seen, since the last Bush occupied the Oval Office!

As for another comment about an honest politician...Stop living in a dream world! The next honest politician you meet will be the very first one that has ever existed! Being completely full of shit is a pre-requisite to be in the political business! Anyone who truly believes politicians are honest, should recuse themselves from voting, because they're too stupid to participate!

I don't claim to be a political pundit, but you can take this guarantee to the bank...There is NO FUCKING WAY that ANYONE from the Republican party will win this election! You could dig Reagan up from the grave, and the Republicans are still not winning this election! One consistent pattern of Americans is that we always throw out an entire party if our country is doing poorly. Whether you want to blame circumstances, or someone other than Bush, it isn't going to change the fact that everything that is going on, is happening on his watch, so he is ultimately responsible (and should be) for the direction of our country! I honestly can't stand Hillary Clinton, but am certain she has a FAR better shot of being elected than anyone who claims to be a Republican!


John from Boston

this was written by SOROS group. It would be like the right wing idiots posting stories
on Bill and Hill.... no cred.. the agenda speaks for itself on either side!!!
the groups on the left HATE BUSH---the groups on the right hate CLINTON.



Rick

What exactly are you saying was written by "SOROS group"???? My post?

No, I think lights was referring to the initial basis for this thread that 7 wishes started.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Wow, this post turned practically radio active man!

[7 Wishes]

Those Democrats weren't lying...almost every one of those statements was made IN RESPONSE TO THE LIES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION was passing off as "intelligence". These Democrats were BEING LIED TO.

Dumbass.

Dumbass???

Hmmm....why was Bush passing intelligence to Bill, Nancy and Madeline in 1998?

Dumbfuck...

Learn to read. Logic not emotion okay?

"Fact Finder". You are anything but that.

The information Clinton had in 1998 was based on 1997 intelligence, dumbass.

Thanks to Clinton's sanctions, Hussein gave up the program in late 1998, and it was completely eradicated (thanks entirely to Clinton and the Democrats) by 2000.

Bush knew that in 2001, and he knew it in 2003.

You are such an ignorant person.

[RedWingFan]

Those Democrats weren't lying...almost every one of those statements was made IN RESPONSE TO THE LIES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION was passing off as "intelligence". These Democrats were BEING LIED TO.

Dumbass.

Dumbass???

Hmmm....why was Bush passing intelligence to Bill, Nancy and Madeline in 1998?

Dumbfuck...

Learn to read. Logic not emotion okay?

"Fact Finder". You are anything but that.

The information Clinton had in 1998 was based on 1997 intelligence, dumbass.


Thanks to Clinton's sanctions, Hussein gave up the program in late 1998, and it was completely eradicated (thanks entirely to Clinton and the Democrats) by 2000.

Bush knew that in 2001, and he knew it in 2003.

You are such an ignorant person.

Who was President from 1993 until 2001?


What about this statement do you not understand?



"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

Former President Clinton
During an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live"
July 22, 2003

"Ouch" Oh, I felt that asskicking all the way up here in Michigan. 7 Wishes I suggest you back out gracefully because from the outset of starting this thread, you've been getting hammered and now have zero credibility.

[7 Wishes]

With some exceptions intelligence typically runs 6-12 months behind reality. "Unaccounted for" does not mean they were not (soon thereafter, as in in 2001) ACCOUNTED FOR.

Look, your guy and your Administration has been caught. Indisputably the most inept, corrupt, and incompetent Administration since Hoover.

To answer someone else's question...I am a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S.

I condemn Clinton for his failures and shortcomings. He was far from perfect.

His economic and foreign policy record cannot be challenged, regardless of how many cut-and-paste jobs you throw down.

TRY to be objective. Bush lied. He should have already been impeached. Worst President EVER. Period. He has thrown this country and indeed the entire world into a cauldron from which there is no hope for escape or resolution.

And by the way...the rest of the world KNOWS man-made global warming is REAL and INDISPUTABLE. Just because you're among the 25% of Americans (that shrinks to 8% for the rest of the world, incidentally) that is in denial about this fact DOESN'T validate your cut-and-paste rhetorical responses.

Your children and grandchildren will want you to have helped with this problem, and they will want to know why you voted for a person as incompetent and basically evil as Bush when the world of 2050 is in shambles. Bush hasn't saved us; he has condemned us all.

[7 Wishes]

[quote="RedWingFan"[Oh, I felt that asskicking all the way up here in Michigan. 7 Wishes I suggest you back out gracefully because from the outset of starting this thread, you've been getting hammered. [/quote]

Typical neo-con...ignoring the facts. Whatever.

Read between the lines, if you're at all capable of that...you will see it is YOU who has nothing to fall back on.

[RedWingFan]

With some exceptions intelligence typically runs 6-12 months behind reality. "Unaccounted for" does not mean they were not (soon thereafter, as in in 2001) ACCOUNTED FOR.

Look, your guy and your Administration has been caught. Indisputably the most inept, corrupt, and incompetent Administration since Hoover.

To answer someone else's question...I am a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S.

I condemn Clinton for his failures and shortcomings. He was far from perfect.

His economic and foreign policy record cannot be challenged, regardless of how many cut-and-paste jobs you throw down.

TRY to be objective. Bush lied. He should have already been impeached. Worst President EVER. Period. He has thrown this country and indeed the entire world into a cauldron from which there is no hope for escape or resolution.

And by the way...the rest of the world KNOWS man-made global warming is REAL and INDISPUTABLE. Just because you're among the 25% of Americans (that shrinks to 8% for the rest of the world, incidentally) that is in denial about this fact DOESN'T validate your cut-and-paste rhetorical responses.

Your children and grandchildren will want you to have helped with this problem, and they will want to know why you voted for a person as incompetent and basically evil as Bush when the world of 2050 is in shambles. Bush hasn't saved us; he has condemned us all.

You're a loon!

[7 Wishes]

That is true. I did vote for Bush's dad in 1988, however.

[Rhiannon]

Your children and grandchildren will want you to have helped with this problem, and they will want to know why you voted for a person as incompetent and basically evil as Bush when the world of 2050 is in shambles. Bush hasn't saved us; he has condemned us all.

Horsepiss. Each and every generation of peoples is entirely convinced that their doings and lifetime will see about the end of "the world". There are good runs and bad ones too, look back into past times in history (not just American). There have been far worse situations. I'm not a huge fan of Dubya, but I don't hate him either. Dude is what he is, each presidency is different and not ONE single individual should shoulder the blame for the state of the world. Trying to pile all our problems off on one person is infantile. Just because everything happened on his "watch" doesn't mean the moments of prevention or allusion could've been the same time too. This incessant argument has been around since the dawn of politics and will continue to be so. You're not trying to argue any point that opponents of Ceasar Octavian, Justinian, Louis XVI, or William Churchill haven't already. Every leader fucks up, they're human after all. Just don't try to act like he's the first one who ever faltered.

[RedWingFan]

Poor 7 wishes came in here with both guns blazing with his posse and they've all turned tail leaving him to take all the arrows! Funny!

[Voyager]

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner....

No, we just have one member of the forum who agrees with you.

[RedWingFan]

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner....

No, we just have one member of the forum who agrees with you.

I don't agree with you Voyager, but that was funny!

[7 Wishes]

Poor 7 wishes came in here with both guns blazing with his posse and they've all turned tail leaving him to take all the arrows! Funny!

No, I think they see the futility in arguing with cut-and-pasters who can't see things rationally or objectionally.

Fact: without Bush there would have been NO IRAQ.

In the opinion of most of the world, there would have been NO 9/11 without the Bush Administration. I'm not arguing that's the case...but try to see how the rest of the world views the U.S. instead of they way you want to believe we are perceived.

It gets a little old, going count/counterpoint with people who claim to be "independents" but are actually neo-con "yes men". The difference between most Democrats and most Conservatives is that the left-leaners, being more open-minded by nature, tend to see all sides of an issue, whereas most Republicans stick to the party line, regardless of the cost.

I'm sure I will receive a litany of PM's and hateful responses here. Keep it comin'. I'm ready. The truth is on my side.

[ohsherrie]

Poor 7 wishes came in here with both guns blazing with his posse and they've all turned tail leaving him to take all the arrows! Funny!

I haven't deserted you Daniel. I just gave up on agruing against ignorance. There's no point to it. If they were capable of understanding where they're wrong, they wouldn't be supporting Bush.

[Rhiannon]

The truth is on my side.

Truth is subjective.

[7 Wishes]

Poor 7 wishes came in here with both guns blazing with his posse and they've all turned tail leaving him to take all the arrows!

Gotta admit, that was funny. Kind of like Tommy Shaw at an NRA convention.

[7 Wishes]

Truth is subjective.

Depend. When you're dealing with cold hard fact, versus opinion, it is most certainly not subjective.

[conversationpc]

AP Reports 'Bush Lied' Study Funded by Ultra-leftist George Soros

Gee...Who'd a thunk???

I don't think I've seen any of you hardcore lefties comment on this. You'd be all over me like flies on shit if I posted a story like the one you did and it turned out to have been funded by Rush Limbaugh or some other well-known conservative activist.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Fact: without Bush there would have been NO IRAQ.

Could you elaborate on that? Just off the top of my head, didn't Reagan support Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war by providing the Iraqi National Guard with loads and loads of weapons? Sure these weapons were obsolete compared to what the U.S. had in it's arsonal, but the stuff was state of the art when putting up against much of what Iran had to work with. So actually there would have been no Iraq without Reagan either.

[7 Wishes]

With all due respect, Dave...and I do think you're one of the most intelligent people on this board...the very source from which you quote is itself biased.

Look, the cold hard facts remain just that. These 935 instances cannot be contrived or interpreted. This is simply taking direct quotes from these officials and comparing them to known facts...who knew what when.

Look up more of what this group has done...they did a study that was VERY harsh on Clinton a few years back. They are not biased.

[conversationpc]

With all due respect, Dave...and I do think you're one of the most intelligent people on this board...the very source from which you quote is itself biased.

Look, the cold hard facts remain just that. These 935 instances cannot be contrived or interpreted. This is simply taking direct quotes from these officials and comparing them to known facts...who knew what when.

Look up more of what this group has done...they did a study that was VERY harsh on Clinton a few years back. They are not biased.

I'm sorry but that's spin. Soros funds simply TONS of left-wing smear sites, media outlets, etc. If he simply gave money to liberal politicians or causes, that's fine, but the dude has an agenda and is trying to influence politics way beyond what the normal person does. Anything that his money funds is suspect now just like it would be if Rush Limbaugh funded a study showing Clinton lied about this or that.

[RedWingFan]

No, I think they see the futility in arguing with cut-and-pasters who can't see things rationally or objectionally.

Didn't you start this thread with a cut and paste? Or did you print it out then type it into your post.

Fact: without Bush there would have been NO IRAQ.

You could also say that without Bush there would be no pro-US Iraq. They're have been so many politicians from both sides that said Saddam must be removed. Bush does it and the same people are up in arms.

In the opinion of most of the world, there would have been NO 9/11 without the Bush Administration. I'm not arguing that's the case...but try to see how the rest of the world views the U.S. instead of they way you want to believe we are perceived.

What does it matter what some delusional people think? Do you seriously think the US should base foreign policy on people who are either delusional or just hate us? We should do what makes them happy? That's what happened with WTC'93, U.S.S. Cole...etc... It's time to deal with reality here! It would be so much easier and simpler if we could just say, okay let's just leave them alone and they'll leave us alone. That's not reality. It wasn't reality in the '90's, the 80's, the 1900's or even the 1800's. This goes way deeper than US politics!

The difference between most Democrats and most Conservatives is that the left-leaners, being more open-minded by nature, tend to see all sides of an issue, whereas most Republicans stick to the party line, regardless of the cost.

I'm sure I will receive a litany of PM's and hateful responses here. Keep it comin'. I'm ready. The truth is on my side.

"Democrats and most Conservatives"? What's the matter can't bring yourself to use the "L" word?
Open minded? On one hand we have yourself, OS, and Dean. Who can't name one good thing Bush has done. Then on the other you have myself (I'll let the other speak for themselves) who disagrees with Bush on quite a few things. We seem to go issue by issue, unlike yourselves. I'm a proud conservative, the last trace of conservatism that was in the democrat party was Zell Miller. That means republican by default unless things change.

[Rockindeano]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Jon Gibson of Faux, applauds the fact that Christians hate everything Brokeback Mountain, and that Ledgers death was because God was pissed that he played a ____ in the movie.

Again, I wish I was a conservative You should be so embarrassed of yourselves. I am embarrassed for you.

[sadie65]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Jon Gibson of Faux, applauds the fact that Christians hate everything Brokeback Mountain, and that Ledgers death was because God was pissed that he played a ____ in the movie.

Again, I wish I was a conservative You should be so embarrassed of yourselves. I am embarrassed for you.

I say this with all sincerity. That's just pathetic. Seriously pathetic.

[conversationpc]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Screw you. If you're talking about those Westboro Baptist nuts from Topeka, Kansas, the same scumbags who picket the funerals of dead American soldiers, then they no more represent true Christians than terrorists do the average muslim. They are, as the Bible describes, wolves in sheep's clothing.

Oh, here's a tidbit for you...The leader of that church, Fred Phelps, has long been a registered Democrat and won several civil rights cases for blacks back in the early days of the civil rights movement. I'm not sure what happened to him since then but he went off the deep end at some point.

[Rockindeano]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Screw you. If you're talking about those Westboro Baptist nuts from Topeka, Kansas, the same scumbags who picket the funerals of dead American soldiers, then they no more represent true Christians than terrorists do the average muslim. They are, as the Bible describes, wolves in sheep's clothing.

Oh, here's a tidbit for you...The leader of that church, Fred Phelps, has long been a registered Democrat and won several civil rights cases for blacks back in the early days of the civil rights movement. I'm not sure what happened to him since then but he went off the deep end at some point.

Screw me? Did I mention you Dave?

Hey, it was Fox News and most notably Jon Gibson, who says this is deserved, not I.

[conversationpc]

Don't you conservatives have a funeral to go picket?

Yeah, Christians are flocking to Heath Ledgers funeral to picket Ledgers funeral because he played a faggot in a movie, Brokeback Mountain. Congratulations Fox News. Complete class there.

Screw you. If you're talking about those Westboro Baptist nuts from Topeka, Kansas, the same scumbags who picket the funerals of dead American soldiers, then they no more represent true Christians than terrorists do the average muslim. They are, as the Bible describes, wolves in sheep's clothing.

Oh, here's a tidbit for you...The leader of that church, Fred Phelps, has long been a registered Democrat and won several civil rights cases for blacks back in the early days of the civil rights movement. I'm not sure what happened to him since then but he went off the deep end at some point.

Screw me? Did I mention you Dave?

Hey, it was Fox News and most notably Jon Gibson, who says this is deserved, not I.

You threw the term "Christians" in there as if these wackos from the Westboro Baptist church are equated with Christians in general, of which I am one.