who do you want as next president & vice president......

[conversationpc]

LOL, you are either trying to piss me off or are really stupid.

The best political page is Realclearpolitics.com

Um I just gave those numbers FROM RealClearPolitics.com

This really comical watching you guys pull up copy and paste ad nauseum. Really funny.

Is it better to "cut & paste" or just be a "I have no real sources" liberal?

[Rockindeano]

Whose the Liberal of which you speak?

LOL, you are all going to mow crow in November.

I will then taunt the living piss out of all of you cons.

[conversationpc]

Whose the Liberal of which you speak?

LOL, you are all going to mow crow in November.

I will then taunt the living piss out of all of you cons.

I think you mean "Who's"...Anyway, how am I going to "mow crow"? I've never said that Hillary couldn't win the election.

[Rockindeano]

Too lazy to type apostrophe's. See, it's a pain in the ass.

[conversationpc]

Heard a funny fake commercial for John Edwards on Glenn Beck's show just a few minutes ago...

John Edwards has failed more often than Lindsey Lohan on a breathalyzer test.

[Big J]

Too lazy to type apostrophe's. See, it's a pain in the ass.

Especially when you have no clue how to properly use them.

[ohsherrie]

I can't call these my sources because there is no one source for the information that I've accumulated over the last 40 yrs, but maybe these will prove that I didn't just pull that stuff out of my ass. I'm still finding it hard to believe that people who profess to care so much about how the government runs don't already know this stuff.

None of these things is solely the fault of either party, but they've gotten worse in the last 7 years. I originally brought these up in response to a question about why the government owes us jobs. These are examples of how the government's manipulation of the economy has made them directly responsible for the loss of American middle class living wage jobs and health care benefits, and therefore should be required to correct the situation.




Trade imbalance:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... e=business

Corporate Welfare:

http://www.progress.org/corpw30.htm

Farm land use subsidies:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00962.html

[conversationpc]

I can't call these my sources because there is no one source for the information that I've accumulated over the last 40 yrs, but maybe these will prove that I didn't just pull that stuff out of my ass. I'm still finding it hard to believe that people who profess to care so much about how the government runs don't already know this stuff.

None of these things is solely the fault of either party, but they've gotten worse in the last 7 years. I originally brought these up in response to a question about why the government owes us jobs. These are examples of how the government's manipulation of the economy has made them directly responsible for the loss of American middle class living wage jobs and health care benefits, and therefore should be required to correct the situation.




Trade imbalance:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... e=business

Corporate Welfare:

http://www.progress.org/corpw30.htm

Farm land use subsidies:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00962.html

I've heard and read about these things many times. I'm not sure why you bring these up since there's no disagreement here.

[Barb]

I can't call these my sources because there is no one source for the information that I've accumulated over the last 40 yrs, but maybe these will prove that I didn't just pull that stuff out of my ass. I'm still finding it hard to believe that people who profess to care so much about how the government runs don't already know this stuff.

None of these things is solely the fault of either party, but they've gotten worse in the last 7 years. I originally brought these up in response to a question about why the government owes us jobs. These are examples of how the government's manipulation of the economy has made them directly responsible for the loss of American middle class living wage jobs and health care benefits, and therefore should be required to correct the situation.




Trade imbalance:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... e=business

Corporate Welfare:

http://www.progress.org/corpw30.htm

Farm land use subsidies:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00962.html

I've heard and read about these things many times. I'm not sure why you bring these up since there's no disagreement here.

An op ed by an open Socialist (Bernie Sanders). Wow. I'm convinced.

[conversationpc]

I can't call these my sources because there is no one source for the information that I've accumulated over the last 40 yrs, but maybe these will prove that I didn't just pull that stuff out of my ass. I'm still finding it hard to believe that people who profess to care so much about how the government runs don't already know this stuff.

None of these things is solely the fault of either party, but they've gotten worse in the last 7 years. I originally brought these up in response to a question about why the government owes us jobs. These are examples of how the government's manipulation of the economy has made them directly responsible for the loss of American middle class living wage jobs and health care benefits, and therefore should be required to correct the situation.




Trade imbalance:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... e=business

Corporate Welfare:

http://www.progress.org/corpw30.htm

Farm land use subsidies:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00962.html

I've heard and read about these things many times. I'm not sure why you bring these up since there's no disagreement here.

An op ed by an open Socialist (Bernie Sanders). Wow. I'm convinced.

Yeah, he's usually a moron but his main point is still good in this case. Government gives away way too much to businesses that ought to rise or fall based on their own merits.

[Barb]

I can't call these my sources because there is no one source for the information that I've accumulated over the last 40 yrs, but maybe these will prove that I didn't just pull that stuff out of my ass. I'm still finding it hard to believe that people who profess to care so much about how the government runs don't already know this stuff.

None of these things is solely the fault of either party, but they've gotten worse in the last 7 years. I originally brought these up in response to a question about why the government owes us jobs. These are examples of how the government's manipulation of the economy has made them directly responsible for the loss of American middle class living wage jobs and health care benefits, and therefore should be required to correct the situation.




Trade imbalance:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... e=business

Corporate Welfare:

http://www.progress.org/corpw30.htm

Farm land use subsidies:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00962.html

I've heard and read about these things many times. I'm not sure why you bring these up since there's no disagreement here.

An op ed by an open Socialist (Bernie Sanders). Wow. I'm convinced.

Yeah, he's usually a moron but his main point is still good in this case. Government gives away way too much to businesses that ought to rise or fall based on their own merits.

I'd rather government give money to corporations who employ millions of people than bums who just want free cash. JMO....

[conversationpc]

I'd rather government give money to corporations who employ millions of people than bums who just want free cash. JMO....

True, but in the end, a free market won't support it, especially as much debt as our economy has. You're right, though, people who aren't paying taxes shouldn't be getting these proposed rebates.

[RossValoryRocks]

I can't call these my sources because there is no one source for the information that I've accumulated over the last 40 yrs, but maybe these will prove that I didn't just pull that stuff out of my ass. I'm still finding it hard to believe that people who profess to care so much about how the government runs don't already know this stuff.

None of these things is solely the fault of either party, but they've gotten worse in the last 7 years. I originally brought these up in response to a question about why the government owes us jobs. These are examples of how the government's manipulation of the economy has made them directly responsible for the loss of American middle class living wage jobs and health care benefits, and therefore should be required to correct the situation.




Trade imbalance:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... e=business

Corporate Welfare:

http://www.progress.org/corpw30.htm

Farm land use subsidies:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00962.html

WRONG...the Founding Fathers were scared to DEATH of a overly strong central government and with good reason. The government owes us NOTHING but a national defense, a place air our greivences, and a voice in that government. THAT'S IT.

The farm subsidies and corporate welfare are joke, and both parties should be held accountable for that mess...paying people NOT to farm, paying HUGE companies TO farm...it's a load of horseshit.

The trade embalance we can't do anything about...President Bush put a tarriff on imported steel and the WTO found the United States GUILTY of unfair trade practices...who cares that the imported steel is all subsidized by foriegn governments and kills out steel making industry. This has NOTHING to do with the President of United States, Congress or any part of our government. It as to do with the rest of the world practicing unfair trade tatics and getting away with it.

[ohsherrie]

I've heard and read about these things many times. I'm not sure why you bring these up since there's no disagreement here.

I told you why I brought them up. I was try to explain why the government is responsible for what's happening to the middle class jobs.

[ohsherrie]

WRONG...the Founding Fathers were scared to DEATH of a overly strong central government and with good reason. The government owes us NOTHING but a national defense, a place air our greivences, and a voice in that government. THAT'S IT.

It's not George fucking Washington who's in there now Struart, It's George dumbfuck Bush and he's increased the size and power of the central government more than any president in recent history.

I'm through talking about this with you though because I don't think you understand enough of the reality of the repercussions of these job and income losses on the overall economic health of this country to make it worth my time.

[conversationpc]

I've heard and read about these things many times. I'm not sure why you bring these up since there's no disagreement here.

I told you why I brought them up. I was try to explain why the government is responsible for what's happening to the middle class jobs.

They are, to a certain extent. However, the final responsibility lies with the individual. That's the way it's always been and that's the way it should be. If you lose your job, in the end, it comes down to you doing all you can do to get another similar job that fits your skills or getting some education to retrain and improve yourself to get another job. I've had to do it on more than one occasion. It's not easy but necessary. We're all responsible for our own welfare eventually. The government can help or hurt but we can't give them all the blame.

[RossValoryRocks]

WRONG...the Founding Fathers were scared to DEATH of a overly strong central government and with good reason. The government owes us NOTHING but a national defense, a place air our greivences, and a voice in that government. THAT'S IT.

It's not George fucking Washington who's in there now Struart, It's George dumbfuck Bush and he's increased the size and power of the central government more than any president in recent history.

I'm through talking about this with you though because I don't think you understand enough of the reality of the repercussions of these job and income losses on the overall economic health of this country to make it worth my time.

It doesn't matter who is in their. I don't like George Bush on many levels, especially the economic ones. The fact is that big government is bad no matter who is president. And the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 boosted the economy, or we would have had problems much sooner.

The whole subprime mess can't be laid at the feet of the President or Congress, that is the fault of stupid people making bad loans to other stupid people who didn't read the fine print. It had nothing to do with Congress. Neither do the jobs lost in manufacturing, those have everything to do with the trade practices of other countries.

Oh and as for reality of job and income losses...I lost my job in 2003 and it took me almost a year and half to get another one, as my job was given to an H1B visa holder (3 of the actually). I had to declare bankruptcy. I lost a house, 2 cars, my life savings. Don't talk to me about knowing enough about job and income losses, I know far more than you do. I lived it. I also know it isn't the responsibility of the government to bail me out or give me a job and health benefits because of what happened.

[ohsherrie]

I've heard and read about these things many times. I'm not sure why you bring these up since there's no disagreement here.

I told you why I brought them up. I was try to explain why the government is responsible for what's happening to the middle class jobs.

They are, to a certain extent. However, the final responsibility lies with the individual. That's the way it's always been and that's the way it should be. If you lose your job, in the end, it comes down to you doing all you can do to get another similar job that fits your skills or getting some education to retrain and improve yourself to get another job. I've had to do it on more than one occasion. It's not easy but necessary. We're all responsible for our own welfare eventually. The government can help or hurt but we can't give them all the blame.

Dave, the jobs don't exist for them to get. Why can't you understand that? Even if they did people sure can't go to college or tech school while trying to support their families working as supermarket clerks in the daytime and flipping burgers at night.

A while back a lot of you were saying how great it was that the reps were going to stop the government from using eminent domain to take away people's property, but you think it's just fine for them to take away their livelihoods. It's exactly the same principle, and in the case of the jobs, incomes, it's also destroying the economy of this country. But they have no responsibility to the people?

I'm not saying they should contact everybody who's lost their jobs or living wages and get them another comparable job. I'm saying it's their responsibility to make sure there are jobs for the people to get and small businesses aren't going to cut it.


Oh and Barb, the jobs that those corporations create aren't in this country.

[Barb]

I've heard and read about these things many times. I'm not sure why you bring these up since there's no disagreement here.

I told you why I brought them up. I was try to explain why the government is responsible for what's happening to the middle class jobs.

They are, to a certain extent. However, the final responsibility lies with the individual. That's the way it's always been and that's the way it should be. If you lose your job, in the end, it comes down to you doing all you can do to get another similar job that fits your skills or getting some education to retrain and improve yourself to get another job. I've had to do it on more than one occasion. It's not easy but necessary. We're all responsible for our own welfare eventually. The government can help or hurt but we can't give them all the blame.

Dave, the jobs don't exist for them to get. Why can't you understand that? Even if they did people sure can't go to college or tech school while trying to support their families working as supermarket clerks in the daytime and flipping burgers at night.

A while back a lot of you were saying how great it was that the reps were going to stop the government from using eminent domain to take away people's property, but you think it's just fine for them to take away their livelihoods. It's exactly the same principle, and in the case of the jobs, incomes, it's also destroying the economy of this country. But they have no responsibility to the people?

I'm not saying they should contact everybody who's lost their jobs or living wages and get them another comparable job. I'm saying it's their responsibility to make sure there are jobs for the people to get and small businesses aren't going to cut it.


Oh and Barb, the jobs that those corporations create aren't in this country.

You buy and pay for your property. It's yours and YOU OWN IT. You cannot own your job if you work for someone else, and that job is up to the employer to decide what happens to it, not you, so how on earth is that the same principle?

I work for a huge corporation and while we do have many low cost locations, we employ tens of thousands of people in the united states and job reqs are open and posted for hundreds of positions right here in the U.S. You have no idea what the hell you're even talking about.

Not all work can be done overseas and a person needs to take responsibility for his own future, stop walking with his head down and hand out saying "what are you going to do for me?" and fucking figure it out him/herself! Or are we really a nation of pussies who don't have the backbone to make their own way anymore? Geez.

[ohsherrie]

Oh and as for reality of job and income losses...I lost my job in 2003 and it took me almost a year and half to get another one, as my job was given to an H1B visa holder (3 of the actually). I had to declare bankruptcy. I lost a house, 2 cars, my life savings. Don't talk to me about knowing enough about job and income losses, I know far more than you do. I lived it. I also know it isn't the responsibility of the government to bail me out or give me a job and health benefits because of what happened.

Oh damn, do you really not see the difference between one person losing a job for whatever reason, as bad as I know that can be, and thousands of people at a time losing theirs due to manufacturing plant closings in towns and small cities for which those industries are the primary economic base?

[RossValoryRocks]

Oh and as for reality of job and income losses...I lost my job in 2003 and it took me almost a year and half to get another one, as my job was given to an H1B visa holder (3 of the actually). I had to declare bankruptcy. I lost a house, 2 cars, my life savings. Don't talk to me about knowing enough about job and income losses, I know far more than you do. I lived it. I also know it isn't the responsibility of the government to bail me out or give me a job and health benefits because of what happened.

Oh damn, do you really not see the difference between one person losing a job for whatever reason, as bad as I know that can be, and thousands of people at a time losing theirs due to manufacturing plant closings in towns and small cities for which those industries are the primary economic base?

I see the difference...and to note 1500 of collegues lost their jobs at the same time...where we differ on what the governments role is in A) Causing the problem and B) what they should do about it.

The government cannot be all things to all people, nor should it.

[conversationpc]

Dave, the jobs don't exist for them to get. Why can't you understand that? Even if they did people sure can't go to college or tech school while trying to support their families working as supermarket clerks in the daytime and flipping burgers at night.

A while back a lot of you were saying how great it was that the reps were going to stop the government from using eminent domain to take away people's property, but you think it's just fine for them to take away their livelihoods. It's exactly the same principle, and in the case of the jobs, incomes, it's also destroying the economy of this country. But they have no responsibility to the people?

I'm not saying they should contact everybody who's lost their jobs or living wages and get them another comparable job. I'm saying it's their responsibility to make sure there are jobs for the people to get and small businesses aren't going to cut it.


Oh and Barb, the jobs that those corporations create aren't in this country.

Ummm...a big NO to the part in bold above. It is not the government's responsibility to make sure there are jobs.

I'll say it again...In the end, it's an individual's own responsibility to get a job. I didn't say there weren't extenuating circumstances. Government can help or hurt and, in most cases, they hurt. Anyway, to say that there aren't any middle-class jobs is just absurd. They're advertised in the paper, on Monster.com, careerbuilder.com, dice.com, and various other places every day. Are they harder to get and keep? Yep, but they are there. I've had to do it at least five times in the past 16 years. I busted my ass to get the training that I needed to get the job I have currently and, if I want to move on to where I want to go or if I get laid off (which is a real possibility) I'll need to do it again. It's the cold, hard truth, but it's the truth. You're responsible for yourself. If you depend on government for it, you are indeed screwed, however less government regulation would certainly help.

[ohsherrie]

You buy and pay for your property. It's yours and YOU OWN IT. You cannot own your job if you work for someone else, and that job is up to the employer to decide what happens to it, not you, so how on earth is that the same principle?

I work for a huge corporation and while we do have many low cost locations, we employ tens of thousands of people in the united states and job reqs are open and posted for hundreds of positions right here in the U.S. You have no idea what the hell you're even talking about.

Not all work can be done overseas and a person needs to take responsibility for his own future, stop walking with his head down and hand out saying "what are you going to do for me?" and fucking figure it out him/herself! Or are we really a nation of pussies who don't have the backbone to make their own way anymore? Geez.

You're totally clueless and it's obvious that you're happy being that way. those hundreds of postitions aren't drop in the bucket even if they were realistically available to most of these people. But just go la la around in your little self-satisfied comfort zone, but don't ever call my friends and family who are living this nightmare pussies without backbones because believe me, you'd never make it in their world.

[conversationpc]

But just go la la around in your little self-satisfied comfort zone, but don't ever call my friends and family who are living this nightmare pussies without backbones because believe me, you'd never make it in their world.

Most of us ALREADY live in that world. I seriously doubt there is anyone here who would be considered wealthy. We all work for a living and we all have tough circumstances.

[Rockindeano]

Beshad's got bank. That fucker must run weaponry to the Afghans or some shit; or coke to the inner city youth.

[Barb]

You buy and pay for your property. It's yours and YOU OWN IT. You cannot own your job if you work for someone else, and that job is up to the employer to decide what happens to it, not you, so how on earth is that the same principle?

I work for a huge corporation and while we do have many low cost locations, we employ tens of thousands of people in the united states and job reqs are open and posted for hundreds of positions right here in the U.S. You have no idea what the hell you're even talking about.

Not all work can be done overseas and a person needs to take responsibility for his own future, stop walking with his head down and hand out saying "what are you going to do for me?" and fucking figure it out him/herself! Or are we really a nation of pussies who don't have the backbone to make their own way anymore? Geez.

You're totally clueless and it's obvious that you're happy being that way. those hundreds of postitions aren't drop in the bucket even if they were realistically available to most of these people. But just go la la around in your little self-satisfied comfort zone, but don't ever call my friends and family who are living this nightmare pussies without backbones because believe me, you'd never make it in their world.

YOU are totally clueless and you prove it every time you post. I'm talking about the one company I work for, combine that with hundreds or thousands of jobs at other companies and you have a big market of jobs. Unemployment is 5%! That is pracitcally FULL EMPLOYMENT. European countries enjoy an unemployment rate of around 10% - go there and see how you like it.
Here's an idea, if there are no jobs where you are, go somewhere else where there are jobs! You're in America - you can do that.

You're right. I wouldn't make it in their world because I would get the fuck out of it -- whatever it took. I would NOT be sitting around foaming at the mouth about how George Bush wrecked my life. My life is my responsibility. I notice that people who hold that position seem a lot happier than those who are expecting the government to solve their problems. Maybe you should pay attention.

[Rockindeano]

Unemployment may be 5%, but who the fuck wants a job at McDonalds?

The increase in jobs are and have been lower pay scale jobs.

Carry on.

[Marc S]

His "documentary" has more holes than the ozone layer and even the government in Great Britain issued a declaration that if the film was to be shown in schools, they had to notify the students of the at least eleven different lies in the movie.

That's strange and untrue, it was actually a dipshit truck driver who tried to seek an injunction. Nothing to do with the government - And this, from The Daily Mail, the most hysterical rightwing 'the commies are coming' newspaper in the UK....just another far right slur.

Labour 'is brainwashing pupils with Al Gore climate change film' says father in court

Children are being brainwashed by propaganda from the Government on climate change, a court heard yesterday.

The "New Labour Thought Police" were accused of indoctrinating youngsters by handing out thousands of Climate Change Packs to schools.

The packs include the documentary film An Inconvenient Truth, made by Bill Clinton's former vice president Al Gore.

The film - acclaimed by the movie industry and the global warming lobby - was described in the High Court as irredeemable, containing serious scientific inaccuracies and "sentimental mush".

Lorry driver and school governor Stewart Dimmock is seeking a court order quashing the Govern-ment's decision to distribute the documentary and four short films to 3,500 schools and also to declare that decision unlawful.

Mr Justice Burton, who must decide whether to allow a judicial review of the policy, asked if Mr Dimmock was interested in climate change.

Mr Paul Downes, Mr Dimmock's counsel, replied: "Lots of parents have written to him supporting his application. They do not want our children brainwashed in this way by the New Labour Thought Police."

Father-of-two Stewart Dimmock is challenging plans to air the film in secondary schools

Mr Downes told Mr Justice Burton - who has not yet seen the Al Gore film - that it was "half scientific, 30 per cent pure politics and the other 20 per cent is what I would describe as sentimental mush".

He added: "The mush is there to soften up the viewer for persuasion. Of the half of the film that is scientific, the majority is either false or vastly exaggerated."

Mr Downes said he would seek to challenge justification for distributing the film, which was that Government experts had said the science in it was "broadly accurate subject to reservations".

One of the most terrifying sequences in the film follows Gore's assertion that scientists predict a 20ft rise in sea levels within a century as ice sheets melt in Greenland and Antarctica.

Government guidance advises that teachers tell pupils that not everyone agreed with the science in the film, but that the weight of opinion was behind it.

Before the hearing, Mr Dimmock, a lorry driver from Dover with children aged 11 and 14, said: "Climate change is important, but it should be taught to children in a neutral and measured manner."

Suffice to say, he was unsuccessful. Truck driver = Road Haulage lobby = stupid.

[Uno_up]

Anyone watch the State of the Union address last night?

That's 45 minutes of my life I'll never get back to hear absolutely nothing. If they'd just eliminate the nonsensical clapping, it'd be shorter by about 20 minutes. Partisan politics drives me nuts. Sure, I can see where one side of the chamber claps and the other one doesn't on real divisive issues - Iraq, social security, immigration, etc. but why don't both sides acknowledge a sound idea from the President that crosses party lines?

Bush mentions that pork barrel earmarks are a bad idea. One side claps, the other doesn't. Bush mentions using treated skin cells for genetic research instead of debating over embryonic stem cells. One side claps, the other doesn't.

This is exactly why nothing gets done in Washington.

[NealIsGod]

Anyone watch the State of the Union address last night?

That's 45 minutes of my life I'll never get back to hear absolutely nothing. If they'd just eliminate the nonsensical clapping, it'd be shorter by about 20 minutes.

Yup, I prefer to read about it in the paper or online the next day. The clapping wastes a ridiculous amount of time. They clap after every sentence.