Arkansas woman pregnant with 18th child

[Rhiannon]

That's your view and I respect that, but obviously, you have never been picked on. Kind of hard to join a sports team when the others are trying to trip you, on purpose. Again, it's all about YOUR experience. Were you ever made fun of at your prom? How about being mocked and teased during the line up for high school graduation? I'm not saying life isn't what you make, but parents should teach their kids to leave other kids the heck alone.

Obviously I was never picked on? Everyone gets picked on going through school. You know what though, I got over it, yeah I spent many afternoons crying on my cat's belly absolutely miserable. But I knew that it was my decision to let it get to me or not. I was the perpetual "new kid" up until 7th grade. That in itself was rough. I didn't go to my prom, actually, I graduated early and traveled the country. I also didn't walk across the stage at my graduation either because I was producing a radio show on Saturdays by the time my class' graduation ceremony rolled around. Point being, live and let be, no one has a perfect walk through life, and we all have been made into fools by our peers. It should build strength of character, if you choose to let it. And there will always be bullies, always. Once again, it reverts to parenting, not schooling.

[AlteredDNA]

I went to a public school, and enjoyed it very much. However, I wouldn't even consider any of the public schools around here today. Things have declined in the public school system at alarming rates - inept teachers, violence, etc... There is a reason why private, charter, and home schooling numbers are on the rise.

Many, if not all of the public school social activities can be experienced in other places, but a safe, challenging, and nurturing environment for learning must be the first priority of elementary and secondary education.

Eh, this is true. I attended high school in one of the greatest places to experience those years of your life.
But I attended about 14 different elementary schools in 7 states, so I know it does vary from place to place quite drastically. What I learned in 4th grade in one state, I was retaught in 6th grade in another state.

My argument against homeschooling has nothing to do with the educational quality, but the exposure to various experiences and memories that are typically associated with conventional schools.

I understand, but do you think exposure to these conventional school experiences should carry more weight than a quality education? Social experiences can be had in many places other than conventional schools, but you only get one real shot at a quality elementary and secondary education. As a parent, I want to place my child in an environment with as few obstacles as possible to learning as much as possible. Anything less would be negligent, IMO...

[Rhiannon]

I understand, but do you think exposure to these conventional school experiences should carry more weight than a quality education? Social experiences can be had in many places other than conventional schools, but you only get one real shot at a quality elementary and secondary education. As a parent, I want to place my child in an environment with as few obstacles as possible to learning as much as possible. Anything less would be negligent, IMO...

I'm not talking about educational quality, my original argument was based solely on my opinion of social development between the two.
I agree that education always takes the front seat, totally. But that's not what I was contesting about it.

[Sarah]

In all of these groups, there is a range from the sublime to the ridiculous. Some do an amazing job and some are places no child should have to attend.

This is what I was saying earlier, there ARE good public schools! I went to "fundamental schools" for elementary and high school, and those plus my middle school were in good neighborhoods and had good reputations. Even other nearby high schools boasted IB programs and CA Distinguished labels and all that. Yes, there are some terrible public schools. To generalize about all public school based on the bad ones is somewhat ignorant.

[SteveForever]

Obviously I was never picked on? Everyone gets picked on going through school. You know what though, I got over it, yeah I spent many afternoons crying on my cat's belly absolutely miserable. But I knew that it was my decision to let it get to me or not. I was the perpetual "new kid" up until 7th grade. That in itself was rough. I didn't go to my prom, actually, I graduated early and traveled the country. I also didn't walk across the stage at my graduation either because I was producing a radio show on Saturdays by the time my class' graduation ceremony rolled around. Point being, live and let be, no one has a perfect walk through life, and we all have been made into fools by our peers. It should build strength of character, if you choose to let it. And there will always be bullies, always. Once again, it reverts to parenting, not schooling.

Wow, good post girl! I have a teenager and you are so right, everyone goes through
some of this and it hurts so bad. Your words meant a lot, thanks for sharing.

[conversationpc]

This is what I was saying earlier, there ARE good public schools! I went to "fundamental schools" for elementary and high school, and those plus my middle school were in good neighborhoods and had good reputations. Even other nearby high schools boasted IB programs and CA Distinguished labels and all that. Yes, there are some terrible public schools. To generalize about all public school based on the bad ones is somewhat ignorant.

By and large, government schools are not doing anywhere near as good a job as other types of schools. There's nothing ignorant about generalizing about that. It's a fact. You see stories about the failures of a large majority of public schools in the news every day. It's obvious that we have fallen behind most other industrialized countries. That's not ignorant at all.

[DrFU]

In all of these groups, there is a range from the sublime to the ridiculous. Some do an amazing job and some are places no child should have to attend.

This is what I was saying earlier, there ARE good public schools! I went to "fundamental schools" for elementary and high school, and those plus my middle school were in good neighborhoods and had good reputations. Even other nearby high schools boasted IB programs and CA Distinguished labels and all that. Yes, there are some terrible public schools. To generalize about all public school based on the bad ones is somewhat ignorant.

Agreed, Sarah.

For those interested in where some of the good ones are (from two groups with very different definitions of "good"):

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/challengeindex/

http://www2.edtrust.org/NR/rdonlyres/01 ... Change.pdf

[StoneCold]

:shock: My goodness how can you remember the name of these kids? 18 kids? Gimme a break. I only have 2 kids and sometimes they giving me some headaches, but of course they're fun most of the time.
Anyway meet the Duggar family.

Brad Pitt said they were shooting for a football team. This family already has two.

[Saint John]

I got my fucking tax statement not too long ago and was apphauled to find out that 80% of my real estate taxes (on 2 properties) goes to the Chicago Public Schools. Why the fuck am I paying for other peoples' kids to go to school? Or should I say to not go to school? Inner city public schools are nothing more than unorganized chaos. They need wardens rather than teachers. Let these motherfuckers foot the bill for their own kids. I'm tired of paying for the "education" of motherfuckers that are gonna wind up in a correctional facility.

[AlteredDNA]

I got my fucking tax statement not too long ago and was apphauled to find out that 80% of my real estate taxes (on 2 properties) goes to the Chicago Public Schools. Why the fuck am I paying for other peoples' kids to go to school? Or should I say to not go to school? Inner city public schools are nothing more than unorganized chaos. They need wardens rather than teachers. Let these motherfuckers foot the bill for their own kids. I'm tired of paying for the "education" of motherfuckers that are gonna wind up in a correctional facility.

This is why school vouchers should be allowed...

Disbanding the NEA would help as well, but that's a whole different topic...

[bluejeangirl76]

And the social aspect isn't only for those considered "cool". Life is what you make of it, you can choose to wallow in loneliness and outcasting or you can get out there and have fun with life. Even in high school. There are opportunities to be happy for everyone, regardless of "clique".

That's your view and I respect that, but obviously, you have never been picked on. Kind of hard to join a sports team when the others are trying to trip you, on purpose. Again, it's all about YOUR experience. Were you ever made fun of at your prom? How about being mocked and teased during the line up for high school graduation? I'm not saying life isn't what you make, but parents should teach their kids to leave other kids the heck alone.

Well, kids leaving other kids alone has nothing to do with where kids are schooled.
Homeschooling isn't supposed to be an avoidance technique. Everyone gets picked on or has kids they don't get along with. I did... my friends did. As my sister always says "There's a support group for that, it's called 'everyone' and we meet at the bar at 6." That's life, and every one of us deals with those things in some respect or another.

Seriously though, I can't speak directly to the effect of it, as I don't know anyone personally who was homeschooled, but socialization, friends, fun and keeping on par academically with the other kids would be among my concerns if it were my child. I think that was the point Rhi was making if I read her post correctly.

[StoneCold]

18? My God. Someone tell the lady that it's a vagina, not a clown car.

[bluejeangirl76]

Obviously I was never picked on? Everyone gets picked on going through school. You know what though, I got over it, yeah I spent many afternoons crying on my cat's belly absolutely miserable. But I knew that it was my decision to let it get to me or not. I was the perpetual "new kid" up until 7th grade. That in itself was rough. I didn't go to my prom, actually, I graduated early and traveled the country. I also didn't walk across the stage at my graduation either because I was producing a radio show on Saturdays by the time my class' graduation ceremony rolled around. Point being, live and let be, no one has a perfect walk through life, and we all have been made into fools by our peers. It should build strength of character, if you choose to let it. And there will always be bullies, always. Once again, it reverts to parenting, not schooling.

Whoops. I didn't see that before I went and spoke for you. But yes. Agreed.
It happens to everyone, and if it doesn't happen in school, and you go through 12 years of being the pickER instead of the pickEE, then it will almost certainly catch up to you because the ones who act like that as adults don't get tolerated for very long.

[Rhiannon]

Obviously I was never picked on? Everyone gets picked on going through school. You know what though, I got over it, yeah I spent many afternoons crying on my cat's belly absolutely miserable. But I knew that it was my decision to let it get to me or not. I was the perpetual "new kid" up until 7th grade. That in itself was rough. I didn't go to my prom, actually, I graduated early and traveled the country. I also didn't walk across the stage at my graduation either because I was producing a radio show on Saturdays by the time my class' graduation ceremony rolled around. Point being, live and let be, no one has a perfect walk through life, and we all have been made into fools by our peers. It should build strength of character, if you choose to let it. And there will always be bullies, always. Once again, it reverts to parenting, not schooling.

Whoops. I didn't see that before I went and spoke for you. But yes. Agreed.
It happens to everyone, and if it doesn't happen in school, and you go through 12 years of being the pickER instead of the pickEE, then it will almost certainly catch up to you because the ones who act like that as adults don't get tolerated for very long.

Word.

[piecesofeight]

I went to a public school, and enjoyed it very much. However, I wouldn't even consider any of the public schools around here today. Things have declined in the public school system at alarming rates - inept teachers, violence, etc... There is a reason why private, charter, and home schooling numbers are on the rise.

Many, if not all of the public school social activities can be experienced in other places, but a safe, challenging, and nurturing environment for learning must be the first priority of elementary and secondary education.

Eh, this is true. I attended high school in one of the greatest places to experience those years of your life.
But I attended about 14 different elementary schools in 7 states, so I know it does vary from place to place quite drastically. What I learned in 4th grade in one state, I was retaught in 6th grade in another state.

My argument against homeschooling has nothing to do with the educational quality, but the exposure to various experiences and memories that are typically associated with conventional schools.

I understand, but do you think exposure to these conventional school experiences should carry more weight than a quality education? Social experiences can be had in many places other than conventional schools, but you only get one real shot at a quality elementary and secondary education. As a parent, I want to place my child in an environment with as few obstacles as possible to learning as much as possible. Anything less would be negligent, IMO...

From kinder to 12th grade..I sent to a few different schools in a few different cities/states. Numerous different experiences because each one had a different social makeup.
Some really good..some really bad..I ended up in a great school in a great city/state for my 11th and 12th grade..it almost doesn't seem to matter today where you live or what school you go too..the stuff we are seeing on the news/youtube is happening in many diff environments..

What's also need about the Duggar's home schooling is that the older kids also learn more and remember more because they help the younger ones..in their case too..there are so many children around so it's not as much of a social solitude as it may be for a only child..although I believe they still have a right to participate in after school activities? Which some say would be tough because it's not when you go to school with those you play with..but it could seem not as different as joining a outside after school activity where they also don't go to school with those during the day.


It's a real honest scary thought to think of what is going on in schools today..and not just high school anymore..and not just basic pushing or bullying..and let's think of what goes on that no one wants to admit too..especially those who are getting the blunt end of it who are too embarassed to tell what is happening to them..

Again..everything the Duggar's are doing..they are really taking care of all the kids and protecting them..yet not so much where they aren't getting social skills because of all the kids.. but they do a lot of stuff with members of their church that aren't always showed on the shows..

[piecesofeight]

Seriously though, I can't speak directly to the effect of it, as I don't know anyone personally who was homeschooled, but socialization, friends, fun and keeping on par academically with the other kids would be among my concerns if it were my child. I think that was the point Rhi was making if I read her post correctly.

In the Duggar's case where there are so many kids and the ages are so different..they really are getting lots of social skills.
From what I understand the children are all quite smart..it's also pretty cool..they have something I believe called 'Duggar's Law' which basically is a set of rules the kids must go by at all times..things like you would expect..no hitting, lying, etc..

These reality shows are out to a lot of times show the bad side to what they are filming..and I am sure they would show some crap..if something happened when they were filming different times in the Duggar's life. I can only think one time where one of the little kids was crying because he couldn't go somewhere..and his buddy..the oldest kid/brother..stepped in and talked to him and all was fine..

Seriously..these kids are smart, healthy, energetic, bright, articulate, silly, they play, laugh..yet they know what chores are theirs and they do it..periods..amazing how organized all of it is and how well behaved the kids are! They are told to do something..they do it without question..yet it's not done in some like militant way..
I think it's because they see the way the others do it and they started out from a young age helping and they actually don't seem to mind..

The kids are learning a lot of good basic life skills and some trade things at a young age..they are learning how to to things and be responsible.

I love all of it..when they are on..I watch them just inthralled with all of it and how they do it..amazing watching all of them build the house..and the kids are all very beautiful people.

I think they are great..if there were more people like them in the world..a lot of the crap that goes on wouldn't.

You need to watch the shows and learn about them to realize it's not just woman and man having a ton of kids that they can't affored who are brats..no way at all..quite the opposite.

There are some other shows on about other parents who have a bunch of kids..and while they seem pretty okay too..they seem to do okay too..they also seem to struggle a little bit more financially and maybe aren't quite in the position to affored so many..I don't quite see them the say way as the Duggar's because at times it seems like maybe the others have bitten off more than they can hanlde.

The Duggar's handle everything about it so cool..

[piecesofeight]

:shock: My goodness how can you remember the name of these kids? 18 kids? Gimme a break. I only have 2 kids and sometimes they giving me some headaches, but of course they're fun most of the time.
Anyway meet the Duggar family.

Brad Pitt said they were shooting for a football team. This family already has two.

There they are..aren't they great..yep..there's the house they built on their own propertly.
Amazing what they ended up putting in those kitchens..especially the huge industrial like one..and what they paid for used stuff compared to new..and how good of shape the stuff was in..even their contractor friend couldn't believe what they paid for the stuff..

I believe that's one of their motto's..not much is bought new and I believe a lot of their grocery shopping is done at like Aldi's or place like that..
The knew food pantry is cool at the new house..the inside of that house and all that property is insane anyway..and to think they owe nothing..

[tj]

We have numerous friends with more than 6 children, one family with 12. Most, but not all, homeschool. They meet together frequently for field trips, sporting contests, and many of the other activities public andprivate schooled children do.

THere is a homeschool sports association which competes in soccer, basketball, swimming, football, baseball, softball, volleyball, tennis, track, golf and some other sports. A homeschool band, home school day at the state capitol, chorus and many of the other extracurricular activities found in public/private schools are available to home schoolers.

Some participate in co-ops, where parents with educational backgrounds in specific areas teach curriculum. A homeschool mother who is a nurse teaches a biology class. A father who was a college athlete teachs PE. Another mother with an English degree teaches English and grammar.

One friend of ours' oldest daughter was homeschooled. Upon completion of high school, she took the SAT and ACT tests. She was awarded a National Merit Scholarship (full 4 year tuition paid) to the University of Texas. She completed her degree in Nursing and was a Nurse until just recently when she had her first baby.

Not every homeschooler is this successful. Just like not every public school kid goes to prison. It starts with the parents and continues with their direct involvement in their kids' lives all through their lives.

[Michigan Girl]

We have numerous friends with more than 6 children, one family with 12. Most, but not all, homeschool. They meet together frequently for field trips, sporting contests, and many of the other activities public andprivate schooled children do.

THere is a homeschool sports association which competes in soccer, basketball, swimming, football, baseball, softball, volleyball, tennis, track, golf and some other sports. A homeschool band, home school day at the state capitol, chorus and many of the other extracurricular activities found in public/private schools are available to home schoolers.

Some participate in co-ops, where parents with educational backgrounds in specific areas teach curriculum. A homeschool mother who is a nurse teaches a biology class. A father who was a college athlete teachs PE. Another mother with an English degree teaches English and grammar.

One friend of ours' oldest daughter was homeschooled. Upon completion of high school, she took the SAT and ACT tests. She was awarded a National Merit Scholarship (full 4 year tuition paid) to the University of Texas. She completed her degree in Nursing and was a Nurse until just recently when she had her first baby.

Not every homeschooler is this successful. Just like not every public school kid goes to prison. It starts with the parents and continues with their direct involvement in their kids' lives all through their lives.

VERY nice story and I AGREE~COMPLETELY!!!

[sadie65]

I know several people who home school. I have a family member who home schools. All have well developed kids with good social skills. They have outside activities and several are taking college courses while being high school age.

However you choose to educate your child(ren) you need to take responsibility for them.

While I would not choose to raise 18 children, I do not see this family as being lacking in their ability to do so. I'd much rather see this situation than the one that continues to unfold in Austria.

Peace to all

[tj]

Flipping through the channels and the Duggars are on vacation from Arkansas to Disneyland in California with 1 kids right now. Not sure if it is on all around the world, but Discovery Health on Cox Digital Cable has it on right now at 2210 CST.

[Rip Rokken]

Flipping through the channels and the Duggars are on vacation from Arkansas to Disneyland in California with 1 kids right now. Not sure if it is on all around the world, but Discovery Health on Cox Digital Cable has it on right now at 2210 CST.

That's another thing that really turns me off to their situation -- all the publicity they enjoy soaking up about it. They even have a website. I'm sorry, but something just rubs me wrong there...

Hey, I'm glad they are a happy, close-knit family, and I don't want to take that away from them. But I've been around a lot of kids in some private schools that were sheltered like this, and they did not adjust well to the real world once they got out in it. Hope it's different for this lot.

[Angiekay]

Let's touch on another aspect of this for a moment. It's one thing to be physically and financially able to have kids, but what about socially responsible? They believe these are God's gifts, which I agree with, they also say they will keep on having kids until they can't anymore. The world is over six billion people as it is right now. A hundred or even 50 years ago, people had large families to help on the farm or with the family business. That scenario doesn't exsist much anymore. It just seems like they are having kids, just to have kids...because they physically CAN.

[scarygirl]

Homeschooling isn't supposed to be an avoidance technique

At the same time, if I have a kid and they are being horrendously picked on, we're talking being shoved, kicked, spit on, verbally abused, and I do nothing other than, hey kid, that happens to everyone, deal with it, I would be a bad mother. So if the school refuses to do their job, with the tax money I am paying them, hell , yeah, you can bet I would have no problem taking them out of school and placing them elsewhere.

[scarygirl]

That's your view and I respect that, but obviously, you have never been picked on. Kind of hard to join a sports team when the others are trying to trip you, on purpose. Again, it's all about YOUR experience. Were you ever made fun of at your prom? How about being mocked and teased during the line up for high school graduation? I'm not saying life isn't what you make, but parents should teach their kids to leave other kids the heck alone.

Obviously I was never picked on? Everyone gets picked on going through school. You know what though, I got over it, yeah I spent many afternoons crying on my cat's belly absolutely miserable. But I knew that it was my decision to let it get to me or not. I was the perpetual "new kid" up until 7th grade. That in itself was rough. I didn't go to my prom, actually, I graduated early and traveled the country. I also didn't walk across the stage at my graduation either because I was producing a radio show on Saturdays by the time my class' graduation ceremony rolled around. Point being, live and let be, no one has a perfect walk through life, and we all have been made into fools by our peers. It should build strength of character, if you choose to let it. And there will always be bullies, always.

Once again, it reverts to parenting, not schooling

.

There is a matter of severity. You say everyone gets picked on, but you mean to tell me there wasn't one kid in your school that everyone picked on, daily, from grade school to graduation, quite meanly, for sport? I don't buy it. Again, I say, you can only understand someone else's shoes unless you've been there.

Once again, it reverts to parenting, not schooling

Since parents are required by law to send their kids to school, then whoever is in charge of that school are acting like defacto parents, no? If it's a home school, it's the parents. If it's a public school, it's the administrator's and teachers. It's a school's job to correct kids when they lash out at others. It's also their job to provide a safe environment condusive to learning. A kid shouldn't have to go to school afraid for their personal being.

[Rip Rokken]

Let's touch on another aspect of this for a moment. It's one thing to be physically and financially able to have kids, but what about socially responsible? They believe these are God's gifts, which I agree with, they also say they will keep on having kids until they can't anymore. The world is over six billion people as it is right now. A hundred or even 50 years ago, people had large families to help on the farm or with the family business. That scenario doesn't exsist much anymore. It just seems like they are having kids, just to have kids...because they physically CAN.

I do have to admit that the current generation can use an infusion of responsible, respectful, God-fearing children who add to society instead of suck the life out of it. So maybe that's a benefit... they look like a wonderful bunch of kids. Still, I think the Duggars have turned themselves into a public attraction, and that always turns me off. If they were private about the whole thing and refused interviews and such, I would think differently.

[StevePerryHair]

Let's touch on another aspect of this for a moment. It's one thing to be physically and financially able to have kids, but what about socially responsible? They believe these are God's gifts, which I agree with, they also say they will keep on having kids until they can't anymore. The world is over six billion people as it is right now. A hundred or even 50 years ago, people had large families to help on the farm or with the family business. That scenario doesn't exsist much anymore. It just seems like they are having kids, just to have kids...because they physically CAN.

I do have to admit that the current generation can use an infusion of responsible, respectful, God-fearing children who add to society instead of suck the life out of it. So maybe that's a benefit... they look like a wonderful bunch of kids. Still, I think the Duggars have turned themselves into a public attraction, and that always turns me off. If they were private about the whole thing and refused interviews and such, I would think differently.

If they weren't public, you wouldnt' have to think differently cause you wouldn't know about them

[conversationpc]

Let's touch on another aspect of this for a moment. It's one thing to be physically and financially able to have kids, but what about socially responsible? They believe these are God's gifts, which I agree with, they also say they will keep on having kids until they can't anymore. The world is over six billion people as it is right now. A hundred or even 50 years ago, people had large families to help on the farm or with the family business. That scenario doesn't exsist much anymore. It just seems like they are having kids, just to have kids...because they physically CAN.

The earth is capable of sustaining a population much larger than it currently holds, so that's really not part of the issue.

I do have to admit that the current generation can use an infusion of responsible, respectful, God-fearing children who add to society instead of suck the life out of it. So maybe that's a benefit... they look like a wonderful bunch of kids. Still, I think the Duggars have turned themselves into a public attraction, and that always turns me off. If they were private about the whole thing and refused interviews and such, I would think differently.

In a time where most news about families is bad, the "public attraction" thing doesn't bother me at all since it's an actual positive story. I wish there were more like them.

[piecesofeight]

Let's touch on another aspect of this for a moment. It's one thing to be physically and financially able to have kids, but what about socially responsible? They believe these are God's gifts, which I agree with, they also say they will keep on having kids until they can't anymore. The world is over six billion people as it is right now. A hundred or even 50 years ago, people had large families to help on the farm or with the family business. That scenario doesn't exsist much anymore. It just seems like they are having kids, just to have kids...because they physically CAN.

The earth is capable of sustaining a population much larger than it currently holds, so that's really not part of the issue.

I do have to admit that the current generation can use an infusion of responsible, respectful, God-fearing children who add to society instead of suck the life out of it. So maybe that's a benefit... they look like a wonderful bunch of kids. Still, I think the Duggars have turned themselves into a public attraction, and that always turns me off. If they were private about the whole thing and refused interviews and such, I would think differently.

In a time where most news about families is bad, the "public attraction" thing doesn't bother me at all since it's an actual positive story. I wish there were more like them.

Exactly Dave..and it's not as if they are doing tons of shows all the time or have a series..of course they are going to do a few shows..once people catch on the interest is vast.
Of course they are going to have a web site..who doesn't..wow..and again..the interest is there..it's a way to answer some questions and they do get asked questions for some recipes..I have never thought of them as wanting attention..no matter how quite of a life they live..the attention is going to be there..I really don't see what they are doing wrong..not as if each married couple is only allowed to have a certain amount of children..
and with all the horrible family stories that get posted here..we finally have a neat one..yet that still isn't good enough..people are going to find something wrong with everything I guess..they are doing better in many ways than many are able to do with only one child..

[tj]

Homeschooling isn't supposed to be an avoidance technique

At the same time, if I have a kid and they are being horrendously picked on, we're talking being shoved, kicked, spit on, verbally abused, and I do nothing other than, hey kid, that happens to everyone, deal with it, I would be a bad mother. So if the school refuses to do their job, with the tax money I am paying them, hell , yeah, you can bet I would have no problem taking them out of school and placing them elsewhere.

A kid in a local town was beat up on the school bus home. Nice kid, Boy Scout, etc. Two bullies had been harrassing him for more than a year and finally attacked him on the bus. One was pounding on him and holding him down while the other held a cigarette lighter to his chin. The bus driver didn't stop or do anything about it. The bus had a camera and captured it on tape, but the school would not release the tape EVEN TO THE POLICE.

Finally, they police department had to get a subpeoana from a court to force the school district to hand over the tape. The two thugs have been charged with assault. The victim is now being homeschooled.