'Revelation': now a gold CD .......

[finalfight]

If there was a certain hermit fronting the band, there wouldn't be an issue with the Double CD count on album sales.

I'm certain on that.

True. Quality of the actual recording aside, I believe if this was a Perry or JSS fronted record there would likely be a mighty celebration about the gold status and the bargain price of the Revelation package. I don't think that the disdain shown by some about the album's status has anything to do with Arnel but rather everything to do with people begrudging the band success after what many perceive to be career missteps. As it happens Journey's 'bad' decisions turned out for the best and that seems to stick in some people's craws.

The band did good. The record IS gold. You don't have to like it but you do have to accept it.

[Matthew]

If there was a certain hermit fronting the band, there wouldn't be an issue with the Double CD count on album sales.

I'm certain on that.

Have you visited this forum before, Amaron? It's hardly Perryville around here....

[finalfight]

If there was a certain hermit fronting the band, there wouldn't be an issue with the Double CD count on album sales.

I'm certain on that.

Have you visited this forum before, Amaron? It's hardly Perryville around here....

In another thread you implied that Perry would have added an operatic flair to Turn Down That World tonight and that Arnel doesn't have the vocal power on the Revelation material that Perry would have so it's a fair point. It seems Perry is forever on some people's minds even on material he never touched.

It is nice to speculate on how a Perry fronted Revelations might have sounded though.

[Pelata]

Good gawd!!! People act like this "1=2" RIAA rule was invented just for Journey...it's been in effect for years and applies to all artists whose sales register with them...gtf over it. Debate it back and forth all you want, you're not changing anything...Journey still has a technically "Gold" album again for the first time in 12 years and there's nothing the bellyachres can do about it. I didn't even buy the album (don't want it) and I think all this crying about RIAA's "math" is stupid.

Also, as for royalties, I would wager that since Revelation is a direct license TO Wal-Mart BY the band that the band negotiated a bigger up front payout and a smaller royalty from Wal-Mart* seeing as how there was no guarantee of it selling this well. (*this does not count publishing royalty, which is paid out by a different source).

[conversationpc]

This whole thread is pretty funny.

Look, the album has gone gold. Deal with it. It happened. It doesn't matter if it's a low-priced multi-disk set. In my opinion, it's amazing that it even sold 250,000 copies considering Journey hasn't sold anywhere near that amount since TBF, when album sales were still pretty high for popular artists.

[Eric]

And, Arrival SHIPPED at less then gold...causing it to sell out quickly at reatail and not be available for purchase...a fact that even Kevin Shirley alluded to when he said Sony had their expectations and would not accept anything else.

I kinda am glad Revelations is counted twice just to make up for Arrival not getting its fair chance......silly as it may sound.

[BobbyinTN]

Some people wanted to see Journey fail. It's not hard to figure out. There are two (2) audio discs in the REVELATION package. If you'll notice, even the remakes are titled REVELATION, so for every sale you get TWO (2) 2 discs plus a DVD for the price of one. That means there are still double the amount of audio CDs sold.

I'm glad the guys are GOLD once again. They deserve it and Arnel deserves it.

[amaron]

If there was a certain hermit fronting the band, there wouldn't be an issue with the Double CD count on album sales.

I'm certain on that.

Have you visited this forum before, Amaron? It's hardly Perryville around here....

I've been here longer that YOU have. I am very confident in my knowledge of how this place works.

[Red13JoePa]

I love the duality of the "Disc 2 is superfluos/a waste/a piece of shit/an abortion/terrible/a pale imitation/a drink coaster" then when it comes to the discussion of units moved, it's "It's because of the songs on Disc 2!!!"


Horses asses

[AlteredDNA]

I love the duality of the "Disc 2 is superfluos/a waste/a piece of shit/an abortion/terrible/a pale imitation/a drink coaster" then when it comes to the discussion of units moved, it's "It's because of the songs on Disc 2!!!"


Horses asses

Gold-Deniers...

[Rhiannon]

I love the duality of the "Disc 2 is superfluos/a waste/a piece of shit/an abortion/terrible/a pale imitation/a drink coaster" then when it comes to the discussion of units moved, it's "It's because of the songs on Disc 2!!!"


Horses asses

Fab point.

[Tito]

Platinum is a given as well.

Due to the multiple Cd packaging....

Give it up. I reckon given the same deal and promotion through Walmart Revelation as a single disc package would have reached gold status within six months easily.

The fact that it is doing so well is the icing on the cake for a what has been a great 2008 thus far for the band.

Not that I'm trying to belittle the success of the new album, but do you think it would've done as well as quickly if it had been just the new album and not the DVD and the re-recorded greatest hits?

Yes, especially if it would've been cheaper.

[Tito]

Because it's not genuinely gold. 500,000 units were not sold. That means 500,000 people do not own this CD package. That means it didn't truly earn it's gold status. That means it has yet to equal let alone surpass previous album sales.

By this math, why not put together a disk package containing 10 disks with one song per disk next time? That way they can reach platinum status even though only 100,000 people will have paid for it. It's not honest math.

It wouldn't justify the cost. It's cheaper to do one CD.

[Saint John]

A little song for the Soto/Augeri supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_65LLafsa9g

[youkeepmewaiting]

A little song for the Soto/Augeri supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_65LLafsa9g

Or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSq8ZBdSxNU

[Tito]

Course, I haven't bought one yet...I'll let you know why I did it when I do!!!!

What the hell is your problem. Go get one!

[Tito]

Good God Almighty,
why does anyone really give a shit if
it goes Gold, Platnum or straight up tanks???

Last I checked, no one one this board is getting
royalty checks. And hell, you got your copy, I got
my copy, we're listening to it, we're happy/not-so-happy...

Who the fuck really cares what status it reaches???

Technically not true. I think Jeremey is getting something for Never Walk Away. If Journey members are really on here, I know they are getting dough too.

[Saint John]

Great...now we're not supposed to celebrate Gold and Platinum albums by our favorite band. Years of listening to music that simply doesn't sell for whatever reason (perhaps because no one likes it ) has desensitized some of us. This is really an amazing feat, all things considered. The accolades for the success of this album are well deserved.

[Red13JoePa]

Nope.
It's bogus, SJ.

They're double-counting the sales (of a 3 disc package). It's been mass-marketed at gunpoint to walmart shoppers and Generations forum members and Phillipinos (who are flying over here for this express purpose, btw) are each buying 10 copies.
No fair, cheating.

[Saint John]

lol...Tall Stories.

[Rick]

Great...now we're not supposed to celebrate Gold and Platinum albums by our favorite band. Years of listening to music that simply doesn't sell for whatever reason (perhaps because no one likes it ) has desensitized some of us. This is really an amazing feat, all things considered. The accolades for the success of this album are well deserved.

I don't get the argument. 500,000 music discs were sold. That qualifies as Gold.

[Saint John]

Great...now we're not supposed to celebrate Gold and Platinum albums by our favorite band. Years of listening to music that simply doesn't sell for whatever reason (perhaps because no one likes it ) has desensitized some of us. This is really an amazing feat, all things considered. The accolades for the success of this album are well deserved.

I don't get the argument. 500,000 music discs were sold. That qualifies as Gold.

Seems pretty simple to most of us, Rick! The haters are just holding on to whatever they can at this point. 4 weeks of excuses...lol. I'm actually looking forward to week 5's excuses more so than the album sales!!!

[Carlitto H@kk]

Great...now we're not supposed to celebrate Gold and Platinum albums by our favorite band. Years of listening to music that simply doesn't sell for whatever reason (perhaps because no one likes it ) has desensitized some of us. This is really an amazing feat, all things considered. The accolades for the success of this album are well deserved.

Yea, it's great. The band is on the charts and making a splash in the
mainstream media again. Agreed.

But again, to sit here and bitch about the "status" of the album
and whether it's legit or worthy...

ridiculous.

[Saint John]

Great...now we're not supposed to celebrate Gold and Platinum albums by our favorite band. Years of listening to music that simply doesn't sell for whatever reason (perhaps because no one likes it ) has desensitized some of us. This is really an amazing feat, all things considered. The accolades for the success of this album are well deserved.

Yea, it's great. The band is on the charts and making a splash in the
mainstream media again. Agreed.

But again, to sit here and bitch about the "status" of the album
and whether it's legit or worthy...

ridiculous.

Agreed. And perhaps Tito should start a "Revelation Goes Gold Appreciation Thread?"

[separate_wayz]

This is really an amazing feat, all things considered. The accolades for the success of this album are well deserved.

Amazing feat indeed.

Considering Journey's lead singer turnover (Perry ---> Augeri ---> Jeff Scott Soto ---> Pineda), the loss of their long-time label (Sony), the succession of non-charting albums (Arrival ---> Red13 ---> Generations), the age of the band, the overall decline in album-oriented rock, and the major changes in the music industry (re: downloads overtaking CD sales, etc.), the fact that Journey has a gold-album -- that will likely go to platinum -- is nothing short of amazing. A lot of bands would have called it quits a long time ago.

It's a testament to the band's legacy, the band-members' musicianship, the quality of the music, the hard work of Journey (especially throughout the often-difficult years from 2002-2007), and the dedication of the fans.

I'll save my comments about the album itself for the review thread, but I am very, very happy for Journey's apparent commercial (even critical) success.

[amaron]

This is really an amazing feat, all things considered. The accolades for the success of this album are well deserved.

Amazing feat indeed.

Considering Journey's lead singer turnover (Perry ---> Augeri ---> Jeff Scott Soto ---> Pineda), the loss of their long-time label (Sony), the succession of non-charting albums (Arrival ---> Red13 ---> Generations), the age of the band, the overall decline in album-oriented rock, and the major changes in the music industry (re: downloads overtaking CD sales, etc.), the fact that Journey has a gold-album -- that will likely go to platinum -- is nothing short of amazing. A lot of bands would have called it quits a long time ago.

It's a testament to the band's legacy, the band-members' musicianship, the quality of the music, the hard work of Journey (especially throughout the often-difficult years from 2002-2007), and the dedication of the fans.

I'll save my comments about the album itself for the review thread, but I am very, very happy for Journey's apparent commercial (even critical) success.

Except Arrival DID chart.

[separate_wayz]

This is really an amazing feat, all things considered. The accolades for the success of this album are well deserved.

Amazing feat indeed.

Considering Journey's lead singer turnover (Perry ---> Augeri ---> Jeff Scott Soto ---> Pineda), the loss of their long-time label (Sony), the succession of non-charting albums (Arrival ---> Red13 ---> Generations), the age of the band, the overall decline in album-oriented rock, and the major changes in the music industry (re: downloads overtaking CD sales, etc.), the fact that Journey has a gold-album -- that will likely go to platinum -- is nothing short of amazing. A lot of bands would have called it quits a long time ago.

It's a testament to the band's legacy, the band-members' musicianship, the quality of the music, the hard work of Journey (especially throughout the often-difficult years from 2002-2007), and the dedication of the fans.

I'll save my comments about the album itself for the review thread, but I am very, very happy for Journey's apparent commercial (even critical) success.

Except Arrival DID chart.

You're right, and I stand corrected -- I should have said "albums the didn't go gold or platinum". The album and two (?) singles charted (right? "All the Way" and "Higher Place"?), but the album never achieved the coveted RIAA-certified gold/platinum status. Unfortunate.

[Saint John]

The commercial success of this album is far more important than just "the numbers." I think it has all but guaranteed that Arnel will be doing at least one more album with the band. Word on the street is that we can expect something as soon as Fall of next year. That's what I'm excited about more than anything...the thought of these guys continuing to make new music.

[Michigan Girl]

Course, I haven't bought one yet...I'll let you know why I did it when I do!!!!

What the hell is your problem. Go get one!

In MY time!!!

[Rick]

Course, I haven't bought one yet...I'll let you know why I did it when I do!!!!

What the hell is your problem. Go get one!

In MY time!!!

Reminds me of our cat. He isn't going to do one thing until he's good and ready.