The Journey Board

[Behshad]

Tito,
do you HAVE to turn this topic to another anti JSS topic?

a lot = more than you think... Move on...

[Saint John]

Tito,
JSS was not a touchy issue till you showed up here.

That's bullshit. I got glued and tattooed for doing nothing more than stating facts and figures. I could report attendance statistics from the San Francisco and Paladino's show, but I'll refrain. I won that war a long time ago. I just knew there was a reason there were no crowd shots and no one spoke about attendance, but I guarantee if I do it'll be considered "bashing."

We are never gonna stop show our support for him and we will do it in your face to you and those who put him and his hard work down.

As is your right to do so. Just try to stop embarrassing yourselves and using his name along side of Perry's, Gramm's, Jamison's, Mercury's and Cronin's. Again, no one "put him and his hard work down." We stated facts and figures...whether they be concert attendance, album sales and/or chart hits. You guys didn't like the medicine you were being served and resorted to calling it "bashing." It's not...it's called factual analysis.

Also,,, if you wanna have any kind of apprecition threads, follow your own suggestion and do it, way down the board where no one goes,,, maybe that will get some traffic there after all ....

I know 2 places that could have used "traffic" last weekend, but I'll keep my mouth shut.

[Matthew]

I'd say that about 90% of the regular contributors to this forum have good things to say about JSS....

[SusieP]

JSS may well have his own section on this board, but he was a member of Journey, whether you accept that or not - and during his brief tenure, he won a lot of people over. It is only human nature that he will be discussed here as well as in the section devoted to his solo projects.

Please define "a lot."

There you go - that reply is precisely what I mean.
Sarcasm. Without humour.

I don't have the details of precisely how many seats there are at the various venues Journey played in Europe last year - but I would say they hold 'a lot' of people.
We were expecting SA. We got JSS. The audiences I was a member of looked 'won over' to me.

[Lora]

Again, here was the remaining list (in no particular order):

Deen Castronovo
Gregg Rolie
Randy Jackson and Mike Baird
Steve Augeri
Steve Smith
Irving Azoff
Pat Morrow, Wolfman Black, Villenuevas, Kevin Elson, Chris "Snow is Real" Turner, etc. (Nightmare, Inc.)
Aynsley Dunbar
Steve Perry
Sherry Swafford
Cyndy Poon and Lora Beard (might have gone in Nightmare, Inc. appreciation thread)
Tommy "Mugs" Cain
Arnel Pineda
Andrew J. McNeice
Neal Schon
The fans

If you had started an appreciate thread for me, I would have had to kill you.

[Tito]

Again, here was the remaining list (in no particular order):

Deen Castronovo
Gregg Rolie
Randy Jackson and Mike Baird
Steve Augeri
Steve Smith
Irving Azoff
Pat Morrow, Wolfman Black, Villenuevas, Kevin Elson, Chris "Snow is Real" Turner, etc. (Nightmare, Inc.)
Aynsley Dunbar
Steve Perry
Sherry Swafford
Cyndy Poon and Lora Beard (might have gone in Nightmare, Inc. appreciation thread)
Tommy "Mugs" Cain
Arnel Pineda
Andrew J. McNeice
Neal Schon
The fans

If you had started an appreciate thread for me, I would have had to kill you.

[Saint John]

Again, here was the remaining list (in no particular order):

Deen Castronovo
Gregg Rolie
Randy Jackson and Mike Baird
Steve Augeri
Steve Smith
Irving Azoff
Pat Morrow, Wolfman Black, Villenuevas, Kevin Elson, Chris "Snow is Real" Turner, etc. (Nightmare, Inc.)
Aynsley Dunbar
Steve Perry
Sherry Swafford
Cyndy Poon and Lora Beard (might have gone in Nightmare, Inc. appreciation thread)
Tommy "Mugs" Cain
Arnel Pineda
Andrew J. McNeice
Neal Schon
The fans

If you had started an appreciate thread for me, I would have had to kill you.

Damn, Tito, I don't see a or a anywhere in that post!!!

[SusieP]

Tito,
do you HAVE to turn this topic to another anti JSS topic?

a lot = more than you think... Move on...

To be fair, Tito didn't post only about JSS, it was me who picked out that point.
He may not be on my Christmas card list yet, but fair's fair.

[Onestepper]

JSS may well have his own section on this board, but he was a member of Journey, whether you accept that or not - and during his brief tenure, he won a lot of people over. It is only human nature that he will be discussed here as well as in the section devoted to his solo projects.

Please define "a lot."

There you go - that reply is precisely what I mean.
Sarcasm. Without humour.

I don't have the details of precisely how many seats there are at the various venues Journey played in Europe last year - but I would say they hold 'a lot' of people.
We were expecting SA. We got JSS. The audiences I was a member of looked 'won over' to me.

And I was at a show that a lot of the audience was pissed because there was a guy up there singing who didn't sound like the guy that replaced Perry. What does it prove? Nothing.

[Behshad]

Saint John,
you started your anti JSS posts right around the same time that your hotbed bud Tito joined here.

youre correct , you were stating the facts , but when you start stating the same facts over and over again then it IS bashing.

did you also think that not all great artists have to sell millions of albums just the same as all million selling artists arent great...

last...like it or not , JSS saved your band. Had he not stepped in and helped them out, they wouldve quit right then and there...

[SusieP]

JSS may well have his own section on this board, but he was a member of Journey, whether you accept that or not - and during his brief tenure, he won a lot of people over. It is only human nature that he will be discussed here as well as in the section devoted to his solo projects.

Please define "a lot."

There you go - that reply is precisely what I mean.
Sarcasm. Without humour.

I don't have the details of precisely how many seats there are at the various venues Journey played in Europe last year - but I would say they hold 'a lot' of people.
We were expecting SA. We got JSS. The audiences I was a member of looked 'won over' to me.

And I was at a show that a lot of the audience was pissed because there was a guy up there singing who didn't sound like the guy that replaced Perry. What does it prove? Nothing.

It proves that you can define "a lot"

[Onestepper]

JSS may well have his own section on this board, but he was a member of Journey, whether you accept that or not - and during his brief tenure, he won a lot of people over. It is only human nature that he will be discussed here as well as in the section devoted to his solo projects.

Please define "a lot."

There you go - that reply is precisely what I mean.
Sarcasm. Without humour.

I don't have the details of precisely how many seats there are at the various venues Journey played in Europe last year - but I would say they hold 'a lot' of people.
We were expecting SA. We got JSS. The audiences I was a member of looked 'won over' to me.

And I was at a show that a lot of the audience was pissed because there was a guy up there singing who didn't sound like the guy that replaced Perry. What does it prove? Nothing.

It proves that you can define "a lot"

I can also twist a cherry stem with my tongue. I'm good like that.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

blah blah blah y'all. did ya listen to Night Flower or not???

I was not through 'appreciating" Ross so help me out and give a listen.

Howie Simon has a new video lesson up at FPE-TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM7ZkxcjeVs

if we are going to hijack, let's be constructive at least!!

and oh BTW, dang.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91Lx_7guoc

topic................

oh, i guess HS is off topic but so is jss arguing. quit. move on.

[SusieP]

JSS may well have his own section on this board, but he was a member of Journey, whether you accept that or not - and during his brief tenure, he won a lot of people over. It is only human nature that he will be discussed here as well as in the section devoted to his solo projects.

Please define "a lot."

There you go - that reply is precisely what I mean.
Sarcasm. Without humour.

I don't have the details of precisely how many seats there are at the various venues Journey played in Europe last year - but I would say they hold 'a lot' of people.
We were expecting SA. We got JSS. The audiences I was a member of looked 'won over' to me.

And I was at a show that a lot of the audience was pissed because there was a guy up there singing who didn't sound like the guy that replaced Perry. What does it prove? Nothing.

It proves that you can define "a lot"

I can also twist a cherry stem with my tongue. I'm good like that.

I have NO answer to that!

I think between us we covered two thirds of the audience who saw JSS.
One third won over by him.
One third pissed off that he didn't sound like Perry.
...............and the other third thinking, "where the hell IS Perry?"

Catch ya later. I'm going to buy some cherries.

[RedWingFan]

Saint John,
you started your anti JSS posts right around the same time that your hotbed bud Tito joined here.

youre correct , you were stating the facts , but when you start stating the same facts over and over again then it IS bashing.

did you also think that not all great artists have to sell millions of albums just the same as all million selling artists arent great...

last...like it or not , JSS saved your band. Had he not stepped in and helped them out, they wouldve quit right then and there...

So you're saying SJ is right?
I don't think he ever set out on pointing out the facts repeatedly. It's only in response to JSS fans posts. SJ's 100% on the mark with his posts. I see bashing as relentless name calling and bullying. Not stating facts.

[Deb]

Tito,
JSS was not a touchy issue till you showed up here.

That's bullshit. I got glued and tattooed for doing nothing more than stating facts and figures. I could report attendance statistics from the San Francisco and Paladino's show, but I'll refrain. I won that war a long time ago. I just knew there was a reason there were no crowd shots and no one spoke about attendance, but I guarantee if I do it'll be considered "bashing."

Like you would have a clue what the attendance was in SF or Paladino's, you weren't there. You and your f*cking statics! I'm still trying to figure out what point you are trying to get across by stating that JSS hasn't sold millions yet and isn't playing arenas....over and over and over again??? Journey's playing casino's in Canada........casino's, clubs, what's the difference? So are the Jamisons and Emmetts.....still just as talented and they aren't selling the #s either. Don't see you quoting their #s now though. Like I said before, fame and talent are 2 totally different things. You can be famous for doing nothing. Paris Hilton's presence would probably sell out a club faster than JSS.......does that make her better or more talented??? Ya right. No, just more famous. If it's all about numbers and statistics for you, then by all means enjoy your (famous) music/shows and I'll enjoy my (talented) music/shows.

Darn it B, where is that little smilie, that has the big FU hand!

[Saint John]

Saint John,
you started your anti JSS posts right around the same time that your hotbed bud Tito joined here.

Incorrect. I already had a lot of people calling me a basher and even Soto himself disliked me as long as 8 months ago for stating the cold hard facts.

youre correct , you were stating the facts , but when you start stating the same facts over and over again then it IS bashing.

Boring? Maybe. Bashing? Never. I simply broke out the facts every time he was put in company he simply didn't belong with. While I may have been guilty of truth telling, it pales in comparison to being delusional with my comparisons.

did you also think that not all great artists have to sell millions of albums just the same as all million selling artists arent great...

No, actually I didn't. That's what makes you great for the most part...the fact that everyone loves your work so much that they buy it up. And while certainly not everyone that sells millions of albums is great I'll submit to you that neither is someone that has been around for 20+ years with no hits, no radio play and no ability to tour domestically.

last...like it or not , JSS saved your band. Had he not stepped in and helped them out, they wouldve quit right then and there...

He did a fine job filling in. I have always said that. He was the logical choice as he had a relationship with Neal. What made him so impressive was doing it on such short notice. However, had they been given time they could have found any one of a handful of other artists to do an equally good job. He was a short term solution...nothing else. Some here have known that all along. You know who you are.

[Onestepper]

Tito,
JSS was not a touchy issue till you showed up here.

That's bullshit. I got glued and tattooed for doing nothing more than stating facts and figures. I could report attendance statistics from the San Francisco and Paladino's show, but I'll refrain. I won that war a long time ago. I just knew there was a reason there were no crowd shots and no one spoke about attendance, but I guarantee if I do it'll be considered "bashing."

Like you would have a clue what the attendance was in SF or Paladino's, you weren't there. You and your f*cking statics! I'm still trying to figure out what point you are trying to get across by stating that JSS hasn't sold millions yet and isn't playing arenas....over and over and over again??? Journey's playing casino's in Canada........casino's, clubs, what's the difference? So are the Jamisons and Emmetts.....still just as talented and they aren't selling the #s either. Don't see you quoting their #s now though. Like I said before fame and talent are 2 totally different things. You can be famous for doing nothing. Paris Hilton's presence would probably sell out a club faster than JSS.......does that make her better or more talented??? Ya right. No, just more famous. If it's all about numbers and statistics for you, then by all means enjoy your (famous) music/shows and I'll enjoy my (talented) music/shows.

Darn it B, where is that little smilie, that has the big FU hand!

Why don't we talk when Testify goes Platinum. MMMMKay???

[Deb]

Tito,
JSS was not a touchy issue till you showed up here.

That's bullshit. I got glued and tattooed for doing nothing more than stating facts and figures. I could report attendance statistics from the San Francisco and Paladino's show, but I'll refrain. I won that war a long time ago. I just knew there was a reason there were no crowd shots and no one spoke about attendance, but I guarantee if I do it'll be considered "bashing."

Like you would have a clue what the attendance was in SF or Paladino's, you weren't there. You and your f*cking statics! I'm still trying to figure out what point you are trying to get across by stating that JSS hasn't sold millions yet and isn't playing arenas....over and over and over again??? Journey's playing casino's in Canada........casino's, clubs, what's the difference? So are the Jamisons and Emmetts.....still just as talented and they aren't selling the #s either. Don't see you quoting their #s now though. Like I said before fame and talent are 2 totally different things. You can be famous for doing nothing. Paris Hilton's presence would probably sell out a club faster than JSS.......does that make her better or more talented??? Ya right. No, just more famous. If it's all about numbers and statistics for you, then by all means enjoy your (famous) music/shows and I'll enjoy my (talented) music/shows.

Darn it B, where is that little smilie, that has the big FU hand!

Why don't we talk when Testify goes Platinum. MMMMKay???

You totally missed the point of my post. For some fans their musical preferences aren't about #s and whats popular. All 3 of my favorite singers aren't selling millions right now.....doesn't matter to me, I still prefer their voices to most of the ones that are right now.

I simply broke out the facts every time he was put in company he simply didn't belong with. While I may have been guilty of truth telling, it pales in comparison to being delusional in comaparison.

And thats "in your opinion". Who are you to say what singers belong in who's company? I don't agree on many of your singers, but I'm not going to slag them, just cuz.

[RedWingFan]

And thats "in your opinion". Who are you to say what singers belong in who's company? I don't agree on many of your singers, but I'm not going to slag them, just cuz.

Not just opinion. It's in #'s too. If I were to say that the Red Wings' Greg Stefan was just as good a goaltender as Mike Vernon? You'd laugh your ass off. And rightfully so!

[Behshad]

Saint John,
you started your anti JSS posts right around the same time that your hotbed bud Tito joined here.

Incorrect. I already had a lot of people calling me a basher and even Soto himself disliked me as long as 8 months ago for stating the cold hard facts.

youre correct , you were stating the facts , but when you start stating the same facts over and over again then it IS bashing.

Boring? Maybe. Bashing? Never. I simply broke out the facts every time he was put in company he simply didn't belong with. While I may have been guilty of truth telling, it pales in comparison to being delusional in comaparison.

did you also think that not all great artists have to sell millions of albums just the same as all million selling artists arent great...

No, actually I didn't. That's what makes you great for the most part...the fact that everyone loves your work so much that they buy it up. And while certainly not everyone that sells millions of albums is great I'll submit to you that neither is someone that has been around for 20+ years with no hits, no radio play and no ability to tour domestically.

last...like it or not , JSS saved your band. Had he not stepped in and helped them out, they wouldve quit right then and there...

He did a fine job filling in. I have always said that. He was the logical choice as he had a relationship with Neal. What made him so impressive was doing it on such short notice. However, had they been given time they could have found any one of a handful of other artists to do an equally good job. He was a short term solution...nothing else. Some here have known that all along. You know who you are.

* You didnt say anything to this extreme about Jeff untill Tito joined you and THATS A FACT

* Unlike you, I dont listen to music BECAUSE it is popular. I listen to it because its good. I dont have to have your opinion or others to enjoy good music. I decide it base don what I like , not based on the top 10 list of southern Chicago ... Radio play means shit to me, cause 90% of the radio stuff today is SHIT.....


* Jeff was not just a temporary fix, like you think he was. He was hired to finish the tour and later on approached and announced at the NEW SINGER. You come with your insider info you get from Susie, but for the real answers you will never be close enough to the band to state your fake facts and "you know who you are", deano-wannabe statements.

*If youre trying to prove a point that Jeff isnt as popular as Journey, its a no-brainer..... but I can guarantee you that his fans are more loyal to him than Journey fans ever will be to Journey and thats ANOTHER FACT for you. You see, when I go to a show with 200 people there to see Jeff, they are all true Jeff fans and theyre all there to see him,,, and they know all his songs and they know all about him,,,,,, when you go to a Journey show, with lets say 20.000,,,, 19000 of those people show up there just to party and have some fun,,,, just like they were there the last week for band X and next week for Band Y.......only a 1000 will show up there for the BANDS i and out of that a third of it is true Journey fans,,,,,


Now , you have made your points clear to all of us regarding where Jeff stands, in your opinon, backed by all your facts. But anytime you bring it up, just know that we will respond. Its simple...... You go back in this very thread and see how and why Jeff was brought up and by whom. If you start it, We'll finish it for you. And thats your final fact for today.


As far as mockin a left over board of Deans traffic,,,, dude , I dont keep it around for traffic,,,, its there for people to talk freely about things they like to,,,,, you couldnt take it cause you knew that it was gonna be to heated for you to exist there without your Tito.....

[Saint John]

Like you would have a clue what the attendance was in SF or Paladino's, you weren't there.

I wasn't at fucking Woodstock either, but I know how many people were. That was a really dumb comment, Deb

You and your f*cking statics

I'm still trying to figure out what point you are trying to get across by stating that JSS hasn't sold millions yet and isn't playing arenas....over and over and over again???

That he's not popular...even a little bit.

Journey's playing casino's in Canada........casino's, clubs, what's the difference?

Casinos pay well that's why they're doing them. As for the rest of the tour what's 15,000 people minus 20 people?

So are the Jamisons and Emmetts.....still just as talented and they aren't selling the #s either. Don't see you quoting their #s now though.

Fine. Millions of albums sold, tons of radio play, chart topping albums and unbelievably successful bands. Where does Soto fit in there? Those guys are far more talented...not "just as talented."

Like I said before, fame and talent are 2 totally different things.

Ultimately, they usually go hand in hand. Again, not everyone that is famous is talented, but I find it hard to believe that a guy that has had more breaks than the skier on the intro to Wide World Of Sports and can't tour in the U.S. is as talented as you guys purport him to be.

[S2M]

Tito,
JSS was not a touchy issue till you showed up here.

That's bullshit. I got glued and tattooed for doing nothing more than stating facts and figures. I could report attendance statistics from the San Francisco and Paladino's show, but I'll refrain. I won that war a long time ago. I just knew there was a reason there were no crowd shots and no one spoke about attendance, but I guarantee if I do it'll be considered "bashing."

Like you would have a clue what the attendance was in SF or Paladino's, you weren't there. You and your f*cking statics! I'm still trying to figure out what point you are trying to get across by stating that JSS hasn't sold millions yet and isn't playing arenas....over and over and over again??? Journey's playing casino's in Canada........casino's, clubs, what's the difference? So are the Jamisons and Emmetts.....still just as talented and they aren't selling the #s either. Don't see you quoting their #s now though. Like I said before fame and talent are 2 totally different things. You can be famous for doing nothing. Paris Hilton's presence would probably sell out a club faster than JSS.......does that make her better or more talented??? Ya right. No, just more famous. If it's all about numbers and statistics for you, then by all means enjoy your (famous) music/shows and I'll enjoy my (talented) music/shows.

Darn it B, where is that little smilie, that has the big FU hand!

Why don't we talk when Testify goes Platinum. MMMMKay???

I submit to you right here and now that 90% of the folks here new NOTHING of JSS before he joined Journey.....

[Onestepper]

And thats "in your opinion". Who are you to say what singers belong in who's company? I don't agree on many of your singers, but I'm not going to slag them, just cuz.

Not just opinion. It's in #'s too. If I were to say that the Red Wings' Greg Stefan was just as good a goaltender as Mike Vernon? You'd laugh your ass off. And rightfully so!

I just wish Chris Osgood could have learned to stand on his head when he was in St. Louis.

[Behshad]

I think the post above by Saint John may have been posted with a little help from Stevew2.... learn how to quote [/quote]

[Onestepper]

Tito,
JSS was not a touchy issue till you showed up here.

That's bullshit. I got glued and tattooed for doing nothing more than stating facts and figures. I could report attendance statistics from the San Francisco and Paladino's show, but I'll refrain. I won that war a long time ago. I just knew there was a reason there were no crowd shots and no one spoke about attendance, but I guarantee if I do it'll be considered "bashing."

Like you would have a clue what the attendance was in SF or Paladino's, you weren't there. You and your f*cking statics! I'm still trying to figure out what point you are trying to get across by stating that JSS hasn't sold millions yet and isn't playing arenas....over and over and over again??? Journey's playing casino's in Canada........casino's, clubs, what's the difference? So are the Jamisons and Emmetts.....still just as talented and they aren't selling the #s either. Don't see you quoting their #s now though. Like I said before fame and talent are 2 totally different things. You can be famous for doing nothing. Paris Hilton's presence would probably sell out a club faster than JSS.......does that make her better or more talented??? Ya right. No, just more famous. If it's all about numbers and statistics for you, then by all means enjoy your (famous) music/shows and I'll enjoy my (talented) music/shows.

Darn it B, where is that little smilie, that has the big FU hand!

Why don't we talk when Testify goes Platinum. MMMMKay???

I submit to you right here and now that 90% of the folks here new NOTHING of JSS before he joined Journey.....

His name was somewhat familiar because he played in a band with NS previously, but couldn't have picked him out of a lineup if I had to. And I'm not slamming on the guy. That's what some on here seem to think when you point out something they don't view as glowing, that you are somehow slamming him. Strange logic.

[Deb]

And thats "in your opinion". Who are you to say what singers belong in who's company? I don't agree on many of your singers, but I'm not going to slag them, just cuz.

Not just opinion. It's in #'s too. If I were to say that the Red Wings' Greg Stefan was just as good a goaltender as Mike Vernon? You'd laugh your ass off. And rightfully so!

Mike Vernon? Funny you should mention him, he was chosen over my brother-in-law for goalie to move up to the league. LOL oh well, next generation is working on it. MV was a great goaltender though. But singing is more subjective than goaltending. Some people can totally dig a voice and others can hate it. Just as some totally crappy singers can sell millions, some great singers haven't. Goaltending.......you either get the goal or you don't.

[RedWingFan]

And thats "in your opinion". Who are you to say what singers belong in who's company? I don't agree on many of your singers, but I'm not going to slag them, just cuz.

Not just opinion. It's in #'s too. If I were to say that the Red Wings' Greg Stefan was just as good a goaltender as Mike Vernon? You'd laugh your ass off. And rightfully so!

I just wish Chris Osgood could have learned to stand on his head when he was in St. Louis.

Ozzie's a great goalie! He played well for the Blues, just not much around him there.

[wednesday's child]

Andrew,
Sorry, but I don't think it makes sense to me.

That's a double standard for silliness.
Silly homosexual innuendo against individual Journey members is okay,
but just-as-silly appreciation for the same folks is verboten?
(Unless it's coming from the Loons, LOL..)

For what it's worth, I don't think Drew has ever forbidden "appreciation threads".

The words of Andrew's opening post on this thread notwithstanding,
he HAS actually locked at least one down, on principle of BEING so appreciative:
Ross Valory Appreciation Thread
and if a site-owner's action isn't indicative of policy, then hey *shrug*. There was nothing stopping
negative comment on Ross' playing/humor/skincare from surfacing there, or in its own threads.

He has locked another thread down, apparently on principle of being as-syrupy silly:
Fun Forum Game,
which I, from a personal standpoint, supported because I thought it was trivial, unrelated to Journey,
and a potential bandwidth hog, (the board is not unfamiliar with bandwidth issues, no?) although I must admit,
the interlude soon had me wondering where that would leave the venerable "Single Word Thread", or
"The 2008 MR Forum Member Photo Gallery", and a host of other such non-Journey-related silliness.
The sense of community here would suffer if all silliness was to be discouraged.

Silly homosexual innuendo against individual Journey members is okay,

Actually it's not. I have asked those comments to stop and I trust they will.

Well, that's a bit of a dodge, Andrew.
"Those comments" seem to have been able to prosper here for quite some time.
These appreciation threads however, seem to have earned intervention far more quickly.

As you claimed at the start of this thread, MR is "a place where folks could say how they
really felt about this band and other topics, without fear of being closed down because
you weren't a cheerleader for the band."

Organizing forum members to buy quantities of Revelation in excess of personal need,
just to attain gold/platinum status for the album --now THAT is cheerleading, and I don't
think that sort of fluff has ever prospered here, nor ever can.

The board has indeed been shifting towards a positive sentiment towards Journey.
That isn't a problem, because the critical members of the forum seem just as critical
as before --they just see a decent album, a recharged band, and are appreciative of it.
Is your Revelation review to be dismissed just because it was positive?
Because you, errr ... "appreciated" it? Nuh-uh....

We've expressed negative criticism in both a serious and a silly manner, and while the latter
mode can lead to misinterpretation, this place wouldn't have the sense of community it enjoys
without some silliness.

So, why can't that same silliness attend the expression of positive criticism? of appreciation?
You can trust your board's members to hammer any real cheerleaders into a more critical
mode of appreciation; to drop-kick some sense into their giddy little heads.

Your board's quality and identity goes beyond being a mere antithesis of some other,
and I think it doesn't need to keep referencing some sad baseline to define itself.
Its qualities speak for itself. Be proud of it, and don't think so little of its durability.

Hey, you asked for comment.
I'm done.

-wech.

[Tito]

Point of parliamentary procedure. I would just like to make clear, I did NOT start this dust up in any way shape or form. However, I would like to point out that this latest dust up does prove my second point I brought up before (particularly the last sentence):

"2. Now the touchy subject that is Jeff Scott Soto and this kind of goes along with point 1 above. I understand he is a former member of the band, BUT he has his own forum two doors down. So, I think anything about him should go there. I would say the same thing about any former member of the band who had their own forum. They do not, Soto does. So, I would suggest all Soto topics be placed there and any other former or current member topics stay in the Journey forum unless Mr. McNeice decides to open up another forum for a former/current member(s). This could in the future and would have in the past prevented some dust ups."