Verizon Sep 3 Concert Postponed

[Since 78]

Good Grief People!! The guy is Sick!! He's been saying as much for a couple of weeks. They should have given him time off before this, they didn't and now they have to. Tito is just trying to get a reaction and as usual it worked.

Carry on!!

[mick]

"Arnie" has proven that he can cover the catalog for a short period of time. He's sick now and they've cancelled a show. If he lasts any longer than Augeri, that's yet to be proven.

Lasting any longer than any previous singer isn't the issue.


Proceeding forward with integrity IS the issue.

Proceeding forward with integrity is absolutely the issue, as long as they have a singer that lasts long enough for that to happen! I'm just not seeing them cancel more dates as the tour continues, if Arnel isn't well. I see money trumping integrity at that point. There will either be tape, Deen singing along while Arnel sings as much as he can WITH TAPE, or a "temporary" replacement singer. Sound familiar? It's hard not to go there, since this was their m.o. the last time, and they have started with a show cancellation already.

I don't think they are going to try those options. A few cancelled shows pales in comparison to the money they can make in the future. No way they are going to jeopardize their future or their franchise player, IMHO.

[Don]

If the acid reflex problem is chronic, Arnel should take the money and run because he's not even close to having done the number of shows Augeri did with the band. Steve A. lasted around 8 years, not a bad run.
How can you cancel more than one show when you got two other bands on the bill? Don't you have to still pay them? You can't force them to reschedule if the shows are canceled through no fault of their own. Someone is gonna lose some money on the deal.

[artist4perry]

O.K. as the conversation digresses on, I only want to know how Arnel is.....does anyone know? I hope he feels better soon. What the band does remains to be seen. Geez how about just a get well soon from the whole gang?

GET WELL SOON, ARNEL!

[EightyRock]

If the acid reflex problem is chronic, Arnel should take the money and run because he's not even close to having done the number of shows Augeri did with the band. Steve A. lasted around 8 years, not a bad run.

He hung on for that long, but he didn't really "last" that long. I remember a comment by either JDK or KS that Journey fans would be surprised at how much of the high end vocals on Arrival were really Deen, not Augeri. They pushed him out of his comfort zone on his early live performances and it helped cause alot of his problems. I would not want to be a Journey vocalist for any amount of cash!

[EightyRock]

[quote="artist4perry"]O.K. as the conversation digresses on, I only want to know how Arnel is.....does anyone know? I hope he feels better soon. What the band does remains to be seen. Geez how about just a get well soon from the whole gang?

GET WELL SOON, ARNEL! [/quote

Ok, I'm game.....take some Prilosec or Pepcid, Arnel....prop yourself up in bed with alot of pillows....and get well soon.

[donnaplease]

My son is in the process of filling out questionnaires for college football teams. One of the questions they ask is if he has had any prior significant injuries. They ask this for obvious reasons~is he prone to re-injury, or is there a 'weakness' that they need to know about before they invest time and money in him as an athlete.

I wonder if Journey specifically, and bands in general, think to do a similar thing. It would make sense, if you stop to think about it.

Jeremey, was this type of thing ever brought up in your discussions with them?

[RobbieG]

T-Bone or Andrew Please close this thread.

[Don]

No one's being slandered in this thread, why close it. Just because it went from pom poms to a serious discussion concerning AP's health, (which he seems to bring up himself every shoutbox session), that's no reason to close the thread.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

T-Bone or Andrew Please close this thread.

Why?

[Playitloudforme]

From what I'm reading about ARD, it takes 4 to 8 weeks on medication for it to heal. And that is without the outside influences contributing to making it worse.

Stress is a factor... and he has said he's stressed. Canceling shows will cause more stress, but there's no other way at this point.

Other factors:

Spicy foods
Fried foods
Fatty foods
Tomato-based foods (e.g., pizza, pasta sauce, salsa)
Citrus fruits and juices
Onions and garlic
Chocolate
Mint flavorings
Caffeinated drinks
Alcoholic drinks ( no more parties dude...)
Coffee and tea (caffeinated or decaffeinated)
Soda and other carbonated drinks

Non-Food Causes:
Being overweight (not a factor)
Smoking (does he smoke?)
Overeating (eating too much at one time -- unknown if it applies)
Wearing tight clothing that puts pressure on your stomach (don't think it's an issue)

I'm thinking his diet and stress are the main issues, stress more so than anything else. The stress will not go away, so he'll have to learn to manage it. But that will mean a longer period of recovery without the removal of the stress.

Key issue -- There's no quick fix here. I'd imagine Deen is going to have to pinch hit for awhile here if they continue to tour.

[Don]

The problem with Deen stepping in is that when he covered for Augeri, people were there to see Journey. Now a good portion of the crowd is there to see Arnel first and Journey second. it's really unfair but a lot of the stress on Arnel is probably the desire not to disappoint his fellow countrymen which might have him creating huge expectations upon himself.

[Playitloudforme]

The problem with Deen stepping in is that when he covered for Augeri, people were there to see Journey. Now a good portion of the crowd is there to see Arnel first and Journey second.

I agree. But at least he can handle the material. Arnel physically can't right now, and shouldn't (more importantly) for weeks.

Bronchitis is a pain, but not a deal breaker. Acid Reflux is a whole nuther thang. I'm thinking it's Deen or it's cancel. I can't see Frig & Fro canceling the tour tho, not with all the money thrown behind it.

[Eric]

Some of that information is debated...and some of it outdated. Severe Acid Reflux is a disease and weight and food choices are a non factor. What certain people or doctors loosely call Acid Reflux is just bad heartburn..and those things are related to food choices and weight.

If severe acid reflux disease is not treated it can lead to cancer of the esophagus....

[Playitloudforme]

Some of that information is debated...and some of it outdated. Severe Acid Reflux is a disease and weight and food choices are a non factor. What certain people or doctors loosely call Acid Reflux is just bad heartburn..and those things are related to food choices and weight.

If severe acid reflux disease is not treated it can lead to cancer of the esophagus....

Eric, curious... where did you get that the weight & food are non-factors? I've not run across anything like that....? Thanks

[Don]

Rock Singers during the seventies must have been in bad shape before health food became all the rage.

[bluejeangirl76]

Because of the fact they are willing to let him rest I do think he will last longer than Augeri. If they had done the same with Augeri maybe he would still be around. Don't get me wrong I like Augeri, but there were certainly a few shows that should have been cancelled that Augeri did when he shouldn't have.

Doubtful to say the least. Cancelling one show so he can rest is not going to make a grand difference here, if his problem is 'chronic' and/or persistant. Friga and Fro don't have a tolerance for this sorta thing. If it lasts beyond this one cancellation, look for turmoil.

Well its Journey so turmoil is a given, anyway. Its what form the turmoil will take. Sadly, we've seen this movie. Twice. I'm sorry but if it looks, walks and quacks like a duck... chances are it's going to stab its singer in the back. I hope Arnel's management got him one hell of a pre-nup because he doesn't deserve what's possibly coming.

[Perrydise]

T-Bone or Andrew Please close this thread.

Why? does the facts and truth hurt?

[bluejeangirl76]

T-Bone or Andrew Please close this thread.

Why? does the facts and truth hurt?

It would seem so.

Look there's no reason to close anything.... the show cancellation was published ALL over the place and its a know fact Arnel has been ill. No one has said anything disrespectful or poor about Arnel or to other posters, so there's no reason to close it... its just a discussion. Let's relax people... tour ain't over yet - still gonna be plenty of shit to fight about. Let's not blow our loads in round one.

[Don]

Blowing loads and New Kids on the Block lyrics , what a combination

[bluejeangirl76]

Blowing loads and New Kids on the Block lyrics , what a combination

Hey. I just like the lyric, ok? Relax a minute, will ya.
We all have our guilty pleasures. Plus, I can't get that fucking song out my head.

[Rick]

The speculation about Arnel in this thread has gone off the charts. He's had allergies and exhaustion messing with him for a good while, and then a bout with acid reflux. A little rest and some medication and he's going to be right back at it, knocking it out of the park again. I think he's a lot tougher than some are giving him credit for.

[brywool]

The speculation about Arnel in this thread has gone off the charts. He's had allergies and exhaustion messing with him for a good while, and then a bout with acid reflux. A little rest and some medication and he's going to be right back at it, knocking it out of the park again. I think he's a lot tougher than some are giving him credit for.

Yup. However, there are people that just can't wait for him to be sidelined...

According to his site, it sounds like he's getting better. According to his buddy, who saw him today:
Reujen: yeah he will be in ontario and he has his voice back na

Hope so.

[brywool]

Augeri disease:

A vocal cord nodule (or "Nodules of vocal cords") is a nodule or mass of tissue that grows on the vocal folds (vocal cords). Typically this mass will appear on the anterior one-third of the vocal fold, where contact is most forceful.

A vocal cord nodule reduces or obstructs the ability of the vocal folds to create the rapid changes in air pressure which generate human speech. Symptoms include hoarseness of speech, painful speech production, frequent vocal breaks and reduced vocal range. Females are most likely to develop nodules.

The nodules appear as symmetric swellings on both sides of the vocal cords. The cause of these formations are usually strenuous or abusive voice practices such as yelling and coughing. Persons who are often susceptible are those who use their voice constantly in a loud environment. Examples include teachers, cheerleaders, politicians, actors, musicians and singers.

Vocal cord nodules, although they can certainly impair one's speaking and singing ability, rarely harm one's general health. Indeed, the psychological trauma of being diagnosed with nodules -- a trauma affecting those especially whose professional success depends on consistently producing a rich and powerful vocal tone (e.g. singers, actors, broadcasters) -- typically dwarfs the limited systemic and even otorhinolaryngological effects.

Treatment, or voice rehabilitation, usually involves vocal training, speech therapy, and, occasionally, vocal rest. In rare cases, surgery may be required. Removal of vocal cord nodules is a relatively safe and minor surgery. However, those who sing professionally or otherwise should take serious consideration before having surgery. While the patient is subdued under general anesthesia, long thin scissors and knives are used to remove the nodules. The best preventative steps seem to be wrapped up in the study of vocology, the science and practice of voice habilitation.

Symptoms of vocal nodules include vocal fatigue and hoarseness or breathiness. Hoarseness or breathiness that lasts for more than two weeks may signal a voice disorder and should be followed up with an appointment with ENT.

More from Wiki:

Steve Augeri of the band Journey was forced to leave the band when his nodules got so severe in the 2006 tour that a replacement singer was drafted in to continue the tour.

Augeri didn't have nodules.

[Aaron]

If you have it bad that can happen. The acid can get into your throat and even up into your nose and sinus cavities. Maalox is good stuff but is not the solution. I've fought this one myself dealing with acid reflux for several years. The solution is taking previcid once a day. It took me from being a wreck to being normal in about 3 days. I've been on it for about five years now and it's great stuff. Arnel is easily fixable if that is the issue. It will likely take his chords about 10 days to heal if it's bad (mine did) but he should be sorted quickly if acid reflux is the problem. Good luck Arnel.

He says the acid got so bad that it came up and burned his vocal chords.

[artist4perry]

The speculation about Arnel in this thread has gone off the charts. He's had allergies and exhaustion messing with him for a good while, and then a bout with acid reflux. A little rest and some medication and he's going to be right back at it, knocking it out of the park again. I think he's a lot tougher than some are giving him credit for.

Ditto that. But some can't resist running around saying, "The SKY is FALLING"! I sit back and laugh! Get some popcorn and join me!

[Rick]

The speculation about Arnel in this thread has gone off the charts. He's had allergies and exhaustion messing with him for a good while, and then a bout with acid reflux. A little rest and some medication and he's going to be right back at it, knocking it out of the park again. I think he's a lot tougher than some are giving him credit for.

Yup. However, there are people that just can't wait for him to be sidelined...

There will always be naysayers.

I was worrying about his voice a couple of weeks ago, but it wasn't what I thought it was, so I'm guilty of speculating too.

[MarcelJordan]

The speculation about Arnel in this thread has gone off the charts. He's had allergies and exhaustion messing with him for a good while, and then a bout with acid reflux. A little rest and some medication and he's going to be right back at it, knocking it out of the park again. I think he's a lot tougher than some are giving him credit for.

Yup. However, there are people that just can't wait for him to be sidelined...

According to his site, it sounds like he's getting better. According to his buddy, who saw him today:
Reujen: yeah he will be in ontario and he has his voice back na

Hope so.

Good to see positive comments. Too many fear mongers here.

[brywool]

The speculation about Arnel in this thread has gone off the charts. He's had allergies and exhaustion messing with him for a good while, and then a bout with acid reflux. A little rest and some medication and he's going to be right back at it, knocking it out of the park again. I think he's a lot tougher than some are giving him credit for.

Yup. However, there are people that just can't wait for him to be sidelined...

There will always be naysayers.

I was worrying about his voice a couple of weeks ago, but it wasn't what I thought it was, so I'm guilty of speculating too.

Speculating is one thing, but some of the other stuff... dang.

[Moon Beam]

Hubby Bub has a Nephew that was fed through tubes for a few of his early years
because he could not swallow food, for the memory logs in me I cannot remember
what this condition/disease is called.
Our eldest Son puked at the site or any smell of everything.....I'm talking projectile too.
Anything that wasn't soup, yogurt, oatmeal or mashed potatoes for the first 6 years of his life.

I hope Mr Pineda gets the chance to heal whats whacked him out.
My thoughts and hopes are that it's not as serious as some say.