OT: The Barack Obama Transcript

[scarygirl]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.

Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

It has nothing to do with being a snob, you dope! Expecting the President Of The United States to be able to deliver a speech isn't asking too much, in my opinion! Nobody is suggesting that just because someone is eloquent means that he or she is a poltiician for the ages. I simply prefer the President to be able to sound a bit more intelligent than the average 5th grader!

Also, your comparison of W. and a hearing impaired person is just fucking stupid! Those who are hearing imparied can't speak for reasons that are medically related and beyond their control. W. is supposedly Ivy League educated and really shouldn't find pronouncing two syllable words to be that arduous of a task! Incidentally, being educated and not having to take a "Hooked On Phonics" lesson to speak three sentences doesn't make someone a "snob"!


John from Boston

You miss the point. Typical.

[scarygirl]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.
Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

Since Obama isn't an actor, is he still a monkey?

He has the ears for it.

[scarygirl]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.

Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

It has nothing to do with being a snob, you dope! Expecting the President Of The United States to be able to deliver a speech isn't asking too much, in my opinion! Nobody is suggesting that just because someone is eloquent means that he or she is a poltiician for the ages. I simply prefer the President to be able to sound a bit more intelligent than the average 5th grader!

Also, your comparison of W. and a hearing impaired person is just fucking stupid! Those who are hearing imparied can't speak for reasons that are medically related and beyond their control. W. is supposedly Ivy League educated and really shouldn't find pronouncing two syllable words to be that arduous of a task! Incidentally, being educated and not having to take a "Hooked On Phonics" lesson to speak three sentences doesn't make someone a "snob"!


John from Boston

People's speech patterns are equally ingrained. I have a speech impediment myself, so naturally I get riled up over people's constant nick picking over Bush's pronunciation of certain words.

Also, your comparison of W. and a hearing impaired person is just fucking stupid!

You must have failed Reading Between the Lines 101. What comes or doesn't come out of a person's mouth isn't necessarily the measure of what's going on upstairs. They can have the most beautiful speech with all facts and figures written in their mind, but for whatever reason it just doesn't play out when spoken.


When I was in school, I had the highest reading comprehension scores in my class. English, particularly, creative writing was my best subject, but reading what I wrote in front of my classmates was humiliating. I'm sure they thought I was stupid too.

If you want to criticize the man for his policies fine, but nit picking him to death because he doesn't have the eloquence of Obama is Elitist.

[treetopovskaya]

ugh.

Ah, John, I saw you touched on this subject on the election thread. I kept wondering when you would make it over to this one. Only you could respond to it like no one else could, expect maybe also Dean.

[Enigma869]

I have a speech impediment myself, so naturally I get riled up over people's constant nick picking over Bush's pronunciation of certain words.

Bush doesn't have a "speech impediment". He has a brain impediment! I'm fairly confident that if W. actually did have an actual "speech impediment" that it would have come out through the media in the past 8 years, and probably while he was the Governor of Texas. This isn't a situation where the guy has stage fright or a stuttering problem. The man simply can't correctly pronounce many words. You obviously think that's okay. I don't. As I've said before, I'm just someone who wants to at least believe that the President Of The United States is more intelligent than I am. In W.'s case, I don't believe that for a second, and would feel the same way even if I voted for the dope!

What comes or doesn't come out of a person's mouth isn't necessarily the measure of what's going on upstairs. They can have the most beautiful speech with all facts and figures written in their mind, but for whatever reason it just doesn't play out when spoken.

Perhaps, but sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. I think I would have seen evidence of some of this hidden brilliance in the 8 years he served, and I certainly haven't. He has a couple of months left, so perhaps he's just waiting until the very end to unveil his vast brain

When I was in school, I had the highest reading comprehension scores in my class. English, particularly, creative writing was my best subject, but reading what I wrote in front of my classmates was humiliating. I'm sure they thought I was stupid too.

Now it's you who is missing the point. If someone is actually intellectually challenged, it's really nothing to make light of. I believe it's actually mean to point out someone's lack of education. Also, even though I think you're a dope, it has nothing to do with your ability to read aloud in class or your education W. is IVY LEAGUE FUCKING EDUCATED, and unlike you, I don't believe for one minute that he has a "speech impediment" that magically nobody has ever heard a single word about! The amazing thing is that you're clearly a W. supporter (which in itself is FRIGHTENING) and you must even believe that the guy sounds like a dope, or you never would have dreamt up this "speech impediment"!

If you want to criticize the man for his policies fine, but nit picking him to death because he doesn't have the eloquence of Obama is Elitist.

I can assure you that I have been VERY critical of W's policies. I can also assure you that I am not close to being an "Elitist". To suggest that someone is "Elitist" just because they happen to believe that a politician should be just a bit articulate is fucking stupid! The Mayor of Boston is a fucking embarrassment when he speaks, and I cringe every time I listen to him speak and realize that he's representing my hometown on the national stage! I know it's a radical concept, but I truly believe that a prerequisite for the job of politician should be intelligence. They're all fucking corrupt. The least they can do is just bring some intellect to the equation!


John from Boston

[Blueskies]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.
Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

Since Obama isn't an actor, is he still a monkey?

He has the ears for it.

If you really want to veil your true thought's next time try using something more than cellophane, good grief.

[AlteredDNA]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.
Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

Since Obama isn't an actor, is he still a monkey?

He has the ears for it.

If you really want to veil your true thought's next time try using something more than cellophane, good grief.

Are you calling scarygirl racist?

[Lula]

i don't know that anyone is being called a racist. i do know that there have been some very questionable comments by some members here with regards to obama. some might call them racist and some, not so much.

[Blueskies]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.
Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

Since Obama isn't an actor, is he still a monkey?

He has the ears for it.

If you really want to veil your true thought's next time try using something more than cellophane, good grief.

Are you calling scarygirl racist?

I think it's a ridiculous quote but I'll use her quote: "What comes or doesn't come out of a person's mouth isn't necessarily the measure of what's going on upstairs." See, I tend to think it is.... but you can decide that for yourself.

[AlteredDNA]

i don't know that anyone is being called a racist. i do know that there have been some very questionable comments by some members here with regards to obama. some might call them racist and some, not so much.

I would agree that. However, Blueskies seemed to imply that with the use of the word monkey, scarygirl was showing her "true feelings". I sincerely hope that race and the accusations of racism do not become tools to try to stifle dissent.

[Blueskies]

i don't know that anyone is being called a racist. i do know that there have been some very questionable comments by some members here with regards to obama. some might call them racist and some, not so much.

Yes, when catching up on my reading today, I agree that there have been a number of questionable comment's made by several, not just one. Transparency abounds with some.

[AlteredDNA]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.
Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

Since Obama isn't an actor, is he still a monkey?

He has the ears for it.

If you really want to veil your true thought's next time try using something more than cellophane, good grief.

Are you calling scarygirl racist?

I think it's a ridiculous quote but I'll use her quote: "What comes or doesn't come out of a person's mouth isn't necessarily the measure of what's going on upstairs." See, I tend to think it is.... but you can decide that for yourself.

I was asking you what you thought. Why veil your thoughts? Either you think it was a racist statement or you don't.

[Blueskies]

i don't know that anyone is being called a racist. i do know that there have been some very questionable comments by some members here with regards to obama. some might call them racist and some, not so much.

I would agree that. However, Blueskies seemed to imply that with the use of the word monkey, scarygirl was showing her "true feelings". I sincerely hope that race and the accusations of racism do not become tools to try to stifle dissent.

Then shouldn't dissent be spoken in term's of policy and action's rather then monkey reference's and talking about someone's ears? What has that got to do with dissenting opinion toward's the person's platform ?

[AlteredDNA]

i don't know that anyone is being called a racist. i do know that there have been some very questionable comments by some members here with regards to obama. some might call them racist and some, not so much.

I would agree that. However, Blueskies seemed to imply that with the use of the word monkey, scarygirl was showing her "true feelings". I sincerely hope that race and the accusations of racism do not become tools to try to stifle dissent.

Then desnt should be spoken in term's of policy and action's rather then monkey reference's and talking about someone's ears, don't you think? What has that got to do with dissenting opinion ?

The ears statement was silly, but the point about regurgitating well written monologues was valid. Should she have used a parakeet as an example, rather than a monkey?

As to the policy issue, why was it considered racist when someone placed a picture of Obama on a box of waffles, to illustrate has "waffling" on issues?

[Blueskies]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.
Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

Since Obama isn't an actor, is he still a monkey?

He has the ears for it.

If you really want to veil your true thought's next time try using something more than cellophane, good grief.

Are you calling scarygirl racist?

I think it's a ridiculous quote but I'll use her quote: "What comes or doesn't come out of a person's mouth isn't necessarily the measure of what's going on upstairs." See, I tend to think it is.... but you can decide that for yourself.

I was asking you what you thought. Why veil your thoughts? Either you think it was a racist statement or you don't.

Yes, in my opinion the reference was a thinly veiled racist comment. Thats how I see it. Doe's it mean that she's a racist? I don't know her personally but you do have to own your word's and if your going to put them on a public board for all to read then everyone will interpret what you say in how you say it. The statement's made by some are very transparent to me. Like I said..you can think what you want but thats how I see it.

[AlteredDNA]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.
Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

Since Obama isn't an actor, is he still a monkey?

He has the ears for it.

If you really want to veil your true thought's next time try using something more than cellophane, good grief.

Are you calling scarygirl racist?

I think it's a ridiculous quote but I'll use her quote: "What comes or doesn't come out of a person's mouth isn't necessarily the measure of what's going on upstairs." See, I tend to think it is.... but you can decide that for yourself.

I was asking you what you thought. Why veil your thoughts? Either you think it was a racist statement or you don't.

Yes, in my opinion the reference was a thinly veiled racist comment. Thats how I see it. Doe's it mean that she's a racist? I don't know her personally but you do have to own your word's and if your going to put them on a public board for all to read then everyone will interpret what you say in how you say it. The statement's made by some are very transparent to me. Like I said..you can think what you want but thats how I see it.

Thank you for answering.

[bluejeangirl76]

If someone is actually intellectually challenged, it's really nothing to make light of. I believe it's actually mean to point out someone's lack of education. Also, even though I think you're a dope, it has nothing to do with your ability to read aloud in class or your education W. is IVY LEAGUE FUCKING EDUCATED, and unlike you, I don't believe for one minute that he has a "speech impediment" that magically nobody has ever heard a single word about! The amazing thing is that you're clearly a W. supporter (which in itself is FRIGHTENING) and you must even believe that the guy sounds like a dope, or you never would have dreamt up this "speech impediment"!

W does not have any kind of speech impairment. He speaks perfectly fine until he stumbles over a big word and doesn't have time to sound it out or he's asked a question that makes his hamster fall off the wheel. And you're right John, he's Ivy League "educated", which I do not doubt mom and dad had to pay extra for just so they wouldn't kick him out. Speech impairment? That's new. I've heard some wild defenses of W before, but I've never heard anyone defend him with that one.

[Blueskies]

i don't know that anyone is being called a racist. i do know that there have been some very questionable comments by some members here with regards to obama. some might call them racist and some, not so much.

I would agree that. However, Blueskies seemed to imply that with the use of the word monkey, scarygirl was showing her "true feelings". I sincerely hope that race and the accusations of racism do not become tools to try to stifle dissent.

Then desnt should be spoken in term's of policy and action's rather then monkey reference's and talking about someone's ears, don't you think? What has that got to do with dissenting opinion ?

The ears statement was silly, but the point about regurgitating well written monologues was valid. Should she have used a parakeet as an example, rather than a monkey?

As to the policy issue, why was it considered racist when someone placed a picture of Obama on a box of waffles, to illustrate has "waffling" on issues?

Did I say a picture on a box of waffles is considered racist??? I think your " waffling" on the issue and your argument is not a good one...your avoiding what I said....what has his ears got to do with his stances and dissenting opinion toward's them?? What someone has to say would be considered more if people could present their argument's with dissenting opinion on stance's rather then personal attack's on appearance which has nothing what so ever to do with it.

[Blueskies]

Concerning President Bush:

To all the snobs who believe eloquence of speech is a sign of superior intellect, it's not. Any monkey can reguritate well written monologues, they're called ACTORS.
Well formed speech comes down to mechanics. There are people with speech impediments whose mind flows on to the page. Conversely, there are people with perfect speech who can't come up with an original thought to save their life. Would you call a deaf person stupid?

Since Obama isn't an actor, is he still a monkey?

He has the ears for it.

If you really want to veil your true thought's next time try using something more than cellophane, good grief.

Are you calling scarygirl racist?

I think it's a ridiculous quote but I'll use her quote: "What comes or doesn't come out of a person's mouth isn't necessarily the measure of what's going on upstairs." See, I tend to think it is.... but you can decide that for yourself.

I was asking you what you thought. Why veil your thoughts? Either you think it was a racist statement or you don't.

Yes, in my opinion the reference was a thinly veiled racist comment. Thats how I see it. Doe's it mean that she's a racist? I don't know her personally but you do have to own your word's and if your going to put them on a public board for all to read then everyone will interpret what you say in how you say it. The statement's made by some are very transparent to me. Like I said..you can think what you want but thats how I see it.

Thank you for answering.

Your welcome.

[Lula]

there is dissent and there is the stupidity of racism. dissent is healthy. to dissent based on ability to speak or lack of is unfounded. w in my opinion is an atrocious public speaker. obama is gifted as an orator. i imagine there will be legitimate causes for dissent. the ending of our occupation of iraq, health care for citizens, help for higher education, these are reasons some might dissent as they disagree with these policies.

[Enigma869]

And you're right John, he's Ivy League "educated", which I do not doubt mom and dad had to pay extra for just so they wouldn't kick him out.

W. got into and through Yale for one reason and one reason only...His dad! There is no freakin' way that he was getting into ANY Ivy League institution if his father wasn't who he was!


John from Boston

[AlteredDNA]

i don't know that anyone is being called a racist. i do know that there have been some very questionable comments by some members here with regards to obama. some might call them racist and some, not so much.

I would agree that. However, Blueskies seemed to imply that with the use of the word monkey, scarygirl was showing her "true feelings". I sincerely hope that race and the accusations of racism do not become tools to try to stifle dissent.

Then desnt should be spoken in term's of policy and action's rather then monkey reference's and talking about someone's ears, don't you think? What has that got to do with dissenting opinion ?

The ears statement was silly, but the point about regurgitating well written monologues was valid. Should she have used a parakeet as an example, rather than a monkey?

As to the policy issue, why was it considered racist when someone placed a picture of Obama on a box of waffles, to illustrate has "waffling" on issues?

Did I say a picture on a box of waffles is considered racist??? I think your " waffling" on the issue and your argument is not a good one...your avoiding what I said....what has his ears got to do with his stances and dissenting opinion toward's them??

I already answered the ears question, and I didn't say that you thought waffle box was racist. Sorry if you took it otherwise.

My bigger point is that I'm afraid that legitimate discussion / criticism of Obama and his policies will be labeled as racist, especially when some esoteric word assocation can be made.

[Lula]

And you're right John, he's Ivy League "educated", which I do not doubt mom and dad had to pay extra for just so they wouldn't kick him out.

W. got into and through Yale for one reason and one reason only...His dad! There is no freakin' way that he was getting into ANY Ivy League institution if his father wasn't who he was!


John from Boston

i gotta agree.

[Blueskies]

i don't know that anyone is being called a racist. i do know that there have been some very questionable comments by some members here with regards to obama. some might call them racist and some, not so much.

I would agree that. However, Blueskies seemed to imply that with the use of the word monkey, scarygirl was showing her "true feelings". I sincerely hope that race and the accusations of racism do not become tools to try to stifle dissent.

Then desnt should be spoken in term's of policy and action's rather then monkey reference's and talking about someone's ears, don't you think? What has that got to do with dissenting opinion ?

The ears statement was silly, but the point about regurgitating well written monologues was valid. Should she have used a parakeet as an example, rather than a monkey?

As to the policy issue, why was it considered racist when someone placed a picture of Obama on a box of waffles, to illustrate has "waffling" on issues?

Did I say a picture on a box of waffles is considered racist??? I think your " waffling" on the issue and your argument is not a good one...your avoiding what I said....what has his ears got to do with his stances and dissenting opinion toward's them??

I already answered the ears question, and I didn't say that you thought waffle box was racist. Sorry if you took it otherwise.

My bigger point is that I'm afraid that legitimate discussion / criticism of Obama and his policies will be labeled as racist, especially when some esoteric word assocation can be made.

your quicker then me...I added to that post....

"What someone has to say would be considered more if people could present their argument's with dissenting opinion on stance's rather then personal attack's on appearance which has nothing what so ever to do with it."

..so yes, it would be nice if some could stick to legitimate discussion/ criticism..and I would add well thought out and with saying something that has some merit without making thinly veiled reference's toward's a person's appearance ....yes, then maybe I would consider what they have to say more.

[Enigma869]

the point about regurgitating well written monologues was valid.

Perhaps it is valid, but it's only valid if you include every other politician under the sun. Almost none of these guys and gals write their own speeches. If you listened to both sides during the campaign, it was the same regurgitated shit in every city in America, by BOTH sides!

As to the policy issue, why was it considered racist when someone placed a picture of Obama on a box of waffles, to illustrate has "waffling" on issues?

You're incredibly naive to suggest that there is no racism involved with Obama. Throughout the campaign, some jerks on this very board constantly referred to him as "Barack Hussein Obama". While that is clearly his name, I'm fairly confident that if his middle name was James, that not a single person here, or anywhere else, would have made mention of his middle name one single time!

As far as the waffle box...I also think it's a valid question to ask about race. I'm quite sure that every politician in America "waffles" on issues, and I haven't seen their faces depicted on a waffle box. Hell, the entire theme of the 2004 election was John Kerry "waffling" on issues, and not once did I see anyone turn Kerry into Aunt Jemmima! A racist pig is still a racist pig, no matter how clever they are at attempting to mask their hatefulness!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

My bigger point is that I'm afraid that legitimate discussion / criticism of Obama and his policies will be labeled as racist, especially when some esoteric word assocation can be made.

Nobody can accuse someone (at least not legitimately) of being racist just because they're questioning Obama's policies. Also, he already received criticism for his Nancy Reagan comment, in his media address the other day. That stuff is all fair game, as far as I'm concerned. If he says something stupid in a speech, people should absolutely call him on it!

The reality is that it is going to be VERY, VERY difficult for Obama to deliver on all of his promises, so I suspect he will receive plenty of criticism. He's inheriting the worst disaster any President-Elect has ever been faced with, so I suspect that he will stumble often, as he tries to pick up the pieces left behind by his predecessor!


John from Boston

[The_Noble_Cause]

As to the policy issue, why was it considered racist when someone placed a picture of Obama on a box of waffles, to illustrate has "waffling" on issues?

Because it openly was.
Not only was Obama drawn with over-exagerated minstrel features, the back of the box featured a pic of him in a turban, and was written in rap lyrics.
Let me guess, the GOP's mailing featuring Obama surrounded by a bucket of fried chicken and watermelon should also be considered valid political commentary?

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/13/oba ... er-summit/
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/16/obama-bucks/

[Blueskies]

the point about regurgitating well written monologues was valid.

Perhaps it is valid, but it's only valid if you include every other politician under the sun. Almost none of these guys and gals write their own speeches. If you listened to both sides during the campaign, it was the same regurgitated shit in every city in America, by BOTH sides!

As to the policy issue, why was it considered racist when someone placed a picture of Obama on a box of waffles, to illustrate has "waffling" on issues?

You're incredibly naive to suggest that there is no racism involved with Obama. Throughout the campaign, some jerks on this very board constantly referred to him as "Barack Hussein Obama". While that is clearly his name, I'm fairly confident that if his middle name was James, that not a single person here, or anywhere else, would have made mention of his middle name one single time!

As far as the waffle box...I also think it's a valid question to ask about race. I'm quite sure that every politician in America "waffles" on issues, and I haven't seen their faces depicted on a waffle box. Hell, the entire theme of the 2004 election was John Kerry "waffling" on issues, and not once did I see anyone turn Kerry into Aunt Jemmima! A racist pig is still a racist pig, no matter how clever they are at attempting to mask their hatefulness!


John from Boston

Hear, hear, John! (I have not seen the box of waffles thing so thanks for bringing it to light, as well. )

[Blueskies]

As to the policy issue, why was it considered racist when someone placed a picture of Obama on a box of waffles, to illustrate has "waffling" on issues?

Because it openly was.
Not only was Obama drawn with over-exagerated minstrel features, the back of the box featured a pic of him in a turban, and was written in rap lyrics.
Let me guess, the GOP's mailing featuring Obama surrounded by a bucket of fried chicken and watermelon should also be considered valid political commentary?

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/13/oba ... er-summit/
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/16/obama-bucks/

Good grief!! Ok, AlteredDNA, you just invalidated your argument with me by using that as a reference. Have a good day.

[Blueskies]

My bigger point is that I'm afraid that legitimate discussion / criticism of Obama and his policies will be labeled as racist, especially when some esoteric word assocation can be made.

Nobody can accuse someone (at least not legitimately) of being racist just because they're questioning Obama's policies. Also, he already received criticism for his Nancy Reagan comment, in his media address the other day. That stuff is all fair game, as far as I'm concerned. If he says something stupid in a speech, people should absolutely call him on it!

The reality is that it is going to be VERY, VERY difficult for Obama to deliver on all of his promises, so I suspect he will receive plenty of criticism. He's inheriting the worst disaster any President-Elect has ever been faced with, so I suspect that he will stumble often, as he tries to pick up the pieces left behind by his predecessor!


John from Boston

again, well said John.