Not too Shabby

[DrFU]

I thought it was rough. I saw them this summer ,and he did a fine Job

Wait, I've been watching since 5pm. Did I miss it/

voyager put this one up..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgN_vNJvHU8

Why the hell does Arnel make those retarded sounds during the solo? That shit sounds out of place and just distracts from the song. Also, his dictation on some of these words is terrible! "AnywhereA"? Since when is there an "A" at the end of that word? UGH... Sorry, but I'm just frustrated at my favorite band sounding like ass on national television. That performance was horrible from Arnel, and I'm now determined that I'm through going to Journey concerts unless they have some new material to show off.

dude.. thats harsh man...........i thought it was pretty good..

I did too, Larry. I don't get "horrible," Jim.

Me 3 ... I'm incredibly sick of that song, but I thought Arnel sounded just fine. Imperfect, as live should be, and in his own style, which is also the way it should be.

My two 20-something sons gave it the thumbs up (without me even asking) & they have seen Journey live with SA, JSS, and Arnel.

[Jana]

I thought it was rough. I saw them this summer ,and he did a fine Job

Wait, I've been watching since 5pm. Did I miss it/

voyager put this one up..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgN_vNJvHU8

Why the hell does Arnel make those retarded sounds during the solo? That shit sounds out of place and just distracts from the song. Also, his dictation on some of these words is terrible! "AnywhereA"? Since when is there an "A" at the end of that word? UGH... Sorry, but I'm just frustrated at my favorite band sounding like ass on national television. That performance was horrible from Arnel, and I'm now determined that I'm through going to Journey concerts unless they have some new material to show off.

dude.. thats harsh man...........i thought it was pretty good..

I did too. I don't get "terrible," Jim.

Just my opinion...you can have yours too!

Aw, gee, thanks.

[Don]

I thought it was rough. I saw them this summer ,and he did a fine Job

Wait, I've been watching since 5pm. Did I miss it/

voyager put this one up..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgN_vNJvHU8

Why the hell does Arnel make those retarded sounds during the solo? That shit sounds out of place and just distracts from the song. Also, his dictation on some of these words is terrible! "AnywhereA"? Since when is there an "A" at the end of that word? UGH... Sorry, but I'm just frustrated at my favorite band sounding like ass on national television. That performance was horrible from Arnel, and I'm now determined that I'm through going to Journey concerts unless they have some new material to show off.

dude.. thats harsh man...........i thought it was pretty good..

I did too, Larry. I don't get "horrible," Jim.

Me 3 ... I'm incredibly sick of that song, but I thought Arnel sounded just fine. Imperfect, as live should be, and in his own style, which is also the way it should be.

My two 20-something sons gave it the thumbs up (without me even asking) & they have seen Journey live with SA, JSS, and Arnel.

They were brought up well.

[SherriBerry]

Some good notes...some bum notes. Some changed phrasing... It was just okay. Great PR though - again.

You sure about that? A million or 100 just watched a shitty vocal. Had he shown up early, got rest and acted professional, and sang it well, people might have scanned for new Journey records. I would wager a guess that 95 million of the 100 million who saw it were in fact turned off.

This is one time where any pub is not exactly good pub.

Agreed - they had the chance here to win over new fans, possibly generate new interest in Revelation, and set themselves
up for a solid tour. This vocal performance did not help them. I'm going to see them in concert anyway, but not based on
what I just saw.

[*Laura]

I've missed Journey, but someone who watched texted me asking "Where the fuck is Perry????"

At home counting coins and punching kittens no doubt!

The first part is the truth, the second part is a myth. Or viceversa. Okay, I'm confused!

[DrFU]

I thought it was rough. I saw them this summer ,and he did a fine Job

Wait, I've been watching since 5pm. Did I miss it/

voyager put this one up..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgN_vNJvHU8

Why the hell does Arnel make those retarded sounds during the solo? That shit sounds out of place and just distracts from the song. Also, his dictation on some of these words is terrible! "AnywhereA"? Since when is there an "A" at the end of that word? UGH... Sorry, but I'm just frustrated at my favorite band sounding like ass on national television. That performance was horrible from Arnel, and I'm now determined that I'm through going to Journey concerts unless they have some new material to show off.

dude.. thats harsh man...........i thought it was pretty good..

I did too, Larry. I don't get "horrible," Jim.

Me 3 ... I'm incredibly sick of that song, but I thought Arnel sounded just fine. Imperfect, as live should be, and in his own style, which is also the way it should be.

My two 20-something sons gave it the thumbs up (without me even asking) & they have seen Journey live with SA, JSS, and Arnel.

They were brought up well.

Or something; they are such cool guys. I have fucked up a ton of stuff in my life, but amazingly, my kids turned out awesome. And 2 of the 3 seriously like Journey. The third ... ambient techno

[Jubilee]

Some good notes...some bum notes. Some changed phrasing... It was just okay. Great PR though - again.

You sure about that? A million or 100 just watched a shitty vocal. Had he shown up early, got rest and acted professional, and sang it well, people might have scanned for new Journey records. I would wager a guess that 95 million of the 100 million who saw it were in fact turned off.

This is one time where any pub is not exactly good pub.

Agreed - they had the chance here to win over new fans, possibly generate new interest in Revelation, and set themselves
up for a solid tour. This vocal performance did not help them. I'm going to see them in concert anyway, but not based on
what I just saw.

I don't think this was a bad performance (with the possible exception of muffing the words a bit). It was definitely different from what we're used to. Perhaps Journey used this nationally televised event as a vehicle to break out of the whole "Perry-clone" thing and to establish Arnel Pineda as the new sound (vocally) of Journey. I dunno, maybe this was their way of officially passing the torch...but it definitely was different...

[brywool]

The song was in the correct key. Not a great performance, but not as horrible as some are making out. He did hold things out way too long and over sang stuff. Too bad he felt the need to do that. Outdoor rock rarely sounds good on tv. The instruments are always buried, etc. It was just okay.

I AM getting sick of this song though in a big way.

[SP Fan in Oregon]

Hey, they are followers. Nothing wrong with that. The biggest problem I have with the Pinoy army, is their complete lack of respect for the Classic era and Steve Perry. Most of them have no clue at all what transpired then. A shame really.

or ,,it doesnt help that the commentators said he was the Second lead singer of the band ..

but this was a fun 3 min today!! good rock ..

It also doesn't help when Arnel's performance pales by comparison with the star performances of Faith Hill and Jennifer Hudson.

[StoneCold]

Augeri was crucified on here by many posters for over a year. Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

That's because it isn't allowed to happen, which was my point.

You guys are usually on mark but not this time.

GI Jim will back me up on this. I did a mild joke thread about JSS as a sendup of some other threads. That sucker was deleted in less than 15 minutes while the others about Augeri and Pineda remained.

As for Pineda not experiencing criticism, you've got short memory. Here's some history.

http://www.philmusic.com/main/content/view/152/7/





How can anyone forget the "Arnel Eats Dogs" mantra and mass exodus of Arnel haters?

[Andrew]

Augeri was crucified on here by many posters for over a year. Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

That's because it isn't allowed to happen, which was my point.

You guys are usually on mark but not this time.

GI Jim will back me up on this. I did a mild joke thread about JSS as a sendup of some other threads. That sucker was deleted in less than 15 minutes while the others about Augeri and Pineda remained.

As for Pineda not experiencing criticism, you've got short memory. Here's some history.

http://www.philmusic.com/main/content/view/152/7/



How can anyone forget the "Arnel Eats Dogs" mantra and mass exodus of Arnel haters?

EVERYONE has recieved stick on this forum at one point or another. That's why many post here - it is a forum open to both positive and negative feedback.

No one has been immune from criticism and nor will they be. If a thread was deleted - MANY have been, then it was for a good reason.

As for the Arnel threads in the early days, those too were removed.

[Jana]

Augeri was crucified on here by many posters for over a year. Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

That's because it isn't allowed to happen, which was my point.

You guys are usually on mark but not this time.

GI Jim will back me up on this. I did a mild joke thread about JSS as a sendup of some other threads. That sucker was deleted in less than 15 minutes while the others about Augeri and Pineda remained.

As for Pineda not experiencing criticism, you've got short memory. Here's some history.

http://www.philmusic.com/main/content/view/152/7/

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How can anyone forget the "Arnel Eats Dogs" mantra and mass exodus of Arnel haters?
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So true.

[annpea]

It, was not the best he could have done better; maybe he was just tired.

[Don]

I figure his third show in Japan will have him back to sounding in top form.

This was Perry's third show on the Escape tour and he sounded pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNB1EUJg1-w

[finalfight]

Augeri was crucified on here by many posters for over a year. Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

That's because it isn't allowed to happen, which was my point.

You guys are usually on mark but not this time.

GI Jim will back me up on this. I did a mild joke thread about JSS as a sendup of some other threads. That sucker was deleted in less than 15 minutes while the others about Augeri and Pineda remained.

As for Pineda not experiencing criticism, you've got short memory. Here's some history.

http://www.philmusic.com/main/content/view/152/7/

[/img]http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6721/mr3pe6.jpg[img]



How can anyone forget the "Arnel Eats Dogs" mantra and mass exodus of Arnel haters?
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So true.

Not so.

I said it isn't allowed to happen - present tense and not that it wasn't allowed to happen - past tense. It's because of the past tense that some are incredibly quick to jump to Arnel's defense at every seemingly rogue comment.

[mdaemon]

Augeri was crucified on here by many posters for over a year. Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

That's because it isn't allowed to happen, which was my point.

You guys are usually on mark but not this time.

GI Jim will back me up on this. I did a mild joke thread about JSS as a sendup of some other threads. That sucker was deleted in less than 15 minutes while the others about Augeri and Pineda remained.

As for Pineda not experiencing criticism, you've got short memory. Here's some history.

http://www.philmusic.com/main/content/view/152/7/

[/img]http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6721/mr3pe6.jpg[img]



How can anyone forget the "Arnel Eats Dogs" mantra and mass exodus of Arnel haters?
[/img]

So true.

Not so.

I said it isn't allowed to happen - present tense and not that it wasn't allowed to happen - past tense. It's because of the past tense that some are incredibly quick to jump to Arnel's defense at every seemingly rogue comment.

I think StoneCold's post was in response to what NIG said that "Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure". As I said in another thread, I think Arnel had been treated the worst by some Journey fans.

[StoneCold]

Not so.

I said it isn't allowed to happen - present tense and not that it wasn't allowed to happen - past tense. It's because of the past tense that some are incredibly quick to jump to Arnel's defense at every seemingly rogue comment.

The other thread is there and since Andrew changed the title, I have no problem with the discussion carrying on. The original title was tabloid fodder which is why I agreed with Rick that it should be deleted.

Here it is in present tense:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=40036

To say that criticism isn't allowed isn't accurate. What makes this forum good is there's a lot of leeway for varying opinion.

[brywool]

Hey, they are followers. Nothing wrong with that. The biggest problem I have with the Pinoy army, is their complete lack of respect for the Classic era and Steve Perry. Most of them have no clue at all what transpired then. A shame really.

or ,,it doesnt help that the commentators said he was the Second lead singer of the band ..

but this was a fun 3 min today!! good rock ..

It also doesn't help when Arnel's performance pales by comparison with the star performances of Faith Hill and Jennifer Hudson.

easy to sound great when lipsynching. both were. Journey was not.

[Jana]

Hey, they are followers. Nothing wrong with that. The biggest problem I have with the Pinoy army, is their complete lack of respect for the Classic era and Steve Perry. Most of them have no clue at all what transpired then. A shame really.

or ,,it doesnt help that the commentators said he was the Second lead singer of the band ..

but this was a fun 3 min today!! good rock ..

It also doesn't help when Arnel's performance pales by comparison with the star performances of Faith Hill and Jennifer Hudson.

easy to sound great when lipsynching. both were.

Good point, Brywool.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Hey, they are followers. Nothing wrong with that. The biggest problem I have with the Pinoy army, is their complete lack of respect for the Classic era and Steve Perry. Most of them have no clue at all what transpired then. A shame really.

or ,,it doesnt help that the commentators said he was the Second lead singer of the band ..

but this was a fun 3 min today!! good rock ..

It also doesn't help when Arnel's performance pales by comparison with the star performances of Faith Hill and Jennifer Hudson.

easy to sound great when lipsynching. both were. Journey was not.

the Faith Hill looked pretty real man..

[brywool]

Hey, they are followers. Nothing wrong with that. The biggest problem I have with the Pinoy army, is their complete lack of respect for the Classic era and Steve Perry. Most of them have no clue at all what transpired then. A shame really.

or ,,it doesnt help that the commentators said he was the Second lead singer of the band ..

but this was a fun 3 min today!! good rock ..

It also doesn't help when Arnel's performance pales by comparison with the star performances of Faith Hill and Jennifer Hudson.

easy to sound great when lipsynching. both were. Journey was not.

the Faith Hill looked pretty real man..

There's NO way that both weren't recorded. It sounded too perfect and had just the right amount of effect, etc. There's no way either was live. It sounded like a recorded performance. Faith Hill does NOT sound great live. The Live 8 Shows she did were embarrassingly horrible.

[Lula]

didn't care for the performance at all. bored to tears with the song and quite frankly after steve augeri and then jeff scott soto i'm worn out. glad so many are still enjoying the music though.

[Jana]

Not so.

I said it isn't allowed to happen - present tense and not that it wasn't allowed to happen - past tense. It's because of the past tense that some are incredibly quick to jump to Arnel's defense at every seemingly rogue comment.

The other thread is there and since Andrew changed the title, I have no problem with the discussion carrying on. The original title was tabloid fodder which is why I agreed with Rick that it should be deleted.

Here it is in present tense:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=40036

To say that criticism isn't allowed isn't accurate. What makes this forum good is there's a lot of leeway for varying opinion.

I see criticism of Arnel on here. And some may jump to his defense all the time no matter what. But most are normal and jump to his defense, me included at times and not at times. But the same could be said about people on here jump to JSS's defense all the time at any little comment, same with SA, and especially true of Steve Perry from some diehard loons.

Old clips of Arnel were posted or some more recentLY in the Phils, some good and some okay or very average, but I didn't see anybody holding back on their views.

[Andrew]

I think StoneCold's post was in response to what NIG said that "Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure". As I said in another thread, I think Arnel had been treated the worst by some Journey fans.

It was pretty rough and largely unfair. A lot of it was simply fan frustration at the band though. Steve A also copped a huge bucket of shit and I spoke to him at length about that when in the UK last October. And I'll do so again tomorrow when I interview him for the site.

[wednesday's child]

My comment on the whole thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcCtpXKWwwI

Arnel has definitely sung, and looked, better than that.
Rust? Overcompensating for nerves? Dunno...

I nearly forgot the silly qualifiers:
1. "As much as I like Arnel..."
2. "I'm Filipino."

wech

[Rhiannon]

I honestly do think he is a helluva singer, that performance sucked.

My sentiments exactly.

[bluejeangirl76]

I honestly do think he is a helluva singer, that performance sucked.

My sentiments exactly.

+2

[Playitloudforme]

Not bad, but not great either. It was lackluster to me. I don't think it sucked, but it didn't wow me either. Just kinda a meh performance, imho.

[finalfight]

Here it is in present tense:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=40036

To say that criticism isn't allowed isn't accurate. What makes this forum good is there's a lot of leeway for varying opinion.

Again that wasn't what I meant. That thread is fact, it happened. No one was intentionally insulting Arnel by posting the news about his drug use. Even the original thread title was accurate and not as sensationalist as some claimed.

The criticism still happens but at a price.

Whatever, the fact remains that the usual reliable Pineda gave a subpar performance on a big day. He can do so much better and that's what grates.

If he keeps giving performances like this it will detract from the band as a whole and all of a sudden we are back to 2006 with longtime fans wishing for what once was. One step forward and two back.

[Jana]

Not bad, but not great either. It was lackluster to me. I don't think it sucked, but it didn't wow me either. Just kinda a meh performance, imho.

I think you nailed it. When people say it sucked, I don't get that. It was a good performance, okay, not great, no. But you're right, what was missing was there was no wow factor b/c his voice wasn't at its best.

I guess the only wow for me was finally seeing the the guys back on stage. I was happy about that.