Journey Looking Forward: Best Case Scenario

[Don]

Yeah, you're probably right about VH. I read at the end of the tour, everything fell apart as far as ticket sales went and some promoters lost a lot of money at some of the venues.

The tour played to 98% capacity. This simply is not true. That tour was the fourth-highest grossing act of 2007-2008.

It was the latter part of the 2004 tour with Sammy, my bad.

[strangegrey]

Yeah, you're probably right about VH. I read at the end of the tour, everything fell apart as far as ticket sales went and some promoters lost a lot of money at some of the venues.

The tour played to 98% capacity. This simply is not true. That tour was the fourth-highest grossing act of 2007-2008.

Agreed, this comment seems to be more directed towards the sammy tour in 04. Ed was a fall down mess of a drunk during that tour and his drinking, at least from my perspective, was worse than any other time I've seen him.

However, the DLR tour was not without its setback's issues. remember, this tour was halted a few times....most significantly in the middle of the tour. While the cover story was ear trouble that ed had....you can't help but wonder, given the history, if there was more trouble to work out between dave and ed.

It's sad, because these days, Dave seems to have really come down to earth....yet Ed, the older he gets, appears more and more fries short of a happy meal. I think years and years of massive drinking, coke and not taking the idolatry in a healthy manner, have fucked up that guy beyond repair.

Also...If the VH tour ended on such a good note, I'd love to know why they aren't either recording new music or coming out again. I've read that just before the start of the reunion tour with dave, there was literally a team of people hired to insulate Ed from Dave...that just doesn't seem healthy.

I fucking sucks...I grew up the biggest VH fan in the world....of any incarnation of this band. And it kills me that there always seems to be trouble under the covers with them.....

[brywool]

lol...another thread for lame motherfuckers to try and trivialize what Journey has done over the past 1+ year. The checklist used to look something like this:

-They'll never survive after getting rid of Soto...WRONG

-They'll never release new music...WRONG

-They'll never release a DVD with Arnel...WRONG

-They'll never tour successfully again...WRONG

-They'll never see another album chart again...WRONG

So here we are a year later with these guys firing on all cylinders, criss-crossing the globe and there are still dumb motherfuckers willing to debate whether or not they've been successful? This is irrefutable. The ticket sales, the albums sold and the million plus people played in front of are all that matters. And I don't give a fuck what the Journey corporation does with old Journey songs. Re-record them, sell them, put them in a time capsule and have the Octomom's kids jam 'em in their asses when they're 60. I don't fucking care, but for the love of consensual sodomy, please quit boring us by rehashing the topic of the "re-records." If they're cherished in their original form by you, the way they are by me, then nothing can change that. The more people bitch and bring it up the more I tend to believe that, like me, they realize Arnel smokes on a few songs (gasp) better than Nostrildamus. I swear to Christ, I hope they re-record one of them shitty albums like Infinity and/or Departure and add it in with the next CD/DVD combo just to elicit a response out of the fucking losers that can't seem to let it go. Fuck it, re-record every Journey song ever.

DANG STRAIGHT, YO!

[twinklestar]

Nostrildamus--bwahaha!!!

LUV YA, SJ!!!!

[Saint John]

Nostrildamus--bwahaha!!!

LUV YA, SJ!!!!

I believe Strangegrey coined that term, not me.

[strangegrey]

Nostrildamus--bwahaha!!!

LUV YA, SJ!!!!

I believe Strangegrey coined that term, not me.

LOL. No that one is definitely not mine. Human Nostril, Sir Nose Alot, and various others round out my phrases though....

[wednesday's child]

Best case scenario forward? For Journey?

They write an album's worth of new material and burn that badboy to disc, for release in '09.
None of this "Jon and/or Neal have a surplus of 2 year old, already-written pop" shit.
The way they'll confirm that they're a real band today is if they write new material today.
Rock tailored to Arnel's and Deen's dynamics and style, and I'm not just talking vox.

If they can find a way to do Augeri and JSS a solid nice (offer Arnel or Deen guest vocal?), so that
Jeff and Steve at least consider putting their bands on the next Journey tour, or maybe even guest voxing
on the next album, it'll resolve a lot of fucking bad history. Bonus points for getting Gregg to guest.

JM2Pesos worth of fantasy.

-wech

[Gideon]

Best case scenario forward? For Journey?

They write an album's worth of new material and burn that badboy to disc, for release in '09.
None of this "Jon and/or Neal have a surplus of 2 year old, already-written pop" shit.
The way they'll confirm that they're a real band today is if they write new material today.
Rock tailored to Arnel's and Deen's dynamics and style, and I'm not just talking vox.

If they can find a way to do Augeri and JSS a solid nice (offer Arnel or Deen guest vocal?), so that
Jeff and Steve at least consider putting their bands on the next Journey tour, or maybe even guest voxing
on the next album, it'll resolve a lot of fucking bad history. Bonus points for getting Gregg to guest.

JM2Pesos worth of fantasy.

-wech

All this for '09?

You're expecting hell to freeze over sooner than expected.

[steveo777]

Welcome to Fantasy Island. The plane....the plane!

[wednesday's child]

Best case scenario forward? For Journey?

They write an album's worth of new material and burn that badboy to disc, for release in '09.
None of this "Jon and/or Neal have a surplus of 2 year old, already-written pop" shit.
The way they'll confirm that they're a real band today is if they write new material today.
Rock tailored to Arnel's and Deen's dynamics and style, and I'm not just talking vox.

If they can find a way to do Augeri and JSS a solid nice (offer Arnel or Deen guest vocal?), so that
Jeff and Steve at least consider putting their bands on the next Journey tour, or maybe even guest voxing
on the next album, it'll resolve a lot of fucking bad history. Bonus points for getting Gregg to guest.

JM2Pesos worth of fantasy.

-wech

All this for '09?

You're expecting hell to freeze over sooner than expected.

'Hell freezing over' would be Steve "paid like a motherfucker" Perry rejoining Journey
and THAT would be 3 pesos worth of fantasy.


wech

[Red13JoePa]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

[slucero]

shoot if Perry rejoins Journey, I'll film Deano jerking off Stevew2!

[Monker]

Best case scenario forward? For Journey?

They write an album's worth of new material and burn that badboy to disc, for release in '09.
None of this "Jon and/or Neal have a surplus of 2 year old, already-written pop" shit.
The way they'll confirm that they're a real band today is if they write new material today.
Rock tailored to Arnel's and Deen's dynamics and style, and I'm not just talking vox.

If they can find a way to do Augeri and JSS a solid nice (offer Arnel or Deen guest vocal?), so that
Jeff and Steve at least consider putting their bands on the next Journey tour, or maybe even guest voxing
on the next album, it'll resolve a lot of fucking bad history. Bonus points for getting Gregg to guest.

JM2Pesos worth of fantasy.

-wech

You have got to be joking.

The 'best case' is to finish touring this year and then plan 2010. Unless they set time aside to record a proper album, they rush through and record mediocre crap....and, yes, IMO, that includes Revelation, and Generations....Mediocre crap that should have been saved for a Bad English reunion.

[wednesday's child]

Best case scenario forward? For Journey?

They write an album's worth of new material and burn that badboy to disc, for release in '09.
None of this "Jon and/or Neal have a surplus of 2 year old, already-written pop" shit.
The way they'll confirm that they're a real band today is if they write new material today.
Rock tailored to Arnel's and Deen's dynamics and style, and I'm not just talking vox.

If they can find a way to do Augeri and JSS a solid nice (offer Arnel or Deen guest vocal?), so that
Jeff and Steve at least consider putting their bands on the next Journey tour, or maybe even guest voxing
on the next album, it'll resolve a lot of fucking bad history. Bonus points for getting Gregg to guest.

JM2Pesos worth of fantasy.

-wech

You have got to be joking.

The 'best case' is to finish touring this year and then plan 2010. Unless they set time aside to record a proper album, they rush through and record mediocre crap....and, yes, IMO, that includes Revelation, and Generations....Mediocre crap that should have been saved for a Bad English reunion.

Yes, I was joking, hence the included smiley ------>

Seriously, I don't think it'll matter if they set aside two years for a new album,
if they're just going to tweak stuff that was already written when Arnel came aboard.
They know his strengths and weaknesses, and should write with them in mind.

Revelation sounds rushed all right, and the redo CD is too much garbage for me,
but little of what frustrates me seems due to rushed songwriting. The album seemed
to me a fishing expedition, at once guessing at and sounding out what the market wanted,
rather than something more cohesive and from-the-gut.

My fear is that more "honesty", burned into methacrylate discs, will only mean more sappy pop
from Jon, rather than more-muscular rock from Neal, Deen, Ross and Arnel.

They'll record two more albums, I guess; and tour in-support-of each time,
Then they'll consider a profitable farewell tour if they can't get any traction moving more CD's.

wech

[Monker]

Best case scenario forward? For Journey?

They write an album's worth of new material and burn that badboy to disc, for release in '09.
None of this "Jon and/or Neal have a surplus of 2 year old, already-written pop" shit.
The way they'll confirm that they're a real band today is if they write new material today.
Rock tailored to Arnel's and Deen's dynamics and style, and I'm not just talking vox.

If they can find a way to do Augeri and JSS a solid nice (offer Arnel or Deen guest vocal?), so that
Jeff and Steve at least consider putting their bands on the next Journey tour, or maybe even guest voxing
on the next album, it'll resolve a lot of fucking bad history. Bonus points for getting Gregg to guest.

JM2Pesos worth of fantasy.

-wech

You have got to be joking.

The 'best case' is to finish touring this year and then plan 2010. Unless they set time aside to record a proper album, they rush through and record mediocre crap....and, yes, IMO, that includes Revelation, and Generations....Mediocre crap that should have been saved for a Bad English reunion.

Yes, I was joking, hence the included smiley ------>

Seriously, I don't think it'll matter if they set aside two years for a new album,
if they're just going to tweak stuff that was already written when Arnel came aboard.
They know his strengths and weaknesses, and should write with them in mind.

Revelation sounds rushed all right, and the redo CD is too much garbage for me,
but little of what frustrates me seems due to rushed songwriting. The album seemed
to me a fishing expedition, at once guessing at and sounding out what the market wanted,
rather than something more cohesive and from-the-gut.

My fear is that more "honesty", burned into methacrylate discs, will only mean more sappy pop
from Jon, rather than more-muscular rock from Neal, Deen, Ross and Arnel.

They'll record two more albums, I guess; and tour in-support-of each time,
Then they'll consider a profitable farewell tour if they can't get any traction moving more CD's.

wech

Ain't gonna happen. Journey is into generic cookie cutter music with mediocre or bad production quality released as quickly as possible so they can get back on the road where the real money is. They are in it for the money, not the music, or the fans. Taking a year off to write and create high quality music does not make them any money...I'm sure it is viewed as losing money from not touring. That has not been in the equation since Arrival.

[stevew2]

shoot if Perry rejoins Journey, I'll film Deano jerking off Stevew2!

Its better to be jerked off than jerked on

[NealIsGod]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

[Gideon]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

I could go either way on Arrival or Revelation as to which I like better, but as for Augeri being better than Arnel live... it must have been something you had to experience firsthand, because the youtubes don't let me to conclude that at all.

[brywool]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

Don't agree here. I saw that tour and Augeri was using falsetto in parts, and not very well I'm afraid. You don't want to use it in the money notes of DSB "Hiding.... somewhere.... in the [switch to airy falsetto here] niiiiiight".


Augeri has a good voice, but Arnel is a step up power and range wise.

[S2M]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

Don't agree here. I saw that tour and Augeri was using falsetto in parts, and not very well I'm afraid. You don't want to use it in the money notes of DSB "Hiding.... somewhere.... in the [switch to airy falsetto here] niiiiiight".


Augeri has a good voice, but Arnel is a step up power and range wise.

And his horrid accent ruins it-a.

[NealIsGod]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

Don't agree here. I saw that tour and Augeri was using falsetto in parts, and not very well I'm afraid. You don't want to use it in the money notes of DSB "Hiding.... somewhere.... in the [switch to airy falsetto here] niiiiiight".


Augeri has a good voice, but Arnel is a step up power and range wise.

Augeri had many casual fans thinking he was Perry. Fact. If they would have had that WalMart deal for that tour it would have dwarfed Revelation sales.

[NealIsGod]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

Don't agree here. I saw that tour and Augeri was using falsetto in parts, and not very well I'm afraid. You don't want to use it in the money notes of DSB "Hiding.... somewhere.... in the [switch to airy falsetto here] niiiiiight".


Augeri has a good voice, but Arnel is a step up power and range wise.

And his horrid accent ruins it-a.

I was going to go there but thanks for doing it for me-ah.

[brywool]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

Don't agree here. I saw that tour and Augeri was using falsetto in parts, and not very well I'm afraid. You don't want to use it in the money notes of DSB "Hiding.... somewhere.... in the [switch to airy falsetto here] niiiiiight".


Augeri has a good voice, but Arnel is a step up power and range wise.

Augeri had many casual fans thinking he was Perry. Fact. If they would have had that WalMart deal for that tour it would have dwarfed Revelation sales.

remember what Herbie said about Deen ghosting him a LOT. I love Augeri, don't get me wrong. But his range is not what Arnel's is. Never was. As for the accent, it bothered me on the SB thing, but on the album and in the latest show clips, it doesn't bother me at all. I could care less where he's from. Many singers have accents, some of them American , doesn't mean they're not worth the price of admission.

[steveo777]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

Don't agree here. I saw that tour and Augeri was using falsetto in parts, and not very well I'm afraid. You don't want to use it in the money notes of DSB "Hiding.... somewhere.... in the [switch to airy falsetto here] niiiiiight".


Augeri has a good voice, but Arnel is a step up power and range wise.

And his horrid accent ruins it-a.

Hey, it's gotten much better. It's really apparent that he's been working on it. Cut him some slack, jack.

[NealIsGod]

Many singers have accents, some of them American , doesn't mean they're not worth the price of admission.

But sometimes they are not worth the price of admission. Even if it's a free show.

[S2M]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

Don't agree here. I saw that tour and Augeri was using falsetto in parts, and not very well I'm afraid. You don't want to use it in the money notes of DSB "Hiding.... somewhere.... in the [switch to airy falsetto here] niiiiiight".


Augeri has a good voice, but Arnel is a step up power and range wise.

Augeri had many casual fans thinking he was Perry. Fact. If they would have had that WalMart deal for that tour it would have dwarfed Revelation sales.

remember what Herbie said about Deen ghosting him a LOT. I love Augeri, don't get me wrong. But his range is not what Arnel's is. Never was. As for the accent, it bothered me on the SB thing, but on the album and in the latest show clips, it doesn't bother me at all. I could care less where he's from. Many singers have accents, some of them American , doesn't mean they're not worth the price of admission.

There's a difference between hearing Klause Meine singing original Scorpion songs with his slight german accent, which you would expect....and listening to classic Journey songs with that annoying AH after every last syllable of a line.....savvy?

[steveo777]

Fuck it, just keep em touring Asia, where nobody cares then.

[Jana]

They're in better shape than they've been since at LEAST the ROR era, arguably Frontiers.
Where's the beef?

Huh? Arrival blows away Revelation. And Augeri's first tour blew everyone away.

Don't agree here. I saw that tour and Augeri was using falsetto in parts, and not very well I'm afraid. You don't want to use it in the money notes of DSB "Hiding.... somewhere.... in the [switch to airy falsetto here] niiiiiight".


Augeri has a good voice, but Arnel is a step up power and range wise.

Augeri had many casual fans thinking he was Perry. Fact. If they would have had that WalMart deal for that tour it would have dwarfed Revelation sales.

Augeri doesn't sound like Perry to me, maybe a watered-down version of Perry. In fact, on Arrival I never think of Perry. A little more Rod Stewart with a better voice sound in some songs. So for Journey songs on the DVD he lacks that power and beautiful voice that Perry had. But on Arrival songs he shines. I absolutely love that CD melodywise and he really did a beautiful job on it.

[Don]

Look for Journey to try and hook up with BestBuy or Target on the next album, that is where the money is.

Walmart was all about the Greatest Hits Package, I don't think they're too interested in new material from Journey.

[S2M]

What they should do is join with Apple, or Creative, or Sandisc....and partner in an effort to preload every CD on an MP3 player.

and maybe start selling those little flash drives preloaded with the catalog, or the show that just ended that night. $100 gets you the catalog plus live show from that night. They'd be rolling in it.