OT: Star Trek

[Monker]

Aw damn this is gonna be great! Star Trek is making a comeback

I think I can say that Deano does not approve of your name. I hope this movie is as good as all of the hype. I can't imagine how much money that franchise has generated!

Sulu is gay

Star Trek as a whole is gay!!!! I remember seeing it on tv when I was a kid. Guys in foam suits insulted my intelligence even as a 6 year old. It's still stupid!!!

You are retarded . Foam suits? you must have been stoned

He must be thinking of Lost in Space. They had the cheesiest costumes & set designs ever. That's what I loved about it. It was so hokey it was funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYMNguzWw7A

Even so, they still had good stories....and it was great because of that. Now, the movie from a few years ago had a crappy story, and modern special affect (and a goofy CGI monkey thing), and it was a complete dispaointment. The modernized theme song rocks though...

[Jeremey]

Just saw it again for the second time.

I LOVED it!

Like a lot of people, I wasn't a big Trek fan, but Abrams movie is awesome. I love the fact that it is based on earth, and a lot of the science fiction is still based on real physics rules and ideas. Also - what a genius idea to reboot a series based on a split in the space/time stream! Genius!

Great effects, great story, great casting. Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

[verslibre]

Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

Those movies sucked! Luca$ is all about commerce, not art. His scripts blew, the acting blew, and even some of the FX blew. The new Trek blows them away.

[Monker]

Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

Those movies sucked! Luca$ is all about commerce, not art. His scripts blew, the acting blew, and even some of the FX blew. The new Trek blows them away.

Anybody who says that First Contact 'sucks' is not much of a fan of Star Trek, or sci fi in general.

[verslibre]

Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

Those movies sucked! Luca$ is all about commerce, not art. His scripts blew, the acting blew, and even some of the FX blew. The new Trek blows them away.

Anybody who says that First Contact 'sucks' is not much of a fan of Star Trek, or sci fi in general.

Do the words "Star Wars" resemble the words "First Contact" to you? What are you drinking? Don't bogart the sauce!

[Monker]

Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

Those movies sucked! Luca$ is all about commerce, not art. His scripts blew, the acting blew, and even some of the FX blew. The new Trek blows them away.

Anybody who says that First Contact 'sucks' is not much of a fan of Star Trek, or sci fi in general.

Do the words "Star Wars" resemble the words "First Contact" to you? What are you drinking? Don't bogart the sauce!

No...but, somebody elese generalized all the TNG movies together in that way. I had that post on my mind when I read yours.

[verslibre]

Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

Those movies sucked! Luca$ is all about commerce, not art. His scripts blew, the acting blew, and even some of the FX blew. The new Trek blows them away.

Anybody who says that First Contact 'sucks' is not much of a fan of Star Trek, or sci fi in general.

Do the words "Star Wars" resemble the words "First Contact" to you? What are you drinking? Don't bogart the sauce!

No...but, somebody elese generalized all the TNG movies together in that way. I had that post on my mind when I read yours.

Just about everyone I know likes First Contact. The others were so-so or cruddy, though Nemesis has its moments.

[Monker]

I am a bit put off that they copied the space battle style and all of that directly from Battlestar Galactica. I know it was inevitable that the re-imagined BSG was going to have a big impact on films and television in the future (like the way Dr. House has suddenly become Dr. Baltar from BSG) but the degree of the emulation bothers me a little.

Yeah, it was bound to happen. BSG set a lot of new standards. Best sci-fi show to date, either on the silver screen OR teevee! Stargate is for cocksmokers.

I so disagree with BSG. I think it is the most over rated shows of all time. The show became all about shocking the audience with who was going to be frakked, raped or murdered, or how close to saying the word 'fuck' without actually saying it. The story line was screwy and made no sense. BSG had great potential but they runied it by frakking with the audience instead of concetrating on the story.

IMO, the best scifi series ever is Farscape. If you don't agree, fine...But, I know I'll never watch BSG again...except maybe the DVD I have of the 30yr old movie....and I will always love Farscape episodes...They are as classic as ST or SW to me.

Stargate SG1 was OK...better for me when it became Starscape, or Fargate, whatever. Atlantis was good too. But, neither were as imaginitive or as well writter as Farscape.

[slucero]

Saw it today... friggn rocks...

[verslibre]

I so disagree with BSG. I think it is the most over rated shows of all time. The show became all about shocking the audience with who was going to be frakked, raped or murdered, or how close to saying the word 'fuck' without actually saying it. The story line was screwy and made no sense. BSG had great potential but they runied it by frakking with the audience instead of concetrating on the story.

I had no problem following the storyline.

I knew BSG wouldn't appeal to the majority of the Trekkers or the 'Gaters or the Who'oters because it was too dark. I love the concept and I love the fact that it got a muthafrakkin' reboot the way it did. It needed to be serialized, the story is just too big for a couple hours on the big screen.

IMO, the best scifi series ever is Farscape.

Isn't that more of a SF comedy?

Stargate SG1 was OK...better for me when it became Starscape, or Fargate, whatever. Atlantis was good too. But, neither were as imaginitive or as well writter as Farscape.

I enjoyed the movie with Kurt Russell and James Spader. That's about it.

[Monker]

Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

Those movies sucked! Luca$ is all about commerce, not art. His scripts blew, the acting blew, and even some of the FX blew. The new Trek blows them away.

Anybody who says that First Contact 'sucks' is not much of a fan of Star Trek, or sci fi in general.

Do the words "Star Wars" resemble the words "First Contact" to you? What are you drinking? Don't bogart the sauce!

No...but, somebody elese generalized all the TNG movies together in that way. I had that post on my mind when I read yours.

Just about everyone I know likes First Contact. The others were so-so or cruddy, though Nemesis has its moments.

Where TNG screwed up was not having a Q movie. Next to the Borg, Q was the most interesting 'character' TNG came up with. And, there were many TNG threads they could have followed up on...I always wanted to see more of Tasha's half-Romulan daughter...that would have made a good movie...a sorta female Kahn. Or, I would have loved to see more of Data's brother. Oh, well...maybe we'll see a Horta movie now.

[S2M]

Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

Those movies sucked! Luca$ is all about commerce, not art. His scripts blew, the acting blew, and even some of the FX blew. The new Trek blows them away.

Anybody who says that First Contact 'sucks' is not much of a fan of Star Trek, or sci fi in general.

Do the words "Star Wars" resemble the words "First Contact" to you? What are you drinking? Don't bogart the sauce!

No...but, somebody elese generalized all the TNG movies together in that way. I had that post on my mind when I read yours.

Just about everyone I know likes First Contact. The others were so-so or cruddy, though Nemesis has its moments.

Where TNG screwed up was not having a Q movie. Next to the Borg, Q was the most interesting 'character' TNG came up with. And, there were many TNG threads they could have followed up on...I always wanted to see more of Tasha's half-Romulan daughter...that would have made a good movie...a sorta female Kahn. Or, I would have loved to see more of Data's brother. Oh, well...maybe we'll see a Horta movie now.

TNG had basically TWO 'Q' movies.....'Encounter at Farpoint', and 'All Good Things.....'

[Monker]

I knew BSG wouldn't appeal to the majority of the Trekkers or the 'Gaters or the Who'oters because it was too dark. I love the concept and I love the fact that it got a muthafrakkin' reboot the way it did. It needed to be serialized, the story is just too big for a couple hours on the big screen.

It has nothing to do with being 'dark'. Torchwood touches on some of the same 'darkness' as BSG but does it with good stories...not 'shocking' moments. That's the difference. I LOVED the 'new' Starbuck. But, they frakked it up by making her some undead prophet person. Baltar went from being a totaly evil villan in the old series to being a conspiring genius...to being a Jesus type person.

BSG's first season rocked. The second season was 'WTF?". Razor was, "Who's getting raped or frakked next?" Then it was driving down the highway to see the next shocking accident. That's not good story telling...that's just begging for good ratings.

Yeah, I'd rather watch Dr. Who then BSG...But, I'm more in the mood for "Chronicles of Riddick" then old reruns of Dr. Who.

IMO, the best scifi series ever is Farscape.

Isn't that more of a SF comedy?

No. You've either never watched it, or you didn't pay much attention. "Red Dwarf" is scifi comedy...and is probably the best ever at that.

[Monker]

Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

Those movies sucked! Luca$ is all about commerce, not art. His scripts blew, the acting blew, and even some of the FX blew. The new Trek blows them away.

Anybody who says that First Contact 'sucks' is not much of a fan of Star Trek, or sci fi in general.

Do the words "Star Wars" resemble the words "First Contact" to you? What are you drinking? Don't bogart the sauce!

No...but, somebody elese generalized all the TNG movies together in that way. I had that post on my mind when I read yours.

Just about everyone I know likes First Contact. The others were so-so or cruddy, though Nemesis has its moments.

Where TNG screwed up was not having a Q movie. Next to the Borg, Q was the most interesting 'character' TNG came up with. And, there were many TNG threads they could have followed up on...I always wanted to see more of Tasha's half-Romulan daughter...that would have made a good movie...a sorta female Kahn. Or, I would have loved to see more of Data's brother. Oh, well...maybe we'll see a Horta movie now.

TNG had basically TWO 'Q' movies.....'Encounter at Farpoint', and 'All Good Things.....'

True, but TNG also had "Best of Both Worlds" and still had a Borg movie on the big screen...No reason they couldn't have done the same with Q.

[verslibre]

I knew BSG wouldn't appeal to the majority of the Trekkers or the 'Gaters or the Who'oters because it was too dark. I love the concept and I love the fact that it got a muthafrakkin' reboot the way it did. It needed to be serialized, the story is just too big for a couple hours on the big screen.

It has nothing to do with being 'dark'. Torchwood touches on some of the same 'darkness' as BSG but does it with good stories...not 'shocking' moments. That's the difference. I LOVED the 'new' Starbuck. But, they frakked it up by making her some undead prophet person. Baltar went from being a totaly evil villan in the old series to being a conspiring genius...to being a Jesus type person.

I didn't like the "spirit-Starbuck" revelation, either. Disappointing. The first hour of the finale rocked, though. Baltar's final role as a cultic figure (as I saw him) wasn't drastic enough for me to find fault with that aspect of the story. Baltar marched to the beat of his own drum, did he not? And he was delusional.

BSG's first season rocked. The second season was 'WTF?". Razor was, "Who's getting raped or frakked next?" Then it was driving down the highway to see the next shocking accident. That's not good story telling...that's just begging for good ratings.

Yeah, I'd rather watch Dr. Who then BSG...But, I'm more in the mood for "Chronicles of Riddick" then old reruns of Dr. Who.

Dr. Who's comeback season with Chris Eccleston had a lot going for it. I thought he served the role well, too. And though I didn't like all the stories, some really cooked. And the episode with the lone Dalek was the best Dalek-related story I've ever seen. Once that Tennant guy took over, I lost interest sooner than later. I've never been into DW, though, except for whenever PBS would run the Tom Baker episodes. I believe I gave the show a fair shake.

IMO, the best scifi series ever is Farscape.

Isn't that more of a SF comedy?

No. You've either never watched it, or you didn't pay much attention.

Both. There are only so many hours in the day.

[Rip Rokken]

Liked it better than ANY of the Star Wars prequels.

Those movies sucked! Luca$ is all about commerce, not art. His scripts blew, the acting blew, and even some of the FX blew. The new Trek blows them away.

Luca$ completely drained the magic and mythos out of Star Wars with over-over-overcommercialization. Thanks to that, I get as turned off at the sound of a light saber as I do when I hear James Hetfield's voice (or that dude from Nickelback).

[stevew2]

I cant wait to see it,Me and Brywool are going to see it tom, so he can expain the ending to me again ,this time after I see it

[Rip Rokken]

I so disagree with BSG. I think it is the most over rated shows of all time. The show became all about shocking the audience with who was going to be frakked, raped or murdered, or how close to saying the word 'f**k' without actually saying it.

I felt the exact same way. The original series was so subtle with the word "frak" that I never made the connection to the F-word until later. The new BSG was ridiculously gratuitous with it to the extent that it just turned me off. Not clever at all.

[verslibre]

All it took for you to stop watching BSG was a bunch of fraks? Say it ain't so!

[Zedul]

I am a bit put off that they copied the space battle style and all of that directly from Battlestar Galactica. I know it was inevitable that the re-imagined BSG was going to have a big impact on films and television in the future (like the way Dr. House has suddenly become Dr. Baltar from BSG) but the degree of the emulation bothers me a little.

Yeah, it was bound to happen. BSG set a lot of new standards. Best sci-fi show to date, either on the silver screen OR teevee! Stargate is for cocksmokers.

I so disagree with BSG. I think it is the most over rated shows of all time. The show became all about shocking the audience with who was going to be frakked, raped or murdered, or how close to saying the word 'fuck' without actually saying it. The story line was screwy and made no sense. BSG had great potential but they runied it by frakking with the audience instead of concetrating on the story.

IMO, the best scifi series ever is Farscape. If you don't agree, fine...But, I know I'll never watch BSG again...except maybe the DVD I have of the 30yr old movie....and I will always love Farscape episodes...They are as classic as ST or SW to me.

Stargate SG1 was OK...better for me when it became Starscape, or Fargate, whatever. Atlantis was good too. But, neither were as imaginitive or as well writter as Farscape.

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BSG is the anti-trek. It's a very subversive theological shot at the rampant atheistic dogma and nut job religious fundamentalism that is overrunning our society and institutions. It also points out the fact that technology, science, or fervent "belief" cannot save us, it only becomes a tool to turn our hatred into mass death.

It asks the question: What if there are no funky bonehead pointy eared aliens out there? What if humanity and what we make is all there is ever going to be in the universe?

The villain of the entire piece it turns out, has nothing more going on that the fact that he is an atheist and hates God and wants to evolve into a god himself. In the end, when confronted with the fact that the universe does have a plan... he goes crazy and blows his brains out.

It was brilliant... dark, but brilliant.

I love every piece of it, and I like it as much as Babylon 5 and Firefly.

I liked this new Star Trek movie... because it reminded me more of BSG, Firefly and Babylon 5 than it has any Trek in the past 20 years. Which stands to reason, because JJ is a B-5 and BSG nut.

Farscape? Muppets in space... seemed a bit silly to me, not terrible like ST:Voyager, or Stargate, just silly.

[Rip Rokken]

All it took for you to stop watching BSG was a bunch of fraks? Say it ain't so!

Actually, no. I never really got past the first few episodes. Started to watch them, but I think I missed 1 or 2 in the time before I had a DVR, and just never came back. I heard later it was a great series. Maybe I'll watch it again sometime.

I was all hopped up for Richard Hatch's new "Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming" concept which never made it. Did anyone see the pilot he created? I heard it was shown at fan conventions, but I've only seen screenshots.

http://www.battlestargalactica.com/hatchvision.htm

I just realized it was now up on YouTube, so this is the first time I've been able to see it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNk6VMg9xs

[verslibre]

All it took for you to stop watching BSG was a bunch of fraks? Say it ain't so!

Actually, no. I never really got past the first few episodes. Started to watch them, but I think I missed 1 or 2 in the time before I had a DVR, and just never came back. I heard later it was a great series. Maybe I'll watch it again sometime.

I was all hopped up for Richard Hatch's new "Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming" concept which never made it. Did anyone see the pilot he created? I heard it was shown at fan conventions, but I've only seen screenshots.

http://www.battlestargalactica.com/hatchvision.htm

I just realized it was now up on YouTube, so this is the first time I've been able to see it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNk6VMg9xs

I hit the San Diego Con ever year, and one year Rich showed it (around two or three years ago, I think). It's very "1978." I love the '70s, but it just wouldn't work today. And after a while, the old school Centurions look funny (but a "cool" kind of funny) next to the new heavy-duty Centurions.

[verslibre]

I am a bit put off that they copied the space battle style and all of that directly from Battlestar Galactica. I know it was inevitable that the re-imagined BSG was going to have a big impact on films and television in the future (like the way Dr. House has suddenly become Dr. Baltar from BSG) but the degree of the emulation bothers me a little.

Yeah, it was bound to happen. BSG set a lot of new standards. Best sci-fi show to date, either on the silver screen OR teevee! Stargate is for cocksmokers.

I so disagree with BSG. I think it is the most over rated shows of all time. The show became all about shocking the audience with who was going to be frakked, raped or murdered, or how close to saying the word 'fuck' without actually saying it. The story line was screwy and made no sense. BSG had great potential but they runied it by frakking with the audience instead of concetrating on the story.

IMO, the best scifi series ever is Farscape. If you don't agree, fine...But, I know I'll never watch BSG again...except maybe the DVD I have of the 30yr old movie....and I will always love Farscape episodes...They are as classic as ST or SW to me.

Stargate SG1 was OK...better for me when it became Starscape, or Fargate, whatever. Atlantis was good too. But, neither were as imaginitive or as well writter as Farscape.

\


BSG is the anti-trek. It's a very subversive theological shot at the rampant atheistic dogma and nut job religious fundamentalism that is overrunning our society and institutions. It also points out the fact that technology, science, or fervent "belief" cannot save us, it only becomes a tool to turn our hatred into mass death.

It asks the question: What if there are no funky bonehead pointy eared aliens out there? What if humanity and what we make is all there is ever going to be in the universe?

The villain of the entire piece it turns out, has nothing more going on that the fact that he is an atheist and hates God and wants to evolve into a god himself. In the end, when confronted with the fact that the universe does have a plan... he goes crazy and blows his brains out.

It was brilliant... dark, but brilliant.

You hit it on the head, amigo. And the body-hopping premise, which even I found irksome when I first heard of a BSG reboot, turned out to be one of the show's biggest plot points, and the Cylons having that ability made a whole lot of sense early on. I was sold immediately after watching the miniseries.

I'd just like to know why I have to wait till Fall to watch The Plan??

[Monker]

I am a bit put off that they copied the space battle style and all of that directly from Battlestar Galactica. I know it was inevitable that the re-imagined BSG was going to have a big impact on films and television in the future (like the way Dr. House has suddenly become Dr. Baltar from BSG) but the degree of the emulation bothers me a little.

Yeah, it was bound to happen. BSG set a lot of new standards. Best sci-fi show to date, either on the silver screen OR teevee! Stargate is for cocksmokers.

I so disagree with BSG. I think it is the most over rated shows of all time. The show became all about shocking the audience with who was going to be frakked, raped or murdered, or how close to saying the word 'fuck' without actually saying it. The story line was screwy and made no sense. BSG had great potential but they runied it by frakking with the audience instead of concetrating on the story.

IMO, the best scifi series ever is Farscape. If you don't agree, fine...But, I know I'll never watch BSG again...except maybe the DVD I have of the 30yr old movie....and I will always love Farscape episodes...They are as classic as ST or SW to me.

Stargate SG1 was OK...better for me when it became Starscape, or Fargate, whatever. Atlantis was good too. But, neither were as imaginitive or as well writter as Farscape.

\


BSG is the anti-trek. It's a very subversive theological shot at the rampant atheistic dogma and nut job religious fundamentalism that is overrunning our society and institutions. It also points out the fact that technology, science, or fervent "belief" cannot save us, it only becomes a tool to turn our hatred into mass death.

That is the great potential it HAD. But, it did not live up to it. It did not concentrate on the points you make above. It became a frakked up universe where the writing was done for the ratings? The "anti-trek"? That's in your imagination...something you want to be true. What is most funny about your 'points' above is in the BSG universe the religious fundamentalists (Baltar and Caprica 6) were RIGHT, and angels are real...yeah, a real slap in the face.

It asks the question: What if there are no funky bonehead pointy eared aliens out there? What if humanity and what we make is all there is ever going to be in the universe?

Yeah, and answers it with look-alike human robots who can frak and have babies with humans.

Those questions were neither asked nor answered by BSG.

The villain of the entire piece it turns out, has nothing more going on that the fact that he is an atheist and hates God and wants to evolve into a god himself. In the end, when confronted with the fact that the universe does have a plan... he goes crazy and blows his brains out.

There was no 'real' villan in BSG. Baltar was no villan.

It was brilliant... dark, but brilliant.

It was no more 'brilliant' then any given Twin Peaks episode.

Farscape? Muppets in space... seemed a bit silly to me, not terrible like ST:Voyager, or Stargate, just silly.

And, again, you've never wathed it...or, paid attention if you did.

[X factor]

I am a bit put off that they copied the space battle style and all of that directly from Battlestar Galactica. I know it was inevitable that the re-imagined BSG was going to have a big impact on films and television in the future (like the way Dr. House has suddenly become Dr. Baltar from BSG) but the degree of the emulation bothers me a little.

Yeah, it was bound to happen. BSG set a lot of new standards. Best sci-fi show to date, either on the silver screen OR teevee! Stargate is for cocksmokers.

I so disagree with BSG. I think it is the most over rated shows of all time. The show became all about shocking the audience with who was going to be frakked, raped or murdered, or how close to saying the word 'fuck' without actually saying it. The story line was screwy and made no sense. BSG had great potential but they runied it by frakking with the audience instead of concetrating on the story.

IMO, the best scifi series ever is Farscape. If you don't agree, fine...But, I know I'll never watch BSG again...except maybe the DVD I have of the 30yr old movie....and I will always love Farscape episodes...They are as classic as ST or SW to me.

Stargate SG1 was OK...better for me when it became Starscape, or Fargate, whatever. Atlantis was good too. But, neither were as imaginitive or as well writter as Farscape.

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BSG is the anti-trek. It's a very subversive theological shot at the rampant atheistic dogma and nut job religious fundamentalism that is overrunning our society and institutions. It also points out the fact that technology, science, or fervent "belief" cannot save us, it only becomes a tool to turn our hatred into mass death.

That is the great potential it HAD. But, it did not live up to it. It did not concentrate on the points you make above. It became a frakked up universe where the writing was done for the ratings? The "anti-trek"? That's in your imagination...something you want to be true. What is most funny about your 'points' above is in the BSG universe the religious fundamentalists (Baltar and Caprica 6) were RIGHT, and angels are real...yeah, a real slap in the face.

It asks the question: What if there are no funky bonehead pointy eared aliens out there? What if humanity and what we make is all there is ever going to be in the universe?

Yeah, and answers it with look-alike human robots who can frak and have babies with humans.

Those questions were neither asked nor answered by BSG.

The villain of the entire piece it turns out, has nothing more going on that the fact that he is an atheist and hates God and wants to evolve into a god himself. In the end, when confronted with the fact that the universe does have a plan... he goes crazy and blows his brains out.

There was no 'real' villan in BSG. Baltar was no villan.

It was brilliant... dark, but brilliant.

It was no more 'brilliant' then any given Twin Peaks episode.

Farscape? Muppets in space... seemed a bit silly to me, not terrible like ST:Voyager, or Stargate, just silly.

And, again, you've never wathed it...or, paid attention if you did.

I gotta disagree. Galactica WAS brilliant. The best scripted series on Television in over a decade. Wonderful, dark, conflicted well rounded characters. Villians? Hell, they were EVERYWHERE in the show. Not just Cylons or Baltar, but in the midst of the fleet! (Admiral Caine anyone?) That's one of the things I loved about the show- it allowed it's supposed Heroes to (at times) be just as bad as their enemy. A very strong message in these times in which we live.
The ending? Well you either liked it or you didn't. I, for one, loved it. The "WTF? It's God?" attitude some fans took was, to me, silly. It was telegraphed from season one that a higher power was going to play a pivitol role in this show (btw- it also did in the original series!) so no surprise there. I found the ending to be a very fulfilling end to a flawed, but nevertheless brilliant show.
Never watched Farscape- always heard it was good, though. Perhaps I'll check it out.

As for the new TREK? Outta sight! I loved (nearly) every second of it. A few small gripes (no real spoilers)
- I don't think they got Uhura right at all (though she looked great)
- Not sure about the way the Vulcans were portrayed, though this WAS a group who had gone through a radical change we didn't see in the original timeline, so who knows
- Eric Bana was a bit vanilla to me.

Other than that? Loved it- seeing it again!

[Zedul]

That is the great potential it HAD. But, it did not live up to it. It did not concentrate on the points you make above. It became a frakked up universe where the writing was done for the ratings? The "anti-trek"? That's in your imagination...something you want to be true. What is most funny about your 'points' above is in the BSG universe the religious fundamentalists (Baltar and Caprica 6) were RIGHT, and angels are real...yeah, a real slap in the face.

Yeah, and answers it with look-alike human robots who can frak and have babies with humans.

Those questions were neither asked nor answered by BSG.

There was no 'real' villan in BSG. Baltar was no villan.

It was no more 'brilliant' then any given Twin Peaks episode.

And, again, you've never wathed it...or, paid attention if you did.

Talk about not paying attention!

As for all your "critiques" you clearly didn't even understand BSG, you keep saying the wrong things.

The villain of the piece was John Cavil, the entire "Plan" was his... all the way from murdering Daniel out of jealousy, betraying the final 5 and stealing their memories, then planning the apocalypse and sticking them in the human race so they could see his master plan unfold before he finally killed them all.

The secondary villain was Admiral Cain and her band of rapists, torturers and thugs. All the horrible things you were talking about were perpetrated by her and her crew and their racism. In the end Adama had to flush them all out of the airlock and replace them with Cylon crew members, which I thought was fitting.

Baltar was not the villian.

Baltar was not a Jesus and Starbuck was not a prophet.

Baltar renounced his religious leadership, joined up in the final battle, and then became a farmer again like he was as a child and lived happily ever after with Caprica and made half Cylon babies with her.

Starbuck was an avatar sent back to guide the survivors to the new earth with a song (All Along the Watchtower) that God gave her, that was her only purpose - she didn't make any prophecies or do anything else other than just be Starbuck and fight and frak.

I didn't hate Farscape, I just didn't love it... nor did I pay deep attention to it. I have no biting criticisms of it...

I have no idea why Galatica got under your skin so much other than the fact that you clearly missed some key plot points.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I am a bit put off that they copied the space battle style and all of that directly from Battlestar Galactica. I know it was inevitable that the re-imagined BSG was going to have a big impact on films and television in the future (like the way Dr. House has suddenly become Dr. Baltar from BSG) but the degree of the emulation bothers me a little.

Yeah, it was bound to happen. BSG set a lot of new standards. Best sci-fi show to date, either on the silver screen OR teevee! Stargate is for cocksmokers.

I so disagree with BSG. I think it is the most over rated shows of all time. The show became all about shocking the audience with who was going to be frakked, raped or murdered, or how close to saying the word 'fuck' without actually saying it. The story line was screwy and made no sense. BSG had great potential but they runied it by frakking with the audience instead of concetrating on the story.

IMO, the best scifi series ever is Farscape. If you don't agree, fine...But, I know I'll never watch BSG again...except maybe the DVD I have of the 30yr old movie....and I will always love Farscape episodes...They are as classic as ST or SW to me.

Stargate SG1 was OK...better for me when it became Starscape, or Fargate, whatever. Atlantis was good too. But, neither were as imaginitive or as well writter as Farscape.

BSG actually ripped alot of stuff from Farscape.
The Number Six in Gaius's head, in particular, was a total rip-off of the Scorpius plot.
The alternative cussing vocab was also stolen from Farscape.
In the end, both Farscape and BSG made shocking the audience an end unto itself, and neither were very good scifi (I'll save that distinction for Babylon 5 and Twilight Zone), but at least Farscape retained a free-wheeling Rodenberry-on-LSD sense of fun.

BSG's self-seriousness and moreover, its derivativeness was unreal.
Even the hybrids were ripped off from Minority Report.
The final episode clinched what I feared all along...the writers just made shit up.
The resolution of the Opera House dreams subplot just proved they had no game plan.
Head writer, Ronald Moore, even admitted in a 'making of' documentary that he pulled the final five out of his ass.
Monker - did you make it to BSG's last ep?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I gotta disagree. Galactica WAS brilliant. The best scripted series on Television in over a decade. Wonderful, dark, conflicted well rounded characters. Villians? Hell, they were EVERYWHERE in the show. Not just Cylons or Baltar, but in the midst of the fleet! (Admiral Caine anyone?)

Def. some landmark episodes along the way.
Just felt it really collapsed this season.

[wastingbeerz]

New Trek was awesome... one of the best of the Trek movies, hell, one of the best movies ever, in my opinion. And yeah, I can deal with the fact that it takes place in an alternate reality as well. I heard some complaining as I left the theatre last Thursday about the movie erasing 40 years of Star Trek history... but this simply isn't true. The writers have said time and time again that the "Prime" timeline is safe and still happening... in a parallel reality. Basically, if they hadn't done this... they'd be stuck with the history we already know, possibly even having to remake TOS episodes into movies.

Still, though... I hope they manage to find Khan at some point down the line.

[RossValoryRocks]

New Trek was awesome... one of the best of the Trek movies, hell, one of the best movies ever, in my opinion. And yeah, I can deal with the fact that it takes place in an alternate reality as well. I heard some complaining as I left the theatre last Thursday about the movie erasing 40 years of Star Trek history... but this simply isn't true. The writers have said time and time again that the "Prime" timeline is safe and still happening... in a parallel reality. Basically, if they hadn't done this... they'd be stuck with the history we already know, possibly even having to remake TOS episodes into movies.

Still, though... I hope they manage to find Khan at some point down the line.

They could easily find Khan...since the Botany Bay left Earth PRIOR to the timeline being disrupted.