"journey" press conference this week in Sweden

[stargzr210]

My "trolling ass" will be right here waiting for your pitiful and ridiculous excuses/responses. Wake up, already.

Time to chill out. Now.

andrew , you forgot this
lol

[Chubby321]

My "trolling ass" will be right here waiting for your pitiful and ridiculous excuses/responses. Wake up, already.

Time to chill out. Now.

andrew , you forgot this
lol

I prefer this.....lol

[DavidC]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT?? You must be deaf. I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is. Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!! The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous. Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

HELL NO!!!!

I've been to several concerts since SP left, and two with SP btw, and I'm glad they didn't retire.

Certainly, SP was my favorite singer they had, and my favorite singer period, but Journey were started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal to try to be successful, and they made it. That's all they try to continue to be, and they are. Arnel did nothing but accept a dream job and is keeping the legacy going.

As far as Sammy and Van Halen, that was in a completely different musical climate. It may have worked for Journey then had they switched to someone different and gone in a different direction, but it wouldn't work for either band now.

UM..............NO, they weren't! Yes, Journey was started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal and they were going NOWHERE. They did not "make it" until SP joined the band; and they were even reluctant about THAT in the beginning. Yeah, AP accepted a dream job.......to his peril. One of these days he's going to wake up and realize that that he's being USED by a workaholic when he could be garnering his own fame. He won't have to find another band to front after Neal fires him for the next sound-a-like, or he leaves on his own for whatever reason. Journey doesn't need to tour for FAME....they already have it. But what is ultimately going to kill them is Neal making a complete ass out of them, which he is in the process of doing. They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yes, they were. It didn't happen until SP joined, but they did start the band to try to be successful and they obtained that. Certainly yes, with SP.

It will not be Arnel's peril for joining Journey. It will be his retirement. He won't have to work again, but I'm betting he will at some level.

DSB is the most downloaded song on iTunes. They play to capacity or near capacity crowds every where they go. I'd say they're pretty fucking popular.

Too bad they're not downloading it with AP singing it........intentionally.

[Chubby321]

Bitch all you want, that’s all you can do anyway.

For the mean time we are enjoying Journey with AP. We have concerts, you tube videos and reviews to look forward to.

[Rick]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

OMG. So, you don't think AP is a sound-a-like? Puh-leeze!! I'm still waiting for AP's "unique voice and style". When has he EVER displayed THAT?? You must be deaf. I guess its a good thing for VanHalen that Sammy didn't seek to "maintain" the VanHalen sound, thus making them GREATER as a result. Otherwise, they'd be up the same river that Journey is. Journey shouldn't be sacrificing their collective soul to please the pittance of AP followers they have now compared to what they had with SP. Epic failure? THEY'RE EXPERIENCING IT NOW!!! The only reason they're getting any attention AT ALL is because of the singer that made them famous. Looking at where they were when SP joined, the band WOULD NOT EXIST NOW. AP is riding the coattails of SP and the fame that made them famous. Period. Should the whole band have just retired? Without SP fronting them? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace.

HELL NO!!!!

I've been to several concerts since SP left, and two with SP btw, and I'm glad they didn't retire.

Certainly, SP was my favorite singer they had, and my favorite singer period, but Journey were started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal to try to be successful, and they made it. That's all they try to continue to be, and they are. Arnel did nothing but accept a dream job and is keeping the legacy going.

As far as Sammy and Van Halen, that was in a completely different musical climate. It may have worked for Journey then had they switched to someone different and gone in a different direction, but it wouldn't work for either band now.

UM..............NO, they weren't! Yes, Journey was started by Herbie, Gregg and Neal and they were going NOWHERE. They did not "make it" until SP joined the band; and they were even reluctant about THAT in the beginning. Yeah, AP accepted a dream job.......to his peril. One of these days he's going to wake up and realize that that he's being USED by a workaholic when he could be garnering his own fame. He won't have to find another band to front after Neal fires him for the next sound-a-like, or he leaves on his own for whatever reason. Journey doesn't need to tour for FAME....they already have it. But what is ultimately going to kill them is Neal making a complete ass out of them, which he is in the process of doing. They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yes, they were. It didn't happen until SP joined, but they did start the band to try to be successful and they obtained that. Certainly yes, with SP.

It will not be Arnel's peril for joining Journey. It will be his retirement. He won't have to work again, but I'm betting he will at some level.

DSB is the most downloaded song on iTunes. They play to capacity or near capacity crowds every where they go. I'd say they're pretty fucking popular.

Too bad they're not downloading it with AP singing it........intentionally.

Yeah, intentionally.

And then I guess they're unintentionally attending the concerts?

You're argument is so lame. Get some sleep then come back tomorrow and try again.

[portland]

:evil:

Steve0 & 78, you two naked savages behave yourselves. Can't you see we've got company?!? We don't want to frighten off another one. Besides, what's one more Loon? The more the merrier, right? Right?? Oh, never mind....

Yeah the welcome mat is out once again.....just make sure you agree with them.....that makes them happy!

You guys are right, I shouldn't have called him a Loon. That's an insult to you and to me actually, since I do have my Loony moments. What the guy is (judging from his post's so far) is an Arnel hater trying to stir up sh*t.
It's his right to do it and mine not to like it.

And no, you don't have to agree with me, I like you Loons the way you are.

Actually, I'm not an Arnel-hater, per se, just a sound-a-like hater in general. More specifically, I'm a my-name-is-neal-and-I-hire-whoever-I-want-to-replace-SP-because-I-think-the-real-fans-are-too-stupid-to-know-the-difference hater.

I actually am on the same page, I don't hate AP, I think he is very talented...but the whole find somone who sounds like Perry crap, is the thing that gets me, hire a singer and go a different direction, don't re-record the songs that I remember from high school and expect me as a fan to like it, I don't!!!

I don't understand it......the people who say that we hate AP, I don't even know the guy!!! and yes he is good and is working his ass off, but he still has problems with his delivery of the songs from what I have seen. Neal just thinks that everyone will accept the replacement and some just won't...he should have left it alone.


That being said, I have ordered the CD and I am going to listen to it.....both CD's that way I can come here and know that I have given it a chance...I won't be attending a concert as for me I like the old songs in my memory bank the way they are....I guess you can call me too sentimental (go ahead!)


I would like to see SA with his new band....I really like his voice now and would love to experience him live.

I think that JSS is extreamly talented.....and he got a raw deal, yes I know shit happens...right

I don't know, we will all never agree on this one, and that is one thing I know for sure!

Left what alone, Portland? Neal did not make the decision for Perry to leave the band. Neal did not cause Augeri's voice to fail. He nipped a non fit for Journey in the bud before it went too far. He did not just hire a sound alike. While AP can parrot almost any singer, he has his own unique voice and style and unless you are hearing impared, he maintains the sound that Journey is known for. Isn't that the point of Journey going on and continuing to please thousands of fans at each gig they play? So, if Neal had just left it alone, it would have spelled epic failure for the band and they would not be having the kind of success they are having now. So, should the whole band have just retired????

Left alone the songs that were re-recorded for one, and secondly in my Journey world Neal would have waited for Perry to get the surgery....according to SP he did have it done in October and would have been ready to go....now maybe I am naive or a loon....call me what you want, but what if there was never a need for a relpacement in the first place...did they not have a Grammy nomination? it seems to me to come out to your fans and say SP needs surgery...and we are supporting this and we will be back when he has recovered...I think the fans would have waited...This is just what could have happened if there was a little more communication and a little less pushing to get on the road and make money....but hey I am one fan in a legion of many who all have opinions on the subject.....you asked


Now we have a band who has had 3 to 3 1/2 lead singers (if you count Deen) - SA did carry the load for awhile..and from what I can see did a pretty good job....but if they had waited for SP what would have happened????? That just frustrates me!

You all talk about One More being sung live....I would have prefered to see it sung live by Perry for the first time not someone else....and right or wrong I feel that it could have happened.

Okay - you can start beating on me now...I am done

[Eric]

They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yeah.....sure sounds like they are struggling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-HextC6 ... L&index=11

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/yearend/ ... ours.shtml

[DrFU]

They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yeah.....sure sounds like they are struggling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-HextC6 ... L&index=11

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/yearend/ ... ours.shtml

Wow ... Bon Jovi did 99 dates and sold them all out ... that's impressive. Also impressive is the melodic/classic rock bands' domination of the top 20 (including Journey). Not bad for a genre that critics routinely dismiss as a bunch of has-beens and nostalgia acts.

[Deb]

Now we have a band who has had 3 to 3 1/2 lead singers (if you count Deen) - SA did carry the load for awhile..and from what I can see did a pretty good job....but if they had waited for SP what would have happened????? That just frustrates me!

Ahem, 4 and 1/2.

[Deb]

They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yeah.....sure sounds like they are struggling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-HextC6 ... L&index=11

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/yearend/ ... ours.shtml

Wow ... Bon Jovi did 99 dates and sold them all out ... that's impressive. Also impressive is the melodic/classic rock bands' domination of the top 20 (including Journey). Not bad for a genre that critics routinely dismiss as a bunch of has-beens and nostalgia acts.

And I for one am lovin' it. 99% of the shows I've gone to over the last few years have been melodic/classic rock bands or artists from the 70s/80s/90s that are still out there playing LIVE whether it be in arenas, clubs or casinos. And can't wait to see a re-united Mr Big show when they hit the states later. Some major talent in those four dudes!

[G.I.Jim]

They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yeah.....sure sounds like they are struggling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-HextC6 ... L&index=11

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/yearend/ ... ours.shtml

Wow ... Bon Jovi did 99 dates and sold them all out ... that's impressive. Also impressive is the melodic/classic rock bands' domination of the top 20 (including Journey). Not bad for a genre that critics routinely dismiss as a bunch of has-beens and nostalgia acts.

And I for one am lovin' it. 99% of the shows I've gone to over the last few years have been melodic/classic rock bands or artists from the 70s/80s/90s that are still out there playing LIVE whether it be in arenas, clubs or casinos. And can't wait to see a re-united Mr Big show when they hit the states later. Some major talent in those four dudes!

I didn't see that coming Deb...I'm surprised you're going.

[portland]

Now we have a band who has had 3 to 3 1/2 lead singers (if you count Deen) - SA did carry the load for awhile..and from what I can see did a pretty good job....but if they had waited for SP what would have happened????? That just frustrates me!

Ahem, 4 and 1/2.

OOOPS my BAD! - but I was going SP forward, not from the start of things!

[Deb]

Now we have a band who has had 3 to 3 1/2 lead singers (if you count Deen) - SA did carry the load for awhile..and from what I can see did a pretty good job....but if they had waited for SP what would have happened????? That just frustrates me!

Ahem, 4 and 1/2.

OOOPS my BAD! - but I was going SP forward, not from the start of things!

So was I. Official Journey frontmen...........SP, SA, JSS, AP.......and 1/2(DC).

[Deb]

They're popularity has never been lower since SP first joined the band. If he's shooting for the "good old days" of obscurity before SP, then congratulations, Neal. Your goal is in sight.

Yeah.....sure sounds like they are struggling:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-HextC6 ... L&index=11

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/yearend/ ... ours.shtml

Wow ... Bon Jovi did 99 dates and sold them all out ... that's impressive. Also impressive is the melodic/classic rock bands' domination of the top 20 (including Journey). Not bad for a genre that critics routinely dismiss as a bunch of has-beens and nostalgia acts.

And I for one am lovin' it. 99% of the shows I've gone to over the last few years have been melodic/classic rock bands or artists from the 70s/80s/90s that are still out there playing LIVE whether it be in arenas, clubs or casinos. And can't wait to see a re-united Mr Big show when they hit the states later. Some major talent in those four dudes!

I didn't see that coming Deb...I'm surprised you're going.

LOL, yep......get the hell outta my way!

[portland]

Now we have a band who has had 3 to 3 1/2 lead singers (if you count Deen) - SA did carry the load for awhile..and from what I can see did a pretty good job....but if they had waited for SP what would have happened????? That just frustrates me!

Ahem, 4 and 1/2.

OOOPS my BAD! - but I was going SP forward, not from the start of things!

So was I. Official Journey frontmen...........SP, SA, JSS, AP.......and 1/2(DC).

okay you got me....having trouble counting today....you are right....I need to go back to 1st grade

[Deacon]

Putting different nuances to already established songs is not a new phenomenon, nor does it automatically make the song sound different. A nice effort to grasp at straws, but purely ineffective/unconvincing.

With this, you're basically conceding that Pineda isn't simply a "soundalike". If AP was, inherently, a soundalike, he wouldn't attempt to use the aforementioned nuances [and the not mentioned emotions]. He would simply try to SOUND LIKE PERRY, which is what soundalikes are for, are they not?

IF Neal had wanted a simple soundalike, he would have picked the frontman for Frontiers instead of simply mindfucking him.

Your opinion about "Revelations" and the accompanying tour stops does not make it any more valid, neither does it discredit my opinion either. I could "refer" ad nauseum to that cd and it wouldn't/hasn't done anything to change my opinion, and labling your subjective examinations/explanations through intellectualizing does not make it objective thinking. Nice try, though. I'm sure you have ALOT of people cowed with your superfluous cacophoney of words, silencing them into bewilderment in the process. I will NOT be one of them, my friend. You can translate into a multiplicity of words all you like, but its still bullshit.

My opinion? What opinion? The fact that Arnel sounds different, or the fact that they're selling the fuck out of tickets?

I love how you're rationalizing though. Referring to semantics only means one thing in a debate, and everyone knows what that means...

You'll have to define "very full" to me. Is that opposed to being barely empty? The Journey I've grown to love plays to sell-out crowds. ALWAYS. That's okay. Your answer won't make a difference to me, anyway.

This means everything except the highest seats in the auditorium. By that, I don't mean the section, I mean the rows.

I know the rules of media very well, just not your interpretation of them. The "pittance" of which I speak are a finite number compared to the millions which have supported Journey in the past........many of which (including myself) are sitting on the sidelines, observing the chaos. Journey can do so much better. Their potential is being thwarted.

Obviously you don't know them if you're attacking the media coverage that was inherently positive. But, in the pursuit of fairness and objectivity, how about you provide some numbers to reinforce your thesis subsequently produced within that paragraph.



[quoteI would really love you to DISPROVE it.[/quote]

Thereby proving that you can't prove it. Sorta what I expected, though.

Let me challenge: Objectively disprove me.

I did. You did, as well, by admitting that there are certain nuances [thereby also admitting emotions also] that are different than when Perry was the frontman of Journey.

I can still hear the crickets chirping.[/b][/i]

[Gideon]

I love it that the guy whose signature proclaims "I am always right LOLOLOL!!1!" demonstrated a clear misunderstanding of the burden of proof and then, lol, asked Deacon to "disprove" his claim.

Tips for all of you yearning to be debaters: when you make a contention or a claim in a debate, you have an understood obligation to prove it. The opposition does not have an obligation to prove a negative. If, for example, you say that "the Earth is flat," you cannot demand that your opponent "prove that the Earth isn't flat."

Attempting to shift the burden of proof is a logical fallacy and typically results in a verbal assbeating from anyone who knows anything.

[Don]

I love it that the guy whose signature proclaims "I am always right LOLOLOL!!1!" demonstrated a clear misunderstanding of the burden of proof and then, lol, asked Deacon to "disprove" his claim.

Tips for all of you yearning to be debaters: when you make a contention or a claim in a debate, you have an understood obligation to prove it. The opposition does not have an obligation to prove a negative. If, for example, you say that "the Earth is flat," you cannot demand that your opponent "prove that the Earth isn't flat."

Attempting to shift the burden of proof is a logical fallacy and typically results in a verbal assbeating from anyone who knows anything.

Do they still have debate teams in school? I'm not a debater, (my days are spent crunching numbers) but are you and Deacon involved with debate beyond the realms of internet forums? Do you get involved with law debates at all? I notice Deacon has spent time in the political forum here but that you don't venture there much. Are you more into legal than political or is it all the same?

[Gideon]

Do they still have debate teams in school?

No sir. We live in Kentucky, where logic and common sense are useless things in which "them damn yankees" indulge.

I'm not a debater, (my days are spent crunching numbers)

God bless you. It takes a particular skill, and one that isn't among my own arsenal, to deal with numbers. I suck at math.

but are you and Deacon involved with debate beyond the realms of internet forums?

I debate several topics on several forums (as does Deacon), and I certainly debate a lot in class. But no formal debate team, no.

Do you get involved with law debates at all? I notice Deacon has spent time in the political forum here but that you don't venture there much. Are you more into legal than political or is it all the same?

I feel that politics is an all consuming entity. Realistically speaking, it's logistically unmanagable. TNC, who is someone whom I highly respect on here, seems to be a political mastermind as good as any. But even he cannot stay up to date on everything and, in order to really make an effective point, one must have a stranglehold on political information. This problem is further convoluted given that politicians tend to be paradoxical and contradictory depending on the date, time, and who they're having sex with.

So, essentially, I try to have a running knowledge of the most impressive matters and leave the rest to guys like TNC and Deacon, who are trying to make sense out of shit.

Law's where it's at.

[Don]

Got it.

[DavidC]

Putting different nuances to already established songs is not a new phenomenon, nor does it automatically make the song sound different. A nice effort to grasp at straws, but purely ineffective/unconvincing.

With this, you're basically conceding that Pineda isn't simply a "soundalike". If AP was, inherently, a soundalike, he wouldn't attempt to use the aforementioned nuances [and the not mentioned emotions]. He would simply try to SOUND LIKE PERRY, which is what soundalikes are for, are they not?

IF Neal had wanted a simple soundalike, he would have picked the frontman for Frontiers instead of simply mindfucking him.

Your opinion about "Revelations" and the accompanying tour stops does not make it any more valid, neither does it discredit my opinion either. I could "refer" ad nauseum to that cd and it wouldn't/hasn't done anything to change my opinion, and labling your subjective examinations/explanations through intellectualizing does not make it objective thinking. Nice try, though. I'm sure you have ALOT of people cowed with your superfluous cacophoney of words, silencing them into bewilderment in the process. I will NOT be one of them, my friend. You can translate into a multiplicity of words all you like, but its still bullshit.

My opinion? What opinion? The fact that Arnel sounds different, or the fact that they're selling the fuck out of tickets?

I love how you're rationalizing though. Referring to semantics only means one thing in a debate, and everyone knows what that means...

You'll have to define "very full" to me. Is that opposed to being barely empty? The Journey I've grown to love plays to sell-out crowds. ALWAYS. That's okay. Your answer won't make a difference to me, anyway.

This means everything except the highest seats in the auditorium. By that, I don't mean the section, I mean the rows.

I know the rules of media very well, just not your interpretation of them. The "pittance" of which I speak are a finite number compared to the millions which have supported Journey in the past........many of which (including myself) are sitting on the sidelines, observing the chaos. Journey can do so much better. Their potential is being thwarted.

Obviously you don't know them if you're attacking the media coverage that was inherently positive. But, in the pursuit of fairness and objectivity, how about you provide some numbers to reinforce your thesis subsequently produced within that paragraph.



[quoteI would really love you to DISPROVE it.

Thereby proving that you can't prove it. Sorta what I expected, though.

Let me challenge: Objectively disprove me.

I did. You did, as well, by admitting that there are certain nuances [thereby also admitting emotions also] that are different than when Perry was the frontman of Journey.

I can still hear the crickets chirping.[/b][/i][/quote]

Thank you very much for your subjective rationalizing. But we all know who is using the facts as they are, and not trying to intellectualize opinions to seem like fact. Have a nice day!!

[DavidC]

I love it that the guy whose signature proclaims "I am always right LOLOLOL!!1!" demonstrated a clear misunderstanding of the burden of proof and then, lol, asked Deacon to "disprove" his claim.

Tips for all of you yearning to be debaters: when you make a contention or a claim in a debate, you have an understood obligation to prove it. The opposition does not have an obligation to prove a negative. If, for example, you say that "the Earth is flat," you cannot demand that your opponent "prove that the Earth isn't flat."

Attempting to shift the burden of proof is a logical fallacy and typically results in a verbal assbeating from anyone who knows anything.

I couldn't agree with you more, Gideon. And just because you know Deacon longer does not make him automatically correct, but I your mind, I suppose it does. You're right, Gideon DID demonstrate a clear misunderstanding of the burden of proof, so he made up facts about "selling out tickets" as if that were a common occurance (which it hasn't been, clearly). As you have seen, his attempt to shift the burden of proof did result in a verbal assbeating, except for those who have known him longer, and will always conclude that he is right.

Have a nice day!!!

[4ever4Steve]

Six-and "one-half" singers!

Rolie.....#1
Fleischman...#2
Perry........#3
Augeri....#4
JSS.........#5
Arnel.......#6
Deen...# "1/2"

I loved Gregg and his Hammond B-3, was wild about Perry and his stratospheric notes and thought he was hot, nose and all, Loved Augeri's voice, and think he is a wonderful guy, nothing against JSS or Fleishman, but they were not right for Journey; IMO, Arnel is just fantastic, and yes I have seen him live...he looks ( and moves like a 25 year old,) and even though he is diminutive in stature, I think he is very handsome, especially with the long hair!) Of course, Deen has a GREAT voice, but really only wants to be the drummer..which I respect, but it is nice to hear him sing once in a while, too.
The band is at a high point right now, selling lots of tickets, 'Revelation' did very well, at a time when CD's aren't doing such great business...I hope the music goes on, and we get to enjoy new offerings from Journey soon!

Peace,
Anne

[Gideon]

I couldn't agree with you more, Gideon.

Well, since I've basically concluded that you're an idiot, you've practically closed negotiations with this remark.

And just because you know Deacon longer does not make him automatically correct, but I your mind, I suppose it does.

That's an interesting perspective to take. Deacon is right for a number of reasons, not the least of which is his impeccable grammar and ability to use the quote function with precision.

You're right, Gideon DID demonstrate a clear misunderstanding of the burden of proof,

I am Gideon. Deacon and you are separate entities. I always understand the burden of proof, which is due in large part to me not being an idiot.

so he made up facts about "selling out tickets" as if that were a common occurance (which it hasn't been, clearly).

Given the obscene amount of shows during the last tour that were sold out, the obvious conclusion is that it was a common occurance.

As you have seen, my attempt to shift the burden of proof did result in a verbal assbeating.

We are in agreement.

Have a nice day!!!

You too, sport.

[Deacon]

Thank you very much for your subjective rationalizing. But we all know who is using the facts as they are, and not trying to intellectualize opinions to seem like fact. Have a nice day!!

Oh, my.

I see two things wrong with your statement, David:

1) Is your cat sitting beside you? Because otherwise, there would be no option for "we" to occur in the context that you're using.

2) Are you suffering from some form of amnesia? I remember watching an episode of "House M.D." and it had a patient that showed some very trademark symptoms that you're starkly paralleling. The patient adapted to his surroundings, to put it in the shortest context, and used things from the aforementioned surroundings to supply deficits in his memory processes. You see, this isn't the first time that you've tried to use words or phrases adapted from my prior argument. "Rationalization," and let us not forget about your little tirade about how I'm trying to "intellectualize" the debate by using sophisticated words and processes.

It really is a shame. I came back for a debate and only saw a slew of crazed and irrational phrases. It's a shame, really.

[Gideon]

That was an interesting time to post.

[Deacon]

Isn't that odd.

[Gideon]

People will probably think we're the same person, you know...

[Deacon]

If we were actually the same person, how would it be possible for us to post at the same time? :S

[Gideon]

Magical powers? Two computers? Jesus?

But little do they know that I am smarter, and sexier, and cooler.

(No offense.)