A question to all who are Journey fans - past & present

[Don]

I don't get how Cain doesn't get his due on here. He doesn't just write sappy stuff. Only The Young, Edge of the Blade, Chain Reaction, many more, great songs he was a part of. He elevated Journey in songwriting. Who's sappy? some of the most amazing songs are in the Cain era, and, yeah, SOME sappy ones, too. It seems to me Perry is pretty damn sappy in the songwriting dept. Look at a lot of his solo tunes. Was Cain more pop leaning? Yeah, but he had the direction of the band with Neal and their sound to steer him, of course, until Perry wanted to go pop with ROR and Cain was in heaven.

Oh,yeah, let me go pack to b/f Cain and rock out: I'm cryin', Good Morning Girl, Patiently. Ha. They rocked out then b/c of Neal's wicked guitar offsetting some of Perry's syrupy leanings.

That is what is missing now though, those wicked guitar solos on the new stuff. It's all well and good to add that stuff to DSB or OA, songs that have been around for decades but where is the killer solos on the new stuff? Is Jon Cain blocking it. Remember, Perry was the one that got on Sony for trying to cut the solo on WCN. Cain might need to take a long walk off of a short pier.

why does no guitar solos equate with Cain? He's in awe of Neal as a player. Always was. There some are good solos on the new album.

Here comes Perry Loon Gunbot: Perry was perfect. Cain should walk the plank.

LOL...he posted over at AP's forum before but either him or they decided it wasn't a good fit. I was there. If he got rejected in plokkerville, he had nowhere to run but to loonland.

The plokkers are just like us. They just do everything behind your back instead of to your face, like the way we handle things here. I had detractors there but instead of blasting me, they would go after anyone siding with me or who had left nice comments on my blog page which was totally unfair so in the end, I packed my shit and left. From what I can see, the shout box cliches and little groups sniping each other behind the lines still exist. By the way, who's brilliant idea was it to make two websites? Nice way to split up the homegrown fans.

I was perfectly content to leave all that in the past but if you guys went to bring it up, I'm ready to roll.

Hey GB. I was messing with you man. I was there when the two sites got split. Most were in favor of the new forum format, but there were some who dug their heels in and cryed and whined about it. Some just could not resist change. That soured me on the original forum and I left it. Frankly, whoever is in charge should have just closed the other site and kept them united. In time everyone would have just adapted to the new forum.

It's done with. I just wanted to point out that all people are the same. I've lived all around and at first everyone is so wonderful when you are dealing with a new culture but eventually you realize that as people nothing is truly different when it comes to who's good and bad and time eventually exposes all the flaws of every culture as well as the good qualities.

[Eric]

Top 10 most magical (not in order)

1) Augeri "live" on Faith in the Heartland
2) Pineda live on What I needed
3) Perry on Mother/Father
4) Schon's solo in Mother/Father
5) JSS live on Keep on Runnin'
6) Perry/Schon together live on Stone in Love
7) Perry live on I'll be Alright w/o
The Arrival intro
9) When DSB starts
10) Majestic intro

I agree with a lot of the other choices here, but this is one I can't get my head around. JSS did very well on some songs, but the high notes on this one were simply out of his range. I have yet to hear ONE version of this one where he sounded anything other than straining to reach that note. Maybe if he altered the melody, I could see it as he definitely gave it a nice rocking edge, but for singing straight up, his voice just wasn't made for this one.

Deano had a soundboard boot from one show where I thought JSS owned the song...and hit NIIIIIIIIIGHT like a motherfucker

[Rockindeano]

Top 10 most magical (not in order)

1) Augeri "live" on Faith in the Heartland
2) Pineda live on What I needed
3) Perry on Mother/Father
4) Schon's solo in Mother/Father
5) JSS live on Keep on Runnin'
6) Perry/Schon together live on Stone in Love
7) Perry live on I'll be Alright w/o
The Arrival intro
9) When DSB starts
10) Majestic intro

I agree with a lot of the other choices here, but this is one I can't get my head around. JSS did very well on some songs, but the high notes on this one were simply out of his range. I have yet to hear ONE version of this one where he sounded anything other than straining to reach that note. Maybe if he altered the melody, I could see it as he definitely gave it a nice rocking edge, but for singing straight up, his voice just wasn't made for this one.

Deano had a soundboard boot from one show where I thought JSS owned the song...and hit NIIIIIIIIIGHT like a motherfucker

I still have that soundboard- Atlantic City.

Also, Augeri never sang FITH live. Never, so scratch that off the list.

[WykkedSensation]

Top 10 most magical (not in order)

1) Augeri "live" on Faith in the Heartland
2) Pineda live on What I needed
3) Perry on Mother/Father
4) Schon's solo in Mother/Father
5) JSS live on Keep on Runnin'
6) Perry/Schon together live on Stone in Love
7) Perry live on I'll be Alright w/o
The Arrival intro
9) When DSB starts
10) Majestic intro

I agree with a lot of the other choices here, but this is one I can't get my head around. JSS did very well on some songs, but the high notes on this one were simply out of his range. I have yet to hear ONE version of this one where he sounded anything other than straining to reach that note. Maybe if he altered the melody, I could see it as he definitely gave it a nice rocking edge, but for singing straight up, his voice just wasn't made for this one.

Deano had a soundboard boot from one show where I thought JSS owned the song...and hit NIIIIIIIIIGHT like a motherfucker

I still have that soundboard- Atlantic City.

Also, Augeri never sang FITH live. Never, so scratch that off the list.

Ohh yeah he did Dean.
Have audio and video after they were 'caught out' so to speak.
Its not nice.

[Rockindeano]

Top 10 most magical (not in order)

1) Augeri "live" on Faith in the Heartland
2) Pineda live on What I needed
3) Perry on Mother/Father
4) Schon's solo in Mother/Father
5) JSS live on Keep on Runnin'
6) Perry/Schon together live on Stone in Love
7) Perry live on I'll be Alright w/o
The Arrival intro
9) When DSB starts
10) Majestic intro

I agree with a lot of the other choices here, but this is one I can't get my head around. JSS did very well on some songs, but the high notes on this one were simply out of his range. I have yet to hear ONE version of this one where he sounded anything other than straining to reach that note. Maybe if he altered the melody, I could see it as he definitely gave it a nice rocking edge, but for singing straight up, his voice just wasn't made for this one.

Deano had a soundboard boot from one show where I thought JSS owned the song...and hit NIIIIIIIIIGHT like a motherfucker

I still have that soundboard- Atlantic City.

Also, Augeri never sang FITH live. Never, so scratch that off the list.

Ohh yeah he did Dean.
Have audio and video after they were 'caught out' so to speak.
Its not nice.

Yep, you beat me to it. The first 4 to 6 shows of the 30th anniversary tour were unfortunately live. My bad. Know where it was recorded from? It should be from the west coast or maybe AZ or NM.

[portland]

No.
I get it with Perry only. No offense to the others, but something about that era of music and the way those five (give and take a few roster changes) meshed so symbioncially (I think that's the word I want... its 3:30, I'm trying.) can't be replicated.
That's part of why those days are the classic ones. The quality was there, now it feels more like quantity. Not that the material now sucks, but it's not soul stirring, mind melting. It's just there. I feel the same about Perry's solo efforts. More memorable, for sure. But not Journey. Nothing that changed my life.

But I have high expectations out of music.

The reason I'm still here is mostly nostalgia, mostly social. I enjoy the live shows enough to go. They're entertaining me. But you will never catch me blasting Revelation or Generations driving down the highway.

If they step up the game and make something fresh and vivacious, I may change my mind. But all I hear on these newer albums are echos.

+1000

+

Add me to the list.....Perry is the one I listen to when I head out for a run...or in my car....there is no comparision for me...and when I close my eyes and listen to his voice to me it's perfect..and that's why I have a hard time with the songs being sung by somone else...I can't get the voice out of my head and heart

[Since 78]

No.
I get it with Perry only. No offense to the others, but something about that era of music and the way those five (give and take a few roster changes) meshed so symbioncially (I think that's the word I want... its 3:30, I'm trying.) can't be replicated.
That's part of why those days are the classic ones. The quality was there, now it feels more like quantity. Not that the material now sucks, but it's not soul stirring, mind melting. It's just there. I feel the same about Perry's solo efforts. More memorable, for sure. But not Journey. Nothing that changed my life.

But I have high expectations out of music.

The reason I'm still here is mostly nostalgia, mostly social. I enjoy the live shows enough to go. They're entertaining me. But you will never catch me blasting Revelation or Generations driving down the highway.

If they step up the game and make something fresh and vivacious, I may change my mind. But all I hear on these newer albums are echos.

+1000

+

Add me to the list.....Perry is the one I listen to when I head out for a run...or in my car....there is no comparision for me...and when I close my eyes and listen to his voice to me it's perfect..and that's why I have a hard time with the songs being sung by somone else...I can't get the voice out of my head and heart

You should see someone about that!



J/K

[Deb]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

Bullsh*t to both of ya. IMO, emotion is not intangible, not unquantifiable, and definitely not over-rated in my books. If you guys aren't hearing/seeing emotion/passion in your vocals, then your obviously listening to the wrong vocalists. Your loss. But to each his own. Nothing bores me quicker musically, than a vocalist with no emotive deliverability.

[Don]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

Bullsh*t to both of ya. IMO, not intangible, not unquantifiable, and definitely not over-rated in my books. If you guys aren't hearing/seeing emotion/passion in your vocals, then your obviously listening to the wrong vocalists. Your loss. But to each his own. Nothing bores me quicker musically, than a vocalist with no emotive deliverability.

Maybe it's because our plumbing is different than yours.

[Deb]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

Bullsh*t to both of ya. IMO, not intangible, not unquantifiable, and definitely not over-rated in my books. If you guys aren't hearing/seeing emotion/passion in your vocals, then your obviously listening to the wrong vocalists. Your loss. But to each his own. Nothing bores me quicker musically, than a vocalist with no emotive deliverability.

Maybe it's because our plumbing is different than yours.

Bah that's a cop out, just cuz your plumbing hangs on the outside.................you guys can't tell me there isn't one song out there that you just love the emotion/delivery of it. You guys just won't admit it is all.

But you may have a bit of a point. Rockstars are to women......as sports figures are to men.

[portland]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

Bullsh*t to both of ya. IMO, not intangible, not unquantifiable, and definitely not over-rated in my books. If you guys aren't hearing/seeing emotion/passion in your vocals, then your obviously listening to the wrong vocalists. Your loss. But to each his own. Nothing bores me quicker musically, than a vocalist with no emotive deliverability.

Maybe it's because our plumbing is different than yours.

Bah that's a cop out, just cuz your plumbing hangs on the outside.................you guys can't tell me there isn't one song out there that you just love the emotion/delivery of it. You guys just won't admit it is all.

Deb they would have to admit they have feelings then.....that is not going to happen!!! That's why none of the guys I grew up with never admitted that they listened to and loved Journey!

[strangegrey]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

Bullsh*t to both of ya. IMO, emotion is not intangible, not unquantifiable, and definitely not over-rated in my books. If you guys aren't hearing/seeing emotion/passion in your vocals, then your obviously listening to the wrong vocalists. Your loss. But to each his own. Nothing bores me quicker musically, than a vocalist with no emotive deliverability.

Um, Deb...I'm hearing the emotion. What I said is that emotion is often misused to identify intangibles in vocals...not that there is no emotion....but that people tend to encompass a whole bunch of other things they hear in voices and call it 'emotion'.


But, just to remain argumentative for a second, there are TONS of intangibles in Perry's vocals. You can't describe them....The women that suddenly get wet in panties when they hear his voice, can't describe it, The men that want that very power of the voice can't describe it.

It's an intangible. Maybe it's a formula to perry. Maybe he knows exactly what he needs to do to his voice to make it quiver the way it does...and maybe he's got it down to a science.

Just like Disney has their shit down to a science. But for us mere mortals, we hear Perry's voice and can't describe it's power completely. Sure, we can point out the emotion, the vibrato, the gravel....but there are nuggets of magic in there that you can't point to, you can't describe.

Just like you can't point to what makes a kid (or an overgrown adult) cry when they round the corner, look up main st, and see Cinderella's castle after a long lay away from WDW.


Does that clarify it?

[portland]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

Bullsh*t to both of ya. IMO, emotion is not intangible, not unquantifiable, and definitely not over-rated in my books. If you guys aren't hearing/seeing emotion/passion in your vocals, then your obviously listening to the wrong vocalists. Your loss. But to each his own. Nothing bores me quicker musically, than a vocalist with no emotive deliverability.

Um, Deb...I'm hearing the emotion. What I said is that emotion is often misused to identify intangibles in vocals...not that there is no emotion....but that people tend to encompass a whole bunch of other things they hear in voices and call it 'emotion'.


But, just to remain argumentative for a second, there are TONS of intangibles in Perry's vocals. You can't describe them....The women that suddenly get wet in panties when they hear his voice, can't describe it, The men that want that very power of the voice can't describe it.

It's an intangible. Maybe it's a formula to perry. Maybe he knows exactly what he needs to do to his voice to make it quiver the way it does...and maybe he's got it down to a science.

Just like Disney has their shit down to a science. But for us mere mortals, we hear Perry's voice and can't describe it's power completely. Sure, we can point out the emotion, the vibrato, the gravel....but there are nuggets of magic in there that you can't point to, you can't describe.

Just like you can't point to what makes a kid (or an overgrown adult) cry when they round the corner, look up main st, and see Cinderella's castle after a long lay away from WDW.




Does that clarify it?

WOW I actually agree with most of this...well said...and yes he has it and knows how to use it!

[steveo777]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

Bullsh*t to both of ya. IMO, not intangible, not unquantifiable, and definitely not over-rated in my books. If you guys aren't hearing/seeing emotion/passion in your vocals, then your obviously listening to the wrong vocalists. Your loss. But to each his own. Nothing bores me quicker musically, than a vocalist with no emotive deliverability.

Maybe it's because our plumbing is different than yours.

Bah that's a cop out, just cuz your plumbing hangs on the outside.................you guys can't tell me there isn't one song out there that you just love the emotion/delivery of it. You guys just won't admit it is all.

Deb they would have to admit they have feelings then.....that is not going to happen!!! That's why none of the guys I grew up with never admitted that they listened to and loved Journey!

When I was growing up you listened to and loved Journey with your date, but you just didn't play that music around your guy friends. It just wasn't cool with the guys to be a Journey fan...even though we all were, nobody could admit it.

[Deb]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

Bullsh*t to both of ya. IMO, emotion is not intangible, not unquantifiable, and definitely not over-rated in my books. If you guys aren't hearing/seeing emotion/passion in your vocals, then your obviously listening to the wrong vocalists. Your loss. But to each his own. Nothing bores me quicker musically, than a vocalist with no emotive deliverability.

Um, Deb...I'm hearing the emotion. What I said is that emotion is often misused to identify intangibles in vocals...not that there is no emotion....but that people tend to encompass a whole bunch of other things they hear in voices and call it 'emotion'.


But, just to remain argumentative for a second, there are TONS of intangibles in Perry's vocals. You can't describe them....The women that suddenly get wet in panties when they hear his voice, can't describe it, The men that want that very power of the voice can't describe it.

It's an intangible. Maybe it's a formula to perry. Maybe he knows exactly what he needs to do to his voice to make it quiver the way it does...and maybe he's got it down to a science.

Just like Disney has their shit down to a science. But for us mere mortals, we hear Perry's voice and can't describe it's power completely. Sure, we can point out the emotion, the vibrato, the gravel....but there are nuggets of magic in there that you can't point to, you can't describe.
Just like you can't point to what makes a kid (or an overgrown adult) cry when they round the corner, look up main st, and see Cinderella's castle after a long lay away from WDW.


Does that clarify it?

Yes it does, especially that sentence I bolded. Cuz I was looking at it as separate entities. Emotion and/or that undescribable magic. Perry is lucky enough to have both. Some vocalists can have tons of emotion, but yet not that intangible magic in their delivery. Very few do, but, and this is just my opinion..............I find it more prevalent in R&B influenced vocalists.

[Michigan Girl]

With Perry.. I hear emotion

Not a knock on perry here but I nominate "emotion" as not only totally unquantifiable but the single most over-used and overrated label on this board.

You're right. It's an 'intangible' factor...I see emotion used to characterize things that people can't describe in someone's voice.

It's a magic.

It's the shit they put in the water in Walt Disney World.

It's the scent of a woman....


it really is impossible to describe it. And you're right that it's overused.


But The Nostril had that Magic in spades....whatever the fuck it was....it was that. Too bad he doesn't want to share the pixie dust anymore...

Bullsh*t to both of ya. IMO, emotion is not intangible, not unquantifiable, and definitely not over-rated in my books. If you guys aren't hearing/seeing emotion/passion in your vocals, then your obviously listening to the wrong vocalists. Your loss. But to each his own. Nothing bores me quicker musically, than a vocalist with no emotive deliverability.

Um, Deb...I'm hearing the emotion. What I said is that emotion is often misused to identify intangibles in vocals...not that there is no emotion....but that people tend to encompass a whole bunch of other things they hear in voices and call it 'emotion'.


But, just to remain argumentative for a second, there are TONS of intangibles in Perry's vocals. You can't describe them....The women that suddenly get wet in panties when they hear his voice, can't describe it, The men that want that very power of the voice can't describe it.

It's an intangible. Maybe it's a formula to perry. Maybe he knows exactly what he needs to do to his voice to make it quiver the way it does...and maybe he's got it down to a science.

Just like Disney has their shit down to a science. But for us mere mortals, we hear Perry's voice and can't describe it's power completely. Sure, we can point out the emotion, the vibrato, the gravel....but there are nuggets of magic in there that you can't point to, you can't describe.

Just like you can't point to what makes a kid (or an overgrown adult) cry when they round the corner, look up main st, and see Cinderella's castle after a long lay away from WDW.


Does that clarify it?

YES!!!

[Deb]

Blades would be cool, but just having him there and writing doesn't guarantee anything. The last Night Ranger albums have sold zip. The last Shaw/Blades album was great... but covers.
The timing needs to be right, the record needs to be pushed by a proper company. Right now, with Journey's touring this past year, they really should hit the studio now while fans memories are still fresh around the world. It's been proven that the band puts on great shows with "the new guy" and they're doing well ticket-wise.
Not sure how you can say "Cain is dreadful". Might be a dork, but the guy can write great songs. The only thing I can say Neal might've strung together would be NWA which borrowed heavily from past Journey tunes, but no more than Message of Love did. Jeez, the band was on Ellen, Superbowl, etc. They weren't on Itunes with it, they weren't on the grammies ala U2, they weren't on Letterman ala U2. I think they've done pretty well considering they're not the flavour of the month.

Would rather see Blades team back up with Martin......a la TMG. Those two have great writing and stage chemistry.........and from footage, look like they have a riot hanging together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5KPqIyj ... re=related

[CHELBEL]

Perry's voice still sends me to that magical place of daydreams.
Augeri's doesn't
Soto ... nope
Pineda ... nada.

[moangel58]

Vlad, this is the way I feel, No Perry, No Journey! I do like SA with Higher Place though and After All These Years was great while it lasted. Other then that no way! Perry brought the magic and that is it!

[steveo777]

Vlad, this is the way I feel, No Perry, No Journey! I do like SA with Higher Place though and After All These Years was great while it lasted. Other then that no way! Perry brought the magic and that is it!

Ok, well, no Journey, no Perry. Try looking at it that way too.

Sometimes one man gets too much credit.....and unlike Who's crying now...they should write a song called "Who's laughing now" All the way to the bank!

[strangegrey]

Blades would be cool, but just having him there and writing doesn't guarantee anything. The last Night Ranger albums have sold zip. The last Shaw/Blades album was great... but covers.
The timing needs to be right, the record needs to be pushed by a proper company. Right now, with Journey's touring this past year, they really should hit the studio now while fans memories are still fresh around the world. It's been proven that the band puts on great shows with "the new guy" and they're doing well ticket-wise.
Not sure how you can say "Cain is dreadful". Might be a dork, but the guy can write great songs. The only thing I can say Neal might've strung together would be NWA which borrowed heavily from past Journey tunes, but no more than Message of Love did. Jeez, the band was on Ellen, Superbowl, etc. They weren't on Itunes with it, they weren't on the grammies ala U2, they weren't on Letterman ala U2. I think they've done pretty well considering they're not the flavour of the month.

Would rather see Blades team back up with Martin......a la TMG. Those two have great writing and stage chemistry.........and from footage, look like they have a riot hanging together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5KPqIyj ... re=related

From what I remember, Blades cowrote Remember me and a few tracks off of Arrival. While I love Arrival and Remember Me, I dont think they classify as 'hits' and Jack Blades being involved, didn't make it that way....


Jacks a great writer....but I feel his style has changed dramatically since the last Damn Yankees album, and for the worse. His stuff on his solo album and the sun album, are not what I would call good...

[mdaemon]

I am a new Journey fan. When I listen to Mother/Father from the Escape Houston CD, I see Deen singing and playing drums at the same time. When I listen to Perry singing Lights, I couldn't relate to him because I know he is on about San F\rancisco; a city I've never been to. However, when Arnel sings the same song, I know that we are thinking of our own city by the bay (Manila); a place where I have a lot of good memories. My favorite vocalist is Arnel; however, I would not compare anybody to him because doing so would make me *not* enjoy other singers because they, IMO, will all pale in comparison to him.

[Red13JoePa]

Also, Augeri never sang FITH live. Never, so scratch that off the list.

Irvine, opening night '05 Daddio.
I have the show and you were there I remember.

[Eric]

Blades would be cool, but just having him there and writing doesn't guarantee anything. The last Night Ranger albums have sold zip. The last Shaw/Blades album was great... but covers.
The timing needs to be right, the record needs to be pushed by a proper company. Right now, with Journey's touring this past year, they really should hit the studio now while fans memories are still fresh around the world. It's been proven that the band puts on great shows with "the new guy" and they're doing well ticket-wise.
Not sure how you can say "Cain is dreadful". Might be a dork, but the guy can write great songs. The only thing I can say Neal might've strung together would be NWA which borrowed heavily from past Journey tunes, but no more than Message of Love did. Jeez, the band was on Ellen, Superbowl, etc. They weren't on Itunes with it, they weren't on the grammies ala U2, they weren't on Letterman ala U2. I think they've done pretty well considering they're not the flavour of the month.

Would rather see Blades team back up with Martin......a la TMG. Those two have great writing and stage chemistry.........and from footage, look like they have a riot hanging together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5KPqIyj ... re=related

From what I remember, Blades cowrite Remember me and a few tracks off of Arrival. While I love Arrival and Remember Me, I dont think they classify as 'hits' and Jack Blades being involved, didn't make it that way....


Jacks a great writer....but I feel his style has changed dramatically since the last Damn Yankees album, and for the worse. His stuff on his solo album and the sun album, are not what I would call good...

I like the 2 tunes he did with Schon on his solo album, but the rest was kinda bleak:

Kelly Keagy from Ranger had some good stuff on his solo album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlsQC9rwwSo

[moangel58]

Vlad, this is the way I feel, No Perry, No Journey! I do like SA with Higher Place though and After All These Years was great while it lasted. Other then that no way! Perry brought the magic and that is it!

Ok, well, no Journey, no Perry. Try looking at it that way too.

Sometimes one man gets too much credit.....and unlike Who's crying now...they should write a song called "Who's laughing now" All the way to the bank!

I also hear ya on that one too Steveo, I hear what you're saying there too. If Journey wasn't out there singing those same songs he put out there he wouldn't be getting paid for them or did I misunderstand your post? Got to forgive me today, loss of sleep and not much coffee. When I don't have coffee in my body alot, I get a little well you know. My brain doesn't function. I am so addicted to "The Bux" it is pathetic. LOL! That is why when peeps say they don't want to go to the concerts, do they realize that he gets paid too? There is so much loyalty to that man, does he realize it at all?

[youkeepmewaiting]

Perry's voice still sends me to that magical place of daydreams.
Augeri's doesn't
Soto ... nope
Pineda ... nada.

Really? Nothing at all from the other singers? What about on JSS's solo stuff?

INfact... do you think any other singer sings with emotion?

[Michigan Girl]

Perry's voice still sends me to that magical place of daydreams.
Augeri's doesn't
Soto ... nope
Pineda ... nada.

Really? Nothing at all from the other singers? What about on JSS's solo stuff?

INfact... do you think any other singer sings with emotion?

I'm going to have to agree w/YKMW!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1uari8MZe0
if this doesn't send you....

DEB?!?!? More, please!!!

[knox]

I'll be honest. I listen to Journey so much that several times a year I have to take a break.

(For the record, I only listen to Infinity through Escape with the odd Frontiers thrown in.)

However, when I hear Perry coming through the radio on any random day, I fire up my ipod (headphones are the best way to appreciate the music) and can just lay there for an hour or so getting lost in the music.

Especially Good Morning Girl. I can listen to that song 5 times in a row no problem - probably my favorite song ever from anyone.