Neal Comments About Steve Perry On Facebook

[journeyrock]

I guess I'm out of order. You just keep losing me with the 'touring with others.' Forget what happened afterwards with the TBF debacle...as we wouldn't have been up to this point yet. Journey at this point was defunct, everyone was doing their own thing (touring with others), he was doing his own thing. There was no Journey going on. Unless he's pulling off a one-man-band show, you gotta have musicians to support your tour...a tour for his solo career. And please don't cut and paste 'they weren't playing Journey music'.

Fair enough. But that begs the question why he wouldn't even so much as allow Jonathan Cain into his show for an explanation as to the state of Journey, but when the remainder of the Journey guys were ready to reform (since he wouldn't talk or communicate with them) he suddenly felt the itch to be back in the band. It sounds to me like he thought he could leave Journey, pursue this solo career and take all of the fans and notoriety with him ... and was wrong. And it killed him to see them reforming. So what's a guy, that has no desire and/or ability to tour anymore and doesn't want the band to move on without him, to do? I think that history has answered that question for us.

Dan, as much as I hate to admit it, I absolutely agree with you on this. I believe that was exactly what was motivating him.

[Babyblue]

Typical Neal. Guy has always been a complete fucking douche! It's no surprise that so many chicks have dumped this whiny little bitch!

I see sockboy is at it again.

[Babyblue]

Neal's perceived swipe

It's not "perceived". That was the equivalent of a girl who tells her boyfriend all the reasons she's a better girlfriend to him than his ex was. "Ooooh look, to bad the ex wouldn't (sing) for you... but look at all the things *I* do because *I* love you!!"

He sounds like a catty little 14 year old. Who the hell cares if Perry sang at a baseball game or not. What difference does it make? Get over it, Neal.

That he does.

[Jana]

I guess I'm out of order. You just keep losing me with the 'touring with others.' Forget what happened afterwards with the TBF debacle...as we wouldn't have been up to this point yet. Journey at this point was defunct, everyone was doing their own thing (touring with others), he was doing his own thing. There was no Journey going on. Unless he's pulling off a one-man-band show, you gotta have musicians to support your tour...a tour for his solo career. And please don't cut and paste 'they weren't playing Journey music'.

Fair enough. But that begs the question why he wouldn't even so much as allow Jonathan Cain into his show for an explanation as to the state of Journey, but when the remainder of the Journey guys were ready to reform (since he wouldn't talk or communicate with them) he suddenly felt the itch to be back in the band. It sounds to me like he thought he could leave Journey, pursue this solo career and take all of the fans and notoriety with him ... and was wrong. And it killed him to see them reforming. So what's a guy, that has no desire and/or ability to tour anymore and doesn't want the band to move on without him, to do? I think that history has answered that question for us.

Dan, as much as I hate to admit it, I absolutely agree with you on this. I believe that was exactly what was motivating him.

I agree, too.

[slucero]

Bry.. every time I see that avatar I think "David Cassidy" or "Bobby Sherman"...

Funny, someone in the Styx forum said about half hour ago

"Why is your Avatar Hilary Clinton"?

Neato.

Oh and...

COME ON GET HAPPY!!!

I was paying you a compliment...


That Hillary comment was just mean...

[RossValoryRocks]

Did anyone REALLY expect Neal or ANYONE in Journey to, pardon the pun, sing Perry's praises as a person? His decisions to put the band on hold, not ONCE, but twice hurt ALL of them, including himself, financially.

Having had numerous converstations with them, not ONCE did any of them dis his talent...his ethics, drive and motivation...sure...

[whirlwind]

Did anyone REALLY expect Neal or ANYONE in Journey to, pardon the pun, sing Perry's praises as a person? His decisions to put the band on hold, not ONCE, but twice hurt ALL of them, including himself, financially.

Having had numerous converstations with them, not ONCE did any of them dis his talent...his ethics, drive and motivation...sure...

Oh horseshit! Anyone has the right to live their life and say "When" rather than self distruct. The band had no right to make themselves so dependent on him. How dare you question his ethics in comparison to the way the others have lived their lives? Many would say that his drive and motivation has kept the band in the publics eye for many a year now.

[Babyblue]

Did anyone REALLY expect Neal or ANYONE in Journey to, pardon the pun, sing Perry's praises as a person? His decisions to put the band on hold, not ONCE, but twice hurt ALL of them, including himself, financially.

Having had numerous converstations with them, not ONCE did any of them dis his talent...his ethics, drive and motivation...sure...

Oh horseshit! Anyone has the right to live their life and say "When" rather than self distruct. The band had no right to make themselves so dependent on him. How dare you question his ethics in comparison to the way the others have lived their lives? Many would say that his drive and motivation has kept the band in the publics eye for many a year now.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SherriBerry]

I'd take a swipe too if I were Schon. Perry blabs about not cracking the stone and then he only pops up on whatever bandwagon is winning and looks like an ass singing songs he hasn't sung in 30 years....

Steve Perry's favourite baseball team was in the World Series and he was attending a game - that isn't jumping on a bandwagon. I'm not a sports fan really, but if I had the opportunity to be at any World Series game, I would go too - and I would be up and singing along to one of my all-time favourite songs. A lot of teams use DSB as a pep song - it isn't like they have to play it because he is sitting in the crowd. And of course he is going to get up and rally the fans for the Giants - in case you missed it, Steve Perry co-wrote the song and it's still his voice blasting out of the speakers, so he has every right to do so. If they turned the camera on him and he were shown up on the big screen hunched down in his chair not singing along, THAT would look bad.

That Neal had to make a snide comment about him not singing the national anthem was like a flashback to highschool. I love Neal's music, but seriously his words sounded petty and jealous. They may not have been meant that way, but given that everything else he has said about Steve in public has been very negative, I doubt the latest is any different.

[SherriBerry]

I just wish Neal would take the high road like Perry has over the years

Yeah, gag orders suppressing the truth, being paid as a full member of a band he refused to be an active part of (and never "felt like a part of") and touring only once, but with others, between 1987 and 1998 is a real "high road."

Do you just cut and paste your responses?

If that's your rebuttal or defense, it's pretty lame. I just can't see how anyone can justify the guy not touring, but being paid. It's deplorable and just as bad as Tapegate, except it's cheating the band and not the fans. You're getting paid but you're really not earning it.

Not this again. Journey is a band, but Journey, Inc. is a business and as much as the guys are band members, they are also business partners. Just like any other business, when one partner wants to leave, the other partners generally have to buy out the exiting partner's share of the business. Unfortunately we're all aware of Neal, Jon and Ross's money problems and how unlikely it would be that they would have had enough cash to buy out Steve Perry's share of Journey, Inc. Herbie may have phrased it as SP getting paid like a sixth member, but it looks like nothing more than Steve simply taking a portion of the touring revenue over time until the amount owed to him for his share of the company he helped to build was paid in full. Since Journey isn't playing stadiums anymore, it isn't surprising it took ten years.

Quite frankly, if that were the case (and like everyone else I'm speculating), it sounds like a fair and equitable business arrangement. Steve's part of Journey was bought out, Journey got to tour, and the lawyers did not get rich in a court fight. So move on already.

[Eric]

I'd take a swipe too if I were Schon. Perry blabs about not cracking the stone and then he only pops up on whatever bandwagon is winning and looks like an ass singing songs he hasn't sung in 30 years....

Steve Perry's favourite baseball team was in the World Series and he was attending a game - that isn't jumping on a bandwagon. I'm not a sports fan really, but if I had the opportunity to be at any World Series game, I would go too - and I would be up and singing along to one of my all-time favourite songs. A lot of teams use DSB as a pep song - it isn't like they have to play it because he is sitting in the crowd. And of course he is going to get up and rally the fans for the Giants - in case you missed it, Steve Perry co-wrote the song and it's still his voice blasting out of the speakers, so he has every right to do so. If they turned the camera on him and he were shown up on the big screen hunched down in his chair not singing along, THAT would look bad.

And when he "celebrated" with the White Sox he was a fan of them too? Bottom line...he said Journey was cracking the stone for continuing on without him, yet they've made 4 albums.......and he only pops up when one of his teamS is winning the world series. I actually have no problem with what he's doing, I have a problem with what he's doing in light of what he said.

[portland]

I'd take a swipe too if I were Schon. Perry blabs about not cracking the stone and then he only pops up on whatever bandwagon is winning and looks like an ass singing songs he hasn't sung in 30 years....

Steve Perry's favourite baseball team was in the World Series and he was attending a game - that isn't jumping on a bandwagon. I'm not a sports fan really, but if I had the opportunity to be at any World Series game, I would go too - and I would be up and singing along to one of my all-time favourite songs. A lot of teams use DSB as a pep song - it isn't like they have to play it because he is sitting in the crowd. And of course he is going to get up and rally the fans for the Giants - in case you missed it, Steve Perry co-wrote the song and it's still his voice blasting out of the speakers, so he has every right to do so. If they turned the camera on him and he were shown up on the big screen hunched down in his chair not singing along, THAT would look bad.

And when he "celebrated" with the White Sox he was a fan of them too? Bottom line...he said Journey was cracking the stone for continuing on without him, yet they've made 4 albums.......and he only pops up when one of his teamS is winning the world series. I actually have no problem with what he's doing, I have a problem with what he's doing in light of what he said.

Actually you seem to have a problem with Perry.....you must be a "new" Journey fan??

[Eric]

Actually you seem to have a problem with Perry.....you must be a "new" Journey fan??

Kinda actually....summer of '88

[portland]

Actually you seem to have a problem with Perry.....you must be a "new" Journey fan??

Kinda actually....summer of '88

I wonder how I knew that.

[Deb]

Swipe. Duh.

[Rockindeano]

If that's your rebuttal or defense, it's pretty lame. I just can't see how anyone can justify the guy not touring, but being paid. It's deplorable and just as bad as Tapegate, except it's cheating the band and not the fans. You're getting paid but you're really not earning it.

Huh? You must be hitting the sauce today. Dude, I don't know for sure, but if Perry was being paid as the "6th member" of the band recently, oh boy.....if I were him, I would have seriously considered suing the crap out of the "musicians" who played fake to the live crowd. I would have sued for tarnishing the product, embarrassing the name, and for injury to self worth. Use any phrase you want, but Perry could have been harmed by his association with this band of flakes and fakes. I am sure Perry knew/knows about the tapes being used. I am also sure had it become a real story, told to the masses, which you people were dead scared of by the way, he quite possibily would have commented on it. I don't think Espee was too happy to see "Journey" robbing their fans blind.

So my point is, you can't have it both ways, Dan. You can't bitch about Perry making undeserving dollars(off music he himself contributed to by the way), and then look the other way when your heroes commit rock n roll crime. It still galls me to this fucking day the shit they pulled on us.

[Saint John]

If that's your rebuttal or defense, it's pretty lame. I just can't see how anyone can justify the guy not touring, but being paid. It's deplorable and just as bad as Tapegate, except it's cheating the band and not the fans. You're getting paid but you're really not earning it.

Huh? You must be hitting the sauce today. Dude, I don't know for sure, but if Perry was being paid as the "6th member" of the band recently, oh boy.....if I were him, I would have seriously considered suing the crap out of the "musicians" who played fake to the live crowd. I would have sued for tarnishing the product, embarrassing the name, and for injury to self worth. Use any phrase you want, but Perry could have been harmed by his association with this band of flakes and fakes. I am sure Perry knew/knows about the tapes being used. I am also sure had it become a real story, told to the masses, which you people were dead scared of by the way, he quite possibily would have commented on it. I don't think Espee was too happy to see "Journey" robbing their fans blind.

So my point is, you can't have it both ways, Dan. You can't bitch about Perry making undeserving dollars(off music he himself contributed to by the way), and then look the other way when your heroes commit rock n roll crime. It still galls me to this fucking day the shit they pulled on us.

You're missing the entire point. If Nostrildamus, as you and countless others have said, wants "nothing to do with Schon and Cain," then he shouldn't have hitched his wagon to them and collected a pay check for not doing work? Why tie your name and reputation with such "evil" people? Greed, perhaps? He can make all the money he wants playing solo tours in high school gyms and small theatres a la FTLOSM. I'm sure he'll always get performance royalties from Journey shows for "his" songs, but 6th member status is borderline extortion.

And, you know what ... I bet it killed him that he couldn't make a big deal about them playing semi-live, because he, too, was a part of the organization that perpetrated the illusion. His greed and desire to feel as though he was still "getting one over" on them was what I would assume stopped him from making this a big deal. And that's fucking hilarious.

PS And why would he even care about "tarnishing" and "embarrassing" a band he didn't "ever feel like a part of" and hasn't performed with in almost 25 years?

[Deb]

You're missing the entire point. If Nostrildamus, as you and countless others have said, wants "nothing to do with Schon and Cain," then he shouldn't have hitched his wagon to them and collected a pay check for not doing work? [/b]Why tie your name and reputation with such "evil" people? Greed, perhaps? He can make all the money he wants playing solo tours in high school gyms and small theatres a la FTLOSM. I'm sure he'll always get performance royalties from Journey shows for "his" songs, but 6th member status is borderline extortion.

And, you know what ... I bet it killed him that he couldn't make a big deal about them playing semi-live, because he, too, was a part of the organization that perpetrated the illusion. His greed and desire to feel as though he was still "getting one over" on them was what I would assume stopped him from making this a big deal. And that's fucking hilarious.

PS And why would he even care about "tarnishing" and "embarrassing" a band he didn't "ever feel like a part of" and hasn't performed with in almost 25 years?

Yep we're ALL dumbf*cks, we always seem to be missing your point. And he co-wrote those songs, why shouldn't he get paid for the use of them??

[Saint John]

Yep we're ALL dumbf*cks, we always seem to be missing your point. And he co-wrote those songs, why shouldn't he get paid for the use of them??

I'm sure he'll always get performance royalties from Journey shows for "his" songs, but 6th member status is borderline extortion.

[Deb]

LOL, why is your quote bolded? Is it THAT much more important than mine?

[Saint John]

LOL, why is your quote bolded? Is it THAT much more important than mine?

I was just pointing out that I had already addressed your comment in my prior post.

[RossValoryRocks]

Did anyone REALLY expect Neal or ANYONE in Journey to, pardon the pun, sing Perry's praises as a person? His decisions to put the band on hold, not ONCE, but twice hurt ALL of them, including himself, financially.

Having had numerous converstations with them, not ONCE did any of them dis his talent...his ethics, drive and motivation...sure...

Oh horseshit! Anyone has the right to live their life and say "When" rather than self distruct. The band had no right to make themselves so dependent on him. How dare you question his ethics in comparison to the way the others have lived their lives? Many would say that his drive and motivation has kept the band in the publics eye for many a year now.

I personally didn't question his ethics...however being part of a band is being part of a team...if a person is a lousy team member then the rest of the team has every right to call you out.

[Jeremey]

Well I think if you are a business partnership in an LLC or corporation, you can chose to sell your share, be bought out, or sit on the shares you contributed to the organization and hope to make money. If Perry was a partner in an organization he helped established, he could hold onto those shares as long as he wanted to and still be paid dividends on his investment. Those songs and recordings were part of an investment he made in Journey. I don't believe they actually cut him a share of the gate proceeds of each tour. That's not how it works. But if his agreement was to let them continue on until xx/xx/xx date before selling his share of the partnership, and the other partners agreed to it, then it sounds like a win/win for everyone involved. That's not extortion, that's just the real world business side of being in a million dollar band.

I'd think it'd be natural for the remaining partners, as old as they are, to feel like rubes out working their asses off while another silent partner sat at home collecting dividends, but here's the deal:
1) Perry, the silent partner, helped build that brand and partnership, and is due dividends as a shareholder
2) The other partners in the group agreed to whatever terms there were....or maybe they couldn't afford to buy out his shares of the partnership at the time....In either case, they've no just cause to feel ripped off
3) None of this could be the case, or all of it could be...who knows, and more importantly, what difference does it make?

[Don]

Well I think if you are a business partnership in an LLC or corporation, you can chose to sell your share, be bought out, or sit on the shares you contributed to the organization and hope to make money. If Perry was a partner in an organization he helped established, he could hold onto those shares as long as he wanted to and still be paid dividends on his investment. Those songs and recordings were part of an investment he made in Journey. I don't believe they actually cut him a share of the gate proceeds of each tour. That's not how it works. But if his agreement was to let them continue on until xx/xx/xx date before selling his share of the partnership, and the other partners agreed to it, then it sounds like a win/win for everyone involved. That's not extortion, that's just the real world business side of being in a million dollar band.

I'd think it'd be natural for the remaining partners, as old as they are, to feel like rubes out working their asses off while another silent partner sat at home collecting dividends, but here's the deal:
1) Perry, the silent partner, helped build that brand and partnership, and is due dividends as a shareholder
2) The other partners in the group agreed to whatever terms there were....or maybe they couldn't afford to buy out his shares of the partnership at the time....In either case, they've no just cause to feel ripped off
3) None of this could be the case, or all of it could be...who knows, and more importantly, what difference does it make?

Again, the same fact rears its head over and over. The band signed an agreement with the man. No one put a gun to their head. I'm not going to bring up the whole Styx/ Pink Floyd comparison again.

They signed the deal, they need to live with that.

[Jana]

It's like a divorce settlement. Both sides usually think they got shafted to listen to the ex-husband and ex-wife talk.

[SherriBerry]

I'd take a swipe too if I were Schon. Perry blabs about not cracking the stone and then he only pops up on whatever bandwagon is winning and looks like an ass singing songs he hasn't sung in 30 years....

Steve Perry's favourite baseball team was in the World Series and he was attending a game - that isn't jumping on a bandwagon. I'm not a sports fan really, but if I had the opportunity to be at any World Series game, I would go too - and I would be up and singing along to one of my all-time favourite songs. A lot of teams use DSB as a pep song - it isn't like they have to play it because he is sitting in the crowd. And of course he is going to get up and rally the fans for the Giants - in case you missed it, Steve Perry co-wrote the song and it's still his voice blasting out of the speakers, so he has every right to do so. If they turned the camera on him and he were shown up on the big screen hunched down in his chair not singing along, THAT would look bad.

And when he "celebrated" with the White Sox he was a fan of them too? Bottom line...he said Journey was cracking the stone for continuing on without him, yet they've made 4 albums.......and he only pops up when one of his teamS is winning the world series. I actually have no problem with what he's doing, I have a problem with what he's doing in light of what he said.

He was a guest of the White Sox because he is a baseball fan and the team was using DSB (and his voice) as a rallying song. The Giants were not in the series, so there was no conflict and cheering on a team at a baseball game is not jumping on a bandwagon. That someone would question his right to attend a baseball game because he is singing along to a song he helped create and made famous is utterly ridiculous.

Whether anyone thinks that SP cracked the stone or the band cracked the stone has absolutely nothing to do with him singing along to to his own voice at a baseball game. And your comment that "he said Journey was cracking the stone for continuing on without him, yet they've made 4 albums" sounds like you don't actually understand what "cracking the stone" means.

[SherriBerry]

Well I think if you are a business partnership in an LLC or corporation, you can chose to sell your share, be bought out, or sit on the shares you contributed to the organization and hope to make money. If Perry was a partner in an organization he helped established, he could hold onto those shares as long as he wanted to and still be paid dividends on his investment. Those songs and recordings were part of an investment he made in Journey. I don't believe they actually cut him a share of the gate proceeds of each tour. That's not how it works. But if his agreement was to let them continue on until xx/xx/xx date before selling his share of the partnership, and the other partners agreed to it, then it sounds like a win/win for everyone involved. That's not extortion, that's just the real world business side of being in a million dollar band.

I'd think it'd be natural for the remaining partners, as old as they are, to feel like rubes out working their asses off while another silent partner sat at home collecting dividends, but here's the deal:
1) Perry, the silent partner, helped build that brand and partnership, and is due dividends as a shareholder
2) The other partners in the group agreed to whatever terms there were....or maybe they couldn't afford to buy out his shares of the partnership at the time....In either case, they've no just cause to feel ripped off
3) None of this could be the case, or all of it could be...who knows, and more importantly, what difference does it make?

I think Jeremey has the inside scoop on this one!

[Michigan Girl]

Well I think if you are a business partnership in an LLC or corporation, you can chose to sell your share, be bought out, or sit on the shares you contributed to the organization and hope to make money. If Perry was a partner in an organization he helped established, he could hold onto those shares as long as he wanted to and still be paid dividends on his investment. Those songs and recordings were part of an investment he made in Journey. I don't believe they actually cut him a share of the gate proceeds of each tour. That's not how it works. But if his agreement was to let them continue on until xx/xx/xx date before selling his share of the partnership, and the other partners agreed to it, then it sounds like a win/win for everyone involved. That's not extortion, that's just the real world business side of being in a million dollar band.

I'd think it'd be natural for the remaining partners, as old as they are, to feel like rubes out working their asses off while another silent partner sat at home collecting dividends, but here's the deal:
1) Perry, the silent partner, helped build that brand and partnership, and is due dividends as a shareholder
2) The other partners in the group agreed to whatever terms there were....or maybe they couldn't afford to buy out his shares of the partnership at the time....In either case, they've no just cause to feel ripped off
3) None of this could be the case, or all of it could be...who knows, and more importantly, what difference does it make?

I think Jeremey has the inside scoop on this one!

Possibly ...or he could just be using
good business logic ...anyone ever been on the silent end of a business partnership?!?!
Sounds right to me!!

[Red13JoePa]

Definite swipe.

Neal no longer refrains from buzzing Kinnison's tower.

I'm off his FB too, seems like it morphed into just a fan page maybe.

[Don]

Definite swipe.

Neal no longer refrains from buzzing Kinnison's tower.

I'm off his FB too, seems like it morphed into just a fan page maybe.

A lot of the acts that were using their personal pages for all communication have now made just dedicated fan pages because of the 5,000 friend limit on the former. People not defriended yet still post stuff from Neal's private FB onto the fan page so you're not missing anything.
You just have to filter through the other stuff.