Set List Suggestion

[Don]

The other thing that baffles me about the set list is how they have abandoned the fresh extended versions they came up with on the Revelations tour and gone back to the tired uninspired versions of the dirty dozen.

If they did those extended versions again, they would only be able to play 11 songs before their time is up. They're only doing 15 as it is right now.

True, but I heard Neal's been doing an awful lot of noodling, and Arnel's had some nights where he's struggling, so wouldn't the extended versions give Arnel a bit of rest and give Neal the chance to noodle less but noodle better? Quality, Neal. Quality!

Quality? All you have to do is look at that mutt Neal just pulled out of the kennel to see what his standards are. Seriously, when's the last time Neal has pulled off solos or instrumentals like the ones he used to do live in the pre-Escape days? He tends to do nothing but shred now and frankly, it's doesn't sound that great live anymore.

You don't think Neal's playing on the extended versions they did for Revelations tour was quality? I do.

The last thing I saw him play live over the last few years that I consider top Quality was A Prayer For Peace, which he did on his solo tour. Right now, Miles is the better live player believe it or not.

[Saint John]

Right now, Miles is the better live player believe it or not.

I said that in 2009, when I saw them both on back to back nights. Here's what I said 4-1-10:

"I swear ... I saw that kid play for over an hour and a half from no more than 10 feet away at Frank's party and I liked him more than Neal. He's not as fast, not as melodic, but his playing has more life, more diversity and he's able to perform a solo that doesn't start out slow and then shred like mad ... like every Neal solo for the last 20 years.

If Miles can learn Neal's soulful speed runs and melodic artistry, and Neal can learn to play slower, full of life, non-formatted solos, you'll be looking at two of the best guitarists out there today. I saw them on back to back nights last year and Miles kicked his ass, to this guy's ears. I wanted to respectfully allude to that when I said a few words to Miles after his gig, but I don't like bothering these guys. A picture and a "Hey, man, you fucking rocked out tonight" was good enough for me.

PS Miles' band was better than SS, The Neal Schon Band (from what I've been able to see on youtube), Steve Lukather's band and Trev Lukather's band. Trev has a nice band. I really liked them. They're a close second. Kids with better bands than their famous dads. Love it."

[Don]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

[Rick]

Right now, Miles is the better live player believe it or not.

I said that in 2009, when I saw them both on back to back nights. Here's what I said 4-1-10:

"I swear ... I saw that kid play for over an hour and a half from no more than 10 feet away at Frank's party and I liked him more than Neal. He's not as fast, not as melodic, but his playing has more life, more diversity and he's able to perform a solo that doesn't start out slow and then shred like mad ... like every Neal solo for the last 20 years.

If Miles can learn Neal's soulful speed runs and melodic artistry, and Neal can learn to play slower, full of life, non-formatted solos, you'll be looking at two of the best guitarists out there today. I saw them on back to back nights last year and Miles kicked his ass, to this guy's ears. I wanted to respectfully allude to that when I said a few words to Miles after his gig, but I don't like bothering these guys. A picture and a "Hey, man, you fucking rocked out tonight" was good enough for me.

PS Miles' band was better than SS, The Neal Schon Band (from what I've been able to see on youtube), Steve Lukather's band and Trev Lukather's band. Trev has a nice band. I really liked them. They're a close second. Kids with better bands than their famous dads. Love it."

If Neal wants to help his son, he needs to take him on tour with Journey. It would be a hoot for any fan to see that. All he tells his son is to go out there and play, which is good advice, but seriously, I don't know how Journey couldn't benefit from another guitarist. But then Jon would want Madison up there as well, and there you go.

[steveo777]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

Dump COH and we're in business. And I agree on AIP. Neal has proven that he doesn't excel in good decision making lately, assuming the set lists
are his choices. Crazy shit that they're only playing one song from Eclipse on it's namesake tour.

[Saint John]

Right now, Miles is the better live player believe it or not.

I said that in 2009, when I saw them both on back to back nights. Here's what I said 4-1-10:

"I swear ... I saw that kid play for over an hour and a half from no more than 10 feet away at Frank's party and I liked him more than Neal. He's not as fast, not as melodic, but his playing has more life, more diversity and he's able to perform a solo that doesn't start out slow and then shred like mad ... like every Neal solo for the last 20 years.

If Miles can learn Neal's soulful speed runs and melodic artistry, and Neal can learn to play slower, full of life, non-formatted solos, you'll be looking at two of the best guitarists out there today. I saw them on back to back nights last year and Miles kicked his ass, to this guy's ears. I wanted to respectfully allude to that when I said a few words to Miles after his gig, but I don't like bothering these guys. A picture and a "Hey, man, you fucking rocked out tonight" was good enough for me.

PS Miles' band was better than SS, The Neal Schon Band (from what I've been able to see on youtube), Steve Lukather's band and Trev Lukather's band. Trev has a nice band. I really liked them. They're a close second. Kids with better bands than their famous dads. Love it."

If Neal wants to help his son, he needs to take him on tour with Journey. It would be a hoot for any fan to see that. All he tells his son is to go out there and play, which is good advice, but seriously, I don't know how Journey couldn't benefit from another guitarist. But then Jon would want Madison up there as well, and there you go.

The most important thing is that it would make the band stronger. Jon needs to sit and play keys on certain songs, rather than playing rhythm with pre-recorded keys. As for Madison, bring her aboard for harmonies, but afford her the convenience of being backstage and out of the spotlight. Unless, of course, she wanted to be out there. I think the crowds would respect and enjoy these decisions.

[Greg]

The most important thing is that it would make the band stronger. Jon needs to sit and play keys on certain songs, rather than playing rhythm with pre-recorded keys. As for Madison, bring her aboard for harmonies, but afford her the convenience of being backstage and out of the spotlight. Unless, of course, she wanted to be out there. I think the crowds would respect and enjoy these decisions.

I agree with you! I would much rather Jon stay on keys and Neal have a studio musician come in and play rhythm guitar, or as Rick alluded to, having Miles come and play.

[Red13JoePa]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

[Jana]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

But they could play Resonate. Fantastic song.

[Ehwmatt]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

At the professional musician level, songs can be learned basically overnight, particularly when it involves the players who played on the original song itself. This is not why it's not being played.

[Pelata]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

At the professional musician level, songs can be learned basically overnight, particularly when it involves the players who played on the original song itself. This is not why it's not being played.

I would wager that it's not being played because it doesn't jive with Neal's plans to force a ton of guitar noodling into the set...with the set time they'd either have to A- cut a more known song, B- replace COH with AIP, or C- shorten Neal's shredding spotlights...none of which they want to do with only a month left in the tour.

[Ehwmatt]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

At the professional musician level, songs can be learned basically overnight, particularly when it involves the players who played on the original song itself. This is not why it's not being played.

I would wager that it's not being played because it doesn't jive with Neal's plans to force a ton of guitar noodling into the set...with the set time they'd either have to A- cut a more known song, B- replace COH with AIP, or C- shorten Neal's shredding spotlights...none of which they want to do with only a month left in the tour.

Probably right, but then again, AIP has quite a bit of guitar work. It'd be cool to at least hear the intro solo live.

[Majestic]

If Neal wants to help his son, he needs to take him on tour with Journey. It would be a hoot for any fan to see that. All he tells his son is to go out there and play, which is good advice, but seriously, I don't know how Journey couldn't benefit from another guitarist. But then Jon would want Madison up there as well, and there you go.

This would really help Journey too if they want to make more Eclipse songs work better, because one ax doesn't seem to get it live, and Jonathan is ok, but not great. Seems like they've given up playing anything off of Eclipse though. Except the one most of us hate.

[Red13JoePa]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

At the professional musician level, songs can be learned basically overnight, particularly when it involves the players who played on the original song itself. This is not why it's not being played.

Obviously they could get it clocked in 1 rehearsal probably. Wasn't saying it was impossible to learn.

[Don]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

They rehearsed it when they got back from Europe. AP said they would be adding it in and with the song released it as a single it seemed like a no brainer. The track has been on the A/C chart for a month now. If you want to give Eclipse a fighting chance, why not play the song live. The album isn't cracking half a grand in sales per week now and the tour is in the last quarter already.
If Journey think they are going to pull it out in 2012 and it's going to ignite sales, they're crazy. Wal-Mart's music division is tanking big time, they're not going to promo a year old release (hell,they didn't promo Eclipse when it was a day old for that matter).

[Pelata]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

They rehearsed it when they got back from Europe. AP said they would be adding it in and with the song released it as a single it seemed like a no brainer. The track has been on the A/C chart for a month now. If you want to give Eclipse a fighting chance, why not play the song live. The album isn't cracking half a grand in sales per week now and the tour is in the last quarter already.
If Journey think they are going to pull it out in 2012 and it's going to ignite sales, they're crazy. Wal-Mart's music division is tanking big time, they're not going to promo a year old release (hell,they didn't promo Eclipse when it was a day old for that matter).

Maybe AIP is not on radio in all markets? Maybe the markets where AIP is on radio have already been played?

I don't think something charting necessarily means its on every station in every market...

[steveo777]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

They rehearsed it when they got back from Europe. AP said they would be adding it in and with the song released it as a single it seemed like a no brainer. The track has been on the A/C chart for a month now. If you want to give Eclipse a fighting chance, why not play the song live. The album isn't cracking half a grand in sales per week now and the tour is in the last quarter already.
If Journey think they are going to pull it out in 2012 and it's going to ignite sales, they're crazy. Wal-Mart's music division is tanking big time, they're not going to promo a year old release (hell,they didn't promo Eclipse when it was a day old for that matter).

Maybe AIP is not on radio in all markets? Maybe the markets where AIP is on radio have already been played?

I don't think something charting necessarily means its on every station in every market...

AIP has never been played live, that I know of.

[Pelata]

Escape has replaced EOTM. One song from Eclipse now in the setlist. What's so hard about playing AIP?

I guess they'd have to learn it....seems like it wasn;t rehearsed prior to the tour.

Not sure how that would be given it was a planned single release but...


But then again, how much did they rehearse Separate Ways before debuting that in '82? Think the story goes that they tried it at soundcheck and boom there it was that night. Guess that was prior to click tracks and computers and you could play kind of a working version.

They rehearsed it when they got back from Europe. AP said they would be adding it in and with the song released it as a single it seemed like a no brainer. The track has been on the A/C chart for a month now. If you want to give Eclipse a fighting chance, why not play the song live. The album isn't cracking half a grand in sales per week now and the tour is in the last quarter already.
If Journey think they are going to pull it out in 2012 and it's going to ignite sales, they're crazy. Wal-Mart's music division is tanking big time, they're not going to promo a year old release (hell,they didn't promo Eclipse when it was a day old for that matter).

Maybe AIP is not on radio in all markets? Maybe the markets where AIP is on radio have already been played?

I don't think something charting necessarily means its on every station in every market...

AIP has never been played live, that I know of.

That's not what I meant. It's on radio now, apparently, but that doesn't mean that every station in the country is playing it. The band could have already played the markets/parts of the country where it is playing...in other words, they missed it. If that's the case, playing AIP doesn't make any more or less sense than playing COH. If they played AIP in a market/town where it's NOT on the radio, it won't really do anything.

[RSParker]

Separate Ways
Stone In Love
Who's Cryin' Now
Chain Of Love
Ask The Lonely
Send Her My Love
City Of Hope
Don't Stop Believin'
Wheel In The Sky
Faithfully
Resonate
The Party's Over (Deen)
After The Fall (Deen)
Human Feel
Only The Young

Encore:

Open Arms
Never Walk Away
Any Way You Want It

Good List, unfortunately, that is a four hour show with all the guitar solos!.


WE GET IT, YOU CAN FREAKING PLAY!

[Archetype]

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Ask The Lonely
I'll Be Alright Without You
Message Of Love
Only The Young
Change For The Better
Escape
Higher Place
Resonate
Open Arms
Lights
Anything Is Possible
She's A Mystery
Wheel In The Sky
Turn Down The World Tonight
Be Good To Yourself
Place In Your Heart
With Your Love
Any Way You Want It
Faithfully
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Stone In Love
To Whom It May Concern
Don't Stop Believing

[scarab]

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Ask The Lonely
I'll Be Alright Without You
Message Of Love
Only The Young
Change For The Better
Escape
Higher Place
Resonate
Open Arms
Lights
Anything Is Possible
She's A Mystery
Wheel In The Sky
Turn Down The World Tonight
Be Good To Yourself
Place In Your Heart
With Your Love
Any Way You Want It
Faithfully
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Stone In Love
To Whom It May Concern
Don't Stop Believing

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