Tantra

[Jana]

Arnel's voice is not thin at all. Compare it to someone who does have a thin voice, like Deen or Hugo.

Bingo.

[Don]

I think they actually held Arnel's voice back on this record. There was times I was waiting for him to really tear it up but it never quite happened. You could feel him getting close but it's like he would step off the gas at the last second.

[parfait]

Ah... Women.

You're multilingual, are you not? Can't you recognize Kitchenspeak?

Why would I bother learning women speech? Only thing you need to know how to say is:

"Suck my dick, play with my balls and make me a sandwich." I bet MG can do a mean... sandwich.

[Don]

He's his own voice now, the voice of the direction that Journey is now going.
Reality is that this is not a Perry driven band now and people need to try and sever that
connection, as far as new music is concerned. He has the soul and emotion to deliver their
music but if people don't want to hear it, they won't. I understand, but it is what it is and
I'm happy to have what we do. I think Tantra is a stunning song and I'm not trying to make
a Perry connection on it. AP owns the song.

Agreed. He doesn't sound like Perry whatsoever on this album and he's really stepped up. Some may not dig Arnel, but I just don't see how you can argue with a voice like this guy has. Amazing stuff this guy is singing. He's singing it with heart, range, soul, and power.

I would say there is one instance where he sounds EXACTLY like Perry on this album. Only once but it's really spot on. The latter part of She's A Mystery when he is almost shouting to match the screaming guitars, it's Steve Perry to a 'T'

[SYNCH]

I would say there is one instance where he sounds EXACTLY like Perry on this album. Only once but it's really spot on. The latter part of She's A Mystery when he is almost shouting to match the screaming guitars, it's Steve Perry to a 'T'

I'm hearing some in Someone @3:45, maybe the huskier Perry

[YoungJRNY]

He's his own voice now, the voice of the direction that Journey is now going.
Reality is that this is not a Perry driven band now and people need to try and sever that
connection, as far as new music is concerned. He has the soul and emotion to deliver their
music but if people don't want to hear it, they won't. I understand, but it is what it is and
I'm happy to have what we do. I think Tantra is a stunning song and I'm not trying to make
a Perry connection on it. AP owns the song.

Agreed. He doesn't sound like Perry whatsoever on this album and he's really stepped up. Some may not dig Arnel, but I just don't see how you can argue with a voice like this guy has. Amazing stuff this guy is singing. He's singing it with heart, range, soul, and power.

I would say there is one instance where he sounds EXACTLY like Perry on this album. Only once but it's really spot on. The latter part of She's A Mystery when he is almost shouting to match the screaming guitars, it's Steve Perry to a 'T'

^This. Good catch, Don. I can't get over the few instances where he almost sounds and emulates Perry to an absolute mirror and replication. She's a Mystery really is one of those tunes to where when it comes on, I truly get this feeling of gladness that a song like this has come next. Refreshing in its own right. That note he hit while "shouting with the screaming guitars" was replayed with me for awhile and when I showed my girl she just shook her head like "Wow.." Here was my review of She's A Mystery.

She's A Mystery: A Southern romantic vibe going on here. This is one of those songs I was talking about to where Arnel's voice is distinguished into his own voice phenomena here. Come to think of it, I really dig She's a Mystery. Like I said, Southern-folk romance and the way Arnel sings it feels so light and so unbelievably clear. I also like the guitar in this. A break from the over-temporized guitar is kind of a breath of fresh air and right when you long for it, BOOM it hits and brings you right back into a rocker mentality. The killer note Arnel hits at 5:36 is mightily impressive! Very cool tune. 7.4/10

[Liquid_Drummer]

This is my custom version.

Chain of Love (should have been 1st as it builds before beating your head in)
When you let Someone (This sound sound so Evolution era during the verses to me)
Tantra edited (took the disney crap from the front and the end out and you have a different song and maybe my fav)
Edge of the moment
Resonate
Ritual
City of hope
She's a mystery (on the fence a little)
Venus.

8 of 13. Thats a damn good ratio these days. Well 7.75 to be technical from the edits to tantra.

No Anything is Possible?

Dont like that one. Too direct with the lyrics. I feel like I should be in a self improvement montage or something. Nothing wrong with a positive message but I think it could have better if the lyrics used a bit more metaphor. Didnt like the vocal intro to tantra but LOVE the middle and end up till they repeat the same disney sounding thing again so I edited it out of my version. My tanta has the drums coming in after the 1st break in the keys before the vox starts. Now its my favorite song. Heheh..

[Majestic]

His vox are thin throughout ...BB was absolutely on target!!
I'm trying to look past that!! If you hear soul, that's great ...
I absolutely do not and you do not wear this motown girl's
ears!!!

That's bullshit. His vocals are far from "thin throughout". We all get you ladies love to piss all over (don't do it, beshad) on the current Journey, but the fact is that Arnel is brining vocals to the J-boyz that Perry would never be able to do - not now or even ten years ago.

This is a decent effort and one of the first Journey records I can play in the car without having my buddies calling me a fag.

C'est vrai

[Majestic]

Arnel's voice is not thin at all. Compare it to someone who does have a thin voice, like Deen or Hugo.

Foul!!!
You should never say Deen. And Hugo in the same sentence. Not if you are speaking about singing. Deen is a great singer, please don't forget it.

Play ball.

[steveo777]

Arnel's voice is not thin at all. Compare it to someone who does have a thin voice, like Deen or Hugo.

Foul!!!
You should never say Deen. And Hugo in the same sentence. Not if you are speaking about singing. Deen is a great singer, please don't forget it.

Play ball.

Save some for tomorrow. Don't blow all your wad in one day.

[Majestic]

Arnel's voice is not thin at all. Compare it to someone who does have a thin voice, like Deen or Hugo.

Foul!!!
You should never say Deen. And Hugo in the same sentence. Not if you are speaking about singing. Deen is a great singer, please don't forget it.

Play ball.

Save some for tomorrow. Don't blow all your wad in one day.

It is tomorrow here. Get to bed there.

[conversationpc]

Arnel's voice is not thin at all. Compare it to someone who does have a thin voice, like Deen or Hugo.

Foul!!!
You should never say Deen. And Hugo in the same sentence. Not if you are speaking about singing. Deen is a great singer, please don't forget it.

Play ball.

I love Deen's voice as well but he has little power behind it. It's thin.

[brywool]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

[Michigan Girl]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

Ah!! Here is the issue >>> you don't like them, otherwise~
it's a none~issue!! Move along to what you do like and concern yourself less w/my
tastes!!

[parfait]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

Ah!! Here is the issue >>> you don't like them, otherwise~
it's a none~issue!! Move along to what you do like and concern yourself less w/my
tastes!!

RoR is shit - that's a given. But I gotta say that Neal's tone on TBF is my favorite tone ever. The WYLAW solo is just pure awesomeness.

[Majestic]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

Ah!! Here is the issue >>> you don't like them, otherwise~
it's a none~issue!! Move along to what you do like and concern yourself less w/my
tastes!!

RoR is shit - that's a given. But I gotta say that Neal's tone on TBF is my favorite tone ever. The WYLAW solo is just pure awesomeness.

RoR is a good record. It's more like a "Steve Perry featuring Journey" album than Journey, but it's a little better than Street Talk because it has Neal and Cain playing on it. It definitely is not a bonafied Journey sounding album though, that's true.

[brywool]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

Ah!! Here is the issue >>> you don't like them, otherwise~
it's a none~issue!! Move along to what you do like and concern yourself less w/my
tastes!!

Well, but if those are your favorites, that'd explain a lot why u don't like Eclipse. Those two albums are so much closer to Perry's solo releases than anything Journey did.
I actually like both records, but as far as Journey, they are so far removed from what they were about.
ROR has some classic tunes on it. TBF has a few good songs, but it's the only Journey album where I skip tunes (On Generations, I skip Ross's tune though).

[Arkansas]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

With that example, then Eclipse is a Schon solo record, no?

(Btw, didn't Street Talk come out before ROR?)



later~

[brywool]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

With that example, then Eclipse is a Schon solo record, no?

(Btw, didn't Street Talk come out before ROR?)



later~

Not really. Journey's albums prior to R0R were more guitar heavy.
Ah, yeah, you're right on the timeline. I blame age and posting at 6:00 am

[Michigan Girl]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

Ah!! Here is the issue >>> you don't like them, otherwise~
it's a non~issue!! Move along to what you do like and concern yourself less w/my
tastes!!

Well, but if those are your favorites, that'd explain a lot why don't like Eclipse. Those two albums are so much closer to Perry's solo releases than anything Journey did.
I actually like both records, but as far as Journey, they are so far removed from what they were about.
ROR has some classic tunes on it. TBF has a few good songs, but it's the only Journey album where I skip tunes (On Generations, I skip Ross's tune though).

You quoted a statement that reads~ I loved ROR and TBF
and made them my favs ...you're explaining why I don't like Eclipse in a thread about a song on the
Eclipse LP that I dislike ...perhaps while you're in there, dissecting me, you can tell everyone
what I had for dinner last night, too ...
Please excuse that typo that we've been quoting over and over!!

[Deb]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

Ah!! Here is the issue >>> you don't like them, otherwise~
it's a non~issue!! Move along to what you do like and concern yourself less w/my
tastes!!

Well, but if those are your favorites, that'd explain a lot why don't like Eclipse. Those two albums are so much closer to Perry's solo releases than anything Journey did.
I actually like both records, but as far as Journey, they are so far removed from what they were about.
ROR has some classic tunes on it. TBF has a few good songs, but it's the only Journey album where I skip tunes (On Generations, I skip Ross's tune though).

You quoted a statement that reads~ I loved ROR and TBF
and made them my favs ...you're explaining why I don't like Eclipse in a thread about a song on the
Eclipse LP that I dislike ...perhaps while you're in there, dissecting me, you can tell everyone
what I had for dinner last night, too ... :wink:
Please excuse that typo that we've been quoting over and over!!

Bahaha, MG's firing on all cylinders today.

[brywool]

...I loved ROR and TBF!!

AH! HERE is the issue- You're a fan of Perry's SOLO career an not Journey.
ROR was basically his first solo record, TBF his last.

Ah!! Here is the issue >>> you don't like them, otherwise~
it's a non~issue!! Move along to what you do like and concern yourself less w/my
tastes!!

Well, but if those are your favorites, that'd explain a lot why don't like Eclipse. Those two albums are so much closer to Perry's solo releases than anything Journey did.
I actually like both records, but as far as Journey, they are so far removed from what they were about.
ROR has some classic tunes on it. TBF has a few good songs, but it's the only Journey album where I skip tunes (On Generations, I skip Ross's tune though).

You quoted a statement that reads~ I loved ROR and TBF
and made them my favs ...you're explaining why I don't like Eclipse in a thread about a song on the
Eclipse LP that I dislike ...perhaps while you're in there, dissecting me, you can tell everyone
what I had for dinner last night, too ...
Please excuse that typo that we've been quoting over and over!!

well, what did you have??

[Liquid_Drummer]

I would say there is one instance where he sounds EXACTLY like Perry on this album. Only once but it's really spot on. The latter part of She's A Mystery when he is almost shouting to match the screaming guitars, it's Steve Perry to a 'T'

I'm hearing some in Someone @3:45, maybe the huskier Perry

Stong clean tenor on Someone with moments of perry circa 81 to my ears. I think he sounds awesome on that one.

[SYNCH]

Strong clean tenor on Someone with moments of perry circa 81 to my ears. I think he sounds awesome on that one.

Yup, no doubts about that. If only Arnel were given the chance before, Lights in 1988 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVRPM4SzCFM, no strain of anything

[G.I.Jim]

Strong clean tenor on Someone with moments of perry circa 81 to my ears. I think he sounds awesome on that one.

Yup, no doubts about that. If only Arnel were given the chance before, Lights in 1988 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVRPM4SzCFM, no strain of anything

Yeah, except the pronunciation of the words! He really does have some great upper range here, but he doesn't have near as much rasp in his voice. After listening day after day to Eclipse, I've changed my mind about the album. I'm already tired of it, and I just don't care for the vocals. No matter how I try to get into it, this band is just not the same without Perry. His signature layers of vocals are nowhere to be found on this album. Go back and listen to the songs he stacked and layered his vocals on... they were perfect. They just don't get it.

[steveo777]

Strong clean tenor on Someone with moments of perry circa 81 to my ears. I think he sounds awesome on that one.

Yup, no doubts about that. If only Arnel were given the chance before, Lights in 1988 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVRPM4SzCFM, no strain of anything

Yeah, except the pronunciation of the words! He really does have some great upper range here, but he doesn't have near as much rasp in his voice. After listening day after day to Eclipse, I've changed my mind about the album. I'm already tired of it, and I just don't care for the vocals. No matter how I try to get into it, this band is just not the same without Perry. His signature layers of vocals are nowhere to be found on this album. Go back and listen to the songs he stacked and layered his vocals on... they were perfect. They just don't get it.

This ain't Perry's album dick breath. Again, people are looking for the Perry sound. That was never what this album was about.
And you want to hold Arnel accountable for the lack of vocal layering, which is a studio process?

[G.I.Jim]

Strong clean tenor on Someone with moments of perry circa 81 to my ears. I think he sounds awesome on that one.

Yup, no doubts about that. If only Arnel were given the chance before, Lights in 1988 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVRPM4SzCFM, no strain of anything

Yeah, except the pronunciation of the words! He really does have some great upper range here, but he doesn't have near as much rasp in his voice. After listening day after day to Eclipse, I've changed my mind about the album. I'm already tired of it, and I just don't care for the vocals. No matter how I try to get into it, this band is just not the same without Perry. His signature layers of vocals are nowhere to be found on this album. Go back and listen to the songs he stacked and layered his vocals on... they were perfect. They just don't get it.

This ain't Perry's album dick breath. Again, people are looking for the Perry sound. That was never what this album was about.
And you want to hold Arnel accountable for the lack of vocal layering, which is a studio process?

You shut your filthy pecker stained pie hole! Then go read my newest thread and hear me out. It's just my opinion, but you're entitled to yours too.

[marco17]

Wow, this thread just proves everyone has different musical tastes. I think this song blows, and while I enjoy the "rock" songs, I can always handle a Journey ballad if it's any good, but not this. Ouch!

[G.I.Jim]

Wow, this thread just proves everyone has different musical tastes. I think this song blows, and while I enjoy the "rock" songs, I can always handle a Journey ballad if it's any good, but not this. Ouch!

I agree, but which song are you referring to?

[marco17]

Wow, this thread just proves everyone has different musical tastes. I think this song blows, and while I enjoy the "rock" songs, I can always handle a Journey ballad if it's any good, but not this. Ouch!

I agree, but which song are you referring to?

Jim, I meant broadly that I enjoy the more rock based Journey songs, not one specific. The jury is still out on what I thinkk of Eclipse.