Eclipse - the worst Journey album ever?

[S2M]

But it's not though....cause HIS moral decision changed the STYLE of Journey....a STYLE that I don't like. He is still a great guitarist. Never said he wasn't. He changed Journey with his decisions, and their style has suffered. See, no bias...

But even that is flawed.
You claim that his moral decision changed Journey's style, right? Producing a "cookie-cutter album" in Revelation.
But, if I'm not mistaken, you were outspokenly opposed to this album before its release, correct? Though it's quality is certainly subjective, I think we can all agree that the style of Eclipse is absolutely different from Revelation.
How can you justify your prejudice when the styles, approaches, and content of the two album are clearly different? As I said, what it comes down to is that supporting or opposing an album ardently before hearing it in full is indicative of bias. There's no avoiding it.

I wasn't opposed to Revelation, per se....i liked the style of the album....I just didn't care for Arnel's vocals.

[Gideon]

Preference is preference, man. If you dislike Arnel's voice, that's fine. If you dislike Perry's voice, that's fine too. No one's regulating against opinions.

But while listening to Eclipse might reaffirm one's bias for or against it, one is still biased if he or she says "lawlz it's gonna be the greatest thing everrrrrrrrr!" or "bullshit its gonna suck" before listening to it.

[Rick]

But it's not though....cause HIS moral decision changed the STYLE of Journey....a STYLE that I don't like. He is still a great guitarist. Never said he wasn't. He changed Journey with his decisions, and their style has suffered. See, no bias...

But even that is flawed.
You claim that his moral decision changed Journey's style, right? Producing a "cookie-cutter album" in Revelation.
But, if I'm not mistaken, you were outspokenly opposed to this album before its release, correct? Though it's quality is certainly subjective, I think we can all agree that the style of Eclipse is absolutely different from Revelation.
How can you justify your prejudice when the styles, approaches, and content of the two album are clearly different? As I said, what it comes down to is that supporting or opposing an album ardently before hearing it in full is indicative of bias. There's no avoiding it.

I wasn't opposed to Revelation, per se....i liked the style of the album....I just didn't care for Arnel's vocals.

That's because you're a fucking racist!!

[S2M]

Preference is preference, man. If you dislike Arnel's voice, that's fine. If you dislike Perry's voice, that's fine too. No one's regulating against opinions.

But while listening to Eclipse might reaffirm one's bias for or against it, one is still biased if he or she says "lawlz it's gonna be the greatest thing everrrrrrrrr!" or "bullshit its gonna suck" before listening to it.

Now your argument is flawed. In the first example, the fan is just going to end up liking it because it's Journey - independent of the quality. The fan may even talk him/herself into liking it.....

In the 2nd example, the liking of it(or in this instance, the disliking of it) is due to the fact that the style has changed. Being a Journey release is secondary.....

[steveo777]

But it's not though....cause HIS moral decision changed the STYLE of Journey....a STYLE that I don't like. He is still a great guitarist. Never said he wasn't. He changed Journey with his decisions, and their style has suffered. See, no bias...

But even that is flawed.
You claim that his moral decision changed Journey's style, right? Producing a "cookie-cutter album" in Revelation.
But, if I'm not mistaken, you were outspokenly opposed to this album before its release, correct? Though it's quality is certainly subjective, I think we can all agree that the style of Eclipse is absolutely different from Revelation.
How can you justify your prejudice when the styles, approaches, and content of the two album are clearly different? As I said, what it comes down to is that supporting or opposing an album ardently before hearing it in full is indicative of bias. There's no avoiding it.

I wasn't opposed to Revelation, per se....i liked the style of the album....I just didn't care for Arnel's vocals.

That's because you're a fucking racist!!

Rick.....wow, just wow. I never thought a man with a smiling negro in his avatar would resort to pulling out "the card".

Balut!!!!

[Rick]

But it's not though....cause HIS moral decision changed the STYLE of Journey....a STYLE that I don't like. He is still a great guitarist. Never said he wasn't. He changed Journey with his decisions, and their style has suffered. See, no bias...

But even that is flawed.
You claim that his moral decision changed Journey's style, right? Producing a "cookie-cutter album" in Revelation.
But, if I'm not mistaken, you were outspokenly opposed to this album before its release, correct? Though it's quality is certainly subjective, I think we can all agree that the style of Eclipse is absolutely different from Revelation.
How can you justify your prejudice when the styles, approaches, and content of the two album are clearly different? As I said, what it comes down to is that supporting or opposing an album ardently before hearing it in full is indicative of bias. There's no avoiding it.

I wasn't opposed to Revelation, per se....i liked the style of the album....I just didn't care for Arnel's vocals.

That's because you're a fucking racist!!

Rick.....wow, just wow. I never thought a man with a smiling negro in his avatar would resort to pulling out "the card".

Balut!!!!

We were all called racists when we were against Journey getting Arnel. I was a big complainer about it. I quit doing that when Dean made a great post about giving the guy a chance, and I took a step back and looked at what a big dickhead I was being. (Hmmm, my spell check didn't underline "dickhead" ) But from that point on, I figured I'd do just that and give him a chance.

[Gideon]

(Hmmm, my spell check didn't underline "dickhead" )

Try 'Rick'.

[steveo777]

But it's not though....cause HIS moral decision changed the STYLE of Journey....a STYLE that I don't like. He is still a great guitarist. Never said he wasn't. He changed Journey with his decisions, and their style has suffered. See, no bias...

But even that is flawed.
You claim that his moral decision changed Journey's style, right? Producing a "cookie-cutter album" in Revelation.
But, if I'm not mistaken, you were outspokenly opposed to this album before its release, correct? Though it's quality is certainly subjective, I think we can all agree that the style of Eclipse is absolutely different from Revelation.
How can you justify your prejudice when the styles, approaches, and content of the two album are clearly different? As I said, what it comes down to is that supporting or opposing an album ardently before hearing it in full is indicative of bias. There's no avoiding it.

I wasn't opposed to Revelation, per se....i liked the style of the album....I just didn't care for Arnel's vocals.

That's because you're a fucking racist!!

Rick.....wow, just wow. I never thought a man with a smiling negro in his avatar would resort to pulling out "the card".

Balut!!!!

We were all called racists when we were against Journey getting Arnel. I was a big complainer about it. I quit doing that when Dean made a great post about giving the guy a chance, and I took a step back and looked at what a big dickhead I was being. (Hmmm, my spell check didn't underline "dickhead" ) But from that point on, I figured I'd do just that and give him a chance.

I thought Dean turned on the band before Arnel.
Maybe the Augeri thing just festered and in the end he just said, fuck em all, they can all burn in h411.

[Rick]

But it's not though....cause HIS moral decision changed the STYLE of Journey....a STYLE that I don't like. He is still a great guitarist. Never said he wasn't. He changed Journey with his decisions, and their style has suffered. See, no bias...

But even that is flawed.
You claim that his moral decision changed Journey's style, right? Producing a "cookie-cutter album" in Revelation.
But, if I'm not mistaken, you were outspokenly opposed to this album before its release, correct? Though it's quality is certainly subjective, I think we can all agree that the style of Eclipse is absolutely different from Revelation.
How can you justify your prejudice when the styles, approaches, and content of the two album are clearly different? As I said, what it comes down to is that supporting or opposing an album ardently before hearing it in full is indicative of bias. There's no avoiding it.

I wasn't opposed to Revelation, per se....i liked the style of the album....I just didn't care for Arnel's vocals.

That's because you're a fucking racist!!

Rick.....wow, just wow. I never thought a man with a smiling negro in his avatar would resort to pulling out "the card".

Balut!!!!

We were all called racists when we were against Journey getting Arnel. I was a big complainer about it. I quit doing that when Dean made a great post about giving the guy a chance, and I took a step back and looked at what a big dickhead I was being. (Hmmm, my spell check didn't underline "dickhead" ) But from that point on, I figured I'd do just that and give him a chance.

I thought Dean turned on the band before Arnel.
Maybe the Augeri thing just festered and in the end he just said, fuck em all, they can all burn in h411.

I think he had, but he came out in defense of Arnel because so many were blindly complaining.

[steveo777]

But it's not though....cause HIS moral decision changed the STYLE of Journey....a STYLE that I don't like. He is still a great guitarist. Never said he wasn't. He changed Journey with his decisions, and their style has suffered. See, no bias...

But even that is flawed.
You claim that his moral decision changed Journey's style, right? Producing a "cookie-cutter album" in Revelation.
But, if I'm not mistaken, you were outspokenly opposed to this album before its release, correct? Though it's quality is certainly subjective, I think we can all agree that the style of Eclipse is absolutely different from Revelation.
How can you justify your prejudice when the styles, approaches, and content of the two album are clearly different? As I said, what it comes down to is that supporting or opposing an album ardently before hearing it in full is indicative of bias. There's no avoiding it.

I wasn't opposed to Revelation, per se....i liked the style of the album....I just didn't care for Arnel's vocals.

That's because you're a fucking racist!!

Rick.....wow, just wow. I never thought a man with a smiling negro in his avatar would resort to pulling out "the card".

Balut!!!!

We were all called racists when we were against Journey getting Arnel. I was a big complainer about it. I quit doing that when Dean made a great post about giving the guy a chance, and I took a step back and looked at what a big dickhead I was being. (Hmmm, my spell check didn't underline "dickhead" ) But from that point on, I figured I'd do just that and give him a chance.

I thought Dean turned on the band before Arnel.
Maybe the Augeri thing just festered and in the end he just said, fuck em all, they can all burn in h411.

I think he had, but he came out in defense of Arnel because so many were blindly complaining.

The shit has died down, as far as Arnel is concerned. I don't know if that's acceptance, resignation, or that Arnel has grown into his shoes.

[Saint John]

From that point on, I figured I'd do just that and give him a chance.

Man, I remember the day that it dawned on me, "Man, this guy is a really good singer, aside from his accent," and decided to give him a chance. I started supporting him on here and it instantly became Saint John versus the rest of MR. It was, at that time, Susie and I versus the world for awhile. My PM box was full of complaints every fucking day! Then, slowly, and I mean slowly, the board started changing its tune. 4 years down the road, the board seems to have a pretty healthy mix of supporters and non-supporters of the band.

[Rip Rokken]

From that point on, I figured I'd do just that and give him a chance.

Man, I remember the day that it dawned on me, "Man, this guy is a really good singer, aside from his accent," and decided to give him a chance. I started supporting him on here and it instantly became Saint John versus the rest of MR. It was, at that time, Susie, Ripster and I versus the world for awhile. My PM box was full of complaints every fucking day! Then, slowly, and I mean slowly, the board started changing its tune. 4 years down the road, the board seems to have a pretty healthy mix of supporters and non-supporters of the band.

Fixed! (only I didn't take heat back then)

[Saint John]

From that point on, I figured I'd do just that and give him a chance.

Man, I remember the day that it dawned on me, "Man, this guy is a really good singer, aside from his accent," and decided to give him a chance. I started supporting him on here and it instantly became Saint John versus the rest of MR. It was, at that time, Susie, Ripster and I versus the world for awhile. My PM box was full of complaints every fucking day! Then, slowly, and I mean slowly, the board started changing its tune. 4 years down the road, the board seems to have a pretty healthy mix of supporters and non-supporters of the band.

Fixed! (only I didn't take heat back then)

lol, yes, you're right, but you didn't have the personal connection that I did with so many posters. I had been to more than a couple of get togethers, so the mud slinging was much nastier toward me! I liked it, though.

[Rip Rokken]

From that point on, I figured I'd do just that and give him a chance.

Man, I remember the day that it dawned on me, "Man, this guy is a really good singer, aside from his accent," and decided to give him a chance. I started supporting him on here and it instantly became Saint John versus the rest of MR. It was, at that time, Susie, Ripster and I versus the world for awhile. My PM box was full of complaints every fucking day! Then, slowly, and I mean slowly, the board started changing its tune. 4 years down the road, the board seems to have a pretty healthy mix of supporters and non-supporters of the band.

Fixed! (only I didn't take heat back then)

lol, yes, you're right, but you didn't have the personal connection that I did with so many posters. I had been to more than a couple of get togethers, so the mud slinging was much nastier toward me! I liked it, though.

Exactly, lol. I was brand new, joining when Jeremey was still rumored to be the new Journey vocalist. I had a free ride for quite a while.

Speaking of which, someone told me Frontiers played here just the other night! Had no idea, and wonder if it's the same band? At a $10 cover charge, I'm thinking it's not likely.

[yulog]

From that point on, I figured I'd do just that and give him a chance.

Man, I remember the day that it dawned on me, "Man, this guy is a really good singer, aside from his accent," and decided to give him a chance. I started supporting him on here and it instantly became Saint John versus the rest of MR. It was, at that time, Susie, Ripster and I versus the world for awhile. My PM box was full of complaints every fucking day! Then, slowly, and I mean slowly, the board started changing its tune. 4 years down the road, the board seems to have a pretty healthy mix of supporters and non-supporters of the band.

Fixed! (only I didn't take heat back then)

lol, yes, you're right, but you didn't have the personal connection that I did with so many posters. I had been to more than a couple of get togethers, so the mud slinging was much nastier toward me! I liked it, though.

Exactly, lol. I was brand new, joining when Jeremey was still rumored to be the new Journey vocalist. I had a free ride for quite a while.

Speaking of which, someone told me Frontiers played here just the other night! Had no idea, and wonder if it's the same band? At a $10 cover charge, I'm thinking it's not likely.

Yeah your right, that would be way to much to pay for Jeremeys band

[Rip Rokken]

Exactly, lol. I was brand new, joining when Jeremey was still rumored to be the new Journey vocalist. I had a free ride for quite a while.

Speaking of which, someone told me Frontiers played here just the other night! Had no idea, and wonder if it's the same band? At a $10 cover charge, I'm thinking it's not likely.

Yeah your right, that would be way to much to pay for Jeremeys band

It WAS them! Can't believe I missed it... that's what I get for being unplugged. I PM'ed him and hope to find out if they are coming back this way sometime.