Reminder - Journey on CBS Sunday Morning

by **Glenn** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:52 pm

FamilyMan wrote:Why do we always wind up here??

It's all good. Just ignore "Portland".

by **Glenn** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:03 pm

portland wrote:
Gideon wrote:
portland wrote:I think AP is great...and well he has an impossible job...Neal is who I have my issues with...get it now?

No, you and I aren't talking about the same thing. What I meant was that I don't believe Perry is a fan of Arnel's, but the reason for that (in my opinion) is that Arnel is singing for Journey. I don't think it's because Arnel's not a good enough singer to earn Perry's respect or anything.

I don't believe he said it one way or another...but there are many here who believe that all is well in Journey land.

There are also many here that don't give a shit what goes on behind the scenes with this band....Just fans, nothing more, nothing less. This was a pretty cool thread with zero B.S. until you rolled on in here, a broken wine bottle in each hand, ready to carve up anyone that might think your hero might be a fan of Arnel. Who cares if he is or isn't?

Why don't you go over to the Sebastian Bach/Skid Row Forum and defend his honor to those who like Skid Row's current singer.

Can't forget the traditional Portland end of a post :wink:

to signify that I might only be saying this tongue and cheek with good humor intended.

by **RocknRoll** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:13 pm

FamilyMan wrote:Why do we always wind up here??

Ummm...this is MR

Website · by **steveo777** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:24 pm

RocknRoll wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:Why do we always wind up here??

Ummm...this is MR

That's a sorry assed excuse when it comes to painting the walls here with hate laden & biased bullshit.

FamilyMan has my respect and is someone who is ACTUALLY involved with the band on a more
different level than any of us. I agree that we should try and show some modicum of respect in
certain threads. I'm obviously not in favor of stiffling people's opinions or posts in most of them.

:wink:

by **Don** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:51 pm

slucero wrote:I really can't think of any reason SP wouldn't be a fan of AP... AP is a talent for sure... SP can easily recognize that...

And besides... AP keeps Journey afloat... keeps the catalogue selling... all which benefit SP...

Actually, this is not quite true. Every major sales spike for the back catalog over the last four years has had a catalyst other than any actions the band has been taking in most cases.
The use of Journey songs in The Sopranos, Glee, and Tron, The Fathers day promotion on iTunes, and Escape's 30th anniversary have been the major players for the most part.
Sony's marketing department has to be lauded for their efforts too. To get Escape selling again even if just for a month is impressive, considering I haven't seen any promo at all.
The greatest surge in International sales came in 2010, (the year the band wasn't even touring) with DSB reaching the top 10 on Britain's singles chart and The Greatest Hits getting all the way up to #12 on the UK Album chart.
I'm not saying Journey touring doesn't help move a few units but The revival of the back catalog at retail would have happened either way as was proven in 2007 and 2010.

For the current catalog, the band did do a great job as far as promoting Revelation and The Manila DVD but all the morning concert specials in the world won't save Eclipse from retail obscurity. It's simply too late to repair the damage of an improper launch promotion.

by **Saint John** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:08 pm

Don wrote:
slucero wrote:I really can't think of any reason SP wouldn't be a fan of AP... AP is a talent for sure... SP can easily recognize that...

And besides... AP keeps Journey afloat... keeps the catalogue selling... all which benefit SP...

Actually, this is not quite true. Every major sales spike for the back catalog over the last four years has had a catalyst other than any actions the band has been taking in most cases.
The use of Journey songs in The Sopranos, Glee, and Tron, The Fathers day promotion on iTunes, and Escape's 30th aniversary have been the major players for the most part.
Sony's marketing department has to be lauded for their efforts too. To get Escape selling again even if just for a month is impressive, considering I haven't seen any promo at all.
The greatest amount of International sales came in 2010, (the year the band wasn't even touring) with DSB reaching the top 10 on Britain's singles chart and The Greatest Hits getting all the way up to #12 on the UK Album chart.
I'm not saying Journey touring doesn't help move a few units but The revival of the back catalog at retail would have happened either way as was proven in 2007 and 2010.

All fair points, but I don't think most of those promo spots would have occurred had the band been dead and buried. It's also no mistake that none of this happened with Augeri. And the reason is twofold; he couldn't perform well live for the last 3-5 years of his tenure, and he wasn't really marketable. Italian dude from New York that could be anybody, good singer and nothing remarkable in his background. Pineda? Polar opposite, in that he's a far better singer, hails from the other side of the world and has a story. Pineda helps keeps the music alive, and anyone that frequents these shows sees a staggering amount of younger kids than even in the Augeri years. And I'm sure that's in large part because of Glee, The Sopranos, etc. I guess it comes down to the chicken/egg argument.

by **Don** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:13 pm

Saint John wrote:
Don wrote:
slucero wrote:I really can't think of any reason SP wouldn't be a fan of AP... AP is a talent for sure... SP can easily recognize that...

And besides... AP keeps Journey afloat... keeps the catalogue selling... all which benefit SP...

Actually, this is not quite true. Every major sales spike for the back catalog over the last four years has had a catalyst other than any actions the band has been taking in most cases.
The use of Journey songs in The Sopranos, Glee, and Tron, The Fathers day promotion on iTunes, and Escape's 30th aniversary have been the major players for the most part.
Sony's marketing department has to be lauded for their efforts too. To get Escape selling again even if just for a month is impressive, considering I haven't seen any promo at all.
The greatest amount of International sales came in 2010, (the year the band wasn't even touring) with DSB reaching the top 10 on Britain's singles chart and The Greatest Hits getting all the way up to #12 on the UK Album chart.
I'm not saying Journey touring doesn't help move a few units but The revival of the back catalog at retail would have happened either way as was proven in 2007 and 2010.

All fair points, but I don't think most of those promo spots would have occurred had the band been dead and buried. It's also no mistake that none of this happened with Augeri. And the reason is twofold; he couldn't perform well live for the last 3-5 years of his tenure, and he wasn't really marketable. Italian dude from New York that could be anybody, good singer and nothing remarkable in his background. Pineda? Polar opposite, in that he's a far better singer, hails from the other side of the world and has a story. Pineda helps keeps the music alive, and anyone that frequents these shows sees a staggering amount of younger kids than even in the Augeri years. And I'm sure that's in large part because of Glee, The Sopranos, etc. I guess it comes down to the chicken/egg argument.

Jon said something about the band knowing about the Soprano usage request well in advance of of the finale which might mean it came through Columbia's licensing department while Augeri was going through his last few shows with the band. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Augeri hadn't completely fell apart in the end.

by **slucero** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:25 pm

Saint John wrote:
Don wrote:
slucero wrote:I really can't think of any reason SP wouldn't be a fan of AP... AP is a talent for sure... SP can easily recognize that...

And besides... AP keeps Journey afloat... keeps the catalogue selling... all which benefit SP...

Actually, this is not quite true. Every major sales spike for the back catalog over the last four years has had a catalyst other than any actions the band has been taking in most cases.
The use of Journey songs in The Sopranos, Glee, and Tron, The Fathers day promotion on iTunes, and Escape's 30th aniversary have been the major players for the most part.
Sony's marketing department has to be lauded for their efforts too. To get Escape selling again even if just for a month is impressive, considering I haven't seen any promo at all.
The greatest amount of International sales came in 2010, (the year the band wasn't even touring) with DSB reaching the top 10 on Britain's singles chart and The Greatest Hits getting all the way up to #12 on the UK Album chart.
I'm not saying Journey touring doesn't help move a few units but The revival of the back catalog at retail would have happened either way as was proven in 2007 and 2010.

All fair points, but I don't think most of those promo spots would have occurred had the band been dead and buried. It's also no mistake that none of this happened with Augeri. And the reason is twofold; he couldn't perform well live for the last 3-5 years of his tenure, and he wasn't really marketable. Italian dude from New York that could be anybody, good singer and nothing remarkable in his background. Pineda? Polar opposite, in that he's a far better singer, hails from the other side of the world and has a story. Pineda helps keeps the music alive, and anyone that frequents these shows sees a staggering amount of younger kids than even in the Augeri years. And I'm sure that's in large part because of Glee, The Sopranos, etc. I guess it comes down to the chicken/egg argument.

Except you don't get to Pineda... without going through Augeri/Soto...

had Neal called Journey quits after Perry left.. he'd be doing something else.. the man can't sit still... and Journey (the band) would be left to the dustbins.. and Pineda would still be singing in Manila...

However unworthy you may feel Augueri is - without him today's Journey would likely not exist..

Website · by **steveo777** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:11 pm

slucero wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Don wrote:
slucero wrote:I really can't think of any reason SP wouldn't be a fan of AP... AP is a talent for sure... SP can easily recognize that...

And besides... AP keeps Journey afloat... keeps the catalogue selling... all which benefit SP...

Actually, this is not quite true. Every major sales spike for the back catalog over the last four years has had a catalyst other than any actions the band has been taking in most cases.
The use of Journey songs in The Sopranos, Glee, and Tron, The Fathers day promotion on iTunes, and Escape's 30th aniversary have been the major players for the most part.
Sony's marketing department has to be lauded for their efforts too. To get Escape selling again even if just for a month is impressive, considering I haven't seen any promo at all.
The greatest amount of International sales came in 2010, (the year the band wasn't even touring) with DSB reaching the top 10 on Britain's singles chart and The Greatest Hits getting all the way up to #12 on the UK Album chart.
I'm not saying Journey touring doesn't help move a few units but The revival of the back catalog at retail would have happened either way as was proven in 2007 and 2010.

All fair points, but I don't think most of those promo spots would have occurred had the band been dead and buried. It's also no mistake that none of this happened with Augeri. And the reason is twofold; he couldn't perform well live for the last 3-5 years of his tenure, and he wasn't really marketable. Italian dude from New York that could be anybody, good singer and nothing remarkable in his background. Pineda? Polar opposite, in that he's a far better singer, hails from the other side of the world and has a story. Pineda helps keeps the music alive, and anyone that frequents these shows sees a staggering amount of younger kids than even in the Augeri years. And I'm sure that's in large part because of Glee, The Sopranos, etc. I guess it comes down to the chicken/egg argument.

Except you don't get to Pineda... without going through Augeri/Soto...

had Neal called Journey quits after Perry left.. he'd be doing something else.. the man can't sit still... and Journey (the band) would be left to the dustbins.. and Pineda would still be singing in Manila...

However unworthy you may feel Augueri is - without him today's Journey would likely not exist..

No argument from me here. Augeri is a black spot in Journey's history because he lost his voice and management made a decision to let him pretend he was singing. A big mistake that had potentially huge consequences, but made little in the way of headlines. Does that take away from what Steve Augeri brought to tbe band? In my world, no. I can also see why the band want's to disassociated themselves from the incident, and while it might appear unfair, further media attention to SA, at any level, for any purpose, would have a negative affect on what the current Journey is doing. They don't need people googling about SA, hence no acknowlegement. I'm sure the band still holds Augeri close to their hearts. If they don't they are really cold mother fuckers.

by **slucero** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:25 pm

steveo777 wrote:
slucero wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Don wrote:
slucero wrote:I really can't think of any reason SP wouldn't be a fan of AP... AP is a talent for sure... SP can easily recognize that...

And besides... AP keeps Journey afloat... keeps the catalogue selling... all which benefit SP...

Actually, this is not quite true. Every major sales spike for the back catalog over the last four years has had a catalyst other than any actions the band has been taking in most cases.
The use of Journey songs in The Sopranos, Glee, and Tron, The Fathers day promotion on iTunes, and Escape's 30th aniversary have been the major players for the most part.
Sony's marketing department has to be lauded for their efforts too. To get Escape selling again even if just for a month is impressive, considering I haven't seen any promo at all.
The greatest amount of International sales came in 2010, (the year the band wasn't even touring) with DSB reaching the top 10 on Britain's singles chart and The Greatest Hits getting all the way up to #12 on the UK Album chart.
I'm not saying Journey touring doesn't help move a few units but The revival of the back catalog at retail would have happened either way as was proven in 2007 and 2010.

All fair points, but I don't think most of those promo spots would have occurred had the band been dead and buried. It's also no mistake that none of this happened with Augeri. And the reason is twofold; he couldn't perform well live for the last 3-5 years of his tenure, and he wasn't really marketable. Italian dude from New York that could be anybody, good singer and nothing remarkable in his background. Pineda? Polar opposite, in that he's a far better singer, hails from the other side of the world and has a story. Pineda helps keeps the music alive, and anyone that frequents these shows sees a staggering amount of younger kids than even in the Augeri years. And I'm sure that's in large part because of Glee, The Sopranos, etc. I guess it comes down to the chicken/egg argument.

Except you don't get to Pineda... without going through Augeri/Soto...

had Neal called Journey quits after Perry left.. he'd be doing something else.. the man can't sit still... and Journey (the band) would be left to the dustbins.. and Pineda would still be singing in Manila...

However unworthy you may feel Augueri is - without him today's Journey would likely not exist..

No argument from me here. Augeri is a black spot in Journey's history because he lost his voice and management made a decision to make him pretend he was singing. A big mistake that had potentially huge consequences, but made little in the way of headlines. Does that take away from what Steve Augeri brought to tbe band? In my world, no. I can also see why the band want's to disassociated themselves from the incident, and while it might appear unfair, further media attention to SA, at any level, for any purpose, would have a negative affect on what the current Journey is doing. They don't need people googling about SA, hence no acknowlegement. I'm sure the band still holds Augeri close to their hearts. If they don't they are really cold mother fuckers.

I agree... fixed it for ya too.. cause there's no fucking way management wasn't in on it...

by **portland** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:45 pm

Glenn wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:Why do we always wind up here??

It's all good. Just ignore "Portland".

That's what I do when you post...ignore "it".

by **Glenn** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:05 am

portland wrote:
Glenn wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:Why do we always wind up here??

It's all good. Just ignore "Portland".

That's what I do when you post...ignore "it".

Really? I guess you forgot to this time.

by **Deb** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:41 am

Glenn wrote:
portland wrote:
Glenn wrote:
FamilyMan wrote:Why do we always wind up here??

It's all good. Just ignore "Portland".

That's what I do when you post...ignore "it".

Really? I guess you forgot to this time.

Alright you two! To your corners........ :lol:

by **artist4perry** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:50 am

Love the interview. Ignoring the play by play I have to bash the band now comments. Still love you knuckleheads in spite of it all.

Arnel is a sweet person, I cannot imagine how hard his life was before Journey. Good for him for getting a gig any singer would love to have.

As for Steve I am sure he is fine doing what he is doing, or he would not be doing it.

Jon looked good. Neal looked good. Great stuff.

Hoping to see them in Memphis.

by **Don** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:56 am

Really, no sales bump at all so far (at least for Eclipse).
We'll have to see if Friday's appearance on NBC does anything.

by **slucero** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:26 am

Funny how the etymology for the word Eclipse says the following...

Eclipse: late 13c., from O.Fr. eclipse "eclipse, darkness" (12c.), from L. eclipsis, from Gk. ekleipsis "an abandonment, an eclipse," from ekleipein "to forsake a usual place, fail to appear, be eclipsed," from ek "out" (see ex-) + leipein "to leave" (cognate with L. linquere; see relinquish). The verb is late 14c. (intrans., a sense now obsolete), late 15c. (trans.); figurative use is from 1580s. Related: Eclipsed; eclipsing.
to

Maybe a better title for this would have been:

Elipse: 1753, from Fr. ellipse (17c.), from L. ellipsis "ellipse," also, "a falling short, deficit," from Gk. elleipsis (see ellipsis). So called because the conic section of the cutting plane makes a smaller angle with the base than does the side of the cone, hence, a "falling short." First applied by Apollonius of Perga (3c. B.C.E.).

by **Tito** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:16 am

Don wrote:Jon said something about the band knowing about the Soprano usage request well in advance of of the finale which might mean it came through Columbia's licensing department while Augeri was going through his last few shows with the band. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Augeri hadn't completely fell apart in the end.

I think it would have been fitting. The band did have a lot of dagos in the band at that time - Schon, Cain (Friga), Castronovo, and Augeri.

by **Don** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:25 am

Tito wrote:
Don wrote:Jon said something about the band knowing about the Soprano usage request well in advance of of the finale which might mean it came through Columbia's licensing department while Augeri was going through his last few shows with the band. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Augeri hadn't completely fell apart in the end.

I think it would have been fitting. The band did have a lot of dagos in the band at that time - Schon, Cain (Friga), Castronovo, and Augeri.

They could have had an alternate ending where Augeri is in the parking lot. He slips a tape into his car cassette player and begins to sing along to DSB.
There is a tap on the car window and he looks out to see Deano there.
Suddenly, everything goes black.

by **Saint John** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:28 am

Don wrote:
Tito wrote:
Don wrote:Jon said something about the band knowing about the Soprano usage request well in advance of of the finale which might mean it came through Columbia's licensing department while Augeri was going through his last few shows with the band. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Augeri hadn't completely fell apart in the end.

I think it would have been fitting. The band did have a lot of dagos in the band at that time - Schon, Cain (Friga), Castronovo, and Augeri.

They could have had an alternate ending where Augeri is in the parking lot. He slips a tape into his car cassette player and begins to sing along to DSB.
There is a tap on the car window and he looks out to see Deano there.
Suddenly, everything goes black.

by **Glenn** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:09 am

Don wrote:
Tito wrote:
Don wrote:Jon said something about the band knowing about the Soprano usage request well in advance of of the finale which might mean it came through Columbia's licensing department while Augeri was going through his last few shows with the band. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Augeri hadn't completely fell apart in the end.

I think it would have been fitting. The band did have a lot of dagos in the band at that time - Schon, Cain (Friga), Castronovo, and Augeri.

They could have had an alternate ending where Augeri is in the parking lot. He slips a tape into his car cassette player and begins to sing along to DSB.
There is a tap on the car window and he looks out to see Deano there.
Suddenly, everything goes black.

Solid!

by **tanga** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:46 pm

[quote]They could have had an alternate ending where Augeri is in the parking lot. He slips a tape into his car cassette player and begins to sing along to DSB.
There is a tap on the car window and he looks out to see Deano there.
Suddenly, everything goes black

No shit!! although, I basically don't agree 99% with your lame ass billboard and revenue sales post, this shit is funny... :twisted:

by **Saint John** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:49 pm

tanga wrote:
Don wrote:They could have had an alternate ending where Augeri is in the parking lot. He slips a tape into his car cassette player and begins to sing along to DSB.
There is a tap on the car window and he looks out to see Deano there.
Suddenly, everything goes black

No shit!! although, I basically don't agree 99% with your lame ass billboard and revenue sales post, this shit is funny...

How does one "not agree" with factual posts?

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