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[jestor92]

You guys are being awfully hard on them...Christ...they didn't get in until 4:00am after doing a show...and then had to sound check and stuff...I was actually pretty stunned they were as good as they were, they had to have been exhausted!

They're professionals that's not an excuse. My biggest problem with Arnie is that he over sings the songs and sounds like shit on the vocs that are in a higher range and his performance on the Today show showed exactly what I bitch about with his vocals. It's a major reason why I think the two albums they put out with him suck. When he sings lower notes a la the beginning of Faithfully he sounds damn good. When he tries to sing in a higher notes he can't do them justice and then he over sings them.

If these guys had sense, they would only include songs in their set list that AP can consistently nail. Hit and miss is never good. He's got a
tough job, but he can make better out of his best and they should throw out the rest.

I agree. Don't get me wrong I like the way he sounds on some of the stuff; however, some of the songs make me yearn for Augeri tapes or no tapes

[steveo777]

For them to have Arnel's mug on that picture from soundscan for DSB is a fucking joke. The dude didn't have a hand in the single and the plaque has his mug on it. WTF.

Yeah, but he's the guy pulling the train these days, so it's only fitting. Arnel is the face of Journey. Get used to it.
As far as I'm concerned, he's helped the band earn all the accolades they are now getting. It's nice to see them
getting some respect, for a change.

He hasn't helped the band earn any of the accolades they're getting now. He didn't get the band make the people on the Soprano's to use the song, he didn't get the folks on Glee to use the song. The song still sells because it's a great song. If anything Perry is the one who is out there getting the band the accolades because he's out there with the Chi Sox leading Don't Stop Believin' when they were going for their World Series, he was leading a section of Pac Bell Park in a rendition of Don't Stop Believin'. The only thing Arnie has done for the band has helped gain exposure via a sob story of a poor Phillipino kid who now fronts a large American band.

You come off as a butt hurt loon.

[jestor92]

The only thing Arnie has done for the band has helped gain exposure via a sob story of a poor Phillipino kid who now fronts a large American band.

I'm not sure if you genuinely believe this, but I'm fairly certain most of the concert-goers for the past three years would show up if the only thing fronting the band was a microphone stand with a mullet wig, tailcoat, and a few memories.

I'd agree to that to a point. Only so far a mic stand can take you before someone finds out it's not actually singing. The music sells itself. The thing is the feel good story got them air time which helped move some product and gave them exposure so the Oprah fans of the world can be like "Oh wow they're still around and sound pretty good. Might have to go check them out when they come back around."

[Don]

For them to have Arnel's mug on that picture from soundscan for DSB is a fucking joke. The dude didn't have a hand in the single and the plaque has his mug on it. WTF.

Don't sweat it. Like Kevin Shirley said, Perry is very much involved in every decision the band makes regarding songs from the back catalog. The same people are making the licensing deals and getting the royalties for DSB that have been for the last 30 years. A picture on a plaque won't change anything regardless of who's included in the picture and who's missing. The award is for the Columbia records version of the song so let' also not forget that Steve Smith is just as much part of that honor as the other four guys who played on Escape.

[jestor92]

For them to have Arnel's mug on that picture from soundscan for DSB is a fucking joke. The dude didn't have a hand in the single and the plaque has his mug on it. WTF.

Yeah, but he's the guy pulling the train these days, so it's only fitting. Arnel is the face of Journey. Get used to it.
As far as I'm concerned, he's helped the band earn all the accolades they are now getting. It's nice to see them
getting some respect, for a change.

He hasn't helped the band earn any of the accolades they're getting now. He didn't get the band make the people on the Soprano's to use the song, he didn't get the folks on Glee to use the song. The song still sells because it's a great song. If anything Perry is the one who is out there getting the band the accolades because he's out there with the Chi Sox leading Don't Stop Believin' when they were going for their World Series, he was leading a section of Pac Bell Park in a rendition of Don't Stop Believin'. The only thing Arnie has done for the band has helped gain exposure via a sob story of a poor Phillipino kid who now fronts a large American band.

You come off as a butt hurt loon.

I'm not hurt about anything. I don't care what the band plays at concerts these days because I won't go see them live again. I'm just saying Perry did as much if not more during the song's rebirth during the 2000's then Arnel did. Other than the DSB accolage ; however, it appears the accolades they're getting now are from reports I've seen are being smoked off stage by Foreigner.

[Rick]

You guys are being awfully hard on them...Christ...they didn't get in until 4:00am after doing a show...and then had to sound check and stuff...I was actually pretty stunned they were as good as they were, they had to have been exhausted!

That's all irrelevant, Stu. They're on fucking TV. Short of getting sick or some reasonable unplanned emergency, you can't schedule a NATIONAL TELEVISION APPEARANCE and then expect the viewers to grade you with your tour schedule in mind. They're gonna judge the performance on merit, and nothing else.

From what I heard from people who saw it that aren't Journey nuts like us it was excellent.

What I am saying is you all are judging them too harshly because you aren't being objective.

I called the performances "okay." Brywool, a semi-professional vocalist, said Arnel had "morning" voice on the first few songs. Hey, you schedule that during their SIX WEEK vacation from April to June and the guy probably has the luxury of waking up at 4am ... rather than arriving at that time after a gig the night before! While it's speculative, I feel that these show appearances are nothing more than last ditch efforts to try and make up for a colossal fuck up on the part of management and the band regarding the release of Eclipse. If you sat back and said "Let's really try to fuck up this release and totally make it flop. I mean, let's not do any promotion, don't check with Walmart and make sure this thing is ready to be launched properly, let's not schedule any television appearances prior to the release and, just to add some icing on the cake, let's schedule appearances and make our singer perform 5 days in a row!" ... this is what you'd get. Their management has destroyed this release. They've done as poorly a job as is even comprehensible! Who starts promoting a fucking CD 2 months after its release?!?!

I'm not arguing with Stuart, because I think they did fine. They never seem to sound very good on tv, for whatever reason, but you're fucking spot on with what you said about their scheduling surrounding this event, and Eclipse's release being as poorly handled as it could have been. I'm sure the CBS and NBC tv events presented themselves after the tour schedule was made though.

[jestor92]

For them to have Arnel's mug on that picture from soundscan for DSB is a fucking joke. The dude didn't have a hand in the single and the plaque has his mug on it. WTF.

Don't sweat it. Like Kevin Shirley said, Perry is very much involved in every decision the band makes regarding songs from the back catalog. A picture on a plaque won't change anything.

I wish Andrew could get an interview with Perry.

[Gideon]

The only thing Arnie has done for the band has helped gain exposure via a sob story of a poor Phillipino kid who now fronts a large American band.

I'm not sure if you genuinely believe this, but I'm fairly certain most of the concert-goers for the past three years would show up if the only thing fronting the band was a microphone stand with a mullet wig, tailcoat, and a few memories.

I'd agree to that to a point. Only so far a mic stand can take you before someone finds out it's not actually singing. The music sells itself. The thing is the feel good story got them air time which helped move some product and gave them exposure so the Oprah fans of the world can be like "Oh wow they're still around and sound pretty good. Might have to go check them out when they come back around."

My mistake, I meant to say that concert-goers would NOT show up to bask in mere memories of Perry. Arnel clearly has to get the job done or people wouldn't show up.

[jestor92]

The only thing Arnie has done for the band has helped gain exposure via a sob story of a poor Phillipino kid who now fronts a large American band.

I'm not sure if you genuinely believe this, but I'm fairly certain most of the concert-goers for the past three years would show up if the only thing fronting the band was a microphone stand with a mullet wig, tailcoat, and a few memories.

I'd agree to that to a point. Only so far a mic stand can take you before someone finds out it's not actually singing. The music sells itself. The thing is the feel good story got them air time which helped move some product and gave them exposure so the Oprah fans of the world can be like "Oh wow they're still around and sound pretty good. Might have to go check them out when they come back around."

My mistake, I meant to say that concert-goers would NOT show up to bask in mere memories of Perry. Arnel clearly has to get the job done or people wouldn't show up.

Augeri did the job and people still showed up after tapegate when he was attempting to sing with his voice cracking post tapegate and people still showed up. I believe the concert-goers would still show up to bask in the memories of Perry. I mean Quiet Riot still had a following before their lead vocalist passed on and they fucking sucked before his passing. Foghat still has a following and the only original or member of that band who has connection with their songs is the drummer, Sweet is still tour and I believe they don't have any members of the band that were around during the time frame when they were huge. As long as people pay tribute to the music of the past concert-goers will go see it whoever is performing it. It might not be for a large following, but concert goers will follow their favorite hit songs.

[Don]

When Arnel saw himself in that picture, do you think he had an MR moment and was thinking "Why, oh why did I grant Andrew that interview? When the loons see this, they're going to figuratively tear me limb from limb in that forum."

[Gideon]

Augeri did the job and people still showed up after tapegate when he was attempting to sing with his voice cracking post tapegate and people still showed up. I believe the concert-goers would still show up to bask in the memories of Perry. I mean Quiet Riot still had a following before their lead vocalist passed on and they fucking sucked before his passing. Foghat still has a following and the only original or member of that band who has connection with their songs is the drummer, Sweet is still tour and I believe they don't have any members of the band that were around during the time frame when they were huge. As long as people pay tribute to the music of the past concert-goers will go see it whoever is performing it. It might not be for a large following, but concert goers will follow their favorite hit songs.

With Augeri, people showed up in smaller numbers and were less than satisfied collectively compared to the accolades Arnel has earned in his time with Journey.

[steveo777]

For them to have Arnel's mug on that picture from soundscan for DSB is a fucking joke. The dude didn't have a hand in the single and the plaque has his mug on it. WTF.

Don't sweat it. Like Kevin Shirley said, Perry is very much involved in every decision the band makes regarding songs from the back catalog. A picture on a plaque won't change anything.

I wish Andrew could get an interview with Perry.

Why? Andrew needs to talk about things that are relevant. There are people that discuss history, then there are people that discuss current events.
Frankly, I'm a history buff, but I also like current events.

[Gideon]

Unless Perry wants to dish on the goings on of ROR or TBF or explain the lack of new material from him, I'm uninterested in anything he has to say.

[jestor92]

Augeri did the job and people still showed up after tapegate when he was attempting to sing with his voice cracking post tapegate and people still showed up. I believe the concert-goers would still show up to bask in the memories of Perry. I mean Quiet Riot still had a following before their lead vocalist passed on and they fucking sucked before his passing. Foghat still has a following and the only original or member of that band who has connection with their songs is the drummer, Sweet is still tour and I believe they don't have any members of the band that were around during the time frame when they were huge. As long as people pay tribute to the music of the past concert-goers will go see it whoever is performing it. It might not be for a large following, but concert goers will follow their favorite hit songs.

With Augeri, people showed up in smaller numbers and were less than satisfied collectively compared to the accolades Arnel has earned in his time with Journey.

What accolades have they "earned" with Arnel in the band? A platinum record whose numbers were helped more than likely by including re-recording of the GH along with a live dvd, A live dvd that hasn't earned platinum, but reaced #1 in the charts, or are you talking about the disappointment that was Eclipse? Perhaps you mean a by chance lucky shot that Don't Stop Believin' was unearthed by The Soprano's, Glee, featured with Perry when the Chi Sox and Giants won the World Series which helped make Journey some what relevent again due to their past and not the new music?

Edit for: Forgot to mention. I've seen Journey perform with other major acts and it doesn't matter who is singing for them they get blown off the stage it sounds like. I saw them with Styx and Reo back in I think 03 or 04 and Styx blew them off the stage, saw them with Lepp on Augeri's last leg and Lepp blew them off stage. Foreigner sounds like they're blowing them off stage and from what I've read Cheap Trick blew them off stage.

The only time I've read reports where the band was able to keep up with a name opening band of recent times is when JSS was singing for them...

[Gideon]

What accolades have they "earned" with Arnel in the band?

An accolade is an expression of praise, champ. And I hate to burst your bubble, but Live in Manila, Revelation, and Eclipse have all gotten them.

[zigzag]

You guys are being awfully hard on them...Christ...they didn't get in until 4:00am after doing a show...and then had to sound check and stuff...I was actually pretty stunned they were as good as they were, they had to have been exhausted!

That's all irrelevant, Stu. They're on fucking TV. Short of getting sick or some reasonable unplanned emergency, you can't schedule a NATIONAL TELEVISION APPEARANCE and then expect the viewers to grade you with your tour schedule in mind. They're gonna judge the performance on merit, and nothing else.

From what I heard from people who saw it that aren't Journey nuts like us it was excellent.

What I am saying is you all are judging them too harshly because you aren't being objective.

I called the performances "okay." Brywool, a semi-professional vocalist, said Arnel had "morning" voice on the first few songs. Hey, you schedule that during their SIX WEEK vacation from April to June and the guy probably has the luxury of waking up at 4am ... rather than arriving at that time after a gig the night before! While it's speculative, I feel that these show appearances are nothing more than last ditch efforts to try and make up for a colossal fuck up on the part of management and the band regarding the release of Eclipse. If you sat back and said "Let's really try to fuck up this release and totally make it flop. I mean, let's not do any promotion, don't check with Walmart and make sure this thing is ready to be launched properly, let's not schedule any television appearances prior to the release and, just to add some icing on the cake, let's schedule appearances and make our singer perform 5 days in a row!" ... this is what you'd get. Their management has destroyed this release. They've done as poorly a job as is even comprehensible! Who starts promoting a fucking CD 2 months after its release?!?!

I'm not arguing with Stuart, because I think they did fine. They never seem to sound very good on tv, for whatever reason, but you're fucking spot on with what you said about their scheduling surrounding this event, and Eclipse's release being as poorly handled as it could have been. I'm sure the CBS and NBC tv events presented themselves after the tour schedule was made though.

I got a call from a friend who was a fan when perry was the singer. He saw the show. He didn’t care about the performance. He’s just excited that they are still around, still touring, and have a new album. He said that the last time he saw them was 25-30 years ago. He said that he would love to see them this year with his family.

So I think regardless of the performance, the mission was accomplished; they got the word out that they are on tour and have a new album.

[jestor92]

What accolades have they "earned" with Arnel in the band?

An accolade is an expression of praise, champ. And I hate to burst your bubble, but Live in Manila, Revelation, and Eclipse have all gotten them.

What accolade? An accolade is by definition is an honor, or an award. So what accolade have they earned with Arnie singing? Please don't give me the Live in Manila going to #1 because the Arrival dvd did something Manila hasn't done which is go platinum. Revelation I would give you, but that thing more than likely sold more from the rerecorded GH and the dvd. Eclipse...really? Eclipse is going to be lucky if it sells 80k copies. The only accolades the band has earned recently are by living off the past. It's not something I can blame them off of though. Who really wants to hear To Whom It May Concern anyway

[Gideon]

What accolade? An accolade is by definition is an honor, or an award.

Respectfully, I'd encourage you to read the entire definition. An accolade is also an expression of praise. All three of Journey's releases have earned critical acclaim, if not impressive sales.

[SYNCH]

Didn't think anything really stands out. Emphasis on different words and extending words in Faithfully made it most un-enjoyable.

The sound is too raw in all clips, I can hear over-pronounced "p", "b" there when he sings and almost exactly the same as the first time he joined Journey, there were moments in '08 and '09 where I can't hear that. The mix is also off and goofy based from YouTube recording. Hmmn, I wonder how this sounded live

[helix]

Didn't think anything really stands out. Emphasis on different words and extending words in Faithfully made it most un-enjoyable.

The sound is too raw in all clips, I can hear over-pronounced "p", "b" there when he sings and almost exactly the same as the first time he joined Journey, there were moments in '08 and '09 where I can't hear that. The mix is also off and goofy based from YouTube recording. Hmmn, I wonder how this sounded live

Close to this...... live, I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookCqa1G ... r_embedded

[The_Noble_Cause]

...however, some of the songs make me yearn for Augeri tapes or no tapes

Every promotional TV appearance with SA was a flat-out disaster (CBS morning show, Blind Date). Arnel sounded decent.

[Vocalsmanvocals]

You guys are being awfully hard on them...Christ...they didn't get in until 4:00am after doing a show...and then had to sound check and stuff...I was actually pretty stunned they were as good as they were, they had to have been exhausted!

Right on...the band was very solid for playing so early in the morning. I thought Arnel sounded really good! So was Ross taking the NYC all in as he kept looking up into the sky when the camera was zooming in on Arnel during Faithfully? LOL

[donnaplease]

I called the performances "okay." Brywool, a semi-professional vocalist, said Arnel had "morning" voice on the first few songs. Hey, you schedule that during their SIX WEEK vacation from April to June and the guy probably has the luxury of waking up at 4am ... rather than arriving at that time after a gig the night before! While it's speculative, I feel that these show appearances are nothing more than last ditch efforts to try and make up for a colossal fuck up on the part of management and the band regarding the release of Eclipse. If you sat back and said "Let's really try to fuck up this release and totally make it flop. I mean, let's not do any promotion, don't check with Walmart and make sure this thing is ready to be launched properly, let's not schedule any television appearances prior to the release and, just to add some icing on the cake, let's schedule appearances and make our singer perform 5 days in a row!" ... this is what you'd get. Their management has destroyed this release. They've done as poorly a job as is even comprehensible! Who starts promoting a fucking CD 2 months after its release?!?!

I'm not arguing with Stuart, because I think they did fine. They never seem to sound very good on tv, for whatever reason, but you're fucking spot on with what you said about their scheduling surrounding this event, and Eclipse's release being as poorly handled as it could have been. I'm sure the CBS and NBC tv events presented themselves after the tour schedule was made though.

Wasn't the super bowl performance scheduled in a similar way, kind of like a rush job? And didn't it get similar praise/criticism here? It seems like Dan's on to something here, which is MORE very poor planning on the part of management. Regarding the comments about people showing up to concerts even if there was just a mic stand, etc... I was talking to a co-worker the other day about concerts, and she was telling me she's a huge Heart fan. She knows of my love of Journey and said she saw them on their tour together. I asked her what she thought of Arnel, and she told me that before she went to the show she didn't know SP wouldn't be with them. Said she knew something wasn't right, but it took her a bit to realize it wasn't SP. It blows me away that people still don't realize he's no longer with the group. I guess one could say it's a testament to this legacy that he's still so heavily tied to them.

[Crazy4Ross]

You guys are being awfully hard on them...Christ...they didn't get in until 4:00am after doing a show...and then had to sound check and stuff...I was actually pretty stunned they were as good as they were, they had to have been exhausted!

I'm with you Stu! They'll be doing 5 shows in 5 days..and remember they are just coming off the St. Louis show which was like an inferno in terms of heat index!

[SYNCH]

Didn't think anything really stands out. Emphasis on different words and extending words in Faithfully made it most un-enjoyable.

The sound is too raw in all clips, I can hear over-pronounced "p", "b" there when he sings and almost exactly the same as the first time he joined Journey, there were moments in '08 and '09 where I can't hear that. The mix is also off and goofy based from YouTube recording. Hmmn, I wonder how this sounded live

Close to this...... live, I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookCqa1G ... r_embedded

Thanks, that's a lot better. I remember Live in Manila DVD where an amateur video has a better mix than the soundboard output, just weird

[helix]

Didn't think anything really stands out. Emphasis on different words and extending words in Faithfully made it most un-enjoyable.

The sound is too raw in all clips, I can hear over-pronounced "p", "b" there when he sings and almost exactly the same as the first time he joined Journey, there were moments in '08 and '09 where I can't hear that. The mix is also off and goofy based from YouTube recording. Hmmn, I wonder how this sounded live

Close to this...... live, I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookCqa1G ... r_embedded

Thanks, that's a lot better. I remember Live in Manila DVD where an amateur video has a better mix than the soundboard output, just weird

Most of the videos from the today show posted on youtube, were captured from it's live broadcast except for this one.
It was shot by someone with his handy cam, so the environment was as what the audience experienced.
Plus the concrete (buildings) on the sides of the stage , enhanced the quality of the sound.

[MCC620]

...however, some of the songs make me yearn for Augeri tapes or no tapes

Every promotional TV appearance with SA was a flat-out disaster (CBS morning show, Blind Date). Arnel sounded decent.

are you kidding? CBS Morning show was a great show. Sure Augeri had some moments but he was under the same conditions that Arnel was (show night before, no sleep, no warmup) and he pulled it off way better than they did yesterday. And back then they were on their own merits with a new cd and they opened the show with Higher Place. yesterday they were purely riding the DSB/Soprano/Glee coattails.

face it...the honeymoon is over and it's back to business as usual and Arnel will now get the same consideration for his voice that Augeri did.

pretty funny and maybe prophetic that the new Glee movie features the campaign by Sue Sylvester to "Stop Believin"

[portland]

For them to have Arnel's mug on that picture from soundscan for DSB is a fucking joke. The dude didn't have a hand in the single and the plaque has his mug on it. WTF.

Don't sweat it. Like Kevin Shirley said, Perry is very much involved in every decision the band makes regarding songs from the back catalog. The same people are making the licensing deals and getting the royalties for DSB that have been for the last 30 years. A picture on a plaque won't change anything regardless of who's included in the picture and who's missing. The award is for the Columbia records version of the song so let' also not forget that Steve Smith is just as much part of that honor as the other four guys who played on Escape.

+1 The rest about this performance has already been said.

[zigzag]

For them to have Arnel's mug on that picture from soundscan for DSB is a fucking joke. The dude didn't have a hand in the single and the plaque has his mug on it. WTF.

Don't sweat it. Like Kevin Shirley said, Perry is very much involved in every decision the band makes regarding songs from the back catalog. The same people are making the licensing deals and getting the royalties for DSB that have been for the last 30 years. A picture on a plaque won't change anything regardless of who's included in the picture and who's missing. The award is for the Columbia records version of the song so let' also not forget that Steve Smith is just as much part of that honor as the other four guys who played on Escape.

+1 The rest about this performance has already been said.

yeah, what rossvaloryrocks said? i know.

[jestor92]

What accolade? An accolade is by definition is an honor, or an award.

Respectfully, I'd encourage you to read the entire definition. An accolade is also an expression of praise. All three of Journey's releases have earned critical acclaim, if not impressive sales.

Still....what accolades? I haven't read anything that gives the band accolades. The glowing reviews the band has recieved has been from...this site. Most other reviewers give the releases 4/5 stars. I wouldn't say an 80% review are good "accolades" what so ever. The band is falling back into where they were with Augeri before DSB blew up. They're riding the accolades that Don't Stop Believin' has earned. No one wants to here City of Hope, Someone, etc. People go to the concert to hear Don't Stop Believin'. They could care less if the song is being piped through a prerecorded tape or not. Fans want to hear the classics. They aren't coming for the Arnel story, they aren't coming to hear After All These Years. They're coming for the same thing they came for when Augeri was the vocalist. The hits. Now if the band actually had a hit song since the late 80's maybe, just maybe they'd be able to go out and get support for their new matierial. It can happen there are older bands that are going out and having success with new matierial as seen with Ac/Dc, Jovi, U2, hell even Ozzy has had success with his new matierial.