Generations

[yulog]

I don't see how, he did that stunt in the U.K. not in the states...

Wrong. The cd was included in UK newspapers, and also given away at concerts here in the US.

Actually the above, was your response to my comment about the Planet earth release, which was incorrect because the tour was in London that year not in the states. So, if he didn't tour in the states can you explain how he gave out free planet earth cds at concerts in the states

[Greg]

My big beef with Generations aside from the sound seeming muffled, muddy, etc had to do with "A Better Life" For some reason, it seemed like on the CD I had, there were a couple weird skips that took place on the song. I thought, "okay, I somehow scratched the CD". Girlfriend had a CD of her own, played the same song and heard the skip at the exact same place. Not sure if it was an issue with the Reno/Tahoe batch or whatever.

As to the songs off of Generations, it begins to lose me as soon as we get to Butterfly and Believe. And from the Red 13 CD, I absolutely hated Time. It has a really annoying chorus that I found as grating as Frontiers (another song by Journey I just cannot stand).

Faith in the Heartland, well I like the Revelation version just a bit better though I liked the soaring guitars after the last chorus from Generations better.

You guys that are talking about the muffled, muddy sound, did you all get your CDs from the concerts? I got mine from the store (probably Wal-Mart) and there's nothing wrong with the production at all. In fact, sonically wise, it sounds better than my Arrival CD. I'm not playing it on any big, overly expensive stereo system either. I haven't heard any weird skips on A Better Life. I'm listening to the album as we speak (because I want to see if I can hear these "skips" you speak of.) I'm just wondering if the CDs that were passed out at the concerts were "demo" copies, kind of like what Evanescence sold at their concerts?

Have to disagree with you on a couple of points. I love the Frontiers song. Maybe it's more because of the nostalgic feeling I get listening to that song (because it reminds me of 1980's technology for some strange reason) but I absolutely love that song! Love the chorus, love everything about the song. Of course, like most people know, the Frontiers album is what got me into Journey in the first place. Also, on "Faith", I think the original version of the song is much better than the remake on Revelations. That repetitive guitar riff Schon had on the Revelation version is down right annoying to me. His original riff flowed through the song much smoother IMO. Also, while I did like the last part where Arnel took it up on the "Give me something to believe in", over all, I didn't like his version at all.

As a matter of fact, it was a free CD. We both got them from the Reno/Tahoe concert. FITH was a weird beast for me. As I said above I gave it a bit of an edge, but there were things from both versions I wish could've been meshed together. The cleaner sound and the drums pushed it over the top for me while the guitar was just plain better in the Augeri version.

As to Frontiers... the thing that drove me up the wall was the staggered layers that Perry started doing with the Frontiers chorus near the end of the track. The other annoying thing was the awkward sounding beat that just made the song feel off balance. I have the lyrics in my head and I like the lyrics. I just didn't care for it musically. (Oddly enough my favorite tracks from Frontiers wound up being Chain Reaction and Rubicon).

I will just about bet ya that the CDs that were passed out at the concerts were demo CDs. Evanescence did something similar. They would either pass out or sell demo albums of remixed versions of their songs, and a bunch of songs that never made their Fallen CD. They were "good quality" demos, but you could still tell the mix was not grade 'A' perfectly mastered music. It would make sense that Journey did something similar. They probably did a quick mix and master job on the concert CDs, whatever they could get by on without spending too much time/money, and probably spent a little more time and money on the ones they would actually sell in stores. That scenario makes the most sense to me. After all, like I said before, I purchased my copy from the store, and it sounds fantastic to me.

[Pelata]

Most likely, the ones passed out at concerts were not demos, but possibly unmastered or at least a different mastering. Before Sanctuary put it out they either mastered it for the first time or remastered it from the giveaway version. There's no way it's demos because true demos are whole separate recordings.

[Greg]

Most likely, the ones passed out at concerts were not demos, but possibly unmastered or at least a different mastering. Before Sanctuary put it out they either mastered it for the first time or remastered it from the giveaway version. There's no way it's demos because true demos are whole separate recordings.

That's basically what I meant. What I meant by saying demos was to say that they were more than likely not the final masters that were used for the CDs in the store. I used the example of the CDs Evanescence passed out at their concerts - they were not necessarily "demos" but they were not the final masters of those songs. They were "high quality demos". Not trying to get too scientific with the terminology, but just to make the point that I'm doubting that the quality of the CD I purchased from the store is the same quality people received from the concerts.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't see how, he did that stunt in the U.K. not in the states...

Wrong. The cd was included in UK newspapers, and also given away at concerts here in the US.

Actually the above, was your response to my comment about the Planet earth release, which was incorrect because the tour was in London that year not in the states. So, if he didn't tour in the states can you explain how he gave out free planet earth cds at concerts in the states

Wow. Somebody has waaaay too much free time on their hands. I don't care if it was the Planet Earth tour or the Musicology tour. Prince is gay to begin with. I said that Prince gave cds out for free in the states and Neal cribbed the idea from that. Various intervious with Neal back that up. End of story.

[yulog]

I don't see how, he did that stunt in the U.K. not in the states...

Wrong. The cd was included in UK newspapers, and also given away at concerts here in the US.

Actually the above, was your response to my comment about the Planet earth release, which was incorrect because the tour was in London that year not in the states. So, if he didn't tour in the states can you explain how he gave out free planet earth cds at concerts in the states

Wow. Somebody has waaaay too much free time on their hands. said the man with almost 9000 posts


I don't care if it was the Planet Earth tour or the Musicology tour.I'm sorry , what? it wasn't the planet Earth tour? thanks for clarifying you are the one who was wrong

Prince is gay to begin with.I dont know, this sounds like frustration/pouting/ jealousy, the guy has a laundry list of hot chicks that he has been with that would make Hugh hefner proud.

I said that Prince gave cds out for free in the states and Neal cribbed the idea from that. Various intervious with Neal back that up. End of story. No, actually what you said is above in black and white. You came in on my post about Planet earth with that know it all attitude and tried to say I was wrong and it backfired on you.

[Ehwmatt]

There was a difference in quality between the concert Gens and the retail Gens, but not a big one. Neither sounds particularly good to my ears.

[yulog]

There was a difference in quality between the concert Gens and the retail Gens, but not a big one. Neither sounds particularly good to my ears.

Can you actually turn up the volume without it distorting right away ,on the retail one?

[Greg]

There was a difference in quality between the concert Gens and the retail Gens, but not a big one. Neither sounds particularly good to my ears.

Can you actually turn up the volume without it distorting right away ,on the retail one?

As far as I know! Of course I don't turn my up so high that it will rattle the windows, but it's a nice sounding CD.

[yulog]

There was a difference in quality between the concert Gens and the retail Gens, but not a big one. Neither sounds particularly good to my ears.

Can you actually turn up the volume without it distorting right away ,on the retail one?

As far as I know! Of course I don't turn my up so high that it will rattle the windows, but it's a nice sounding CD.

I'm talking in you car turn it up a little bit , the thing i noticed right away with the freebie , you couldn't do that because it would distort very quickly.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't see how, he did that stunt in the U.K. not in the states...

Wrong. The cd was included in UK newspapers, and also given away at concerts here in the US.

Actually the above, was your response to my comment about the Planet earth release, which was incorrect because the tour was in London that year not in the states. So, if he didn't tour in the states can you explain how he gave out free planet earth cds at concerts in the states

Wow. Somebody has waaaay too much free time on their hands. said the man with almost 9000 posts


I don't care if it was the Planet Earth tour or the Musicology tour.I'm sorry , what? it wasn't the planet Earth tour? thanks for clarifying you are the one who was wrong

Prince is gay to begin with.I dont know, this sounds like frustration/pouting/ jealousy, the guy has a laundry list of hot chicks that he has been with that would make Hugh hefner proud.

I said that Prince gave cds out for free in the states and Neal cribbed the idea from that. Various intervious with Neal back that up. End of story. No, actually what you said is above in black and white. You came in on my post about Planet earth with that know it all attitude and tried to say I was wrong and it backfired on you.

Awww, did I bruise somebody's fragile wittle ego? I said that Neal stole the "free cd" idea from Prince giving out cds in the states. Neal has said as much. You initially denied that Prince ever gave out cds in the states. That’s a lie. But, hey, if it makes you feel like the bigger girl knowing that you won the MelodicRock thread about Prince, have at it. That's a rainbow badge of honor, I'd just as soon not wear.

[yulog]

I don't see how, he did that stunt in the U.K. not in the states...

Wrong. The cd was included in UK newspapers, and also given away at concerts here in the US.

Actually the above, was your response to my comment about the Planet earth release, which was incorrect because the tour was in London that year not in the states. So, if he didn't tour in the states can you explain how he gave out free planet earth cds at concerts in the states

Wow. Somebody has waaaay too much free time on their hands. said the man with almost 9000 posts


I don't care if it was the Planet Earth tour or the Musicology tour.I'm sorry , what? it wasn't the planet Earth tour? thanks for clarifying you are the one who was wrong

Prince is gay to begin with.I dont know, this sounds like frustration/pouting/ jealousy, the guy has a laundry list of hot chicks that he has been with that would make Hugh hefner proud.

I said that Prince gave cds out for free in the states and Neal cribbed the idea from that. Various intervious with Neal back that up. End of story. No, actually what you said is above in black and white. You came in on my post about Planet earth with that know it all attitude and tried to say I was wrong and it backfired on you.

Awww, did I bruise somebody's fragile wittle ego? I said that Neal stole the "free cd" idea from Prince giving out cds in the states. Neal has said as much. . That You initially denied that Prince ever gave out cds in the states’s a lie. But, hey, if it makes you feel like the bigger girl knowing that you won the MelodicRock thread about Prince, have at it. That's a rainbow badge of honor, I'd just as soon not wear.

As far as ego's being bruised, lets see if i can do this without bruising your ego any further. Yulog is told he is wrong about something, he quickly provides proof to back up that he is not wrong, The noble clown realizes that he was wrong but doesn't want to admit to it so he barks back, "I don't care", and "Prince is gay" (of course these retorts while not very effective here are very popular in high school)

I'm sorry , who is the one with the bruised ego?


I noticed also that you didn't provide any proof to the bolded statement you made above( or pretty much anything else for that matter ) Is it because there is no proof?? Could it be there's actually proof of the exact opposite of what you said?

Stay tuned folks for tomorrows episode where questions like these will all be answered.........

Will TNC still"not care" but continue to respond to every post

Is Prince really gay?

Will TNC learn how to use the quote button to prove his point?.....(doubt it)

Will yulog stop laughing at TNCs adolescent type responses

Will TNC be proved wrong again...............(but of course )


Will yulog continue to use those stupid god damn smilies..... (Hey ..wait a minute)

All this and more as TNC will ad to his list of skillful comeback lines such as "I don't care" and "Prince is gay"

*SPOILER ALERT* NEXT EPISODE - TNC TELLS YULOG.........WHATEVER!

[Greg]

There was a difference in quality between the concert Gens and the retail Gens, but not a big one. Neither sounds particularly good to my ears.

Can you actually turn up the volume without it distorting right away ,on the retail one?

As far as I know! Of course I don't turn my up so high that it will rattle the windows, but it's a nice sounding CD.

I'm talking in you car turn it up a little bit , the thing i noticed right away with the freebie , you couldn't do that because it would distort very quickly.

Well, I don't have the freebie version, so I can't comment on that. But, the retail version has been played loudly in my car and it never distorted on me.

[yulog]

There was a difference in quality between the concert Gens and the retail Gens, but not a big one. Neither sounds particularly good to my ears.

Can you actually turn up the volume without it distorting right away ,on the retail one?

As far as I know! Of course I don't turn my up so high that it will rattle the windows, but it's a nice sounding CD.

I'm talking in you car turn it up a little bit , the thing i noticed right away with the freebie , you couldn't do that because it would distort very quickly.

Well, I don't have the freebie version, so I can't comment on that. But, the retail version has been played loudly in my car and it never distorted on me.

Are they still available?, I'd like to here if there really is a difference to my ears(would love to get a better version). Are the ones online the same as the walmart ones ?

[Greg]

There was a difference in quality between the concert Gens and the retail Gens, but not a big one. Neither sounds particularly good to my ears.

Can you actually turn up the volume without it distorting right away ,on the retail one?

As far as I know! Of course I don't turn my up so high that it will rattle the windows, but it's a nice sounding CD.

I'm talking in you car turn it up a little bit , the thing i noticed right away with the freebie , you couldn't do that because it would distort very quickly.

Well, I don't have the freebie version, so I can't comment on that. But, the retail version has been played loudly in my car and it never distorted on me.

Are they still available?, I'd like to here if there really is a difference to my ears(would love to get a better version). Are the ones online the same as the walmart ones ?

I'm sure they are still available, although not in a huge amount. I think I saw it at the Walmart in my area back a few months ago. There were a couple of copies. You might be able to get it from Amazon, although you'd have to be careful to make sure you buy a new retail copy and not one the seller would try to pass off as the retail version.

[yulog]

There was a difference in quality between the concert Gens and the retail Gens, but not a big one. Neither sounds particularly good to my ears.

Can you actually turn up the volume without it distorting right away ,on the retail one?

As far as I know! Of course I don't turn my up so high that it will rattle the windows, but it's a nice sounding CD.

I'm talking in you car turn it up a little bit , the thing i noticed right away with the freebie , you couldn't do that because it would distort very quickly.

Well, I don't have the freebie version, so I can't comment on that. But, the retail version has been played loudly in my car and it never distorted on me.

Are they still available?, I'd like to here if there really is a difference to my ears(would love to get a better version). Are the ones online the same as the walmart ones ?

I'm sure they are still available, although not in a huge amount. I think I saw it at the Walmart in my area back a few months ago. There were a couple of copies. You might be able to get it from Amazon, although you'd have to be careful to make sure you buy a new retail copy and not one the seller would try to pass off as the retail version.

Yeah i've noticed that on amazon lots of the concert copies being sold, wouldn't feel comfortable with amazon , i'll have to go to walmart and see if they have it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As far as ego's being bruised, lets see if i can do this without bruising your ego any further. Yulog is told he is wrong about something, he quickly provides proof to back up that he is not wrong,...

One sentence into your post, and you're already full of shit. I simply stated that Neal got the idea for free concert cds from Prince. You then started debating the more finer delicate points of Prince fandom- like anyone gives a fuck. Like most MR posters, I don't know the difference between the Planet Earth tour or the Purple Rain tour, nor do I have a signed copy of the vinyl Batman soundtrack. And I don't want to. Even by Journey fan stanards, get urself a fucking life. The point is, Neal got the idea from Prince. That's a fact. Not sure what the hell it is you're arguing. The futher you carry on with this, the more you risk outing yourself as a ravenous ass pilcher and a fan of one of the lamest musicians alive (or in this case, one in the same). But please, by all means, do continue..

I noticed also that you didn't provide any proof to the bolded statement you made above( or pretty much anything else for that matter ) Is it because there is no proof??

Actually, I included a quote from Neal saying that he took the idea from Prince. A fact you conveniently ignored. That should've been the end of it. Below is your quote, denying that Prince gave cds out for free stateside or that they counted as sales. You're wrong on both counts. Sorry.

"I don't see how, he did that stunt in the U.K. not in the states, it may count in the global count but not in the states, that's where Neal went wrong, giving them out in the U.S.A instead of the U.K...."

[yulog]

As far as ego's being bruised, lets see if i can do this without bruising your ego any further. Yulog is told he is wrong about something, he quickly provides proof to back up that he is not wrong,...

TNC WROTE: One sentence into your post, and you're already full of shit.
YULOG wrote: You sound a little pissy here

TNC WROTE: I simply stated that Neal got the idea for free concert cds from Prince.
YULOG WROTE: NO actually, as proven already by your own words and admittance you tried to say that i was wrong about planet earth being given out in the states. This other crap about Neal is just that little string that your trying to hang on from, to save face By the way, I never disputed what Neal said, please show me where i disputed it(good luck ) Now that i have cut your little string you really don't have anything else but your teenage comebacks...pitiful isnt it

TNC WROTE: You then started debating the more finer delicate points of Prince fandom- like anyone gives a fuck.
YULOG WROTE:Sure looks like you did despite saying "i dont care" your still trying to find your way out of that paper bag you fell in when you tried to correct me about the planet earth cd.


TNC WROTE:Like most MR posters, I don't know the difference between the Planet Earth tour or the Purple Rain tour, nor do I have a signed copy of the vinyl Batman soundtrack.
YULOG WROTE: Nor do i , but luckily i do have the ability to read simple print that tells me when you are wrong and when i'm right(my guess is that many other people have that same ability.....I know, its just simply madness!)


TNC WROTE: And I don't want to. Even by Journey fan stanards, get urself a fucking life. The point is, Neal got the idea from Prince. That's a fact.
YULOG WROTE: Again string cut, you can move on, no one ever disputed this :roll:
TNC WROTE: Not sure what the hell it is you're arguing.
YULOG WROTE:Sure you do, your just trying to do whatever you can to try and get out of it ,because you spoke without knowing what you were talking about.....again
TNC WROTE:The futher you carry on with this, the more you risk outing yourself as a ravenous ass pilcher and a fan of one of the lamest musicians alive
YULOG WROTE: Getting pissy again, trying to blame others for your mistake?I'm not a big fan of Prince, dont have any of his cds never been to a concert, but i do have the ability to read up information on his website , which you were too lazy to do and that's why you look like a fool right now ,

I noticed also that you didn't provide any proof to the bolded statement you made above( or pretty much anything else for that matter ) Is it because there is no proof??

TNC WROTE: Actually, I included a quote from Neal saying that he took the idea from Prince. A fact you conveniently ignored.Again,
YULOG WROTE: no one ignored this, it just had nothing to do with what i called you on, your just trying to cloud the issue with something I never disagreed with, poorly I might add.


TNC WROTE: Below is your quote, denying that Prince gave cds out for free stateside or that they counted as sales.


YULOGS QUOTE:

"I don't see how, he did that stunt in the U.K. not in the states, it may count in the global count but not in the states, that's where Neal went wrong, giving them out in the U.S.A instead of the U.K...."


YULOG WROTE: [b] Above is the quote denying that Prince ever gave out planet escape cds in the U.S and therefore i didn't see how it could be counted in the U.S count. We have already established you were wrong about this, he only toured in
London for that tour. Again how could he give out free cds of planet earth at concerts in the USA if he didn't tour the U.S.A

[Pelata]

Sheesh...let it go.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As far as ego's being bruised, lets see if i can do this without bruising your ego any further. Yulog is told he is wrong about something, he quickly provides proof to back up that he is not wrong,...

TNC WROTE: One sentence into your post, and you're already full of shit.
YULOG wrote: You sound a little pissy here

TNC WROTE: I simply stated that Neal got the idea for free concert cds from Prince.
YULOG WROTE: NO actually, as proven already by your own words and admittance you tried to say that i was wrong about planet earth being given out in the states. This other crap about Neal is just that little string that your trying to hang on from, to save face By the way, I never disputed what Neal said, please show me where i disputed it(good luck ) Now that i have cut your little string you really don't have anything else but your teenage comebacks...pitiful isnt it

TNC WROTE: You then started debating the more finer delicate points of Prince fandom- like anyone gives a fuck.
YULOG WROTE:Sure looks like you did despite saying "i dont care" your still trying to find your way out of that paper bag you fell in when you tried to correct me about the planet earth cd.


TNC WROTE:Like most MR posters, I don't know the difference between the Planet Earth tour or the Purple Rain tour, nor do I have a signed copy of the vinyl Batman soundtrack.
YULOG WROTE: Nor do i , but luckily i do have the ability to read simple print that tells me when you are wrong and when i'm right(my guess is that many other people have that same ability.....I know, its just simply madness!)


TNC WROTE: And I don't want to. Even by Journey fan stanards, get urself a fucking life. The point is, Neal got the idea from Prince. That's a fact.
YULOG WROTE: Again string cut, you can move on, no one ever disputed this :roll:
TNC WROTE: Not sure what the hell it is you're arguing.
YULOG WROTE:Sure you do, your just trying to do whatever you can to try and get out of it ,because you spoke without knowing what you were talking about.....again
TNC WROTE:The futher you carry on with this, the more you risk outing yourself as a ravenous ass pilcher and a fan of one of the lamest musicians alive
YULOG WROTE: Getting pissy again, trying to blame others for your mistake?I'm not a big fan of Prince, dont have any of his cds never been to a concert, but i do have the ability to read up information on his website , which you were too lazy to do and that's why you look like a fool right now ,

I noticed also that you didn't provide any proof to the bolded statement you made above( or pretty much anything else for that matter ) Is it because there is no proof??

TNC WROTE: Actually, I included a quote from Neal saying that he took the idea from Prince. A fact you conveniently ignored.Again,
YULOG WROTE: no one ignored this, it just had nothing to do with what i called you on, your just trying to cloud the issue with something I never disagreed with, poorly I might add.


TNC WROTE: Below is your quote, denying that Prince gave cds out for free stateside or that they counted as sales.


YULOGS QUOTE:

"I don't see how, he did that stunt in the U.K. not in the states, it may count in the global count but not in the states, that's where Neal went wrong, giving them out in the U.S.A instead of the U.K...."


YULOG WROTE: [b] Above is the quote denying that Prince ever gave out planet escape cds in the U.S and therefore i didn't see how it could be counted in the U.S count. We have already established you were wrong about this, he only toured in
London for that tour. Again how could he give out free cds of planet earth at concerts in the USA if he didn't tour the U.S.A

*YAWN*. Yulog, I said "I don’t care" because, literally, I don’t care about your asexual, pencil-mustachioed, jheri-curled rock hero. Seriously. Read that again. That’s not a typo. And that’s not some sort of cryptic metaphor as indecipherable as the hieroglyph Prince misguidedly adopted in the 90s. If there are no winners in online sparring matches, just losers by default, then this is especially true when the topic turns to something as gay as Prince. We’re talking a singer so awe-inspiringly cock saavy that he makes Richard Gere’s gerbil farm look like the Bunny Ranch by comparison. MR already has plenty of vacant forums devoted to irrelevant artists, maybe you’d fit more at home there. Your overreliance of emoticons (the cyber equivalent of being an unfunny prop comic - don’t look now but you’re this forum’s version of Gallager) renders your posts all but unreadable.
So to re-cap…
Prince gave out cds for free both in the UK and the US.
Neal was inspired by the US tour, and not the UK one.
You’re on the war path because I confused his Planet Earth UK tour with the Musicology US tour.
Well soooorrrry. What a cardinal offense. That’s like not knowing the alphabet, or that the Earth revolves around the Sun, or the correct spelling of all the maiden names of Neal’s ex-wives or, err, uhh, something. Serious dude?

[yulog]

.*YAWN*. Yulog, I said "I don’t care" because, literally, I don’t care about your asexual, pencil-mustachioed, jheri-curled rock hero. Seriously. Read that again. That’s not a typo. And that’s not some sort of cryptic metaphor as indecipherable as the hieroglyph Prince misguidedly adopted in the 90s. If there are no winners in online sparring matches, just losers by default, then this is especially true when the topic turns to something as gay as Prince. We’re talking a singer so awe-inspiringly cock saavy that he makes Richard Gere’s gerbil farm look like the Bunny Ranch by comparison. MR already has plenty of vacant forums devoted to irrelevant artists, maybe you’d fit more at home there. Your overreliance of emoticons (the cyber equivalent of being an unfunny prop comic - don’t look now but you’re this forum’s version of Gallager) renders your posts all but unreadable.
So to re-cap…
Prince gave out cds for free both in the UK and the US.
Neal was inspired by the US tour, and not the UK one.
You’re on the war path because I confused his Planet Earth UK tour with the Musicology US tour.
Well soooorrrry. What a cardinal offense. That’s like not knowing the alphabet, or that the Earth revolves around the Sun, or the correct spelling of all the maiden names of Neal’s ex-wives or, err, uhh, something. Serious dude?

Now that wasn't so hard to do, was it. Apologee accepted