Neal Schon lied to me about tapegate

[tater1977]

Journey will do the hits detuned , most people wont even know,New matirial wont matter that much,Friga will do his old piano solo,and set on his ass.Arnel will do his best to stir up the band ,and hopefully not blow out his voice like all the other singers has done in the past.Thats my take on Journey nowadays

If they see the crowd yawning...maybe a lil...

http://youtu.be/Ti3XBbMUHg0

[stevew2]

Journey will do the hits detuned , most people wont even know,New matirial wont matter that much,Friga will do his old piano solo,and set on his ass.Arnel will do his best to stir up the band ,and hopefully not blow out his voice like all the other singers has done in the past.Thats my take on Journey nowadays

If they see the crowd yawning...maybe a lil...

http://youtu.be/Ti3XBbMUHg0

Ill go to one close by just for the hell of it tater.I might yell ROLIE in honor of Deano

[steveo777]

Journey will do the hits detuned , most people wont even know,New matirial wont matter that much,Friga will do his old piano solo,and set on his ass.Arnel will do his best to stir up the band ,and hopefully not blow out his voice like all the other singers has done in the past.Thats my take on Journey nowadays

They may not feel the need to downtune this tour. It's not as rigorous as last year's tour. I hope I'm right, but if they do, we must realize that they are trying not to burn out another singer, not because AP can't sing the song in original key. The catalog will murder the best of them.

[tater1977]

Journey will do the hits detuned , most people wont even know,New matirial wont matter that much,Friga will do his old piano solo,and set on his ass.Arnel will do his best to stir up the band ,and hopefully not blow out his voice like all the other singers has done in the past.Thats my take on Journey nowadays

If they see the crowd yawning...maybe a lil...

http://youtu.be/Ti3XBbMUHg0

Ill go to one close by just for the hell of it tater.I might yell ROLIE in honor of Deano

LoL YELL loudly....

[annie89509]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

There are too many people who post on here just to be negative about Journey...so that term fits. If I hated something as much as some folks hate Journey on here I would find something better to do. I just don't get it.

I don't believe it's "haters" (I agree Don, pretty gay word) on here wanting to be negative about Journey. There are just Journey fans who are disgruntled about the current incarnation, and they have every right to voice their opinions just like you do. There should be a balance of positive and negative, and I think both opinions should be respected.

Exactly right! Who but diehard Journey fans know or care enough to be critical of the band. Deano used to rail against the "kool-aid drinking crowd" over at BT (official Journey fan forum)....haha. Regarding Journey's work post-Perry, fair or not, fact is the general music public have very little connection with any of the perryless records ...so yes, WW was right in a way...these albums are forgetable.

[whirlwind]

Yes! Who else but you? Write it.

Remember when Dean razzed on the "Lulu" on the Journey board and your first post here was to set him straight?

i'd like to think i have better subjects to write about . the "band" did admit to tapegate, just not to the public/fans. i will never forget my first post here, lol, opened the door to quite the ride! i will have to include tapegate in my writings to wyatt about his daddy, that whole thing was insanity lived.

"the "band" did admit to tapegate,"

Only if you have it in writing or taped. I think that some one from the band or a very good biographer will uncover all the mysteries of hate, deceit, and misinformation surrounding Journey but I'm sure that it will only be of interest to the hardcore fans that have followed it for so long and stuck around, waiting and hoping for a reunion. From day one, that has been my only reason, keeping me interested. I'm not that interested in solo from any of them, even Perry.

'm sure that you have lots of photos Lula. I wished that I could have been with you two on that camp out and I'm sure that you would have wanted me around.

[Michigan Girl]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

There are too many people who post on here just to be negative about Journey...so that term fits. If I hated something as much as some folks hate Journey on here I would find something better to do. I just don't get it.

Really?! From what I've seen, of late, there are very few
posts negative or positive. However, there are too many
people w/opinions and I'm getting sick of that, too ...time for
some valvoline.

[Eric]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

There are too many people who post on here just to be negative about Journey...so that term fits. If I hated something as much as some folks hate Journey on here I would find something better to do. I just don't get it.

I don't believe it's "haters" (I agree Don, pretty gay word) on here wanting to be negative about Journey. There are just Journey fans who are disgruntled about the current incarnation, and they have every right to voice their opinions just like you do. There should be a balance of positive and negative, and I think both opinions should be respected.

Being critical of different aspects of the band is healthy...but why would someone come on here on a regular basis to dump on anything and everything they've done post-Perry? I don't get it. Worse, is the lies and spin about how they aren't successful or only playing GH...etc. I also accept that someone would prefer one incarnation over another - but I find it hysterical when people think the band was more successful or creative during the Augeri era than now. I like both, but this era is far more successful.

[Yoda]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

There are too many people who post on here just to be negative about Journey...so that term fits. If I hated something as much as some folks hate Journey on here I would find something better to do. I just don't get it.

I don't believe it's "haters" (I agree Don, pretty gay word) on here wanting to be negative about Journey. There are just Journey fans who are disgruntled about the current incarnation, and they have every right to voice their opinions just like you do. There should be a balance of positive and negative, and I think both opinions should be respected.

Being critical of different aspects of the band is healthy...but why would someone come on here on a regular basis to dump on anything and everything they've done post-Perry? I don't get it. Worse, is the lies and spin about how they aren't successful or only playing GH...etc. I also accept that someone would prefer one incarnation over another - but I find it hysterical when people think the band was more successful or creative during the Augeri era than now. I like both, but this era is far more successful.

At the same time, I don't get bitching about people who wish to voice their opinions, as negative as they may be, toward the current incarnation of Journey. This is an unofficial Journey board that is open for all opinions, no matter how negative, or cheerleaderish those opinions may be. And quite frankly, if every thread is peachy, lovey dubby, Journey can do no wrong, then probably about 90% of the board's members would cease from posting. The negative stuff is as much a part of Journey, unfortunate as it may be, as the positive stuff. And, I have to say, threads about Tapegate and some of the behind the scenes stuff is quite an interesting read. I don't come here to bow down at Journey's alter, I come here to gather information about the band, whether positive or negative...because I'm a fan.

Secondly, success is in the eyes of the beholder, apparently. I would have to respectfully disagree that this era is far more successful than the Augeri era. Honestly, not much of Journey, Post-Perry has been very successful without the help of the classic stuff. That's just an unfortunate fact. Doesn't mean the stuff has sucked....I think Journey has put out some darn good material over the last several years. But, there's just a lot of fans who liked Augeri much more than Pineda. Just like fans who liked Perry much more than anybody else who has sang in the band. My point is, don't be a bitch and be so overly offended because people don't share the same enthusiasm as you about the current era. That's what makes this place so great...there's diversity.

[AR]

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

Funny how its always the other band that is the draw with you haters, but year after Journey is one of the top selling tours.

Heart plays to 3k without Journey in Big Flats, NY..Journey plays to 10k alone in Buffalo, NY and then Heart&Journey at the NYS Fair is sold out at 16k+ so it must be Heart, right?

Leppard doesn't draw as many since the Journey tour...Journey drew more in '08...but that must have been Leppard, right?

Frampton, Foreigner and Night Ranger play to smaller crowds opening for other bands then are part of one the top selling tours on 2011 with Journey...guess it must have been the them though, right?

Cheap Trick played for free at the NYS Fair Cole Muffler Stand then sells out the grandstand with Journey...must have been Cheap Trick, right?

Styx and REO played the Erie COUNTY Fair after the Main Event Tour, so they must have driven the great attendance that tour, right?

Seriously..enough with the irrational and plain out incorrect information and bashing.

Journey does NOT draw on their own. They NEED a tour package. Don't get me started. They may be the top draw of the package but they are subjected to theaters on their own with some exceptions.

[steveo777]

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

Funny how its always the other band that is the draw with you haters, but year after Journey is one of the top selling tours.

Heart plays to 3k without Journey in Big Flats, NY..Journey plays to 10k alone in Buffalo, NY and then Heart&Journey at the NYS Fair is sold out at 16k+ so it must be Heart, right?

Leppard doesn't draw as many since the Journey tour...Journey drew more in '08...but that must have been Leppard, right?

Frampton, Foreigner and Night Ranger play to smaller crowds opening for other bands then are part of one the top selling tours on 2011 with Journey...guess it must have been the them though, right?

Cheap Trick played for free at the NYS Fair Cole Muffler Stand then sells out the grandstand with Journey...must have been Cheap Trick, right?

Styx and REO played the Erie COUNTY Fair after the Main Event Tour, so they must have driven the great attendance that tour, right?

Seriously..enough with the irrational and plain out incorrect information and bashing.

Journey does NOT draw on their own. They NEED a tour package. Don't get me started. They may be the top draw of the package but they are subjected to theaters on their own with some exceptions.

We have nothing, really to back that up, but IMO, I disagree with you. Journey remains the headliner and I do believe they are the draw. When was the last time they went out all by themselves and proved that they don't draw on their own? Show me and I'll shut up. Fair?

[AR]

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

Funny how its always the other band that is the draw with you haters, but year after Journey is one of the top selling tours.

Heart plays to 3k without Journey in Big Flats, NY..Journey plays to 10k alone in Buffalo, NY and then Heart&Journey at the NYS Fair is sold out at 16k+ so it must be Heart, right?

Leppard doesn't draw as many since the Journey tour...Journey drew more in '08...but that must have been Leppard, right?

Frampton, Foreigner and Night Ranger play to smaller crowds opening for other bands then are part of one the top selling tours on 2011 with Journey...guess it must have been the them though, right?

Cheap Trick played for free at the NYS Fair Cole Muffler Stand then sells out the grandstand with Journey...must have been Cheap Trick, right?

Styx and REO played the Erie COUNTY Fair after the Main Event Tour, so they must have driven the great attendance that tour, right?

Seriously..enough with the irrational and plain out incorrect information and bashing.

Journey does NOT draw on their own. They NEED a tour package. Don't get me started. They may be the top draw of the package but they are subjected to theaters on their own with some exceptions.

We have nothing, really to back that up, but IMO, I disagree with you. Journey remains the headliner and I do believe they are the draw. When was the last time they went out all by themselves and proved that they don't draw on their own? Show me and I'll shut up. Fair?

Journey and Night Ranger played in front of 3,000 in a 12,000 seater in Baltimore last time around. They can not play arenas on their own. They need a 3 pack to play the sheds successfully and draw a ton. That's a fucking fact. A lot of you on here were claiming sole credit to Journey having one of the top tours with Heart and Cheap Trick a few years ago and it was ridiculous. Journey are a 4,000 or so draw on their own. Heart 2,000, Trick 1,000 or less. As a package it is 10 to 15,000 viable big draw. I am right. Period, end of stop.

[AR]

And I'm with steveo777 about really seeing attendance figures for Journey shows without a package tour. The simple fact that those non-package tour shows are rare for them. I go to 25-30 concerts a year, follow a lot of bands and know what I am talking about. Journey do well, but are only maybe a 1,000 in the seats better than Styx without 2 solid opening acts or one great one.

Journey's last real drawing power was the initial curiosity early on with Augeri. They still had Foreigner then but they were the draw. Nice spike after The Sopranos in recent years but they couldn't go out with an unknown opening act then either.

It is what it is.

[steveo777]

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

Funny how its always the other band that is the draw with you haters, but year after Journey is one of the top selling tours.

Heart plays to 3k without Journey in Big Flats, NY..Journey plays to 10k alone in Buffalo, NY and then Heart&Journey at the NYS Fair is sold out at 16k+ so it must be Heart, right?

Leppard doesn't draw as many since the Journey tour...Journey drew more in '08...but that must have been Leppard, right?

Frampton, Foreigner and Night Ranger play to smaller crowds opening for other bands then are part of one the top selling tours on 2011 with Journey...guess it must have been the them though, right?

Cheap Trick played for free at the NYS Fair Cole Muffler Stand then sells out the grandstand with Journey...must have been Cheap Trick, right?

Styx and REO played the Erie COUNTY Fair after the Main Event Tour, so they must have driven the great attendance that tour, right?

Seriously..enough with the irrational and plain out incorrect information and bashing.

Journey does NOT draw on their own. They NEED a tour package. Don't get me started. They may be the top draw of the package but they are subjected to theaters on their own with some exceptions.

We have nothing, really to back that up, but IMO, I disagree with you. Journey remains the headliner and I do believe they are the draw. When was the last time they went out all by themselves and proved that they don't draw on their own? Show me and I'll shut up. Fair?

Journey and Night Ranger played in front of 3,000 in a 12,000 seater in Baltimore last time around. They can not play arenas on their own. They need a 3 pack to play the sheds successfully and draw a ton. That's a fucking fact. A lot of you on here were claiming sole credit to Journey having one of the top tours with Heart and Cheap Trick a few years ago and it was ridiculous. Journey are a 4,000 or so draw on their own. Heart 2,000, Trick 1,000 or less. As a package it is 10 to 15,000 viable big draw. I am right. Period, end of stop.

Ok, Ed....I'll let you be right since you like it so much. We are a funny bunch around here and everyone has their own truths, distorted realities......or, as my favorite comic used to say, they are just fucking nuts! Damn I miss George Carlin!
We can't take any of this shit seriously, lest we be labeled as loons.

[AR]

Ok, Ed....I'll let you be right since you like it so much. We are a funny bunch around here and everyone has their own truths, distorted realities......or, as my favorite comic used to say, they are just fucking nuts! Damn I miss George Carlin!
We can't take any of this shit seriously, lest we be labeled as loons.

I loved Carlin.

[kgdjpubs]

Journey and Night Ranger played in front of 3,000 in a 12,000 seater in Baltimore last time around. They can not play arenas on their own. They need a 3 pack to play the sheds successfully and draw a ton. That's a fucking fact. A lot of you on here were claiming sole credit to Journey having one of the top tours with Heart and Cheap Trick a few years ago and it was ridiculous. Journey are a 4,000 or so draw on their own. Heart 2,000, Trick 1,000 or less. As a package it is 10 to 15,000 viable big draw. I am right. Period, end of stop.

That same tour (Journey/Night Ranger) also played to a fairly full Greensboro Coliseum. I don't think it sold out but that place was packed. Guesstimates would put the crowd in the 15-18k range.

[bionic]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

There are too many people who post on here just to be negative about Journey...so that term fits. If I hated something as much as some folks hate Journey on here I would find something better to do. I just don't get it.

I don't believe it's "haters" (I agree Don, pretty gay word) on here wanting to be negative about Journey. There are just Journey fans who are disgruntled about the current incarnation, and they have every right to voice their opinions just like you do. There should be a balance of positive and negative, and I think both opinions should be respected.

Being critical of different aspects of the band is healthy...but why would someone come on here on a regular basis to dump on anything and everything they've done post-Perry? I don't get it. Worse, is the lies and spin about how they aren't successful or only playing GH...etc. I also accept that someone would prefer one incarnation over another - but I find it hysterical when people think the band was more successful or creative during the Augeri era than now. I like both, but this era is far more successful.

At the same time, I don't get bitching about people who wish to voice their opinions, as negative as they may be, toward the current incarnation of Journey. This is an unofficial Journey board that is open for all opinions, no matter how negative, or cheerleaderish those opinions may be. And quite frankly, if every thread is peachy, lovey dubby, Journey can do no wrong, then probably about 90% of the board's members would cease from posting. The negative stuff is as much a part of Journey, unfortunate as it may be, as the positive stuff. And, I have to say, threads about Tapegate and some of the behind the scenes stuff is quite an interesting read. I don't come here to bow down at Journey's alter, I come here to gather information about the band, whether positive or negative...because I'm a fan.

Secondly, success is in the eyes of the beholder, apparently. I would have to respectfully disagree that this era is far more successful than the Augeri era. Honestly, not much of Journey, Post-Perry has been very successful without the help of the classic stuff. That's just an unfortunate fact. Doesn't mean the stuff has sucked....I think Journey has put out some darn good material over the last several years. But, there's just a lot of fans who liked Augeri much more than Pineda. Just like fans who liked Perry much more than anybody else who has sang in the band. My point is, don't be a bitch and be so overly offended because people don't share the same enthusiasm as you about the current era. That's what makes this place so great...there's diversity.

Well said.

[Abitaman]

My favorite era was Augeri, I do not think it was the best. Steve Perry, Neal, Jon was the best era iIMO. But there is good and bad in all the era's.

[Eric]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

There are too many people who post on here just to be negative about Journey...so that term fits. If I hated something as much as some folks hate Journey on here I would find something better to do. I just don't get it.

I don't believe it's "haters" (I agree Don, pretty gay word) on here wanting to be negative about Journey. There are just Journey fans who are disgruntled about the current incarnation, and they have every right to voice their opinions just like you do. There should be a balance of positive and negative, and I think both opinions should be respected.

Being critical of different aspects of the band is healthy...but why would someone come on here on a regular basis to dump on anything and everything they've done post-Perry? I don't get it. Worse, is the lies and spin about how they aren't successful or only playing GH...etc. I also accept that someone would prefer one incarnation over another - but I find it hysterical when people think the band was more successful or creative during the Augeri era than now. I like both, but this era is far more successful.

At the same time, I don't get bitching about people who wish to voice their opinions, as negative as they may be, toward the current incarnation of Journey. This is an unofficial Journey board that is open for all opinions, no matter how negative, or cheerleaderish those opinions may be. And quite frankly, if every thread is peachy, lovey dubby, Journey can do no wrong, then probably about 90% of the board's members would cease from posting. The negative stuff is as much a part of Journey, unfortunate as it may be, as the positive stuff. And, I have to say, threads about Tapegate and some of the behind the scenes stuff is quite an interesting read. I don't come here to bow down at Journey's alter, I come here to gather information about the band, whether positive or negative...because I'm a fan.

Secondly, success is in the eyes of the beholder, apparently. I would have to respectfully disagree that this era is far more successful than the Augeri era. Honestly, not much of Journey, Post-Perry has been very successful without the help of the classic stuff. That's just an unfortunate fact. Doesn't mean the stuff has sucked....I think Journey has put out some darn good material over the last several years. But, there's just a lot of fans who liked Augeri much more than Pineda. Just like fans who liked Perry much more than anybody else who has sang in the band. My point is, don't be a bitch and be so overly offended because people don't share the same enthusiasm as you about the current era. That's what makes this place so great...there's diversity.

You must have difficulty reading because I clearly said being critical of the band is healthy. Thinking it was a mistake to continue without Perry on the other hand, while a fair opinion, leads me puzzled as why someone would harp on it for 15 years on a weekly or even daily basis.

Offended? No Confused and annoyed? Yes

Back Talk went downhill fast and is nothing that I want to recreate. At the same time, new material and touring is all most of us wanted in the mid 90's and we've gotten a steady dose of it so the constant negativity does annoy me. Whether or not you like the material is strictly ones opinion, but plenty of us love it and even more respect that they still are creating. Not playing enough of it because they do too many 3 band tours is a whole 'nother story and one that I'm not happy about. Then again, to suggest they only play the same songs every show is not true either. Within a given tour it gets too stale, but from tour to tour they do mix it up relatively well. Not well enough for my liking, but I understand who their target audience is too...and its not just about money but also not wanting to bore the crowd or be the worst band of the 3 to the majority of the fans.

[Eric]

True dat! Never did say that Perry didn't have them out HOing for him. Agree also that they need some great draw to get folks in the door.

Funny how its always the other band that is the draw with you haters, but year after Journey is one of the top selling tours.

Heart plays to 3k without Journey in Big Flats, NY..Journey plays to 10k alone in Buffalo, NY and then Heart&Journey at the NYS Fair is sold out at 16k+ so it must be Heart, right?

Leppard doesn't draw as many since the Journey tour...Journey drew more in '08...but that must have been Leppard, right?

Frampton, Foreigner and Night Ranger play to smaller crowds opening for other bands then are part of one the top selling tours on 2011 with Journey...guess it must have been the them though, right?

Cheap Trick played for free at the NYS Fair Cole Muffler Stand then sells out the grandstand with Journey...must have been Cheap Trick, right?

Styx and REO played the Erie COUNTY Fair after the Main Event Tour, so they must have driven the great attendance that tour, right?

Seriously..enough with the irrational and plain out incorrect information and bashing.

Journey does NOT draw on their own. They NEED a tour package. Don't get me started. They may be the top draw of the package but they are subjected to theaters on their own with some exceptions.

We have nothing, really to back that up, but IMO, I disagree with you. Journey remains the headliner and I do believe they are the draw. When was the last time they went out all by themselves and proved that they don't draw on their own? Show me and I'll shut up. Fair?

I saw them alone at Darien Lake in the rain in '09 and they drew about 10k. They need another band or two to bump that number to 15k. I know this doesn't prove anything either way (especially because it was an uneven tour with some solo dates, some with Heart, some with others) but if they had some more nut they would be happy playing to theatres or half full sheds by themselves. I think they are so scared of hearing "See, they can't draw without Perry they are playing so and so threatre" that they won't nut up. Just my opinion.

[Eric]

Journey's last real drawing power was the initial curiosity early on with Augeri. They still had Foreigner then but they were the draw. Nice spike after The Sopranos in recent years but they couldn't go out with an unknown opening act then either.

It is what it is.

I loved those tours, but they were not in the same league as what they've drawn with Pineda. The people I drag with me have seen every show at every venue in the area and have all commented they can't believe how big Journey has gotten. They doubled up last year in Rochester/Buffalo with Foreigner what they drew with Foreigner (with hometown Lou Gramm) in '99. That also is a fact. They sold out the State Fair in '08 when they played to a half full grandstand during the Augeri years.

Both '08 and '11 saw Journey as one of the top tours in the country gate wise. They weren't doing those number with Augeri. Although, they did damn well in 2005 alone with that 3 hour show...better than they had done, and perhaps the DSB spike would have happened regardless. Wish Augeri has been with the band to experience the resurgence because he deserved it.

Now maybe the spike is solely because of DSB and maybe my area just didn't support them in the Augeri years...but I'm being honest in what I'm seeing.

Personally, the band was never better than when JSS was with them, and the fact the tour kept being expanded had much to do with word of mouth about his energy as far as I'm concerned. There was legit grassroot buzz that summer for JSS with Journey.

[whirlwind]

I also thought that Soto would have been a great fit and I was so looking forward to a new album with Jeff in the mix. I thought that he was a bit rough around the edges but that he covered the hits beautifully. He sang them with too much of the Perry asides but I think that it was what the crowd wanted for the D.D. A new album might have given Journey a fresh start, as long as it was not another Soul Sessions.(Barf!) ...jmo

I have to admit that he sang some of the Journey hits as well as Perry and maybe better. As well as I love the Perry/Journey music, Perry did give me a few cringe moments. His patronizing "Neal", ( I wouldn't have blamed Schon if he had smashed Perry with his guitar) and a little scat instead of the "My,My,MY MY MY," would have been a lot less gay.

I know. How can anyone critique the Journey Hits with Perry? Come on, he did have some cringe moments. Admit it.

[YoungJRNY]

. The new albums are all but forgettable and the tours are solely based on the Perry years. They exist on what he contributed. Their lead singers were/are Perry wannabes. You could say that he was still vicariously with them without presiding.

Statements like these just seem to piss me off for some reason. Journey exists because Journey exists, period. Of course, Journey took off with Steve Perry at lead vocals, but Steve Perry joined the band JOURNEY, not Journey joining Steve Perry. For all of what SP contributed, you know, so did Neal Schon, Ross Valory & Jonathan Cain. What do you want them to play? Of course they have to tribute the early years because quite frankly, when they decided to move on without Perry and supposedly "fracture the stone" then that meant keep in tact the very songs that made them ALL famous. Steve Perry just happened to be the lead singer because all the guys contributed in their legacy sound, regardless of what Augeri, Soto, or Arnel brought to the table afterwards. Journey isn't touring Steve Perry songs. They are touring JOURNEY songs. A 5 man band. Not 1. Besides, their often lead singer change fits their name nicely. No matter what, they Journey-on.

[YoungJRNY]

I also find this entire Journey legacy thing ass-backwards. People always say it's "Steve Perry's songs" that keep Journey relevant today. Perry took the high road. He was apart of the process when creating these legendary songs, but when it was time to honor it, he's nowhere to be found. IMHO, it's Journey fuckin' keeping Perry's legacy alive by touring and still playing the DD. Perry hasn't been relevant in decades and hasn't even shown his FACE for more than the most part and he still gets all the credit. Why? Because Schon decided to keep the Journey name in sight while Perry would of ended Journey for good because he would of never came back anyhow.

IMHO, Steve Perry, the all mighty one who maybe showed his face once or twice since 1996, is still relevant because of Journey and he should thank those guys touring their ASS off every year to keep his name associated with one of the best rock bands ever.

[Abitaman]

Statements like these just seem to piss me off for some reason. Journey exists because Journey exists, period. Of course, Journey took off with Steve Perry at lead vocals, but Steve Perry joined the band JOURNEY, not Journey joining Steve Perry. For all of what SP contributed, you know, so did Neal Schon, Ross Valory & Jonathan Cain. What do you want them to play? Of course they have to tribute the early years because quite frankly, when they decided to move on without Perry and supposedly "fracture the stone" then that meant keep in tact the very songs that made them ALL famous. Steve Perry just happened to be the lead singer because all the guys contributed in their legacy sound, regardless of what Augeri, Soto, or Arnel brought to the table afterwards. Journey isn't touring Steve Perry songs. They are touring JOURNEY songs. A 5 man band. Not 1. Besides, their often lead singer change fits their name nicely. No matter what, they Journey-on.

Agreed!!!
I like Journey because of the band not Steve Perry. I have all the members projects and solo stuff and nothing (Stev, Neal, Jon, Greg, Deen, Ross, Smilth....)matches Journey. They all have had good to bad . But the good has been no where near as good as Journey on a ok day. What made Journey was the whole band, not one or two people. One person is not a band and Journ ey was not one person, if so, who ever was the man man would have sold HUGE solo.

[Don]

I also find this entire Journey legacy thing ass-backwards. People always say it's "Steve Perry's songs" that keep Journey relevant today. Perry took the high road. He was apart of the process when creating these legendary songs, but when it was time to honor it, he's nowhere to be found. IMHO, it's Journey fuckin' keeping Perry's legacy alive by touring and still playing the DD. Perry hasn't been relevant in decades and hasn't even shown his FACE for more than the most part and he still gets all the credit. Why? Because Schon decided to keep the Journey name in sight while Perry would of ended Journey for good because he would of never came back anyhow.

IMHO, Steve Perry, the all mighty one who maybe showed his face once or twice since 1996, is still relevant because of Journey and he should thank those guys touring their ASS off every year to keep his name associated with one of the best rock bands ever.

Cain has come right out and said that is opportunistic Licensing that is keeping their name relevant all these years. Without that, Journey is just another touring band like Heart, Foreigner and all the rest.
"Touring their ass off" has nothing to do with it. You don't see them playing the Rose Bowl or the Meadow Lands. It is having their music represented in media because the producers of today were those young Journey fans of the 80s who can now give the music wide exposure through the entertainment industry.
If you've read all the twitter posts and comments over the last few years, it's apparent that despite appearances on Oprah, Ellen and other TV shows, a large part of the concert going masses STILL don't know who that "Asian guy that sounds just like Steve Perry" is.
Perry's own foresight in seeing that Glee was something that could be huge and going down to the studios and associating himself with the show was a BIG reason why he was able to keep his and Journey's name out front in the media and keep the momentum going from the song's appearance in the Sopranos two years earlier, and that was in spite of Journey not taking advantage of the publicity by doing some kind of tour in 2010.

[YoungJRNY]

I also find this entire Journey legacy thing ass-backwards. People always say it's "Steve Perry's songs" that keep Journey relevant today. Perry took the high road. He was apart of the process when creating these legendary songs, but when it was time to honor it, he's nowhere to be found. IMHO, it's Journey fuckin' keeping Perry's legacy alive by touring and still playing the DD. Perry hasn't been relevant in decades and hasn't even shown his FACE for more than the most part and he still gets all the credit. Why? Because Schon decided to keep the Journey name in sight while Perry would of ended Journey for good because he would of never came back anyhow.

IMHO, Steve Perry, the all mighty one who maybe showed his face once or twice since 1996, is still relevant because of Journey and he should thank those guys touring their ASS off every year to keep his name associated with one of the best rock bands ever.

Cain has come right out and said that is opportunistic Licensing that is keeping their name relevant all these years. Without that, Journey is just another touring band like Heart, Foreigner and all the rest.
"Touring their ass off" has nothing to do with it. You don't see them playing the Rose Bowl or the Meadow Lands. It is having their music represented in media because the producers of today were those young Journey fans of the 80s who can now give the music wide exposure through the entertainment industry.

Perry's own foresight in seeing that Glee was something that could be huge and going down to the studios and associating himself with the show was the reason he was able to keep his and Journey's name out front in the media and keep the momentum going from the song's appearance in the Sopranos two years earlier.

I understand all of that and whatever the business aspect brings to the band as far as Licensing is concerned is another story. Regarding the point I was trying to make, I don't agree that touring their ass off has nothing to do with it. I believe touring their ass off has a lot to do with it regardless of what the business side of things ensures. Even if Journey was just another touring band like Heart and Foreigner, then the same thing STILL applies: It's Journey keeping the Steve Perry name alive, NOT the other way around & I'll always believe that. I love Perry & appreciate him being the right singer, at the right time, during the right boom period for the radio era but I also love the Arrival, Red13, Generations, Revelation & Eclipse years just as much as the Escape years and those CD's that came in the Augeri/Pineda era still shows awareness to the Journey name, and when the name "Journey" flash's across the casual's eyes, they think Perry because of that boom period, so Journey, in my mind, keeps Perry's name above water because Perry sure as hell isn't putting any time or effort in doing so. 16 years a matter of fact.

[Don]

I also find this entire Journey legacy thing ass-backwards. People always say it's "Steve Perry's songs" that keep Journey relevant today. Perry took the high road. He was apart of the process when creating these legendary songs, but when it was time to honor it, he's nowhere to be found. IMHO, it's Journey fuckin' keeping Perry's legacy alive by touring and still playing the DD. Perry hasn't been relevant in decades and hasn't even shown his FACE for more than the most part and he still gets all the credit. Why? Because Schon decided to keep the Journey name in sight while Perry would of ended Journey for good because he would of never came back anyhow.

IMHO, Steve Perry, the all mighty one who maybe showed his face once or twice since 1996, is still relevant because of Journey and he should thank those guys touring their ASS off every year to keep his name associated with one of the best rock bands ever.

Cain has come right out and said that is opportunistic Licensing that is keeping their name relevant all these years. Without that, Journey is just another touring band like Heart, Foreigner and all the rest.
"Touring their ass off" has nothing to do with it. You don't see them playing the Rose Bowl or the Meadow Lands. It is having their music represented in media because the producers of today were those young Journey fans of the 80s who can now give the music wide exposure through the entertainment industry.

Perry's own foresight in seeing that Glee was something that could be huge and going down to the studios and associating himself with the show was the reason he was able to keep his and Journey's name out front in the media and keep the momentum going from the song's appearance in the Sopranos two years earlier.

I understand all of that and whatever the business aspect brings to the band as far as Licensing is concerned is another story. Regarding the point I was trying to make, I don't agree that touring their ass off has nothing to do with it. I believe touring their ass off has a lot to do with it regardless of what the business side of things ensures. Even if Journey was just another touring band like Heart and Foreigner, then the same thing STILL applies: It's Journey keeping the Steve Perry name alive, NOT the other way around & I'll always believe that. I love Perry & appreciate him being the right singer, at the right time, during the right boom period for the radio era but I also love the Arrival, Red13, Generations, Revelation & Eclipse years just as much as the Escape years and those CD's that came in the Augeri/Pineda era still shows awareness to the Journey name, and when the name "Journey" flash's across the casual's eyes, they think Perry because of that boom period, so Journey, in my mind, keeps Perry's name above water because Perry sure as hell isn't putting any time or effort in doing so. 16 years a matter of fact.

To me, Journey's magical elements are Schon, Perry and Cain. Yeah, there was a Journey before and after Perry but that is my own personal opinion of the matter.
My own point I was making above was that if Perry doesn't come out of his shell and recognize that Glee could be a huge boost for the band, no one in the press would still be mentioning his name today as far as Journey is concerned. Perry DID come out of his shell though. He made himself available and always kept the spotlight on what THEY (he, Cain and Schon) had created with DSB.
When DSB was blowing up in 2010 in the states and around the world, Perry was the guy in the media working it. Journey's Greatest Hits was at number 8 in the UK, DSB at #6 on the singles chart but the band itself was no where to be found. Perry stepped in and re-branded himself as part of Journey during that time.
If the guy stayed in his shell, his name wouldn't still be out there today. Perry saw that opportunity was knocking and took advantage of it to the benefit of all of Journey, past and present.

[Yoda]

When did "haters" become the in word to use? That term is about as gay as that old pinhead favorite, "Peace!".

There are too many people who post on here just to be negative about Journey...so that term fits. If I hated something as much as some folks hate Journey on here I would find something better to do. I just don't get it.

I don't believe it's "haters" (I agree Don, pretty gay word) on here wanting to be negative about Journey. There are just Journey fans who are disgruntled about the current incarnation, and they have every right to voice their opinions just like you do. There should be a balance of positive and negative, and I think both opinions should be respected.

Being critical of different aspects of the band is healthy...but why would someone come on here on a regular basis to dump on anything and everything they've done post-Perry? I don't get it. Worse, is the lies and spin about how they aren't successful or only playing GH...etc. I also accept that someone would prefer one incarnation over another - but I find it hysterical when people think the band was more successful or creative during the Augeri era than now. I like both, but this era is far more successful.

At the same time, I don't get bitching about people who wish to voice their opinions, as negative as they may be, toward the current incarnation of Journey. This is an unofficial Journey board that is open for all opinions, no matter how negative, or cheerleaderish those opinions may be. And quite frankly, if every thread is peachy, lovey dubby, Journey can do no wrong, then probably about 90% of the board's members would cease from posting. The negative stuff is as much a part of Journey, unfortunate as it may be, as the positive stuff. And, I have to say, threads about Tapegate and some of the behind the scenes stuff is quite an interesting read. I don't come here to bow down at Journey's alter, I come here to gather information about the band, whether positive or negative...because I'm a fan.

Secondly, success is in the eyes of the beholder, apparently. I would have to respectfully disagree that this era is far more successful than the Augeri era. Honestly, not much of Journey, Post-Perry has been very successful without the help of the classic stuff. That's just an unfortunate fact. Doesn't mean the stuff has sucked....I think Journey has put out some darn good material over the last several years. But, there's just a lot of fans who liked Augeri much more than Pineda. Just like fans who liked Perry much more than anybody else who has sang in the band. My point is, don't be a bitch and be so overly offended because people don't share the same enthusiasm as you about the current era. That's what makes this place so great...there's diversity.

You must have difficulty reading because I clearly said being critical of the band is healthy. Thinking it was a mistake to continue without Perry on the other hand, while a fair opinion, leads me puzzled as why someone would harp on it for 15 years on a weekly or even daily basis.

Offended? No Confused and annoyed? Yes

Back Talk went downhill fast and is nothing that I want to recreate. At the same time, new material and touring is all most of us wanted in the mid 90's and we've gotten a steady dose of it so the constant negativity does annoy me. Whether or not you like the material is strictly ones opinion, but plenty of us love it and even more respect that they still are creating. Not playing enough of it because they do too many 3 band tours is a whole 'nother story and one that I'm not happy about. Then again, to suggest they only play the same songs every show is not true either. Within a given tour it gets too stale, but from tour to tour they do mix it up relatively well. Not well enough for my liking, but I understand who their target audience is too...and its not just about money but also not wanting to bore the crowd or be the worst band of the 3 to the majority of the fans.

I wasn't trying to insult you, (don't think the "difficulty in reading" bit was necessary at all) you just seem kind of defensive when it comes to negative stuff about the band. It's OK to be passionate, but there's a lot of Journey fans, ones who still strongly support this incarnation of the band today, that will agree that most of whatever success the band has had in recent years has come from the greatest hits. I mean, the numbers kind of back that up. I'm also just stating that it isn't a lie (like you said) that Journey plays, at least mostly, the greatest hits in concert....most have stated this is what's happening...especially with these triple bill tours. Heck, I know, I was present at one of their concerts. Personally I'd agree that if this version of Journey truly wanted to support their new stuff, post Perry, post Augeri, the majority of their concerts should revolve around Revelation and Eclipse songs with maybe a few classics thrown in. The only way to truly say that this band and its current material is more successful than the Augeri era is to support it. Personally, I haven't seen where the band has really done this any more than they have during the Augeri years.

Finally, I never said I didn't like the material Journey has put out in recent years. Kind of sounds like you're wanting to pick a fight. Cool your engines dude. My whole point is, I think it's welcoming to have different opinions, no matter how much it might annoy one. If it bothers you that badly, stay away from the negativity. I've pretty much enjoyed the tapegate thread, because it IS a part of Journey history.

[Eric]

I wasn't trying to insult you, (don't think the "difficulty in reading" bit was necessary at all) you just seem kind of defensive when it comes to negative stuff about the band.

Finally, I never said I didn't like the material Journey has put out in recent years. Kind of sounds like you're wanting to pick a fight. Cool your engines dude. My whole point is, I think it's welcoming to have different opinions, no matter how much it might annoy one. If it bothers you that badly, stay away from the negativity. I've pretty much enjoyed the tapegate thread, because it IS a part of Journey history.

You called me a bitch...I'd say my comments are much less aggressive.