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Postby slucero » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:32 am

annie89509 wrote:
tater1977 wrote:CMT put the video back up...

http://www.cmt.com/videos/cmt-crossroad ... sode.jhtml

Too preoccupied with following the run-up of my 9ers at the SB, so didn't seek their performance out on TV. Just now watched this show.

Honestly, I didn't think it was that bad (much better than their SB gig several years back). The live crowd sure seemed to enjoy themselves. I think it's too easy to be armchair critics.

AP strained here and there...but was trying his best...a little overwhelming for him, I think..."playing with the Big Boys" as he would say (lol)... looks good in his new 'do.


after 5 years Arnel should be over being overwhelmed..

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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:57 am

slucero wrote:
annie89509 wrote:...but was trying his best...a little overwhelming for him, I think..."playing with the Big Boys" as he would say (lol)... looks good in his new 'do.


after 5 years Arnel should be over being overwhelmed..


And here is why this lineup will never advance beyond the safety of what they are doing now -- when it's acceptable for the lead singer to still be awed by the "big boys," and people get excited about his haircut.
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Postby G.I.Jim » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:56 am

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How dare you go against the grain. Their end-of-Journey predictions have been as accurate as the end-of-the-world predictions. It must suck to be so negative. I see the flaws, but I saw two bands having a good time and sounding pretty good to me, and I'm so happy that my band is still around not only playing concerts but creating new music every few years.

My son and I are looking forward to a great show tonight in Sioux City, flaws and all.


Every time someone says they are done they seem to just get bigger....


Maybe I should start yelling at my penis and tell it "YOU'RE DONE!!!". :lol: :lol: :shock:
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Postby Gideon » Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:12 am

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kmjrr wrote:
How dare you go against the grain. Their end-of-Journey predictions have been as accurate as the end-of-the-world predictions. It must suck to be so negative. I see the flaws, but I saw two bands having a good time and sounding pretty good to me, and I'm so happy that my band is still around not only playing concerts but creating new music every few years.

My son and I are looking forward to a great show tonight in Sioux City, flaws and all.


Every time someone says they are done they seem to just get bigger....


Maybe I should start yelling at my penis and tell it "YOU'RE DONE!!!". :lol: :lol: :shock:


you're married.... I think it knows already.... :twisted: :lol:
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Postby G.I.Jim » Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:33 am

Gideon wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
Eric wrote:
kmjrr wrote:
How dare you go against the grain. Their end-of-Journey predictions have been as accurate as the end-of-the-world predictions. It must suck to be so negative. I see the flaws, but I saw two bands having a good time and sounding pretty good to me, and I'm so happy that my band is still around not only playing concerts but creating new music every few years.

My son and I are looking forward to a great show tonight in Sioux City, flaws and all.


Every time someone says they are done they seem to just get bigger....


Maybe I should start yelling at my penis and tell it "YOU'RE DONE!!!". :lol: :lol: :shock:


you're married.... I think it knows already.... :twisted: :lol:



:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Infinity Vocalist 2010 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:51 am

Well, I've just watched it. Overall not something to write home about. Separate Ways was... angering, and Arnel struggled quite a bit. Wheel in the Sky was probably the best. DSB was sinful. Arnel struggled again. Hitting those high "niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight"s. Though the second time, he hit it a little better, almost sounded good. Overall I was disgusted with myself for thinking that Gary sounded better on the Journey tunes (not saying he has a knack but he can hit all the right notes easily).
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Postby brywool » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:39 am

The Rascal Flatts singer has absolutely the thinnest tone I've ever heard from a lead singer. I don't dig his tone at all. He's got great range, but man his tone is just void of any bottom overtones. For me, "Separate Ways" was probably the worst and Arnel's diction in the "Caught between confusion and pain" section really could use a tune up. I also heard some stuff on "Faithfully" and "DSB". Not sure why that's a factor for him. Might just be vowel modification and it might be intended to make the tune easier to sing (as vowel modification can do) but I can see where that'd drive people nuts. The RF guy also had weird pronunciation during "Faithfully". Kind of the opposite of Arnel's issue. Arnel kind of sounded like he was holding his vowels back and darkening all of them, while the RF guy kind of over sang the vowels and made them too... annunciated. Kind of like early Dennis DeYoung but more annoying. But I don't think the whole performance was 'horrible'. I've heard much worse out of newer, younger, and more regaled bands live. I do think he sang the RF songs better than the RF guy, but then again, I don't know those songs, but he sounded great on them to me. Arnel's tone is so much better than the other guys. Nice full tone and I didn't hear any kind of diction issues on those songs. He also didn't darken his vowels on those tunes. Wonder why he does that. Might just be a stylistic thing. I think that their harmonies on the RF songs were also cool. Does anyone else hear AutoTune on the RF singer's mic? Not sure, but sure sounds like it through headphones. I don't hear it on APs mic. One other thing, live singing is what it is.

Even Perry said "Singing live means never having to say you're sorry". He's right. Perry, while a singing God, had his share of funky performances too and don't even get me going on Augeri. It happens. It's live. It's singing. Not like a guitarist that can plug in and go and not have to worry about what kind of physical shape he's in. Singers are subject to weather, stress, emotion, etc. This had to be a fairly nerve-wracking (stressful) performance for them as well. Pineda definitely sounded better than Jon Bon Jovi did on his episode (speaking of thin singers), but yeah, the diction stuff was distracting here for sure. I still think Pineda's one of the finest rock singers on the planet, but that's something that should be tweaked. Easy to do for sure. The odd thing is, he doesn't have those issues with anything else he sings. Why does he have it with the Journey stuff? I still think he's killer though. I didn't notice any pitch issues here, just the diction stuff which I usually don't notice as much as here. By the way, the violin solo in "Wheel in the Sky" was genius. WAY cool.
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Postby jrny84 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:01 am

brywool wrote:The odd thing is, he doesn't have those issues with anything else he sings. Why does he have it with the Journey stuff? I still think he's killer though. I didn't notice any pitch issues here, just the diction stuff which I usually don't notice as much as here. By the way, the violin solo in "Wheel in the Sky" was genius. WAY cool.


The diction problem Arnel has drives my crazy. Some songs he sounds pretty good, but others his diction is pretty bad. He needs to work on that part of his performance. I noticed when he sings "Faithfully", he says "Faitfully", instead LOL.
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Postby brywool » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:17 am

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brywool wrote:The odd thing is, he doesn't have those issues with anything else he sings. Why does he have it with the Journey stuff? I still think he's killer though. I didn't notice any pitch issues here, just the diction stuff which I usually don't notice as much as here. By the way, the violin solo in "Wheel in the Sky" was genius. WAY cool.


The diction problem Arnel has drives my crazy. Some songs he sounds pretty good, but others his diction is pretty bad. He needs to work on that part of his performance. I noticed when he sings "Faithfully", he says "Faitfully", instead LOL.


well, "driving you crazy" seems a bit extreme ;)

I think a lot of people blow this stuff so out of proportion, especially with what's come before (Tapes, etc.). The dude goes out there every night and does a hell of a job.
When he was in Seattle and he sang "Faithfully", he sang the absolute crap out of it. It wasn't a Steve Perry impersonation, etc. as so many people throw at him. It was a really emotional deal and man, he just sang it so well. Best song of the night. Like I said, I don't notice the diction stuff on anything but the Journey tunes in the Crossroads thing, which is really odd. Just for the helluvit, I looked up the "Faithfully" Chile clip from his first gig with Journey. He didn't do that diction stuff there on that tune. He also stuck more to the original phrasing. As time goes on, the singer owns a bit more of the song and puts his spin on it. I don't mind his phrasing as much as the way his vowels are coming across. It's not enough to make me diss the guy, but it is distracting and it makes me wonder why. If it was everything he was singing, I'd go "oh, its his accent". It's clearly not. It may make these high songs easier to navigate, but range doesn't seem to be an issue for him.

The RF tune with the "Fast cars" line it (don't know the name, sorry) would be a great single with both bands singing on it. It's a great performance and a Good tune.
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Postby tater1977 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:33 am

brywool wrote:
jrny84 wrote:
brywool wrote:The odd thing is, he doesn't have those issues with anything else he sings. Why does he have it with the Journey stuff? I still think he's killer though. I didn't notice any pitch issues here, just the diction stuff which I usually don't notice as much as here. By the way, the violin solo in "Wheel in the Sky" was genius. WAY cool.


The diction problem Arnel has drives my crazy. Some songs he sounds pretty good, but others his diction is pretty bad. He needs to work on that part of his performance. I noticed when he sings "Faithfully", he says "Faitfully", instead LOL.


well, "driving you crazy" seems a bit extreme ;)

I think a lot of people blow this stuff so out of proportion, especially with what's come before (Tapes, etc.). The dude goes out there every night and does a hell of a job.
When he was in Seattle and he sang "Faithfully", he sang the absolute crap out of it. It wasn't a Steve Perry impersonation, etc. as so many people throw at him. It was a really emotional deal and man, he just sang it so well. Best song of the night. Like I said, I don't notice the diction stuff on anything but the Journey tunes in the Crossroads thing, which is really odd. Just for the helluvit, I looked up the "Faithfully" Chile clip from his first gig with Journey. He didn't do that diction stuff there on that tune. He also stuck more to the original phrasing. As time goes on, the singer owns a bit more of the song and puts his spin on it. I don't mind his phrasing as much as the way his vowels are coming across. It's not enough to make me diss the guy, but it is distracting and it makes me wonder why. If it was everything he was singing, I'd go "oh, its his accent". It's clearly not. It may make these high songs easier to navigate, but range doesn't seem to be an issue for him.

The RF tune with the "Fast cars" line it (don't know the name, sorry) would be a great single with both bands singing on it. It's a great performance and a Good tune.


RF - Fast Cars & Freedom

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They've got a few good songs..but this one is my fav of theirs...
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:37 pm

brywool wrote:I think a lot of people blow this stuff so out of proportion, especially with what's come before (Tapes, etc.). The dude goes out there every night and does a hell of a job.


Agreed. Even alot of the Perry boots (from Escape onwards) are very sloppy. Nobody says a word about that.
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:19 pm

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brywool wrote:I think a lot of people blow this stuff so out of proportion, especially with what's come before (Tapes, etc.). The dude goes out there every night and does a hell of a job.


Agreed. Even alot of the Perry boots (from Escape onwards) are very sloppy. Nobody says a word about that.


I was just thinking back to how recent Trial By Fire seems to be, then I realized that Deen Has been in Journey for 15 years. These guys have covered a lot of ground since the break up. We now have a band that has outlived Perry for more time than Perry was actually with the band! Steve left an indelible mark in music history. What these guys have done since, and continue to do, is against all odds. If people, in general, held the changes against them, there would be no Journey concerts today, yet they are embraced as an American institution. Rightfully so!
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Postby slucero » Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:41 pm

steveo777 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
brywool wrote:I think a lot of people blow this stuff so out of proportion, especially with what's come before (Tapes, etc.). The dude goes out there every night and does a hell of a job.


Agreed. Even alot of the Perry boots (from Escape onwards) are very sloppy. Nobody says a word about that.


I was just thinking back to how recent Trial By Fire seems to be, then I realized that Deen Has been in Journey for 15 years. These guys have covered a lot of ground since the break up. We now have a band that has outlived Perry for more time than Perry was actually with the band! Steve left an indelible mark in music history. What these guys have done since, and continue to do, is against all odds. If people, in general, held the changes against them, there would be no Journey concerts today, yet they are embraced as an American institution. Rightfully so!



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Postby steveo777 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:18 pm

slucero wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
brywool wrote:I think a lot of people blow this stuff so out of proportion, especially with what's come before (Tapes, etc.). The dude goes out there every night and does a hell of a job.


Agreed. Even alot of the Perry boots (from Escape onwards) are very sloppy. Nobody says a word about that.


I was just thinking back to how recent Trial By Fire seems to be, then I realized that Deen Has been in Journey for 15 years. These guys have covered a lot of ground since the break up. We now have a band that has outlived Perry for more time than Perry was actually with the band! Steve left an indelible mark in music history. What these guys have done since, and continue to do, is against all odds. If people, in general, held the changes against them, there would be no Journey concerts today, yet they are embraced as an American institution. Rightfully so!



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Postby steveo777 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:26 am

Seems they've cleaned this way up. It's almost decent now. :)

http://www.cmt.com/videos/cmt-crossroad ... sode.jhtml
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Postby annie89509 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:51 pm

steveo777 wrote:Seems they've cleaned this way up. It's almost decent now. :)

http://www.cmt.com/videos/cmt-crossroad ... sode.jhtml

So, they "polished" this up for the people who are just seeing/listening to the performance for the 1st time on the website?
That explains the general negativity from all the earlier posters when they are watching the original broadcast in real time, then :o .
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Postby steveo777 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:36 pm

annie89509 wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Seems they've cleaned this way up. It's almost decent now. :)

http://www.cmt.com/videos/cmt-crossroad ... sode.jhtml

So, they "polished" this up for the people who are just seeing/listening to the performance for the 1st time on the website?
That explains the general negativity from all the earlier posters when they are watching the original broadcast in real time, then :o .


People can't handle real, live broadcasts anymore. We live in an entitlement society, where all must be perfect at the outset, and if not, they'll cut off your head. LOL :lol: :lol:
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