Neal VS Jon

[marco17]

Agreed, I think those using their distain for Trump as a reason to get even more bent out of shape at Cain is ludicrous. He's playing it a a private event, and how many would care if Neal was playing a J tune for a liberal politician?

Same if that politician was an election denying, grifting, crooked, SOB...with supporters who are all just as corrupt.

Well... I agree on that... I can't stand the guy either.

[Monker]

Schon floats Rolie for 2023 tour:

https://twitter.com/NealSchonMusic/stat ... bL-6gsAAAA

Sure glad Neal is taking the advice of his lawyers and not saying anything in public, like he said.

I don't think this has anything to do with the Cain feud. He has been wanting Rolie to join the band for the 50th for quite some time. And as fans we should want this to happen, too.

It is so obvious that Neal has already talked to Gregg about this, and either received no reply or turned him down. This is nothing but trying to put public pressure on Gregg to do it...Neal did these same games with Perry. Gregg seems like a smart guy and is going to stay far, far away from this titanic as it crashes.

[Eric]

It is so obvious that Neal has already talked to Gregg about this, and either received no reply or turned him down. This is nothing but trying to put public pressure on Gregg to do it...Neal did these same games with Perry. Gregg seems like a smart guy and is going to stay far, far away from this titanic as it crashes.

I don't know if he will or won't join Journey for any shows, but he and Schon do interact on social media...

[JourneyHard]

Journey will go on with Neal and Jon. They occupy the farthest points on the stage. So, they can still tour. But Perry was the best at this. Perry used to interact with Neal back in the 1980's when they both probably hated each other. They can pretend to like each other during the concert.

I don't think Gregg is coming back. I think Neal is just using Gregg to get under Jon's skin. I didn't know they had such a feud going on. It makes me think of when Neal mentions that he wrote Lights about San Francisco, Neal isn't saying that to get Perry angry. Neal is saying it to get Jon pissed. Neal is really saying that he wrote hit songs with Journey long before Jon was part of the band. I didn't realize this until now. When you realize the feud between Neal and Jon, this all makes sense now.

But they will stick it out. The money is too good from touring.

[Gideon]

https://youtu.be/OumEi8G9jsw

[Monker]

https://youtu.be/OumEi8G9jsw

That was interesting. Jon and Paula stayed pretty calm and cool about being confronted like that.

[Andrew]

https://youtu.be/OumEi8G9jsw

It won’t affect chemistry because there is none. Not between JC and the rest of the band.

[Gideon]

https://youtu.be/OumEi8G9jsw

That was interesting. Jon and Paula stayed pretty calm and cool about being confronted like that.

Yeah Jon's wife sucks and their political views suck even more, but he understands poise in a way Neal doesn't.

[Gideon]

https://youtu.be/OumEi8G9jsw

It won’t affect chemistry because there is none. Not between JC and the rest of the band.

Yeah, hard to have chemistry when Jon and Neal are on opposite sides of the stage and never interact with one another.

It's so sad because I remember in 2008, watching them literally go back-to-back during the end guitar solo of Keep On Runnin', the way they used to in the 80s.

I was born in 1991, so much of my Journey experience was predicated on the partnership between Neal and Jon, even moreso than the partnerships between Neal and Steve and Steve and Jon.

The fact that their career is twilighting in such an awkward, stupid way is shameful. I'll probably never see them live again because what's the point? Yeah they're still talented musicians and I love the music but if there's no interaction or engagement in a live show, I'll just listen to the CDs or see a tribute band, which is much cheaper.

Also, Andrew, as much as Jon annoys us, do you have any thoughts on Neal using Journey's social media pages as his secondary personal accounts in which he incessantly shares shit about himself and his wife? He's such a fucking narcissist.

[Journey/Survivor]

I remember Neal saying in an interview many years back, probably in the late 80s early 90s time period that he and Jonathan were like brothers in every way. That Jonathan's birthday is February 26th, Neal's is February 27th and they share so many of the same interests. If I recall correctly, I think that Neal also said that they'd be the best of friends even after they would be retired as musicians.

I seriously still do not rule out the possibility that a lot of the "problems" between Neal and Jonathan are a publicity stunt. Which if that's the case, it's pathetic!

[FishinMagician]

https://youtu.be/OumEi8G9jsw

It won’t affect chemistry because there is none. Not between JC and the rest of the band.

Yeah, hard to have chemistry when Jon and Neal are on opposite sides of the stage and never interact with one another.

John doesn't even back Neal's guitar segues or solos between songs anymore. Neal just uses a looper pedal and plays over it

[FamilyMan]

I remember Neal saying in an interview many years back, probably in the late 80s early 90s time period that he and Jonathan were like brothers in every way. That Jonathan's birthday is February 26th, Neal's is February 27th and they share so many of the same interests. If I recall correctly, I think that Neal also said that they'd be the best of friends even after they would be retired as musicians.

I seriously still do not rule out the possibility that a lot of the "problems" between Neal and Jonathan are a publicity stunt. Which if that's the case, it's pathetic!

This is not true.

[Andrew]

I seriously still do not rule out the possibility that a lot of the "problems" between Neal and Jonathan are a publicity stunt.

Absolutely not.

[Gideon]

Andrew, thoughts?

Also, Andrew, as much as Jon annoys us, do you have any thoughts on Neal using Journey's social media pages as his secondary personal accounts in which he incessantly shares shit about himself and his wife? He's such a fucking narcissist.

[Andrew]

Andrew, thoughts?

Also, Andrew, as much as Jon annoys us, do you have any thoughts on Neal using Journey's social media pages as his secondary personal accounts in which he incessantly shares shit about himself and his wife? He's such a fucking narcissist.

I haven't seen that...I see Journey related stuff, but not much else.

[Sighlence]

Damn....this place is a liberal cesspool the likes of DU. You a member there Andrew?

[Andrew]

Damn....this place is a liberal cesspool the likes of DU. You a member there Andrew?

Funny. No idea what you're talking about.

[Archetype]

I remember Neal saying in an interview many years back, probably in the late 80s early 90s time period that he and Jonathan were like brothers in every way. That Jonathan's birthday is February 26th, Neal's is February 27th and they share so many of the same interests. If I recall correctly, I think that Neal also said that they'd be the best of friends even after they would be retired as musicians.

I seriously still do not rule out the possibility that a lot of the "problems" between Neal and Jonathan are a publicity stunt. Which if that's the case, it's pathetic!

Neal just sicced his lawyers on Jon for singing Don’t Stop Believing at Mar A Lago. Doesn’t seem like a publicity stunt.

[ebake02]

I remember Neal saying in an interview many years back, probably in the late 80s early 90s time period that he and Jonathan were like brothers in every way. That Jonathan's birthday is February 26th, Neal's is February 27th and they share so many of the same interests. If I recall correctly, I think that Neal also said that they'd be the best of friends even after they would be retired as musicians.

I seriously still do not rule out the possibility that a lot of the "problems" between Neal and Jonathan are a publicity stunt. Which if that's the case, it's pathetic!

Neal just sicced his lawyers on Jon for singing Don’t Stop Believing at Mar A Lago. Doesn’t seem like a publicity stunt.

I’m with Neal 100% on this, Jon is entitled to own private political beliefs but he has no business singing Journey’s music at those functions.

[danielb]

Schon has clearly lost it.

If anything hurts the brand it's this back and forth...

[Archetype]

I remember Neal saying in an interview many years back, probably in the late 80s early 90s time period that he and Jonathan were like brothers in every way. That Jonathan's birthday is February 26th, Neal's is February 27th and they share so many of the same interests. If I recall correctly, I think that Neal also said that they'd be the best of friends even after they would be retired as musicians.

I seriously still do not rule out the possibility that a lot of the "problems" between Neal and Jonathan are a publicity stunt. Which if that's the case, it's pathetic!

Neal just sicced his lawyers on Jon for singing Don’t Stop Believing at Mar A Lago. Doesn’t seem like a publicity stunt.

I’m with Neal 100% on this, Jon is entitled to own private political beliefs but he has no business singing Journey’s music at those functions.

Nah, Neal is acting pretty unhinged about this. Jonathan didn’t present himself as Journey or otherwise raise a Journey banner in any way when he sat at a keyboard at a Christmas party and facilitated a singalong session. What Jonathan did hurt absolutely nothing. What Neal’s doing is solidifying Journey’s reputation as a corporate rock band comprised of businessmen who hate each other.

[Monker]

I remember Neal saying in an interview many years back, probably in the late 80s early 90s time period that he and Jonathan were like brothers in every way. That Jonathan's birthday is February 26th, Neal's is February 27th and they share so many of the same interests. If I recall correctly, I think that Neal also said that they'd be the best of friends even after they would be retired as musicians.

I seriously still do not rule out the possibility that a lot of the "problems" between Neal and Jonathan are a publicity stunt. Which if that's the case, it's pathetic!

Neal just sicced his lawyers on Jon for singing Don’t Stop Believing at Mar A Lago. Doesn’t seem like a publicity stunt.

I’m with Neal 100% on this, Jon is entitled to own private political beliefs but he has no business singing Journey’s music at those functions.

There is nothing Neal can do about it but whine like a little baby. Jonathan can perform any song he wants live. He can perform "Oh, Sherrie", and Steve Perry can't do anything. He can perform Schon's "No More LIes" and there is nothing Neal can do about it. He can send all the lawyers he wants - the law is very clear on this!

IMO, Jon KNOWS this drives Neal crazy and he KNOWS there is nothing he can do about it. It's a "fuck you" to Neal, he doesn't control Jonathan. And, IMO, Jonathan just doesn't care because if he is going to leave the band...Neal is going to have to negotiate him out - and pay him. It's not going to be like Smith/Valory. Because Jon is part of the Freedom LLC, it's going to be like Perry leaving and negotiating him out of Elmo.

[JourneyHard]

Dennis DeYoung wants to be in Styx. Lou Gramm wants to be in Foreigner. Steve Perry does NOT want to be in Journey. All this crap Neal is doing is showing why. Perry is sitting at home and probably laughing at all this and he is glad he is not part of it.

[danielb]

Schon continues blasting Cain and calls Paula Cain a "christofascist". This is getting nasty:

https://blabbermouth.net/news/journeys- ... athan-cain

[The_Noble_Cause]

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I guess the warning light was flashing already with the Resonate video...

Bingo. There's been an attempted hijacking of the band - but it wasn't Ross and Smitty.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Steve is not suing anyone Monker. Its a petition only.

....which is typically the first step in a lawsuit. So......

[The_Noble_Cause]

Doesn’t seem like a publicity stunt.

Considering that it will be laughed out of court, (similar to other recent Neal lawsuits - see Live Nation security), it is very much a publicity stunt.

Neal's self-destructive irrationality, however, is very much a real thing.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Also, Andrew, as much as Jon annoys us, do you have any thoughts on Neal using Journey's social media pages as his secondary personal accounts in which he incessantly shares shit about himself and his wife? He's such a fucking narcissist.

Had to stop following. It's content you would expect from a Kardashian bimbo twit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

With Herbie gone, I reached out to Joel Selvin. Joel, a San Fran based reporter/music historian, has been interviewed on VH1-BTM and other Journey features. His take?

"These two fools deserve each other."

I think that about sums it up.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Cain returns fire and it's another TKO.

Glad he called out Neal's failed lawsuits, bizarre behavior, and shitty treatment of fans. Everybody can see it.

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/jonatha ... -response/

"Neal Schon should look in the mirror when he accuses me of causing harm to the Journey brand. I have watched him damage our brand for years and am a victim of both his —and his wife's — bizarre behavior. Neal sued Live Nation twice, losing both times, and damaging our ability to ever work with them again; Neal outrageously tried to take away trademarks from Steve Perry; Neal and his wife continually insult the professionalism of numerous accountants, road managers, and management firms with endless legal threats and their bullying, toxic, and incoherent emails; Neal argues online with fans who don't see eye to eye with him; and Neal and his wife recklessly spend Journey's money until there is none left for operating costs. If anyone is destroying the Journey brand, it is Neal — and Neal alone."