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Re: The ONE agonizing question that Steve Perry never answer

Postby LAWoman » Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:18 pm

Distant Voice wrote:











"You have zero credibility at this point"...


I'm so glad you think so, but coming from a 3rd rate public defender I guess it makes no difference what you, or anyone on this discussion board thinks of me.

I planned on having some adult conversation with you guys, but a few "Very Impatient" people had to shoot their mouths because they couldn't wait!...

GET A LIFE PEOPLE !!


Oh, come on, DV, you can't even get your accusations about me correct. It's painfully obvious that your feelings are hurt because people have stopped falling for your "I know something you don't know" line. What you want is for people to believe that you know some inside info. We went through this on several topics before and when it comes down to it, you know nothing that is not public info. So, conveniently you have decided people were not "worthy". Now you can take your imaginary toys and go home--I know I am just absolutely crushed.
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Re: The ONE agonizing question that Steve Perry never answer

Postby Argus » Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:02 pm

Distant Voice wrote:
LAWoman wrote:
Distant Voice wrote:
perryfaithful wrote:
Distant Voice wrote:[I can shed some light on the (soap-opera era) between the band and Steve Perry...



Well, what the HELL are you waiting for??




Perry-unfaithful:

I don't come here on a daily basis so don't ever expect a quick answer from anything I say, however you need to get off the couch, stop eating pizza pockets, stop watching Regis, Oprah and ET, and "GET A LIFE"...most of you are missing out on the beauty of life itself by logging on here every three to four hours...

I have monitored many post in my 1-year here, and it's sad to see so many of you making this your life... I dare you to go out and smell a rose, take a deep look at it, and try and wonder how it flourished with no help other than itself and some water... don't make this a help center for the lonely, GO OUT AND LIVE LIFE !!!...

I log on for one purpose only, and thats to see how the name Journey has been treated, I have to say i'm not pleased with the way things have went over the past 6-7 years, but I can't help myself clearing-up any wrong-doing to the name Journey... I somehow can't let go of the legacy !


I'm not sure why you felt the need to pop in and say you could shed the light on something and then, instead of actually saying anything about the situation, you criticize people who are asking you to just do what you claimed you could do. I'm sorry, DV, but you have a pattern of doing this--and being quite condescending while you are doing it. You seem to just want everyone to believe you know something or have some inside info, but you never deliver. Anyone who is close enough to know anything that is not already public info about Perry/Journey and their split would not be posting it on the internet. You have zero credibility at this point.







"You have zero credibility at this point"...


I'm so glad you think so, but coming from a 3rd rate public defender I guess it makes no difference what you or anyone on this discussion board thinks of me.

I planned on having an adult conversation with you guys, but a few "Very Impatient" people had to shoot their mouths because they couldn't wait!...

GET A LIFE PEOPLE !!


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Re: The ONE agonizing question that Steve Perry never answer

Postby perryfaithful » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:01 pm

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OH MAN...where did you get the popcorn? Share please.......
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Postby stevefan » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:26 pm

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First off, stevefan, I don't believe anything I hear on ET (usually a hyped up bunch of trash, and I don't watch), and second I don't think anything coming out of Canada means anything to me.

Too bad, cause ET had a segment when he did the video for "Missing You"..and at the closing said he had to cancel the rest of the tour due to broncitis. It was an interesting interview too, I have it on tape! And the interview in Canada is right before he got sick...so it may mean something. or not.

he CARED about his fans.
Yes, he did and still does...that's not debatable...I agree 100%

Sorry I didn't need to be there because I am pretty sure in some interview Steve said the record company let him do his FTLOSM record if he promised to go back and do another Journey album.

WOW, you got that interview somewhere? I'd love to see it! I'm not being difficult, but if you find it, I'd love to read it!
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Postby ClassicJrnyPlease » Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:09 am

stevefan wrote:
Too bad, cause ET had a segment when he did the video for "Missing You"..and at the closing said he had to cancel the rest of the tour due to broncitis. It was an interesting interview too, I have it on tape! And the interview in Canada is right before he got sick...so it may mean something. or not.



So I missed the interview...so sue me. I have a life, and can't catch everything on TV. I did, however, get 4th row SPIN tickets for his live concert and that was better than a television interview any day.


stevefan wrote: WOW, you got that interview somewhere? I'd love to see it! I'm not being difficult, but if you find it, I'd love to read it!



I didn't say I had an interview. I am pretty sure that I heard either Steve or John Kalodner or somebody say that Steve agreed to do another Journey album because he really wanted to do another SOLO album!

If I find where it was I will bring it here. Will that suit you? Get a grip! Why are we arguing about this anyway? :roll:

I know about the bronchitis. :( It was in the newspaper. I do know how to read.
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Postby Bamamutt » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:10 am

:roll: ....Where's the love?..Boy this thread has really become volatal...
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Postby ClassicJrnyPlease » Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:47 am

Bamamutt wrote::roll: ....Where's the love?..Boy this thread has really become volatal...


Volatile? Who, Bama? :?
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Re: The ONE agonizing question that Steve Perry never answer

Postby Argus » Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:05 pm

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Postby Argus » Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:07 pm

Bamamutt wrote::roll: ....Where's the love?..Boy this thread has really become volatal...


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Re: The ONE agonizing question that Steve Perry never answer

Postby Bamamutt » Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:00 pm

ace wrote:
perryfaithful wrote:Image
OH MAN...where did you get the popcorn? Share please.......


Image :wink:



Ace..Ya got anymore popcorn?.. :wink:
I have the munches and love popcorn...Fixing to watch the Journey DVD... :)
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Re: The ONE agonizing question that Steve Perry never answer

Postby perryfaithful » Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:29 pm

ace wrote:
perryfaithful wrote:Image
OH MAN...where did you get the popcorn? Share please.......


Image :wink:


thanks ace! :lol:
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Postby sexxymofo » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:38 am

I just read the whole entire 5 pages and I would like to know
what DISTANT VOICE has to say please do tell!
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Postby jrnyman28 » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:31 am

Distant Voice has nothing to say. And has not said anything in a very long time. S/he was very good at "predictions" called "truth" that have never come true....
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Postby classicstyxfan » Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:55 am

we have someone just like that over on the Styx board.........
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Postby yak » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:19 am

jrnyman28 wrote:Distant Voice has nothing to say. And has not said anything in a very long time. S/he was very good at "predictions" called "truth" that have never come true....


Hmm....Sounds just like a description of Espee. :lol:
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Postby sexxymofo » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:15 am

Distant Voice, PLEASE do shed some light on what happened between
SP & Journey. Whatever it is you know might settle some bebates and hell maybe the fans can make amends :wink:
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Postby yak » Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:35 am

sexxy wrote:

Distant Voice, PLEASE do shed some light on what happened between SP & Journey. Whatever it is you know might settle some bebates and hell maybe the fans can make amends :wink:

Maybe DV is Perry himself. Or maybe sexxy knows more than she is letting on to. :shock:

Say, shouldn't this be in the Espee forum?
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Postby fred_journeyman » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:05 pm

aragelfstone wrote:I've thought his reasons were pretty well explained and understood. At least they were for me. He needed more time to decide what he was going to do about his health problems and the band wasn't willing to give him that time. They wanted a definite answer that he wasn't prepared to give them. They thought they could plug in another singer and ride the wave of the momentum of the success of TBF. He asked them not to muddy up the name and musical legacy of Journey by doing that. Neal thought(or should I say dreamt) he was as much the"star" of Journey as Steve therefore Steve could be replaced and the fans wouldn't care, so he did it anyway. BIG MISTAKE - HUGE MISTAKE . Even if I did accept Augeri as the legitimate frontman for Journey I would still only be a fan of the music of the Perry years because they just don't sound like the Journey I love.


Huh, you make some interesting points. :)

One thing that's always puzzled me is that Herbie has said on a number of occasions that there is nothing to suggest that Steve ever HAD hip surgery at all! I know that Herbie has his grudges, but you'd think Perry (or his lawyers) would come out with everything they have to stomp all over that! I mean, for goodness sake, the ONE and ONLY reason the TBF tour did NOT happen was because of Perry's hip problem. The band waited two years and still, Perry could not decide what to do. Apparently, he has implied that he HAS had the problem taken care of, yet Herbie disagrees...publically. What was really weird to me was that his lawyers did NOTHING when that infamous interview was posted on the 'Net and surely, had Herbie been lying or offering up slander, they would have jumped all over Herbie for that interview. Yet, it remained and I've never heard of Herbie receiving so much as any type of C & D because of it. Maybe there was more truth than many would care to admit.

I also DON'T think it's fair to say that Steve was the only star in the group. Without Cain, the ESCAPE album would not exist, period. While Journey had begun getting air time on radio stations with songs that were co-written by Schon (and Rolie), ESCAPE is what really put them on the charts. I'd have to say that Journey had THREE stars - Schon, Cain and Perry. Perry imbued (mostly) Cain's music with his energy, his feeling and his pathos, but had not Cain written much of ESCAPE to begin with, Perry wouldn't have been singing it.

To say that Steve Perry was the real and only star of Journey is not only patently false, but is a slap in the face to Cain and Schon. I mean, let's face it, as great as Perry was/is, he couldn't replicate the success he had with Journey when he went out on his own. Certainly that says something. In fact, it says quite a bit and tends to negate what you have stated...IMO.

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Postby jabber » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:00 pm

I always thought it was the electricity, friction if you will, between Perry, Schon, and Cain is what created the "magic." They might have even hated the sight of one another, but lock 'em in a room and alchemy happened. Maybe that's what it took back then... a concentrated effort to focus on music and leave personal issues on the other side of the door. Too bad whatever happened broke down the door and became the elephant in the room.

As far as Herbie's claims w/no repercussions, perhaps Perry doesn't care one way or another what he says. Or maybe he'd rather not let ANYthing get to him as he's enjoying being out of the spotlight now, so he ignores it. I believe he feels the same way about Journey... when a lot of people speak of Journey, they automatically think of Perry, regardless of what he's been doing for the last decade. His legacy is written, he doesn't need to shout it from the rooftops. He can mosey off and do whatever it is he wants to do. By all accounts, that's what he's been doing... living the quiet life away from the road and being an average joe. Maybe reliving past glories by doing stuff in the studio and such but he's even said how hard it was, emotionally, to do the live DVD. I think he just doesn't want the stress anymore and only does what he thinks he can handle.

Why he left... I didn't go back and read all the replies here, so forgive me if it's already been said. But maybe... though most of us would never want to believe it... maybe he just couldn't hack it anymore. The "hip thing" could have been a cover for "nervous breakdown." Or "rehab and therapy." Or "can't hit the same range and don't wanna admit it." Or he did have hip surgery... he made a comment about being a titanium boy now, something to that effect. I personally think, hip problem or not, he went through some major personal introspection around that time and decided he was better off mentally, emotionally, and physically by leaving.

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Postby fred_journeyman » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:34 pm

Jabberwocky wrote:I always thought it was the electricity, friction if you will, between Perry, Schon, and Cain is what created the "magic." They might have even hated the sight of one another, but lock 'em in a room and alchemy happened. Maybe that's what it took back then... a concentrated effort to focus on music and leave personal issues on the other side of the door. Too bad whatever happened broke down the door and became the elephant in the room.


Could very well be. I remember Schon commenting on a statement Perry made to him one day in the studio (he may have stated it during the BTM rockumentary) when he arrived at the studio a bit hung over and Perry said something like, "I can see I'm not going to get anything out of you today." Neal went in and gave the song the guitar solo it needed...first time. Obviously between those guys it was a real love/hate thing.

As far as Herbie's claims w/no repercussions, perhaps Perry doesn't care one way or another what he says. Or maybe he'd rather not let ANYthing get to him as he's enjoying being out of the spotlight now, so he ignores it.


Could be, but I'm not of that opinion at all.

I believe he feels the same way about Journey... when a lot of people speak of Journey, they automatically think of Perry, regardless of what he's been doing for the last decade. His legacy is written, he doesn't need to shout it from the rooftops. He can mosey off and do whatever it is he wants to do. By all accounts, that's what he's been doing... living the quiet life away from the road and being an average joe. Maybe reliving past glories by doing stuff in the studio and such but he's even said how hard it was, emotionally, to do the live DVD. I think he just doesn't want the stress anymore and only does what he thinks he can handle.


I would agree that he probably does not want the day-to-day stress of touring and meeting people's expectations.

Why he left... I didn't go back and read all the replies here, so forgive me if it's already been said. But maybe... though most of us would never want to believe it... maybe he just couldn't hack it anymore. The "hip thing" could have been a cover for "nervous breakdown." Or "rehab and therapy." Or "can't hit the same range and don't wanna admit it." Or he did have hip surgery... he made a comment about being a titanium boy now, something to that effect. I personally think, hip problem or not, he went through some major personal introspection around that time and decided he was better off mentally, emotionally, and physically by leaving.


I don't think it was a nervous breakdown. If he really had no hip problem, then he simply didn't want to tour. If he did have a hip problem, he probably still didn't to tour because it was over two years before the band went on without him that they waited and he showed no real sign of moving any closer to a decision. If it was me, I would have seen two or three of finest surgeons around and at the very least gone into physical therapy.

I was responding to the original poster who believes that the band's going on was a "HUGE mistake" to quote her and that Steve was the "star" of the show. The reality is that had the band waited for Steve, I believe they would still be waiting. While that's fine for some, I like much of the music that's been produced since Journey has reformed. Unfortunately, success is often measured in numbers rather than personal achievement. If we do that, then we need to apply the same measurement to Steve and his solo career.

Just like many independent movies never get seen by the vast majority of people who go the theaters, many are often very well done movies. Yet, if we look just at numbers, then those independent movie producers have not achieved any real "success." This really isn't the case though.

If Journey feels they are continuing to be successful, then that's all that matters. Likewise, if Steve Perry felt his solo career was successful, then that's all that matters. He would not have had any solo career had it not been for people like Neal Schon and Jon Cain who helped write material and provided a truly artistic musical backdrop that allowed Perry to truly soar as lead vocalist.
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:43 pm

If Journey feels they are continuing to be successful, then that's all that matters. Likewise, if Steve Perry felt his solo career was successful, then that's all that matters. He would not have had any solo career had it not been for people like Neal Schon and Jon Cain who helped write material and provided a truly artistic musical backdrop that allowed Perry to truly soar as lead vocalist.


Good point Fred, you could even take it further and say that if it weren't for Journey he would have given up on music and stayed back home cleaning chicken coops or whatever. Then we wouldn't know Steve Perry from Otto the garbageman.
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Postby Marabelle » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:52 pm

I think he was probably ready to get out of the chicken coop repair business when he was discovered and would have moved on into some other sort of home repair business possibly.

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Postby jabber » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:57 pm

I don't think it was a nervous breakdown. If he really had no hip problem, then he simply didn't want to tour. If he did have a hip problem, he probably still didn't to tour because it was over two years before the band went on without him that they waited and he showed no real sign of moving any closer to a decision. If it was me, I would have seen two or three of finest surgeons around and at the very least gone into physical therapy.


As I understand it, Perry did see specialists, and stated that he tried many other options because the necessary surgery was a major deal and he didn't want to do it unless he absolutely had to. I myself have a medical issue that has taken over three years to treat (with various treatments not working) and I'm just now getting results. I've had two surgeries, one of them major, and it was definitely a last resort. Not something I would jump right into in order to save my job.

Of course, maybe he really was on the fence that whole time. He could have been using the hip issue as a cop-out while he waffled on which way to go. *shrug* Truth is, none of us know. And if Perry isn't out refuting Herbie or making a fuss about it otherwise, odds are good we'll never know. At least not until one of the guys puts out a tell-all book... I'm betting on Cain for that one.
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Re: The ONE agonizing question that Steve Perry never answer

Postby McNeil » Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:14 pm

jrnyjetster wrote:....OR maybe no one has had the balls to cut to the chase and ask him POINT BLANK?! :?

Q: Why did you LEAVE Journey?

I've never read or heard a straight forward answer to that question from Mr. Perry, have any of you?

To me, it doesn't matter either way..he's left Journey and I've moved on with this band, BUT perhaps (just perhaps) it might provide some closure to the diehard Perry loyalists who still find it difficult to accept Journey with Steve Augeri.


Jesus... there are some that still dont accept it, 15 yrs after the event (or however goddam long it is!!) please "get a life" :?
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Postby Liam » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:20 pm

Why the hell was this topic brought back from the "dead"??????
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Postby fred_journeyman » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:57 am

Jabberwocky wrote:As I understand it, Perry did see specialists, and stated that he tried many other options because the necessary surgery was a major deal and he didn't want to do it unless he absolutely had to. I myself have a medical issue that has taken over three years to treat (with various treatments not working) and I'm just now getting results. I've had two surgeries, one of them major, and it was definitely a last resort. Not something I would jump right into in order to save my job.


You're right. When you're talking about major medical problems, you don't want to rush into them. However, I have come to understand that Perry never saw physicians who are/were considered to be THE BEST in their field.

Of course, maybe he really was on the fence that whole time. He could have been using the hip issue as a cop-out while he waffled on which way to go. *shrug* Truth is, none of us know. And if Perry isn't out refuting Herbie or making a fuss about it otherwise, odds are good we'll never know. At least not until one of the guys puts out a tell-all book... I'm betting on Cain for that one.


A book would be good. However, anyone who put out a book that included information on Perry would have to have their lawyer(s) go over ever word to ensure that not a single phrase could be construed as "slanderous" or "libelous." If that was the case, it probably wouldn't be much of a "tell all."

Until I'm proven wrong, I'm under the impression that Perry used the hip issue as an excuse to not tour, while at the same time fulfilling his obligation to Sony. If that's true, then he had absolutely no intention of returning to the band...ever.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:59 am

Marabelle wrote:I think he was probably ready to get out of the chicken coop repair business when he was discovered and would have moved on into some other sort of home repair business possibly.


Well, according to his mother, who originally spoke to Herbie on the phone, Perry had totally quit the music business because he had tried and tried and tried to gain access to it, but for one reason or another, hadn't been successful at it. While he might have been ready to get out of the "chicken coop," as up put it, it seems it would not have been to head into the music arena.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:01 am

Escape79 wrote:Why the hell was this topic brought back from the "dead"??????


That was me. I was viewing some of the threads that had been posted a while ago, and wanted to comment on some of the posts. Taking the time to involve myself in this thread was certainly more interesting than some of the other threads that were at the top of the first page. No one is forcing anyone to come in here and post. :D
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Postby jabber » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:57 am

A book would be good. However, anyone who put out a book that included information on Perry would have to have their lawyer(s) go over ever word to ensure that not a single phrase could be construed as "slanderous" or "libelous." If that was the case, it probably wouldn't be much of a "tell all."

This is unfortunately true. I doubt any of the Journey guys would go the route of releasing a book without approval, then waiting for the legal fallout, as so many people seem to do today. But somebody has to know something... maybe someone not under the possible threat of litigation. Or at least someone with big money behind them to either buy the big lawyers or arrange an out-of-court settlement... Sony exec, maybe?

Until I'm proven wrong, I'm under the impression that Perry used the hip issue as an excuse to not tour, while at the same time fulfilling his obligation to Sony. If that's true, then he had absolutely no intention of returning to the band...ever.

Hip or not, I don't believe he ever intended to return either. I'm sure whatever reason he had made sense to him at the time, even if it didn't to the other guys.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:13 am

Jabberwocky wrote:This is unfortunately true. I doubt any of the Journey guys would go the route of releasing a book without approval, then waiting for the legal fallout, as so many people seem to do today. But somebody has to know something... maybe someone not under the possible threat of litigation. Or at least someone with big money behind them to either buy the big lawyers or arrange an out-of-court settlement... Sony exec, maybe?


Not to mention the fact that there certainly is that "don't talk" problem that they apparently had to sign, in order to go on with the band.

Hip or not, I don't believe he ever intended to return either. I'm sure whatever reason he had made sense to him at the time, even if it didn't to the other guys.


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