MR

Hi there,

Please name your Journey's biggest mistake ever in their band's history?

In my opinion, Journey's biggest mistake was getting rid of Steve Smith & Ross Valory back in 1985/86.

Another big Journey mistake was not playing Live Aid in 1985. They should have been because most of the big acts were except Van Halen.

Welcome back Shawriff and Happy 40th later on in January 2005.

Journeytroll

Please don't let this topic head down the usual path....

Andrew wrote:Please don't let this topic head down the usual path....

LMFAO!!!!! Andrew you can sniff trouble when it's there!

JourneyTroll wrote:Hi there,

Please name your Journey's biggest mistake ever in their band's history?

In my opinion, Journey's biggest mistake was getting rid of Steve Smith & Ross Valory back in 1985/86.

Another big Journey mistake was not playing Live Aid in 1985. They should have been because most of the big acts were except Van Halen.

Welcome back Shawriff and Happy 40th later on in January 2005.

Journeytroll

Randy Jackson looked ridiculous with that band jacket and spandex...

Journey's biggest mistake was allowing Perry to wrestle control away from Herbie after Street Talk. That led to ROR and all the problems that followed.

JourneyTroll wrote:Hi there,

Please name your Journey's biggest mistake ever in their band's history?

In my opinion, Journey's biggest mistake was getting rid of Steve Smith & Ross Valory back in 1985/86.

Another big Journey mistake was not playing Live Aid in 1985. They should have been because most of the big acts were except Van Halen.

Welcome back Shawriff and Happy 40th later on in January 2005.

Journeytroll

I think breaking up in the late 80s / early 90s, and not making albums until they did their reunion album is their biggest mistake. It makes me think of all the Journey music we missed out on during those years.

Their biggest mistake was their photos on the back of the Departure album.

This is tough....but I'm not going to spin what I think:

I feel J's biggest mistake was not replacing Perry sooner if they really did have the feeling that he was uninterested. Perhaps they should have shaken the melodic rock world and replaced him in '84 when there were feelings that the J machine was coming apart. Replace him in '84 with Mickey Thomas, and J may have never gone away?

Their 2nd biggest mistake was worrying too much about picking a singer that could cover their hits live. Now....I love Augeri and still remain hopefull of a hit and will be a loyal supporter...but I just think in hindsight that they really have not moved on. They play their GH now 7 years later...ummm come on. Can any of us really be honest and say that in 1998 when we saw them return that 7 years from now they would be playing a GH set? If anyone has heard "Believe in Me"....they have to wonder what could have been if a JSS type became J's new lead singer in 1998. "Believe in Me" is exactly my kinda song - it is an amped up Journey tune - I want more of that baby!

[quote="Eric"]"that they really have not moved on"


and that was my idea of the mistake....they should have NEVER tried. Sorry...where I am at

Eric wrote:This is tough....but I'm not going to spin what I think:

I feel J's biggest mistake was not replacing Perry sooner if they really did have the feeling that he was uninterested. Perhaps they should have shaken the melodic rock world and replaced him in '84 when there were feelings that the J machine was coming apart. Replace him in '84 with Mickey Thomas, and J may have never gone away?

Hey, Eric

Do you know how close to the mark you are??

Back in 1984, it was so serious that Rolling Stone Mag. had a small article in the "Random Notes" section....and the headline was:

"STEVE PERRY HITS WITH SOLO LP; MULLS SPLIT FROM JOURNEY'.

....and yes, they DID name Mickey Thomas as a replacement.

Oh - and who else were they thinking to tap??

BRAD DELP from Boston!

sngrchk04 wrote:Oh - and who else were they thinking to tap??

BRAD DELP from Boston!

My God, if this is true... this is quite a shock. I LOVE Delp's voice.

I wish Journey would tour with both Perry and Augeri in the same way that Boston tours with Delp and Cosmo. Now that would be a fantastic show... Augeri could hit the high notes, and we would all be happy.

But the possibilities with Delp really boggle the mind... that would have been a great team up. He would have had (or still has) plenty of time to work on this between Boston albums.

Fernando Ramirez wrote:Now that would be a fantastic show... Augeri could hit the high notes, and we would all be happy.

Don't bet the farm on that.
It's largely Deen whose been covering the high notes for much of this past tour.
At the show I caught, I didn't hear Steve go for a single high note.
Deen covered plenty of them though and boy, each time he flawlessly did, my jaw and those of the people around me, dropped straight to the veryfloor.
We were in awe.
What a voice. My god, what a voice.

I actually agree here with the 'NC' regarding Steve A's high notes.
I have seen the band a couple of times, and have numerous live recordings from them over the last few years, and Augeri does struggle quite badly at times to reach those high notes. On a certain couple of these recordings he actually loses his voice completely while attempting to reach a note, and has to stop instantly. It's really amazing to hear.
Deen has one heck of a vocal, as the Noble Cause has stated.

MH

I wasn't aware of that. I think I'm actually gaining more and more respect for those older Journey recordings. I mean, I've always loved them, but I never knew it was so difficult to sing in those registers. I'm starting to wonder who out there (if anybody) can comfortably pull off those vocals now...

Fernando Ramirez wrote: I'm starting to wonder who out there (if anybody) can comfortably pull off those vocals now...

I'd sure like to see Deen step out from behind the drumset for one nite and do an entire set. I bet he just might be able to pull it off quite impeccably.
One time Journey hopeful Kevin Chalfant has a set of pipes which are still purported to be in top notch shape these days. He could cover most of Journey's catalog, I think.
JSS does a mean rendition of Send her my love, though I don't think he can cover much more than that.

Sorry, Noble!
I should have acknowledged your mentioning Deen. I've read on this board about him, but I haven't heard him yet. But I've heard some good things about his range, and I think if he can do it, and do it well, they should let him continue singing some of the songs! Bands should always use the members to their full advantage.

I've also never heard Kevin Chalfant. I think I used to get him mixed up with Funderburk.

I love JSS. I think he's a phenomenal singer. He has to try hard to reach the register of some of his older Yngwie songs. Like on I AM A VIKING on his home DVD... he defers on some parts of the song. But he's definitely up there with Perry, Brad Delp, and Fran Cosmo in my opinion.

Shame really as when I say Journey last year in Orlando Augeri absolutely rocked! In fact, my missus (a life long Journey fan) actually claimed that he had more stage presence than the Perry!!!

Paul_UK wrote:my missus (a life long Journey fan) actually claimed that he had more stage presence than the Perry!!!

.....and yet for me it was painful to watch at times

perryfaithful wrote:

.....and yet for me it was painful to watch at times

Can you corroborate a little bit on that?
Was he painful cuz he missed too many notes?
Was it painful because ANYBODY but Perry singing those songs would be in someway indignant to your feelings of loyalty towards Perry?
Was it painful because you think he is just a lousy verdant front man, in general?
All of the above, perhaps?

Not saying you're not entitled to your opinion just wondering why you didn't like the 2 shows u went to.

perryfaithful wrote:

Paul_UK wrote:my missus (a life long Journey fan) actually claimed that he had more stage presence than the Perry!!!

.....and yet for me it was painful to watch at times

Different people, different opinions.

I was actually talking about that one particular show...were you at that show? If not, your post holds as much water as a bucket with a hole in the base.

The guy was fucking awesome that night, and on the 2001 DVD, and when we saw the band in Vegas!!!

Journey's biggest mistake?

I'd hate to say it because I really do like Steve Augeri but replacing Steve Perry has got to be their biggest mistake. Even bigger than Raised On Radio which would be my number 2 choice. I don't mean it to start the usual shit here. I do love Arrival and Steve Augeri has a great voice but there's just something about Steve Perry....

ShawRiff wrote:

JourneyTroll wrote:Hi there,

Please name your Journey's biggest mistake ever in their band's history?

In my opinion, Journey's biggest mistake was getting rid of Steve Smith & Ross Valory back in 1985/86.

Another big Journey mistake was not playing Live Aid in 1985. They should have been because most of the big acts were except Van Halen.

Welcome back Shawriff and Happy 40th later on in January 2005.

Journeytroll

Randy Jackson looked ridiculous with that band jacket and spandex...

Gotta agree with Shaw on this one! I cringe everytime I see a video from the Raised on Radio Tour...Randy's wedgie haircut and his hefty butt crammed into that tight spandex makes me hurl!

Gaffguitars wrote:Journey's biggest mistake?
I'd hate to say it because I really do like Steve Augeri but replacing Steve Perry has got to be their biggest mistake.

Yeah, but taking into account that Perry hadn't stepped foot onto a stage with Neal or Jon in over 12 years, what exactly were they replacing? I mean, the frontman position had long since been vacated by Perry, 1996 was only just a year that Neal and Jon finally grew a pair and decided to go fill the positon (w/ Augeri).
Up until then, Perry was Journey's frontman in only a mere historical sense of the term.
He wasn't actually singing with them.
Nobody from Journey was doing anything with Journey.
As per Perry's wishes of an extended leave of absence, the Journey machine had stopped operating after the ROR tour.
Perry was essentially "kicked" out of a non-existing, non operating band.

It's not like Perry was kicked from an active touring band in 1998. If they kicked him out during Frontiers or Escape or ROR then that would be a much much different story. The band had been MIA since 1986, if they didn't get Auggie and blindly continued to hold onto the Perry dream, it is my belief, that the band would to this day still have not stepped foot onto a stage.

Gaffguitars wrote: but there's just something about Steve Perry....

Amen. Yes there is. Something so special that even after all these years we still talk about it. Wish there was more.

Gaffguitars wrote:


there's just something about Steve Perry....

And that comment stands all by itself with no need to argue why he is gone, who's fault it is, YADDA YADDA.

There is just something about him that is irreplaceable!

I agree that there is something special about him but I also think that the band had every right to do whatever they wished to do. Even now when I think of SP I think of Journey music or vice versa; in my mind they are forever linked. I view it that he went on medical leave and just was never able to return to work so the company replaced him It's easier for me to fit this into my thoughts instead of thinking of other scenarios that we don't know anything about.

perryfaithful wrote:

Gaffguitars wrote:


there's just something about Steve Perry....

And that comment stands all by itself with no need to argue why he is gone, who's fault it is, YADDA YADDA.

There is just something about him that is irreplaceable!

Yea, I'm definitely in agreement that there is "something special" about Steve Perry and him being irreplaceable!!!


Lori

Yet, they did of which i'm glad as i still love the band and can't wait for the next new album.

Leaving Columbia records and signing with a small group like Frontiers. Frontiers has some good artist on their roster, but they do not promote them-ERIC

Abitaman wrote:Leaving Columbia records and signing with a small group like Frontiers. Frontiers has some good artist on their roster, but they do not promote them-ERIC

Journey HAS NOT signed on with another label (yet). The Frontiers label was used to 'distribute' the RED 13 EP to retailers in Europe and Japan.