New Journey C.D.

[heardonthestreet]

So let me get this straight. The price of the new C.D. will be included in the concert ticket price so this means that you are forced to buy the c.d. if you attend the concert? Sneaky way to prop up sales. That's like force feeding to fatten up the goose.

[The_Noble_Cause]

So let me get this straight. The price of the new C.D. will be included in the concert ticket price so this means that you are forced to buy the c.d. if you attend the concert? Sneaky way to prop up sales. That's like force feeding to fatten up the goose.

I didn't hear Prince fans complaining.

Besides, you can always find out the price of tickets BEFORE deciding to part with your cash. In fact, most people DO find out the price of something before deciding to actually go ahead and buy it. Only an idiot goes through life blindly paying for something no matter the cost. Concert tickets are no exception.
If you or anyone finds the price of tickets to be exorbitant, then don't go.

[heardonthestreet]

That's not the point. It's hardly an accurate way to rate sales of the c.d. and sales of the c.d. can hardly have credibility as part of a concert ticket.. It's simply a concert giveaway no matter how you look at it. You can't call it a c.d.sale.

[Rockindeano]

NC, I agree with you. Hell, for 3-4 hours a night, I'll pay 60-75 bucks per ticket.

And Monker or NC can clarify, but these CD sales won't count as "real sales" will they?

[heardonthestreet]

I didn't think so Deno but I thought that Neal said they would in that last interview just posted. ?????????????

[The_Noble_Cause]

That's not the point. It's hardly an accurate way to rate sales of the c.d. and sales of the c.d. can hardly have credibility as part of a concert ticket.. It's simply a concert giveaway no matter how you look at it. You can't call it a c.d.sale.

Prince did the same thing, and as a result, charted sky high on Bilboard and became the golden child of the insustry.
Gonna now go moan on a Price board that Prince's come-back and cd sales aren't legitimate?

However, you can breathe a sigh of relief. As Neal said in the interview, the rules have been changed now so that in order for cds given at concerts to chart, you need to give half your money to Bilboard.
Neal isn't doing that.
He doesn't care about being able to boast that his album charted, he is more concerned with just getting new music to the masses.

So if they aren't ranked or charted, I fail to see how these cd sales count.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And Monker or NC can clarify, but these CD sales won't count as "real sales" will they?

They would have counted, but since Prince gave away his cds at concerts, the rules have now been changed so that they won't chart unless the band gives half of sales over to Bilboard.
Neal rightfully said "I don't give a f*ck about charting".

So if the sales don't get listed or charted by any official industry trade magaize, I fail to see how these cd sales count.

[heardonthestreet]

The new c.d will only be a fat goose, in other words. No golden egg, just cracker spread.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The new c.d will only be a fat goose, in other words. No golden egg, just cracker spread.

I feel this album will be their best work since Frontiers.

[jrnyman28]

I am very excited for the new CD...there is such potential. I hope Journey doesn't blow it. I am glad that Steve is able to offer do much to the new material and that he has a chance to be heard again. I hope Journey makes the music they feel...not themusic they think 'we' want. if it is real and honest, it will be good!

[Monker]

I didn't hear Prince fans complaining.

I did...on the radio. They were saying that they basicaly forced you to take the CD, even if you didn't want it....They thought the reason was exactly as said here, to prop up sales.

You can already hear Neal saying that the sales for this should be platinum, because that is how many peopple they are going to perform to. I can already hear the arguments from the Perry crowd about how the numbers do not reflect those who were REALLY interested in getting the CD....And, for once, they would be right.

[Monker]

And Monker or NC can clarify, but these CD sales won't count as "real sales" will they?

They would have counted, but since Prince gave away his cds at concerts, the rules have now been changed so that they won't chart unless the band gives half of sales over to Bilboard.
Neal rightfully said "I don't give a f*ck about charting".

So if the sales don't get listed or charted by any official industry trade magaize, I fail to see how these cd sales count.

That is true about the charts...

But, do they count for RIAA awards?

[jrnyjetster]

And HOW else would you suggest that 'established' classic rock bands such as Journey, sell records in this existing music environment that refuses to give them any radio airplay, outside of resorting to what perhaps U2 has done with that ingenious iPod add or something similar? Food for thought.

I also have this gut feeling that Journey is going to sign with a new label. There have been some hints that lead me to believe this. Let's just see what happens in a few months and see where it goes...

[yak]

So let me get this straight. The price of the new C.D. will be included in the concert ticket price so this means that you are forced to buy the c.d. if you attend the concert?

Why would you go to a Journey concert and NOT want a CD??

I think it's a great idea.

That's right. And that cracker spread you speak of will go great with your morning cup of java.

You have a thought provoking post, jrnyjetster. It's so hard to get a record played anymore, that a band has to get creative any which way it can.

I think the best is yet to come.

[Rockindeano]

The new c.d will only be a fat goose, in other words. No golden egg, just cracker spread.

Why would you say that? I am very curious to know why. Thanks for answering me HOTTIE...

[low d]

Guys, it is not like the cost of the CD is going to be so inflated that you can't stand it. An average ticket right now for a good show is $40 or so. So, if it costs the band .90 to manufacture the CD, then recoup some production expenses, and add a buck or two for profit, it still will come in under wholesale.

They should have the promoters purchase the CD's and package the ticket on the CD shrink-wrap. That way Neilson Sound Scan can report the sales. The higher the CD sales, the greater the amount the band can charge a promoter for a show. This may or may not raise ticket prices, as the promoter cannot charge more than the market can bare. Van Halen found this out the hard way with several venues with only 9 to 10k people, in a hall that seats 20k.

[Monker]

Why would you go to a Journey concert and NOT want a CD??

Because I want the CD *BEFORE* I go to the concert. So, then I have an extra copy. Then, what if I go to two or more shows. Why would I want a CD at EVERY show?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why would you go to a Journey concert and NOT want a CD??

Because I want the CD *BEFORE* I go to the concert. So, then I have an extra copy. Then, what if I go to two or more shows. Why would I want a CD at EVERY show?

We finally have a cd to look forward to, alot more than we could've said for the past two tours (when we weren't even sure if we'd *ever* see another cd from this band) and now that it's finally on its way what do you do?
-Piss, bitch and moan.

Some of you guys are self hating Journey fans.

[NealIsGod]

We finally have a cd to look forward to, alot more than we could've said for the past two tours (when we weren't even sure if we'd *ever* see another cd from this band) and now that it's finally on its way what do you do?
-Piss, bitch and moan.

Some of you guys are self hating Journey fans.

No, some are just fans that are used to buying a CD, listening to it to get familiar with the songs, then pay money to go to a concert. The way it has been forever. I have no problem with Journey giving away the new CD at their concerts, but it should be available to buy in stores first for devoted fans like all of us.

[jrnyman28]

I have no problem with Journey giving away the new CD at their concerts, but it should be available to buy in stores first for devoted fans like all of us.

I have little doubt that the CD will be available at the very least at www.journeyswag.com

I think the only real question is "When?"

Will the cd be available at the start of the tour? Or will it be later?

[The_Noble_Cause]

We finally have a cd to look forward to, alot more than we could've said for the past two tours (when we weren't even sure if we'd *ever* see another cd from this band) and now that it's finally on its way what do you do?
-Piss, bitch and moan.

Some of you guys are self hating Journey fans.

No, some are just fans that are used to buying a CD, listening to it to get familiar with the songs, then pay money to go to a concert. The way it has been forever. I have no problem with Journey giving away the new CD at their concerts, but it should be available to buy in stores first for devoted fans like all of us.

Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch....etc.

Just last year Monker was saying we'd NEVER see a new album from the band and now that we are about to, Monker is resorting to finding new, alternative ways to rag on this band's musical output. If that's not a self-loathing Journey fan I don't know what is. Sorry.

Tell ya what... you guys can go right ahead and keep whining over trivial details and meanwhile I will kick back and revel in the euphoric realization that a new Journey cd will soon be held in my grubby little fingers. Ok?
How does that sound?

Talk about a bunch of whiny-ass, ingrate little bitches. Cripes!

[Liz22562]

Get out of the wrong side of the bed there NC??????

[Journeynut]

Why would you go to a Journey concert and NOT want a CD??

Because I want the CD *BEFORE* I go to the concert. So, then I have an extra copy. Then, what if I go to two or more shows. Why would I want a CD at EVERY show?

Does including the CD jack up the ticket price? I could see why you would not want more if you got to more than one show, andhow being forced to pay for one would be not right.

One of the venues close to me include a parking fee in the ticket even though you may not actually be using parking (if you get a ride etc.)
It just is not right.

[Journeynut]

Just last year Monker was saying we'd NEVER see a new album from the band and now that we are about to, Monker is resorting to finding new, alternative ways to rag on this band's musical output. If that's not a self-loathing Journey fan I don't know what is. Sorry.

Sounds like a personal attack to me.

[Monker]

Just last year Monker was saying we'd NEVER see a new album from the band

That is NOT what I was saying. I was saying "I'll believe it when I see it." I was saying that because Neal's priorities seemed to be on Soul Sirkus...If you can find where I said something different, quote it - cuz I'd like to read it. I have said we will NEVER see a new album from Perry...but I do NOT believe I said the same thing about Journey.

And, I STILL feel that way for the VERY SAME REASONS. I don't believe Journey is most important to Neal any longer. I am NOT confident that Journey will have an album out in time for a summer tour. I think many fans are assuming many things.

Look, Soul Sirkus wrote, recorded, and released an album in less then six months. It has taken Journey over TWO YEARS to even come CLOSE to releasing an album. That tells me more then I need to know about how excited, enthused, Journey is about Journey.

and now that we are about to, Monker is resorting to finding new, alternative ways to rag on this band's musical output.

No, there are simply problems with dishing out a CD with every ticket...some problems which the band seems to not have thought about.
Yak asked why someone wouldn't want a CD when they buy a concert ticket...I told him. Sorry you don't like the answer...but it's the truth. I would rather save $10(or however much the CD adds to the cost of the ticket) on the ticket then get a CD I don't need.

[heardonthestreet]

Monker makes some very good points, even about a new c.d. from Perry but a hit single from the guy could be possible.

[jrnyman28]

Monker makes some very good points, even about a new c.d. from Perry but a hit single from the guy could be possible.

So could a hit from Journey...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just last year Monker was saying we'd NEVER see a new album from the band and now that we are about to, Monker is resorting to finding new, alternative ways to rag on this band's musical output. If that's not a self-loathing Journey fan I don't know what is. Sorry.

Sounds like a personal attack to me.

Who cares what you think is or isn't a personal attack?
If I overstepped my boundaries, then Andrew will let me know.

Do you ever actually talk about Journey?

Time to get a life, dude.

[PROPERRY]

Instead of including the the Journey Cd with the price of a ticket, why doesn't Journey sell the cd at the concerts "separately" from the ticket price???

This way the fans can hear the new music first, and then decide for themselves, if they want to buy the new cd or not. Journey would also have a better gage of how the fans "really feel" about the new music too.

Lori

[jrnyman28]

Journey is GIVING AWAY their CD. What is WRONG with that? This way, they are more likely to get their music heard by their audience. Even plaaying their music live is not the best way to first hear new music. It is a GOOD way, but the sound will be better on CD. There will be no issues with "this store is not carrying it" or "my radio station won't play it". If you want to hear it, you just put it in...if you don't want to hear it, sell it on EBay!