MR

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:32 pm**

I was wondering what Everyone thought of the Journey cds, I have an idea of what is liked and what is not, but not how well. With Journey coming out with a new cd soon, this would be a good chance to see how the Journey picture looks. I did this over on the Styx board, one night, when I was bored, and there was not much to talk about. And got a good insight. There has not been a lot going on here so.........
Just grade the Journey cd, I don't care how letter on number, play along if you wish, or if you are like me and and I woke up an hour early. Add anything else to this too or comments

Journey C+
Look Into the Future C-
Next D+
Infintiy B
Evolution B+
Departure B
Captured B+
Escape A+
Dream After Dream C-
Frontiers B+
Rasied on Radio B+
Trail By Fire B-
Live B
Arrrival A-
Armageddon's Remember Me A
Red 13 B-

STEVE PERRY
Street Talk B+
For the Love of Strange Medicine B-

NEAL SCHON
Late Nite A-
Beyond the Thunder A-
Electric World B
Voice B
I on U B+/A- just got this, it's good, but how good?

JONATHAN CAIN
Back to the Innocence B
Piano with a View B-
Body Language B

STEVE AUGERI
Tall Stories B+
Tyketto-Shine B-

SIDE PROJECTS

Hardline-Double Eclipse A-
The Storm-The Storm A
Eye of the Storm A+
Soul Sirkus-World Play B+
Bad English-Bad English A
BAck Lash B-

I sure I left some things out, either forgot, don't have, or don't know enough about it to put an opinon in.-ERIC

Posted: **Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:38 pm**

Wow, that is a very comprehensive list! I love Journey but have not heard all of the solo and side projects! I definitely wonder how you can grade ROR higher than Frontiers. ROR, IMO, is their second worst album (after TBF). Just my opinion!

I agree with ESC4P3 being an A+. If you like that, get the new Shy CD, Sunset & Vine. Almost as good as ESC4P3, and very similar to Journey.

I will rate the albums when I have more time.

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:14 am**

I C&Pd your list, and added a couple more...

Journey B
Look Into the Future C
Next C
Infinity B
Evolution B-
Departure A+ (To me, Journey at there best!)
Captured B (Not crazy about live CDs)
Escape A
Dream After Dream B (So different, but very good)
Frontiers B+
Raised on Radio D (If this was listed as Steve Perry it would rank higher)
Trial By Fire C- (Too long, too soft...but a solid CD)
GHLive D (worse than Captured by far!)
Arrival B- (Too long with ballads)
Armageddon's Remember Me A+
Red 13 B (Once I got past the production, I can't get enough of this EP)

STEVE PERRY
Street Talk B-
For the Love of Strange Medicine C-
GH+5 D (Most of the songs were never 'hits' they were singles, some of the unreleased stuff is cool though)

NEAL SCHON
Late Nite A
Beyond the Thunder B
Electric World B
Voice C
I on U B

STEVE AUGERI
Tall Stories B+
Tyketto-Shine C

SIDE PROJECTS

Hardline-Double Eclipse A
The Storm-The Storm A
The Storm-Eye of the Storm B
Soul Sirkus-World Play B+
Bad English-Bad English A
Bad English-Back Lash B+
Schon-Hammer-Here To Stay B
Schon-Hammer-Untold Passion B-
HSAS A

GREGG ROLIE
Roots A

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:44 am**

Journey C
Look Into the Future C
Next C
Infinity A
Evolution B+
Departure B
Captured B+
Escape A+
Dream After Dream B-
Frontiers A
Raised on Radio D
Trial By Fire D
GHLive C
Arrival B
Armageddon's Remember Me B
Red 13 C-

STEVE PERRY
Street Talk B+
For the Love of Strange Medicine C
GH+5 D

NEAL SCHON
Late Nite A
Beyond the Thunder B+
Electric World B-
Voice D
I on U N/A (Need to buy it!)

SIDE PROJECTS

Hardline-Double Eclipse B
The Storm-The Storm C+
The Storm-Eye of the Storm D
Soul Sirkus-World Play C+
Bad English-Bad English B
Bad English-Back Lash B
Schon-Hammer-Here To Stay A
Schon-Hammer-Untold Passion B
HSAS A+

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:59 am**

Journey C
Look Into the Future C+
Next C
Infintiy A
Evolution A-
Departure A-
Captured B
Escape A
Dream After Dream C
Frontiers A-
Rasied on Radio c
Trail By Fire B-
Arrrival A-
Red 13 A-

STEVE PERRY
Street Talk B+
For the Love of Strange Medicine C-
Missing You CD5 B
You Better Wait CD5 B
"I Stand Alone" (Quest For Camelot soundtrack) - B
"Don't Tell Me Why You're Leavin'" (Oh, Sherry 'B' side) - a
"If only For the Moment, Girl" (USA For Africa) - B

NEAL SCHON
Late Nite B
Beyond the Thunder A
Paul Rogers and Friends, the Hendrix Set - A
Schon & Hammer - B
Schon & Hammer; Untold Passion - B

JONATHAN CAIN
Back to the Innocence A
Back to the Innocence (import) A
Piano with a View A-

SIDE PROJECTS

Hardline-Double Eclipse B-
The Storm-The Storm A
Eye of the Storm A
Bad English-Bad English B
BAck Lash B-
HSAS - B

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:03 pm**

NealIsGod wrote:Wow, that is a very comprehensive list! I love Journey but have not heard all of the solo and side projects! I definitely wonder how you can grade ROR higher than Frontiers. ROR, IMO, is their second worst album (after TBF). Just my opinion!

I agree with ESC4P3 being an A+. If you like that, get the new Shy CD, Sunset & Vine. Almost as good as ESC4P3, and very similar to Journey

ROR, there is just something about that cd that I like, but why higher than Frontiers?
ROR has a cleaner production, though Perry was great on production. While Frontiers out rocked ROR (Loved Back Talk), at times thoses songs seemed forced. They were still good. ROR seems to flow better, even with all the that was going on with the band at the time. ROR just hit the right spot with me, relaxing but not to soft, rocked with out being over the top. Neal and Steve sounded great, the last time the would.-ERIC

Posted: **Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:07 pm**

I see there were some I left off
HSAS C-
Time (Unrleased songs) B
Steve Perry GHP5 (Unreleased songs) C-
Steve Perry I stand Alone (sgl) A-
ERIC

Posted: **Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:27 am**

Journey B
Look Into the Future B
Next B+
Infintiy A
Evolution A
Departure A-
Captured A
Escape A
Dream After Dream D+ (Overall not my taste)
Frontiers A-
Rasied on Radio C+
Trail By Fire C+
Arrrival A-
Red 13 C (Hoping new album is not entirely in this direction)

STEVE PERRY
Street Talk C
For the Love of Strange Medicine D
"I Stand Alone" (Quest For Camelot soundtrack) - B

NEAL SCHON
Late Nite B
Beyond the Thunder B+
Electric World C
Pirahna Blues B+
Voice B+
I on U B
Paul Rogers & Friends - The Hendrix Set - A(So them in CA, great show)
Schon & Hammer - B+
Schon & Hammer - Untold Passion - B+

JONATHAN CAIN
Anthology C+ (Only solo Cain I have)

SIDE PROJECTS

Hardline-Double Eclipse B
The Storm-The Storm A-
The Storm - Eye of the Storm B+
Bad English-Bad English B
Bad English - Back Lash B+
Abraxas Pool A
HSAS - B+
Soul Sirkus - A

There are more to rate, just can't think of them all now.

Posted: **Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:40 am**

jrnyman28 wrote:I C&Pd your list, and added a couple more...

Red 13 B (Once I got past the production, I can't get enough of this EP

That is the biggest problem I had with the cd. Production is below average for Journey. But, the songs are very good. Just wish there had been more of them-ERIC

Posted: **Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:46 pm**

Abitaman wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:I C&Pd your list, and added a couple more...

Red 13 B (Once I got past the production, I can't get enough of this EP

That is the biggest problem I had with the cd. Production is below average for Journey. But, the songs are very good. Just wish there had been more of them-ERIC

I agree completely!!

Posted: **Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:43 am**

I just thought I should add the really good THE VU album "Phoenix rising" that was released on Frontiers in 2000,it featured Ross Valory,Prairie Prince,Kevin CHalfant,Tim Gorman and Stef Burns.
It sounds just as good as The Storm and better than Two Fires.

Posted: **Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:42 am**

Kaj wrote:I just thought I should add the really good THE VU album "Phoenix rising" that was released on Frontiers in 2000,it featured Ross Valory,Prairie Prince,Kevin CHalfant,Tim Gorman and Stef Burns.
It sounds just as good as The Storm and better than Two Fires.

Yes i picked it up a couple of months ago. Traded for a copy of it. Only knew Kevin was on lead vocals. Didn't know it was as new as 2000, or that Ross was on it.-ERIC

Posted: **Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:22 am**

Eric, it was re-released, or officially released, in 2000. It was recorded in the 80's.

Posted: **Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:02 am**

Journey B
Look Into the Future B
Next B+
Infintiy A
Evolution A
Departure A-
Captured A
Escape A
Dream After Dream A (LOVE it when the unexpected is done!)
Frontiers A-
Rasied on Radio A (the lower register RULES)
Trail By Fire D (unexpected, yes...but uninspired IMO - "MOL" = "Separate Ways" at a faster tempo)
Arrrival F (you should know WHY by now... :wink:

)
Red 13 C (dunno)

STEVE PERRY
Street Talk A+
For the Love of Strange Medicine B-
"I Stand Alone" (Quest For Camelot soundtrack) - B
"Can't Fall Asleep To a Lullaby" (B V for "America") A - yup - Steve's DEFINITELY on there!
"I Wish You Were Mine" (T Tokioka) C - sound very VERY raspy
"If Only For The Moment, Girl" - A - Steve should do MORE "Island Jazz" type music!
"It's Over" (F. McDonald) - Early Steve - A - Developing the high register - Forrest worked w/ him in the mid-70s - a sign of things to come....
"Can't Let You Go" (J. Golub - guest vocals) A - suprising, IMO...I know it's just that sentence over and over....but, IMO his backing vocals harken back to the clear, high voice of the "Escape" era...and hey- he WAS in the studio again.
"White Fool" (Clannad) A - kudos to Steve for attemting GAELIC, of all things!

....there's more; can't think of them right now.....

________________________________________________________

...and I FULLY ADMIT - I do not have knowledge of the rest

Posted: **Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:21 pm**

sngrchk04 wrote:
Arrrival F (you should know WHY by now... )
Red 13 C (dunno)

STEVE PERRY
Street Talk A+
For the Love of Strange Medicine B-
"I Stand Alone" (Quest For Camelot soundtrack) - B
"Can't Fall Asleep To a Lullaby" (B V for "America") A - yup - Steve's DEFINITELY on there!
"I Wish You Were Mine" (T Tokioka) C - sound very VERY raspy
"If Only For The Moment, Girl" - A - Steve should do MORE "Island Jazz" type music!
"It's Over" (F. McDonald) - Early Steve - A - Developing the high register - Forrest worked w/ him in the mid-70s - a sign of things to come....
"Can't Let You Go" (J. Golub - guest vocals) A - suprising, IMO...I know it's just that sentence over and over....but, IMO his backing vocals harken back to the clear, high voice of the "Escape" era...and hey- he WAS in the studio again.
"White Fool" (Clannad) A - kudos to Steve for attemting GAELIC, of all things!

....there's more; can't think of them right now.....

________________________________________________________

...and I FULLY ADMIT - I do not have knowledge of the rest

Arrival an F??????? That blows my mind. Is it because Augeri is trying to sound like Perry? True he should have been "more" his self like in Red 13. Is that why you rated that one higher? Just wondering.

Have not heard most of the Perry songs listed latter. Can you tell me what cds they are on? Like to try and get a copy of them-ERIC

Posted: **Sun Apr 24, 2005 1:47 pm**

jrnyman28 wrote:Eric, it was re-released, or officially released, in 2000. It was recorded in the 80's.

It was never released in the 80's.

The VU was basicaly evolved into The Storm.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:44 am**

Abitaman wrote:
Arrival an F??????? That blows my mind. Is it because Augeri is trying to sound like Perry? True he should have been "more" his self like in Red 13.

This has always confused me. Other than on "All the Way" wherein Augeri purposely utilizes an obvious Sam Cooke-ism, where exactly on the album does he sound like he is trying hard to be Perry?
On "Kiss me Softly" ? Nope.
On "Im not that Way"? Not-at-all.
On "Live and Breathe"? Not hardly.
Yeah, ok, so on a few songs he hits a few high notes and has a high pitched voice like Perry, but then again, that's true of Red 13, as well. If you think he is *trying* to sound like Perry on Arrival, then I can't see how anyone can honestly make the argument that he somehow is NOT trying to be Perry-like on Red 13. In fact, I think State of Grace is one of his more Perry-ish vocal deliveries. He uses his upper range to full effect on that song.

I'm not saying that Augeri and Perry don't naturally share some vocal similarities, I'm saying that I don't hear or detect any deliberate forced inflections on Augeri's part to try to mimic Steve of old.
As far as I can tell, Augeri is just belting it out and relating it in his own way.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:58 am**

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Abitaman wrote:
Arrival an F??????? That blows my mind. Is it because Augeri is trying to sound like Perry? True he should have been "more" his self like in Red 13.

This has always confused me. Other than on "All the Way" wherein Augeri purposely utilizes an obvious Sam Cooke-ism, where exactly on the album does he sound like he is trying hard to be Perry?

I think this comes from the fact that almost ALL of Arrival sounds like Journey was trying to sound like the Escape-era Journey. But it is unfair to criticize Journey for this since it was JDK and SONY choosing the songs to accomplish that sound.

But then again, Journey could have balked at that, they could have a refused. But they didn't...

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:12 am**

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Abitaman wrote:
Arrival an F??????? That blows my mind. Is it because Augeri is trying to sound like Perry? True he should have been "more" his self like in Red 13.

This has always confused me. Other than on "All the Way" wherein Augeri purposely utilizes an obvious Sam Cooke-ism, where exactly on the album does he sound like he is trying hard to be Perry?
On "Kiss me Softly" ? Nope.
On "Im not that Way"? Not-at-all.
On "Live and Breathe"? Not hardly.
Yeah, ok, so on a few songs he hits a few high notes and has a high pitched voice like Perry, but then again, that's true of Red 13, as well. If you think he is *trying* to sound like Perry on Arrival, then I can't see how anyone can honestly make the argument that he somehow is NOT trying to be Perry-like on Red 13. In fact, I think State of Grace is one of his more Perry-ish vocal deliveries. He uses his upper range to full effect on that song.

I'm not saying that Augeri and Perry don't naturally share some vocal similarities, I'm saying that I don't hear or detect any deliberate forced inflections on Augeri's part to try to mimic Steve of old.
As far as I can tell, Augeri is just belting it out and relating it in his own way.

oh PLEASE for the LOVE OF GOD - lighten up!!!

I was making fun of myself on how I used to "carry on" about how they replaced SP.

Why do you think I put the " :wink:

" face after the phrase "you should know WHY by now"?

....and yes - I STILL don't like it :wink:

AND FYI - "Red 13" should've read just "dunno" - I didn't know that the "C" was there.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2005 8:43 am**

sngrchk04 wrote:
oh PLEASE for the LOVE OF GOD - lighten up!!!

I was making fun of myself on how I used to "carry on" about how they replaced SP.

Why do you think I put the " " face after the phrase "you should know WHY by now"?

If you'd care to look, you'd see my comments were made in response to Eric's remarks, not urs. I am fully aware that you were being light hearted and were playing up how u used to "carry on" about Perry on these boards.

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:08 pm**

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
sngrchk04 wrote:
oh PLEASE for the LOVE OF GOD - lighten up!!!

I was making fun of myself on how I used to "carry on" about how they replaced SP.

Why do you think I put the " " face after the phrase "you should know WHY by now"?

If you'd care to look, you'd see my comments were made in response to Eric's remarks, not urs. I am fully aware that you were being light hearted and were playing up how u used to "carry on" about Perry on these boards.

oops.....my bad....sorry about that :shock:

Posted: **Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:13 pm**

sngrchk04 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
sngrchk04 wrote:
oh PLEASE for the LOVE OF GOD - lighten up!!!

I was making fun of myself on how I used to "carry on" about how they replaced SP.

Why do you think I put the " " face after the phrase "you should know WHY by now"?

If you'd care to look, you'd see my comments were made in response to Eric's remarks, not urs. I am fully aware that you were being light hearted and were playing up how u used to "carry on" about Perry on these boards.

oops.....my bad....sorry about that

No harm done.

Posted: **Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:11 pm**

sngrchk04 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
sngrchk04 wrote:
oh PLEASE for the LOVE OF GOD - lighten up!!!

I was making fun of myself on how I used to "carry on" about how they replaced SP.

Why do you think I put the " " face after the phrase "you should know WHY by now"?

If you'd care to look, you'd see my comments were made in response to Eric's remarks, not urs. I am fully aware that you were being light hearted and were playing up how u used to "carry on" about Perry on these boards.

Sorry I ahve took so long to responed. Had to reboot my computer, so much spyware on it. When I fianlly got rid of them, a lot of my programs and etc came up missing. Still do not alot of things up, email, my msic programs etc, hope by weekend to be back 100%. Just got online this morning after about 4 days off.
Anyway my response is to the F grade on Arrival! Don't remember who made the comment, about Arrival. But I was wondering why thought Arrival was an F. Was it becasue Augeri was Sounding like Perry?

I know Augeri is going to sound like Perry, but he is not a clone! If there weren't some things about him that were like Perry he wouldn't have gotten the job. Augeri is own person. My comment was that it is becasue of this that it wasn't Perry, that Arrival was given an F. I like Arrival, look on my list of grades on the Journey cds ond solo post.

Anyway I', going to finish flipping through the post here, and see what I have missed. Should have email up tonight or tomorrow, then I can look at my email and see where I need to go here.-ERIC
oops.....my bad....sorry about that

MR

JOURNEY AND SOLO CDS AND SIDE PROJECTS

JOURNEY AND SOLO CDS AND SIDE PROJECTS