In case you haven't read...drumroll please.....

[jrnyjetster]

It has been reported that Neal has revealed the title to the new Journey album......

GENERATIONS


I like it!

[Abitaman]

Not bad
Fits too. If you look back at the band, each time a member has come into the group, it's a different generation of the band. Works-ERIC

[Hippie]

I saw that on the main page. But there was no source sited. Anybody have more info on that?

I do like it though!

It has a nice ring to it; more so that Freedom or Return or Move.

[heardonthestreet]

This is just an opinion but with Neals discription of what this album is going to consist of, I'd say that a good title would be.........End In Sight.......

Maybe if they changed their band name to "Generations" and the title of the album to "Journey"............that would make sense. Just a suggestion.

[jrnyjetster]

This is just an opinion but with Neals discription of what this album is going to consist of, I'd say that a good title would be.........End In Sight.......

You've just proven your AGENDA to everyone on this board.. Your replies are very predictable and frankly I'm getting very tired of them. If this CD takes off, which I believe it will, you'll be eating crow, won't you? I hope Andrew cans your ass off this board!

[NealIsGod]

Generations would not be my choice, but my guess is the meaning of it is there have been different generations of Journey and Journey fans. The Journey concert I attended last summer was full of fans of all ages.

Let's see how it fits in with the other one word titles:

Journey
Next
Infinity
Evolution
Departure
Captured
Escape
Frontiers
Generations

Not bad... better than Freedom. Is Stanley Mouse still around to do the cover art?

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is just an opinion but with Neals discription of what this album is going to consist of, I'd say that a good title would be.........End In Sight.......

Nope.
Clearly, you guys aren't here for purposes of instigating trouble at all.


And don't give me any of this "I am merely expressing a dissenting opinon" baloney. Your anti-new album opinion is predicated on NOTHING; not on Neal's quotes (as you'd have us believe), not on the music itself, but solely that the album does not feature Steve Perry.
By everyones acount, this new album has been described as sounding absolutely amazing.
So forgive me for not buying it when you say that Neal's description is what has lead you to believe the way you do, that this album should be more accurately titled "end in sight".
All Neal has said is that this album is nearly ballad-free and more hard rocking. Even if in all actuality, this album does massively suck, there is positively, absolutely no way you could have inferred that from any of Neal's decisively positive comments.
So don't tell us that you have justification or legitimacy behind feeling the way you do, 'cuz you dont.
You don't hate this album for the way it's been talked up by Neal in the press. Drop the facade.
You hate this album for the same tired-ass reason you will continue to hate ANYTHING this band releases (regardless of its quality); because it doesn't have Perry singing lead.

Probably the most pitiful thing about you is that you are not even man enough to stand behind your own partisan convictions and simply say that. Instead, you mask your tendentiousness through a guise of feigned-objective forum contributions, chiming in to make any announced good Journey news sound bad or occasionally interjecting to make baseless objections like "this album sounds like it's gonna be bad". -TOTAL UNEQUIVOCAL BULLSHIT.
As I said in a previous thread, no matter what current JRNY does you will criticize it. That's not an opinion, that's an agenda.
You say ROR & TBF is underrated for being so modern sounding, but when JRNY releases something actually contemporary sounding like "The Time" or "Walking Away from the edge" do you praise it?
Hell no, you bash it straight into the ground.
Why?
Same reason as always; cuz it doesn't have Perry.
Of course, you will disingeniously assign blame on other reasons (just like you did in this post).

If it was announced today that Perry was releasing a new solo album, fans of the current JRNY lineup would be nothing but upbeat, and eager to hear it (i'm one of them). I hope he does release a new one someday.
However, if there is any good news about JOURNEY, you feel the need to subvert the thread.

Andrew-this is bullshit. Enough already. Ban these fuckers. We can't go a single Journey thread on here without them trying to undermine it.
Enough!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Let's see how it fits in with the other one word titles:

Journey
Next
Infinity
Evolution
Departure
Captured
Escape
Frontiers
Generations

Dude, your forgot Arrival.

[jrnyman28]

I don't know....doesn't have the "hook" for me. Sounds old...and the description of the CD (apparantly I read a different review than HOTS) does not sound 'old' to me. "Generations" does not fit the list of titles either IMO. But that is OK, this is a new Journey so the title doesn't have to fit...sort of like when ROR and TBF came out. Those titles do not fit the list either. I am glad they announced the title...now bring on the music!

[heardonthestreet]

Part of what I was getting at was the many different vocals. I suppose that the topic, which was so popular, about Augeri being the right chose as frontman, might have influenced Neal and had him decide to take the heat off Augeri. A lot of you submitted your preferences at the time and as I recall, some of us felt it was demeaning to Augeri. Do any of you think that it may have undermined Augeri confidence somewhat?

I'ts hard to figure how people who arn't vocalists can conceivably pull this off. On the other hand it might be good for a lot of laughs and we can always use that.

Must Noble Cause always, and I mean ALWAYS, bring Journeys former frontmans name into the threads. He starts trouble with every topic doing it and his use of my PM site is annoying also.

I think that the name should have been something that would indicate promise.
I will ware a hair vest to one of their concerts if the album is a success.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Part of what I was getting at was the many different vocals. I suppose that the topic, which was so popular, about Augeri being the right chose as frontman, might have influenced Neal and had him decide to take the heat off Augeri. A lot of you submitted your preferences at the time and as I recall, some of us felt it was demeaning to Augeri. Do any of you think that it may have undermined Augeri confidence somewhat?

I'ts hard to figure how people who arn't vocalists can conceivably pull this off. On the other hand it might be good for a lot of laughs and we can always use that.

Must Noble Cause always, and I mean ALWAYS, bring Journeys former frontmans name into the threads. He starts trouble with every topic doing it and his use of my PM site is annoying also.

I think that the name should have been something that would indicate promice.
I will ware a hair vest to one of their concerts if the album is a success.

That's right, back pedal now.
Save your ass.
Clandestinely inject some real opinion into the mix, pretending you are here to discuss something with substance and not just effuse vitriolic pre-determined hatred.
Right -
As if Andrew and all of us can't see through that.

[heardonthestreet]

Cry baby!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Part of what I was getting at was the many different vocals.

Bullshit. You weren't getting at anything. You made another pithy baseless snide jab at the current lineup. Just like earlier when you made an uncorroborated remark aimed at the Journey fans by calling them "blind mice" without offering ANY elaboration. That's not opinion, that's just incendiary mockery.

Part of what I was getting at was the many different vocals. I suppose that the topic, which was so popular, about Augeri being the right chose as frontman, might have influenced Neal and had him decide to take the heat off Augeri.

Let me see if I got this straight, you truly believe that my post (on debating if Augeri was the best choice out of all candidates) is responsible somehow for the new-found vocal diversity to be found on this new album?
WTF?
Most of the album was written already by the time I made that post.
Journey will do what Journey wants to do.
The band has been mixing up lead vocal duties all tour-long and the new album reflects this.

A lot of you submitted your preferences at the time and as I recall, some of us felt it was demeaning to Augeri. Do any of you think that it may have undermined Augeri confidence somewhat?

Oh, get off it. Every person that commented on that thread of mine had nothing but GREAT things to say about Augeri. Quit acting like this is a subject you actually care about. When it was a current, in-progress thread you and your ilk did everything within your power to encroach on the progress of the discussion (saying that discussing potential vocalists besides Perry is inconcievable and tantamount to blasphemy) and now suddenly you actually DO want to discuss what was once (per you) an off-limits topic?
Get the hell outta here.

I'ts hard to figure how people who arn't vocalists can conceivably pull this off. On the other hand it might be good for a lot of laughs and we can always use that.

Jon is a fine vocalist, Neal has sung on past albums and Ross sounded great this summer. If you were actually a Journey fan, and not an agenda-pushing instigant you would actually know these things already.

Must Noble Cause always, and I mean ALWAYS, bring Journeys former frontmans name into the threads. He starts trouble with every topic doing it and his use of my PM site is annoying also.

That's right.
Start trouble in this very thread, but then shift acountability elsewhere when people actually call you on it. YOU, not me, made the unwarranted negative remarks about the new album without offering any support.
You. Not me.

[heardonthestreet]

Why are you causing such ruckus and again bringing up Steve P's name?

Wasn't it you who posted that people like me were scaring the living shit out of you NC? I doubt if I'm even coming close. You seem quite intact.

Please get back on subject N.C. and quit whining.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Part of what I was getting at was the many different vocals.

Even if your intention was not to be provocative or instigational and you were actually trying to making a legitimate, cogent observation about the recent variegation of lead vocal duties on the new album, how does that account for your needlessly-pessimistic claim that the new album should be re-named "End in Sight"?

Just because there is more than one singer on the album (ala Departure, or the even earlier works) the band is now dead?

Sorry, I am not buying it.

You are here to bash, bash, bash.

[NealIsGod]

The Perry-onlys love when you guys react like this. Stop giving them the satisfaction. When you see a post by one of them, SCROLL BY. Works great!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why are you causing such ruckus and again bringing up Steve P's name?

Shamelessly cribbing a page from PF's playbook, are we?


I am bringing up Steve Perry because the only reason you are making baseless negative comments about the new cd is because it is 100% Perry-free.
That's it.
You have no other basis for ur negative opinion. NONE.
Not a single track of the music has been leaked out yet.
Hell, I'd wager the cover art isn't even done yet.

There has been nothing, I repeat, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, written yet about this new album that would be cause for you to say (as u did) that Neal's description has lead you to somehow believe that this album should be more aptly titled "end in sight".

So don't lie to us all here and say you have justification or legitimacy behind feeling the way you do, 'cuz you dont.
You don't hate this album for the way it's been talked up by Neal in the press (as you claim).
Drop the facade.
You hate this album for the same tired-ass reason you will continue to hate ANYTHING this band releases (regardless of its quality); because it doesn't have Perry singing lead.

[NealIsGod]

HOTS' comments are not worth the time or effort you put into thinking or writing comebacks, TNC, even though I think you are right on. We are given precious little time on this planet, and I am sure you agree that wasting it on posters like HOTS is not spending it wisely.

I've only been following this board for a few months, but there are a few posters whose ramblings I completely ignore, either b/c they are only trying to start fights or they can't express a thought without using expletives.

I still say the new album should be called Perilous (PERRY-less)!

[heardonthestreet]

Good advise NIG. I like Perilous also. It makes sense.

[Hippie]

I'ts hard to figure how people who arn't vocalists can conceivably pull this off. On the other hand it might be good for a lot of laughs and we can always use that.

What?!

HOTS, might you be familiar with a band called "Journey"? Ever see them in concert?

Some singers are able to actually create harmonic vocals on a note or two, but it's rare. And even Perry can't sustain 3 & 4 part harmonies by himself!

So who was singing the other parts in concert? The other guys! Valory, Schon and Cain!

Neal Schon even shared lead vocal duties when the band started out. You know, before Perry! He also has vocal work on his solo albums! Cain has taken to singing Rolie's old songs for several years now and sang lead on at least one other Journey song before that! "All That Really Matters"
Valory (from what I've seen) is the primary back-up singer in the band. Where Schon and Cain seem to switch off, Valory seems to always sing on the harmonies.

Exactly HOW are these other guys not vocalists?! Because it's not their primary band function? I guess that means Perry's not a true drummer either!

[jrnyman28]

Part of what I was getting at was the many different vocals.

So there is a problem by showing the depth of talent in the band? Neal and Gregg sang leads on the first three CDs. Perry and Gregg sang leads on the next three CDs, along with one song featuring Neal and Perry (with Gregg backing them up). This is nothing new. And look at bands like Toto and Chicago. They have had great success with multiple vocalists. It all depends on what style the song "calls for".

I suppose that the topic, which was so popular, about Augeri being the right chose as frontman, might have influenced Neal and had him decide to take the heat off Augeri.

Doubtful. Even if you were referring to the topic in general, as opposed to the one here on this board. I am pretty sure that the FAN RESPONSE to the different vocals at the shows has influenced the use of different vocalists on CD. Again, I am sure it depends on what the song "calls for".

Do any of you think that it may have undermined Augeri confidence somewhat?

Not at all. I think Steve is more confident now than he has been yet. He has contributed a lot to this CD. He has been more involved in the writing and the creation of the songs. He is secure in his role with the band. He is a team player.

Do you think Neal's confidence has been undermined by Steve strapping on a guitar on this CD?

Not a chance. But it brings, yet again, more depth to the CD. By having Jon remain on keys and having Steve on Rhythm guitar the songs will probably sound fuller.

I'ts hard to figure how people who arn't vocalists can conceivably pull this off.

Again, Neal has done vocals in the past. Not only in Journey, but also some solo work. Jon has been singing forever...even on his record before joining the Baby's. We have all witnessed accounts of how good Deen is. Ross is the one surprise. But, you should also remember that Journey has always been known for harmonies. And those harmonies were sung by all the band members.

On the other hand it might be good for a lot of laughs and we can always use that.

I am sure you will take comfort in that. Hell, you are already laughing and you havent even heard it!

Must Noble Cause always, and I mean ALWAYS, bring Journeys former frontmans name into the threads. He starts trouble with every topic doing it and his use of my PM site is annoying also.

He does not start it. You do. Even when you do not say Perry's name, you still IMPLY it. You constantly compare or imply a comparison.

I think that the name should have been something that would indicate promise.

How about "Promise"?
I really don't care what they call it. Personally, I would love them to put out another self-titled disc. I think it should just be called "Journey". Who cares that they had a Journey album in 1975? Seal has had FOUR self-titled discs...

I will ware a hair vest to one of their concerts if the album is a success.

How do you define success? What if the fans like it, but the critics do not? What if the critics LOVE it but it still does not get airplay? It is not going to chart because Journey is not paying for the concert units to count towards awards. So will that make a difference to you? I know the FAN posts here and on BT will be immediately discreditted by you, so what will "count"?

And finally, who cares about a "hair vest" at a concert, unless that is all you are wearing. If that is the case, I hope the theory about HOTS being hot is correct!

[yak]

And finally, who cares about a "hair vest" at a concert, unless that is all you are wearing. If that is the case, I hope the theory about HOTS being hot is correct!

If Hottsie were as hot as she says she is, she wouldn't be on a message board 24/7

Now, Miss Tottsie, let's talk about who you REALLY are......





NIG has the right idea.

[Hippie]

Do you think Neal's confidence has been undermined by Steve strapping on a guitar on this CD?

Does Augeri play rhythm guitar on this one?!
That'll ROCK!!! I haven't heard that before!

Is it confirmed or a rumor?

[jrnyman28]

Do you think Neal's confidence has been undermined by Steve strapping on a guitar on this CD?

Does Augeri play rhythm guitar on this one?!
That'll ROCK!!! I haven't heard that before!

Is it confirmed or a rumor?

Pictures of the band in the studio have been posted. In at least one of those photos Steve can be seen with an electric guitar.

[jrnyjetster]

Pictures of the band in the studio have been posted.

Where? I haven't seen them yet...

[NealIsGod]

Yes, please tell us where!

[Rockindeano]

Go To Hell, HOTS.


As for the rest of you... Trust me, nothing fires me up like that fucking pest, and part of me was saying, "why answer her? She is pathetic, to say the least."

As for her wearing a "Hair vest?" WTF is that? And plus, I don't want to see her at a Journey show. Go back to your room, and spin Captured a few more thousand times....That way you can PRETEND Perry still sings.

We need to get Andrew involved, this is re-goddam-diculous.


ANDREW- This isn't about "rah rah" like on other boards. If you research HOTS (as well as others), every F-ing post is negative negative and negative. We are here to "talk Journey, both pro and con" and be honest about it. If you continue to let her stay on, isn't that a way wasting bandwidth. I for one would consider leaving..it's just getting old Andrew, real old.

[jrnyman28]

I'll see if I can find them again. I think they were linked to Jim's site. Or maybe Deen's. The pictures were credited to George Tickner.

[Abitaman]

Yes, please tell us where!

To me that is the worst cd Hagar or Neal has ever been on. But that is how I see it. I noticed alot of people on this board like it. So, I must be in the minority on how I feel about it.
One of the things I didn't like was how the audience is so low into the mix., and I didn't think th e song writing was up to either of their skills-ERIC

[Abitaman]

I posted that above comment on the wrong thread, it should have been on the Journey and solo cds, talking about HSAS cd.-ERIC