An Icon on His Own....I like that

[perryfaithful]

http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment/0,,1 ... 61,00.html

An Excerpt..........

Soul Sirkus

Bio: Journey guitarist Neal Schon, who previously served time in the not-so-supergroup Bad English, had been playing in a group dubbed Planet Us with Van Halenites Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony.

When the pair left to rejoin Vh, Schon hired Jeff Scott Soto (a veteran vocalist known for his work with Yngwie Malmsteen and in the film Rock Star) and bass player Marco Medoza (Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy) for a whole new venture.

What's in a name: With its "creative" misspelling and capitalisation, Soul Sirkus may well possess the supergroupiest name of all time.

On record: The band initially released songs via its Web site, while the commercial version of their debut has found a small, but appreciative, audience among genre fans.

Potential shelf life: If Steve Perry decides he's ready to rejoin Journey - and his surprise appearance when the band was given a star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame in January is a promising sign - expect Soul Sirkus' own journey to be a short one, indeed.

[yak]

Potential shelf life: If Steve Perry decides he's ready to rejoin Journey -

Key word here is "IF" Bubbles.

It ain't never gonna happen!

[perryfaithful]

Potential shelf life: If Steve Perry decides he's ready to rejoin Journey -

Key word here is "IF" Bubbles.

It ain't never gonna happen!

Was the author of that article named Bubbles?? I didn't note that.....

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment/0,,12253-4296661,00.html

An Excerpt..........

Soul Sirkus

Bio: Journey guitarist Neal Schon, who previously served time in the not-so-supergroup Bad English, had been playing in a group dubbed Planet Us with Van Halenites Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony.

When the pair left to rejoin Vh, Schon hired Jeff Scott Soto (a veteran vocalist known for his work with Yngwie Malmsteen and in the film Rock Star) and bass player Marco Medoza (Whitesnake, Thin Lizzy) for a whole new venture.

What's in a name: With its "creative" misspelling and capitalisation, Soul Sirkus may well possess the supergroupiest name of all time.

On record: The band initially released songs via its Web site, while the commercial version of their debut has found a small, but appreciative, audience among genre fans.

Potential shelf life: If Steve Perry decides he's ready to rejoin Journey - and his surprise appearance when the band was given a star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame in January is a promising sign - expect Soul Sirkus' own journey to be a short one, indeed.

Keep holding on to the dream, u sad poor dellusional creature, keep holding onto that dream.
After some 15 years or more, you would think some people would start to finally take a hint.

[Abitaman]

Keep holding on to the dream, u sad poor dellusional creature, keep holding onto that dream.
After some 15 years or more, you would think some people would start to finally take a hint.

Well said, 15 years from now when Perry is dead, they will have Perry sightnings, at malls, and etc...-ERIC

[jrnyman28]

Potential shelf life: If Steve Perry decides he's ready to rejoin Journey - and his surprise appearance when the band was given a star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame in January is a promising sign - expect Soul Sirkus' own journey to be a short one, indeed.

To be honest, even IF Perry were to rejoin Journey (as unlikely as that is), that does NOT mean SS would have to be short term. Even IF Journey were to reunite with Perry, the tour would not be much longer than the touring they are doing now. These men have family lives, age and health conditions. The only one who shows the 'need' to be on the road is Nral. So a Journey tour might extend from 4-5 months to 8-9 months. But Neal could STILL go out with SS after a Journey tour.

Besides, we KNOW that Perry is NOT rejoining Journey for THIS tour so it could all wait until AFTER the SS gigs that come after the Journey tour.

But, of course, this is all a dream scenario...Perry is NOT rejoining Journey. Perry shows no interest in even gigging with Journey.




Lastly, I find it an interesting dichotomy that Perry-only fans post that Perry would never go back to Journey, he has more pride than that, he wouldn't lower himself, he won't lend his name or appearance to possibly validate the continuing Journey, etc., etc.
And yet, Perry-only fans will take a line like the one above to imply that Perry will do just that...come back to Journey.
Perry's HWOF appearance has already flown in the face of many Perry-only fans beliefs of the man...

[perryfaithful]

Potential shelf life: If Steve Perry decides he's ready to rejoin Journey - and his surprise appearance when the band was given a star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame in January is a promising sign - expect Soul Sirkus' own journey to be a short one, indeed.

To be honest, even IF Perry were to rejoin Journey (as unlikely as that is), that does NOT mean SS would have to be short term. Even IF Journey were to reunite with Perry, the tour would not be much longer than the touring they are doing now. These men have family lives, age and health conditions. The only one who shows the 'need' to be on the road is Nral. So a Journey tour might extend from 4-5 months to 8-9 months. But Neal could STILL go out with SS after a Journey tour.

Besides, we KNOW that Perry is NOT rejoining Journey for THIS tour so it could all wait until AFTER the SS gigs that come after the Journey tour.

But, of course, this is all a dream scenario...Perry is NOT rejoining Journey. Perry shows no interest in even gigging with Journey.




Lastly, I find it an interesting dichotomy that Perry-only fans post that Perry would never go back to Journey, he has more pride than that, he wouldn't lower himself, he won't lend his name or appearance to possibly validate the continuing Journey, etc., etc.
And yet, Perry-only fans will take a line like the one above to imply that Perry will do just that...come back to Journey.
Perry's HWOF appearance has already flown in the face of many Perry-only fans beliefs of the man...

The way you posted this Dave, it makes it look like the line FROM THE ARTICLE is my quote. Of course it is not. I did not make any comment about this article at all.

[PROPERRY]

Potential shelf life: If Steve Perry decides he's ready to rejoin Journey - and his surprise appearance when the band was given a star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame in January is a promising sign - expect Soul Sirkus' own journey to be a short one, indeed.

To be honest, even IF Perry were to rejoin Journey (as unlikely as that is), that does NOT mean SS would have to be short term. Even IF Journey were to reunite with Perry, the tour would not be much longer than the touring they are doing now. These men have family lives, age and health conditions. The only one who shows the 'need' to be on the road is Nral. So a Journey tour might extend from 4-5 months to 8-9 months. But Neal could STILL go out with SS after a Journey tour.

Besides, we KNOW that Perry is NOT rejoining Journey for THIS tour so it could all wait until AFTER the SS gigs that come after the Journey tour.

But, of course, this is all a dream scenario...Perry is NOT rejoining Journey. Perry shows no interest in even gigging with Journey.




Lastly, I find it an interesting dichotomy that Perry-only fans post that Perry would never go back to Journey, he has more pride than that, he wouldn't lower himself, he won't lend his name or appearance to possibly validate the continuing Journey, etc., etc.
And yet, Perry-only fans will take a line like the one above to imply that Perry will do just that...come back to Journey.
Perry's HWOF appearance has already flown in the face of many Perry-only fans beliefs of the man...

I find that Neal has a very poor memory of the past 7 years of HIM bashing Perry publicly. Neal looked like a "big hypocrit" standing there with his arms draped around Perry at the WOF.

It is clear that Neal only invited Perry to sing with Journey in order to make HIMSELF look good in front of all the fans & media. It had NOTHING to do with "real genuine sincerity" in really wanting Perry to be there to perform with Journey.

My gosh, Neal spent all those times bashing Perry in his interviews & then SUDDENLY right before the WOF, HE goes on the radio & says, "He misses Perry". I find that to be hilarious of Neal!

Perry stated on the Fan Asylum interview that HE made his OWN DECISION to come to the WOF, and it had nothing to do with anyone else's comments or opinions. Not his exact words, but something like that.

Furthermore THE PERRY FANS have always RESPECTED & SUPPORTED Perry for "whatever decision" HE made in regards to coming to the WOF, or any other decisions he makes in regards to his life.

It is the "fans of the current line up" "who heavily critzise Perry", so could it be more possible that Perry's appearance at HWOF has really flown in the face of the "fans of the current line up" beliefs of the man. That is the FANS who heavily bash & critizise him.


Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

I find that Neal has a very poor memory of the past 7 years of HIM bashing Perry publicly. Neal looked like a "big hypocrit" standing there with his arms draped around Perry at the WOF.

No, he didn't. Herbie bashed every single member of the the band in his notorious interview, and yet his relationship with Neal remains very much like that of father & son. You can speak honestly about someone and still have fond thoughts about them. Neal is on record saying Perry was very controlling, but is that to say that him and Neal and Ross didn't spend some of the most wonderful and cherished time of their lives together? Of course not.

According to your flawed logic, Perry must have then looked like a huge hypocrit for hugging Ross and Smitty on account of him firing them for being unequipped and unqualified for the job during ROR.

My gosh, Neal spent all those times bashing Perry in his interviews & then SUDDENLY right before the WOF, HE goes on the radio & says, "He misses Perry". I find that to be hilarious of Neal!

I don't. As I already stated, you can speak honestly about someone and still think fondly about them. Ever see an old friend that you haven't seen in years, especially one you might not have gotten along so well with back in the day? All of the old grudges and trivial quarrels melt right then and there. If you can't understand that, then you probably have some serious growing up to do.

Furthermore THE PERRY FANS have always RESPECTED & SUPPORTED Perry for "whatever decision" HE made in regards to coming to the WOF, or any other decisions he makes in regards to his life.

Great. Well, he currently has "decided" to have absolutely nothing to do anymore with Journey so why don't u respect his decision and and get the fuck out of here.

[ohsherrie]

Thanks PF. I found the comments this writer made interesting. Especially in that it's another indication that very few people think of this version of Journey being the REAL JOURNEY without Steve at the helm.

[yak]

Congratulations Lori on not just copy and pasting this time around, but actually expressing an opinion even if I don't agree with it.

It is clear that Neal only invited Perry to sing with Journey in order to make HIMSELF look good in front of all the fans & media. It had NOTHING to do with "real genuine sincerity" in really wanting Perry to be there to perform with Journey. Lori

Perhaps Neal did this JUST to show the world that Mr. Perry has two sides...you know...says one thing..then does another.

Perry lied on camera when he said "You never know," when he 'knows' darn well that he will NEVER sing with Journey again!

The biggest offer Neal could give...he gave...asked King Tut to sit in...that way, when Perry doesn't show up, the show will still go on.

[jrnyman28]

I find that Neal has a very poor memory of the past 7 years of HIM bashing Perry publicly. Neal looked like a "big hypocrit" standing there with his arms draped around Perry at the WOF.

I don't believe it has anything to do with his memory...I am pretty sure it only means that Neal has put it behind him.

It is clear that Neal only invited Perry to sing with Journey in order to make HIMSELF look good in front of all the fans & media.

Clear to YOU because that is what you WANT to believe. To be honest, you and I have absolutley NO idea why Neal did this. I want to believe that he was honest and sincere. The reason I feel that to be true is simple: Neal has always shot from the heart, not the head. He is impulsive. His past shows that he does not usually think before he speaks. That has always been my biggest gripe with Neal, that he should NOT be the 'spokesperson' for the band.

However, IF Neal did this in order to help his and Journey's image...BRAVO! Someone must have taught Neal something. As I have said before, it seems that Neal is doing much better with the PR in general. If he has graduated to manipulating the press than I am impressed. Apparantly you CAN teach an old dog new tricks. (But to be clear, this is all tongue-in-cheek. I do not believe Neal has learned anything. I believe he has gotten over it and let it go!)

It had NOTHING to do with "real genuine sincerity" in really wanting Perry to be there to perform with Journey.

YOU do not know that! You WANT to believe that! That is your OPINION and you should state it as such.

My gosh, Neal spent all those times bashing Perry in his interviews

He was asked how he felt about Perry and the situation (which he knows more about than ANY of us!!) and he replied honestly. To "bash" sounds like there is an ulterior motive and malice of forethough. I do not think Neal has that. Again, I believe Neal does not think before he speaks and therefore responds honestly! You call it bashinf because you do not want to believe what Neal says. But you have no way of knowing that his is not the truth.

& then SUDDENLY right before the WOF, HE goes on the radio & says, "He misses Perry". I find that to be hilarious of Neal!

It has been reported MANY times in the past SEVERAL years that Perry has an open invitation to sit in with the band. Perry-only fans have been using that fact as PROOF that Journey "knows" they cannot succeed without Perry. Now you are trying to use it as proof that Neal is manipulating the press to improve his image. The closest thing to fact is that this is one of the first times Journey/Neal have had access to TELEVISION AIR TIME!

Perry stated on the Fan Asylum interview that HE made his OWN DECISION to come to the WOF, and it had nothing to do with anyone else's comments or opinions. Not his exact words, but something like that.

And?
If anything, that just illustrates that Perry is his own man and will not be swayed to make decisions by anyone else. I would be willing to bet that Neal knows that. But he probably felt that it couldn't hurt to ask Perry in front of a camera anyway.

Like Yak said, it IS possible that Neal knew that Perry would not take him up on the offer and Neal wanted the world to see that. But I doubt Neal gave it any thought. I believe he probably just asked because he figured it was the best time to do it...face to face, in person instead of through lawyers and representatives.

Furthermore THE PERRY FANS have always RESPECTED & SUPPORTED Perry for "whatever decision" HE made in regards to coming to the WOF, or any other decisions he makes in regards to his life.

But you have ALL had your theories as to why he shouldn't show up. Many of you have loudly voiced that Perry would NEVER show up at something like that since it 'would' lend credibility to the continuing Journey.

It is the "fans of the current line up" "who heavily critzise Perry",

I would say it is fans of the BAND CALLED JOURNEY. But I would agree that "we" 'criticize' Perry from time to time. Do you know why? For the same reason "we" can criticize Journey...they are NOT PERFECT. They MAKE MISTAKES. And as FANS of Journey AND OF PERRY, "we" feel it is appropriate to point out how "we" feel, in the hopes that Perry and/or Journey do not continue to disappoint their FANS. "We" are not blinded by idolatry..."we" are realistic. And as fans, "we" feel it is just as much our RIGHT to discuss the things that concern us. As much as "we" praise what "we" like, "we" criticize what "we" do not. At least "we" are honest and hold no false illusions.

so could it be more possible that Perry's appearance at HWOF has really flown in the face of the "fans of the current line up" beliefs of the man.

I admit that it was not what I expected. I said all along that I did not think he would show up. But I also said that I thought he SHOULD show up. Therefore, I am very pleased that Perry was there to accept the honor alongside all the others involved. It goes further to illustrate that this honor was about EVERY member of Journey...not just ONE. Even Perry appears to realize that.

That is the FANS who heavily bash & critizise him.

See above thoughts on the terms "bash" and "criticize". I think you misuse "bash" and I do not see what is wrong with criticism. It is constructive. I have almost be banned from BT for criticizing Journey. And I also criticize Perry. Tell me what is wrong with that.


I think this is a much better post from you, Lori. I do not want you to think I am 'bashin' you for your 'beliefs'. I am simply taking your points and showing you my take on this. Like Yak said, I may not agree, but I accept your views.

[jrnyman28]

The way you posted this Dave, it makes it look like the line FROM THE ARTICLE is my quote. Of course it is not. I did not make any comment about this article at all.

I see that now. That was not might intent.
However, knowing your feelings on the subject, I felt you were probably posting that section of the interview because it somehow validates your feelings that 'everyone' feels like Perry will walk back in and Neal would drop everything for him. Just like OhSherrie posted.

However, Neal has been asked this and his response has been pretty specific...no one in this band is going anywhere. If Perry chooses to join Journey, it would not be a full-time permanent thing.

[PROPERRY]

I find that Neal has a very poor memory of the past 7 years of HIM bashing Perry publicly. Neal looked like a "big hypocrit" standing there with his arms draped around Perry at the WOF.

No, he didn't. Herbie bashed every single member of the the band in his notorious interview, and yet his relationship with Neal remains very much like that of father & son. You can speak honestly about someone and still have fond thoughts about them. Neal is on record saying Perry was very controlling, but is that to say that him and Neal and Ross didn't spend some of the most wonderful and cherished time of their lives together? Of course not.

According to your flawed logic, Perry must have then looked like a huge hypocrit for hugging Ross and Smitty on account of him firing them for being unequipped and unqualified for the job during ROR.

My gosh, Neal spent all those times bashing Perry in his interviews & then SUDDENLY right before the WOF, HE goes on the radio & says, "He misses Perry". I find that to be hilarious of Neal!

I don't. As I already stated, you can speak honestly about someone and still think fondly about them. Ever see an old friend that you haven't seen in years, especially one you might not have gotten along so well with back in the day? All of the old grudges and trivial quarrels melt right then and there. If you can't understand that, then you probably have some serious growing up to do.

Furthermore THE PERRY FANS have always RESPECTED & SUPPORTED Perry for "whatever decision" HE made in regards to coming to the WOF, or any other decisions he makes in regards to his life.

Great. Well, he currently has "decided" to have absolutely nothing to do anymore with Journey so why don't u respect his decision and and get the fuck out of here.

NC,

I know this real difficult for you to understand, but this is a message board where anyone can post their OWN views & opinions, even if you don't like what others have to say, so deal with it.

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

I find that Neal has a very poor memory of the past 7 years of HIM bashing Perry publicly. Neal looked like a "big hypocrit" standing there with his arms draped around Perry at the WOF.

No, he didn't. Herbie bashed every single member of the the band in his notorious interview, and yet his relationship with Neal remains very much like that of father & son. You can speak honestly about someone and still have fond thoughts about them. Neal is on record saying Perry was very controlling, but is that to say that him and Neal and Ross didn't spend some of the most wonderful and cherished time of their lives together? Of course not.

According to your flawed logic, Perry must have then looked like a huge hypocrit for hugging Ross and Smitty on account of him firing them for being unequipped and unqualified for the job during ROR.

My gosh, Neal spent all those times bashing Perry in his interviews & then SUDDENLY right before the WOF, HE goes on the radio & says, "He misses Perry". I find that to be hilarious of Neal!

I don't. As I already stated, you can speak honestly about someone and still think fondly about them. Ever see an old friend that you haven't seen in years, especially one you might not have gotten along so well with back in the day? All of the old grudges and trivial quarrels melt right then and there. If you can't understand that, then you probably have some serious growing up to do.

Furthermore THE PERRY FANS have always RESPECTED & SUPPORTED Perry for "whatever decision" HE made in regards to coming to the WOF, or any other decisions he makes in regards to his life.

Great. Well, he currently has "decided" to have absolutely nothing to do anymore with Journey so why don't u respect his decision and and get the fuck out of here.

NC,

I know this real difficult for you to understand, but this is a message board where anyone can post their OWN views & opinions, even if you don't like what others have to say, so deal with it.

Lori

Typical deflective"skirting the issue" response from the Perry-brainwashed who can't (and clearly won't) even try to defend her own baseless argument.
You made some villifying claims about Neal and I responded.
Now why don't you refute what I said?
I made some very cogent points in the above post to you regading Neal and why he possibly feels and acts the way he does.
Too bad you failed to reply to a single damn one of them!
If your argument held water, you would stand behind it, defend it and prove me wrong.
Too bad you don't, because you know you can't!
It's fundamentally flawed, largely due in part because it was written not so much by a "thinking" person (capable of making concessions), but rather by an anti-Neal automaton that fluctuates solely between two settings; "kill" or "bash".
Go have another sip of your cool aid and leave the real discussion to the big boys, ok?

[Rockindeano]

Come on, NC?! You should know better!

Kool Aid is with a "K" not a "C."

Back to the real issue.

If I were the writer of that article, I would write the same exact thing. The perry name does travel well, and spiced up the ending.


As far as the lame as plain idiofuckinotic Lori, what else can possibly be said to describe "her?"

[PROPERRY]

I find that Neal has a very poor memory of the past 7 years of HIM bashing Perry publicly. Neal looked like a "big hypocrit" standing there with his arms draped around Perry at the WOF.

I don't believe it has anything to do with his memory...I am pretty sure it only means that Neal has put it behind him.

It is clear that Neal only invited Perry to sing with Journey in order to make HIMSELF look good in front of all the fans & media.

Clear to YOU because that is what you WANT to believe. To be honest, you and I have absolutley NO idea why Neal did this. I want to believe that he was honest and sincere. The reason I feel that to be true is simple: Neal has always shot from the heart, not the head. He is impulsive. His past shows that he does not usually think before he speaks. That has always been my biggest gripe with Neal, that he should NOT be the 'spokesperson' for the band.

However, IF Neal did this in order to help his and Journey's image...BRAVO! Someone must have taught Neal something. As I have said before, it seems that Neal is doing much better with the PR in general. If he has graduated to manipulating the press than I am impressed. Apparantly you CAN teach an old dog new tricks. (But to be clear, this is all tongue-in-cheek. I do not believe Neal has learned anything. I believe he has gotten over it and let it go!)

It had NOTHING to do with "real genuine sincerity" in really wanting Perry to be there to perform with Journey.

YOU do not know that! You WANT to believe that! That is your OPINION and you should state it as such.

My gosh, Neal spent all those times bashing Perry in his interviews

He was asked how he felt about Perry and the situation (which he knows more about than ANY of us!!) and he replied honestly. To "bash" sounds like there is an ulterior motive and malice of forethough. I do not think Neal has that. Again, I believe Neal does not think before he speaks and therefore responds honestly! You call it bashinf because you do not want to believe what Neal says. But you have no way of knowing that his is not the truth.

& then SUDDENLY right before the WOF, HE goes on the radio & says, "He misses Perry". I find that to be hilarious of Neal!

It has been reported MANY times in the past SEVERAL years that Perry has an open invitation to sit in with the band. Perry-only fans have been using that fact as PROOF that Journey "knows" they cannot succeed without Perry. Now you are trying to use it as proof that Neal is manipulating the press to improve his image. The closest thing to fact is that this is one of the first times Journey/Neal have had access to TELEVISION AIR TIME!

Perry stated on the Fan Asylum interview that HE made his OWN DECISION to come to the WOF, and it had nothing to do with anyone else's comments or opinions. Not his exact words, but something like that.

And?
If anything, that just illustrates that Perry is his own man and will not be swayed to make decisions by anyone else. I would be willing to bet that Neal knows that. But he probably felt that it couldn't hurt to ask Perry in front of a camera anyway.

Like Yak said, it IS possible that Neal knew that Perry would not take him up on the offer and Neal wanted the world to see that. But I doubt Neal gave it any thought. I believe he probably just asked because he figured it was the best time to do it...face to face, in person instead of through lawyers and representatives.

Furthermore THE PERRY FANS have always RESPECTED & SUPPORTED Perry for "whatever decision" HE made in regards to coming to the WOF, or any other decisions he makes in regards to his life.

But you have ALL had your theories as to why he shouldn't show up. Many of you have loudly voiced that Perry would NEVER show up at something like that since it 'would' lend credibility to the continuing Journey.

It is the "fans of the current line up" "who heavily critzise Perry",

I would say it is fans of the BAND CALLED JOURNEY. But I would agree that "we" 'criticize' Perry from time to time. Do you know why? For the same reason "we" can criticize Journey...they are NOT PERFECT. They MAKE MISTAKES. And as FANS of Journey AND OF PERRY, "we" feel it is appropriate to point out how "we" feel, in the hopes that Perry and/or Journey do not continue to disappoint their FANS. "We" are not blinded by idolatry..."we" are realistic. And as fans, "we" feel it is just as much our RIGHT to discuss the things that concern us. As much as "we" praise what "we" like, "we" criticize what "we" do not. At least "we" are honest and hold no false illusions.

so could it be more possible that Perry's appearance at HWOF has really flown in the face of the "fans of the current line up" beliefs of the man.

I admit that it was not what I expected. I said all along that I did not think he would show up. But I also said that I thought he SHOULD show up. Therefore, I am very pleased that Perry was there to accept the honor alongside all the others involved. It goes further to illustrate that this honor was about EVERY member of Journey...not just ONE. Even Perry appears to realize that.

That is the FANS who heavily bash & critizise him.

See above thoughts on the terms "bash" and "criticize". I think you misuse "bash" and I do not see what is wrong with criticism. It is constructive. I have almost be banned from BT for criticizing Journey. And I also criticize Perry. Tell me what is wrong with that.


I think this is a much better post from you, Lori. I do not want you to think I am 'bashin' you for your 'beliefs'. I am simply taking your points and showing you my take on this. Like Yak said, I may not agree, but I accept your views.

Although I don't agree with your opinions, I do thank you Jrnyman for expressing your views & opinions WITHOUT the name calling like the "other boys" have resorted to here.

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

Although I don't agree with your opinions, I do thank you Jrnyman for expressing your views & opinions WITHOUT the name calling like the "other boys" have resorted to here.

Lori

My comments still stand to you, Lori.
You made some villifying remarks about Neal and I responded accordingly.
Why don't you even *attempt* to refute what I said?
Is it that you know your argument has as many holes as swiss cheese?
Noticeably, you didn't attempt to controvert Jrnyman's valid points to you, either.
I wonder why that could be?

Witness the behavior in action, folks.
Typical yellow-bellied evasional tactics from the Perry-braindead.
Log in to the board, throw some bombs and then high tail it straight out of town!

[jrnyman28]

Noticeably, you didn't attempt to controvert Jrnyman's valid points to you, either.

I, too, was looking forward to a rebuttal. But we all know that neither "side" will bend so I guess it is too much too ask for.