What a fucking embarrassment to the world's greatest band...

[OpeningAct]

Even the fucking band must be cringing after this fucking embarrassing post...oh...and what a surprise, it's on backtalk....the communist forum if ever there was one.

It just makes me appreciate Andrew all the more...


http://www.journeymusic.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/008299.html

[Argus]

Even the fucking band must be cringing after this fucking embarrassing post...oh...and what a surprise, it's on backtalk....the communist forum if ever there was one.

It just makes me appreciate Andrew all the more...


http://www.journeymusic.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/008299.html

Hi Joe

[Rockindeano]

Joe- I like your posts and this one? Well, let's just say that the people over "there" are good fans, but it's just too "rah rah" for me. Neal could play the wrong notes on a song and they would think it was the best shred by far. Come to think of it though, Neal never plays the wrong notes..but you get my drift.


Andrew's site is awesome and I wish he would come over here and party with North American folks... Maybe he doesn't because we talk funny,or something??

[Eric]

I was recently banned from posting on Back Talk because I took exception to being criticized for bemoaning my erroneous purchase of a VIP package after seeing how much the mark-up was. I bought without looking, then saw it was like a $50 mark-up for a T-shirt and a poster (which guys don't care about frankly). No offense - but it is not hard to get good seats for a Journey concert FYI...I probably did better buying on my own for Darien than buying VIP for SPAC. I have never had an issue getting great seats for a Journey show, or almost any show for that matter. I mean, SPAC seats are $35...and I paid $85 like a dope. I am first row, center, second section on the aisle for the Darien Lake show for $45...the $95 VIP ticket may or may not be better than that....if it is row 20, not on the aisle, that is not a great seat IMO.
I do realize that the band draws better in some regions than others, but in this region they are not exactly the Rolling Stone, a Led Zeppelin reunion or even Journey of 1983. They obviously do well, or else they wouldn't be able to continue each year (hear that Naysayers), but they aren't as big as some of us seem to think.

But to be honest, Back Talk is a marketing tool for the band so I actually agree with the moderators decision. They do a real nice job over there for the most part, and you can't argue that it is a fantastic pool of information for us rabid fans...plus the overall website is pretty solid. That combined with Andrew's site is a knockout.

However, some of the dopey rah-rah Koolaid posts are embarrassing - and I know for a fact they turn off the random fan surfing around. I find it impossible often times to be critical without being overly negative..bordering on mean - therefore I cannot articulate very well my points to that crowd. For example, I had a concern that if Journey continued to play the Fair circuit that they would gain an unfair stigma from the media and general public - of being a "Fair band". The Rah-Rah crowd takes that to mean I hate Journey and I think they are just a fair band. It is frustrating to discuss anything...it all has to be sugar coated.

[NealIsGod]

Wow, they kind of remind me of the fans who sit outside at the Michael Jackson trial and release a dove for every count of "not guilty". I love Journey, but not to the sociopathic point of those people. They give me the creeps.

[LAWoman]

I don't see how the excitement on BT is any different than the people who tailgate for football games or paint themselve the colors of their sports team or who plan a big event for Superbowl and deck everything out in their team's insignia.

As for the VIP ticket issue someone else brought up--it is certainly anyone's option to buy that package or not. So if you don't want to spend the money, then don't spend the money. I bought it for one show and took my changes at tickets for others. I think in most people's reasoning, the point of the VIP is to get in the first 10 rows. It does appear to me that the VIP package is cutting down on brokers at least in the shows that I have checked on.

[NealIsGod]

[quote="LAWoman"]I don't see how the excitement on BT is any different than the people who tailgate for football games or paint themselve the colors of their sports team or who plan a big event for Superbowl and deck everything out in their team's insignia. [/quote]

Ah, are you one of them? I have no problem with people being manically excited for Journey, just as I have no problem with the people who paint their faces and spend their paychecks on overpriced team apparel. They just aren't the kind of people I relate to.

[jrnyman28]

Is it the travelling flag idea that bothers you? Or is there another post within this thread that is the problem?

[jrnyman28]

I was recently banned from posting on Back Talk because I took exception to being criticized for bemoaning my erroneous purchase of a VIP package after seeing how much the mark-up was.

I saw that post, I replied to it as well. In fact, I was a little blunt about it. SO if I somehow contributed to you being banned, I apologize. I do not agree with banning anyone for being critical. I DID mention that if you felt it was too much, you shouldn't have bought it. After all, there had been a couple of announcements concerning the contents of the packages. The information was definately out there.

But to be honest, Back Talk is a marketing tool for the band so I actually agree with the moderators decision. They do a real nice job over there for the most part, and you can't argue that it is a fantastic pool of information for us rabid fans...plus the overall website is pretty solid. That combined with Andrew's site is a knockout.

Back Talk is a good place for info...but the actually website is not. Notice that Andrew has posted more relevant updates on his news page that Journey has. But you are correct that the mods do a relatively good job and that BT is a marketing tool.

However, some of the dopey rah-rah Koolaid posts are embarrassing - and I know for a fact they turn off the random fan surfing around.

ABSOLUTELY!! You cannot say anything critical without being attacked for it by someone. I know several VERY DEVOTED Journey fans who basically boycotted BT for a LONG time, and now only visit occassionally, for that very reason. SOme have been banned before, others just quit posting. It is a shame that BT is willing to 'offend' some of Journey's most ardent (yet realistic) supporters.

I find it impossible often times to be critical without being overly negative..bordering on mean - therefore I cannot articulate very well my points to that crowd.

That is probably the real issue...learning how to be critical without pissing someone else off. What sucks, is having to preface a critical remark with something like "Now I am a huge fan of..." Just like we have to do when talking critically about Perry (I am the biggest Perry fan but...). It is sad that people cannot be more grown up about others' opinions.

The Rah-Rah crowd takes that to mean I hate Journey and I think they are just a fair band. It is frustrating to discuss anything...it all has to be sugar coated.

Ain't it the truth.

[jrnyman28]

I was recently banned from posting on Back Talk because I took exception to being criticized for bemoaning my erroneous purchase of a VIP package after seeing how much the mark-up was.

I saw that post, I replied to it as well. In fact, I was a little blunt about it. SO if I somehow contributed to you being banned, I apologize. I do not agree with banning anyone for being critical. I DID mention that if you felt it was too much, you shouldn't have bought it. After all, there had been a couple of announcements concerning the contents of the packages. The information was definately out there.

But to be honest, Back Talk is a marketing tool for the band so I actually agree with the moderators decision. They do a real nice job over there for the most part, and you can't argue that it is a fantastic pool of information for us rabid fans...plus the overall website is pretty solid. That combined with Andrew's site is a knockout.

Back Talk is a good place for info...but the actually website is not. Notice that Andrew has posted more relevant updates on his news page that Journey has. But you are correct that the mods do a relatively good job and that BT is a marketing tool.

However, some of the dopey rah-rah Koolaid posts are embarrassing - and I know for a fact they turn off the random fan surfing around.

ABSOLUTELY!! You cannot say anything critical without being attacked for it by someone. I know several VERY DEVOTED Journey fans who basically boycotted BT for a LONG time, and now only visit occassionally, for that very reason. SOme have been banned before, others just quit posting. It is a shame that BT is willing to 'offend' some of Journey's most ardent (yet realistic) supporters.

I find it impossible often times to be critical without being overly negative..bordering on mean - therefore I cannot articulate very well my points to that crowd.

That is probably the real issue...learning how to be critical without pissing someone else off. What sucks, is having to preface a critical remark with something like "Now I am a huge fan of..." Just like we have to do when talking critically about Perry (I am the biggest Perry fan but...). It is sad that people cannot be more grown up about others' opinions.

The Rah-Rah crowd takes that to mean I hate Journey and I think they are just a fair band. It is frustrating to discuss anything...it all has to be sugar coated.

Ain't it the truth.

[NealIsGod]

I have only checked out BT a few times, but it seems to be a bunch of middle aged women gushing over how cute Steve Augeri is. The sigs they use are just so weird. Just waaaaaaaaaay too fanatical for me.

melodicrock.com is where it's at.

[Eric]

jrnyman28:

I actually thought you were a little too blunt - but you deserve to be if you want to be. You had nothing to do with it really...and your posts are usually some of the best I read. My follow-up was very angry about not being able to express myself freely - that is what got me banned.

I just wanted to express that I made a mistake buying the VIP - and that IMO the VIP was a rip-off for the shows I was going to. You are all correct in that nobody is pointing a gun at my head though. I was just SHOCKED when I saw how cheap the tix were, I just figured that if the VIP were $95 then the tix must be $60-$70....but then I saw the $35 and I just about fainted...I have never felt so dumb.

I still like Back Talk for information and I do miss posting, but this is a great forum as well.

Eric

[Andrew]

Definitely don't want to get into any BT bashing here - I post there myself sometimes....but glad you enjoy these forums anyway.

[jrnyman28]

You had nothing to do with it really...and your posts are usually some of the best I read.

Thank you.

My follow-up was very angry about not being able to express myself freely - that is what got me banned.


I still like Back Talk for information and I do miss posting, but this is a great forum as well.

Eric

Just email the mods. A lot of times they do a 'suspension' where they have banned you for 3 days. If you still want to post there, simply ask if they will re-instate you.

[LAWoman]

I don't see how the excitement on BT is any different than the people who tailgate for football games or paint themselve the colors of their sports team or who plan a big event for Superbowl and deck everything out in their team's insignia.

Ah, are you one of them? I have no problem with people being manically excited for Journey, just as I have no problem with the people who paint their faces and spend their paychecks on overpriced team apparel. They just aren't the kind of people I relate to.

Am I into painting myself for the Superbowl? No, but if someone wants to I don't see what the problem is. I am not sure why you'd use the word "manic" to describe anything that goes on over at BT. People have all kinds of hobbies--some do civil war re-enactments, some spend lots of time following sports, some collect things. What's the point of the hobby if you have no enthusiasm about it.

With so many problems in this world of an actual serious nature, I'm not sure what is to gain in mocking people who seem to be positive about something. If you don't like it, don't read the posts. They are not hurting anyone, are they?

[swwskj]

This coming from a guy with a waving flag as an avatar.

Why knock someones enthusiasm? An original idea, whether you consider it lame or not.

My cup of tea? No. But to call it an embarassment is a bit extreme. To each his/her own.

Scott

[OpeningAct]

This coming from a guy with a waving flag as an avatar.

Why knock someones enthusiasm? An original idea, whether you consider it lame or not.

My cup of tea? No. But to call it an embarassment is a bit extreme. To each his/her own.

Scott

Oh, THAT'S a good analogy... The difference is, I don't plan on bringing a flag to a Journey show to pass along...too friggin weird for me.
I'm VERY enthusiastic at a Journey concert, and yes, I do think that entire thread is embarrassing. Just my opinion. And you are right swwskj, to each his/her own. but I still find my many of the Backtalkers to be extremely creepy and mean-spirited, particularly if you don't agree with them.

[OpeningAct]

I don't see how the excitement on BT is any different than the people who tailgate for football games or paint themselve the colors of their sports team or who plan a big event for Superbowl and deck everything out in their team's insignia.

Ah, are you one of them? I have no problem with people being manically excited for Journey, just as I have no problem with the people who paint their faces and spend their paychecks on overpriced team apparel. They just aren't the kind of people I relate to.

Am I into painting myself for the Superbowl? No, but if someone wants to I don't see what the problem is. I am not sure why you'd use the word "manic" to describe anything that goes on over at BT. People have all kinds of hobbies--some do civil war re-enactments, some spend lots of time following sports, some collect things. What's the point of the hobby if you have no enthusiasm about it.

With so many problems in this world of an actual serious nature, I'm not sure what is to gain in mocking people who seem to be positive about something. If you don't like it, don't read the posts. They are not hurting anyone, are they?

Why are you bringing the problems of the world into this Babs? This isn't the UN. Babs, you wouldn't make a negative comment about BT in a million years anyway. I know you are an intelligent person, but if you see nothing manic about many of the posts at BT - which I truly doubt - then I can only come to the conclusion that you are being less than sincere as not to piss off anyone (maybe the moderators?) at BT.

[NealIsGod]

[quote="LAWoman"]Am I into painting myself for the Superbowl? No, but if someone wants to I don't see what the problem is. I am not sure why you'd use the word "manic" to describe anything that goes on over at BT. People have all kinds of hobbies--some do civil war re-enactments, some spend lots of time following sports, some collect things. What's the point of the hobby if you have no enthusiasm about it.

With so many problems in this world of an actual serious nature, I'm not sure what is to gain in mocking people who seem to be positive about something. If you don't like it, don't read the posts. They are not hurting anyone, are they?[quote="LAWoman"]

LAWoman, if you took time to actually read my post, I said I have no problem with it. I just don't relate to it. I don't mock anyone. All I said is some of those people give me the creeps. Here's an example. Read this "cry for help" that someone uses as a sig on BT:

Steve, I can't live without you!

Journey means YOU to me.
You reminded me that I love rock music so much.
It's just like you found what you really wanted to do
when you met Neal and Jon first time.
I love and thank you all the time.

I've found the sun in you,
I live and breathe.

[LAWoman]

The people posting in the BT thread are a bunch of people to whom Journey means alot and they are very enthusiastic. If someone thinks it's stupid or over-the-top, then don't read it. Who are they hurting? I just don't see what a person gains by going to another net site and sitting up on a high-horse mocking people on another site. It's juvenile. I've met many of the people posting in that thread and I can tell you they are perfectly normal, have jobs, families, responsibilities, etc. This is one outlet for them to have some fun once in a rare while. You're only seeing your own negativity reflecting back if it bothers you so.

[yak]

At least the BT crowd isn't consistently attempting to antagonize the other side, like posters do on some "other" websites. To each his/her own.

NOT trying to censor anything but the real embarrassment I see here is the "F" word used in the thread headline. Andrew runs a great site here. I just didn't think the thread needs a word like that up front...I got what you were saying without it. But hey, to each his own.

[NealIsGod]

LAWoman, I can state my opinion here if I like. Believe me, I am being very diplomatic when I say "I can't relate" to that kind of fan. I have not mocked them. There are various degrees of fans in music, sports, everything. I HAVE NO PROBLEM with people being enthusiastic with things they are interested in. I HAVE NO PROBLEM with someone making a flag out of their tattoo and having Journey fans sign it and getting it to the band. If they enjoy it, fine. All I have ever said is I prefer the posts of the fans who frequents these boards over the overly enthusiastic and manic (IMO) posts of the people at BackTalk. I also said I have only been there a few times b/c I don't enjoy reading that rah rah stuff. It seems very sanitized and uninteresting to me. I only checked it out this time b/c this thread directed me to it. Since you are one of the BT people (as is jrnyman28, whose posts I greatly respect and enjoy reading), I am sorry if I offended you. I am not a negative person, as you have tried to represent me. Look back at my posts if you don't believe me. I just like REAL opinions, whether they are critical or positive. The posts on BT don't represent all sides, which I have found out from other posters on this board. Again, sorry if my opinion offends you, but I am entitled to it.

[NealIsGod]

I agree with you, yak. The first post was a little over the top, but to each his own.

[Argus]

I agree with you, yak. The first post was a little over the top, but to each his own.

It's a signature post from Joe-banned-everywhere-and-even-here. Again, Hi Joe

[Andrew]

At least the BT crowd isn't consistently attempting to antagonize the other side, like posters do on some "other" websites.

That's funny!
As for the F word, I do agree it's better kept out of post titles.

[perryfaithful]

Just email the mods. A lot of times they do a 'suspension' where they have banned you for 3 days. If you still want to post there, simply ask if they will re-instate you.

How f'n Nursery School is this? Geez.....

[jrnyman28]

Just email the mods. A lot of times they do a 'suspension' where they have banned you for 3 days. If you still want to post there, simply ask if they will re-instate you.

How f'n Nursery School is this? Geez.....

To be honest, MANY forums have this policy. It is just that BT does not tell you this. I belong to several sites that have similar policies of revoking your posting priveledges for several days...but usually there is a warning involved.

Also, the mods are human and do make mistakes from time to time. They might act hastily or without full knowledge of a situation. It happens.

SO...if Eric wishes to continue posting at BT, he can email the mods. If he is pissed off about what happened, or doesn't really care, he can let it go. At least BT doesn't just shut down, like VH1 did! Remember that...no word, no warning, just BuBYE!

[OpeningAct]

At least the BT crowd isn't consistently attempting to antagonize the other side, like posters do on some "other" websites.

That's funny!
As for the F word, I do agree it's better kept out of post titles.

In hindsight, very bad taste on my part...I apologize.

[NealIsGod]

Hey, Opening Act, we're all adults here. We've all heard those words before! No problem!