What's up with Journey?

[St.George]

I don't know what's going on with this band but it's obvious something's happening. Not only in this messageboard, but almost in every other where a JRNY discussion takes place. The fans are divided in two groups always: radicals and moaners.

From my point of view, what I mentioned above are clearly symptoms which show the band is not the same. "The pot is always stirred" and that means that all of their fans are not happy, otherwise those rumbles wouldn't take place.

I have heard their latter album, "Generations". From my point of view, it's a piece of crap from track#4 (included) onwards. But that's my point of view. But I think I would be objective if I say that it's not on a JRNY level. The track sung by Valory could be considered a sin; the rest of the album is far too easy and predictable. I think I prefer them to call it quits worthily, before they continue smearing their legacy.

It's obvious that Journey is no longer the same. They lost youth (is there anyone younger than 40 in the 2001 DVD?), craftmanship, audacity and freshness. And I do not pretend to offend anyone with my opinion, nor I want to stir the pot more than it already is. Just want to say that it's painful for some fans to see a legendary band falling in...

Leave before it's too late...

[Rockindeano]

Get the Fuck out of here then, you worthless stack of shit.

You are a goddamned troll...Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about..Generations is awesome..

By your reasoning, Springsteen, McCartney, The Rolling Stones, ZZTop, Petty and the Heartbreakers, Styx, REO, U2, The Eagles and a bunch of others are shit too; because they are over 40...

I hope you hit a fuckin' tree on your way home from happy hour..


Before I am nailed to a cross or something, instead of reprimanding me for "abuse" one has to look at this guy..He is not here to contribute, he is here to annoy and flame...I stand by what I said. Hopefully Andrew will let freedom of speech prevail here....

[mnmsjrny]

They lost youth (is there anyone younger than 40 in the 2001 DVD?).

Umm... yes, both in the audience and on stage. Hell, I was still under 35 when they shot that and Deen won't be 40 until next month.

Too bad your post rambled down to silliness... your opening paragraph would have otherwise been worth some discussion.

[St.George]

Hmmm! Look what we've got here... 2 RADICALS!!!

LMAO...

Well, in relation to reply #1 I'm not going to say anything as I don't have the ability to talk to animals.

As long as post #2 is concerned, I obviously meant the "VIBE" (I can't believe that somebody took my statement in such a literal way). What I meant was that the *VIBE* is not the same. It's LUDICROUS to see that during the whole concert the ppl is either embraced during the ballads or clapping hands over the rockers, at most. Check some other earlier JRNY concerts to see what I mean. I guess you will figure it out...


BTW, Springsteen (Game Over), McCartney (Finished), The Rolling Stones (Mummys), ZZTop (Where are they now?), Petty and the Heartbreakers (Pretty decent, though), Styx (Are they joking? This case is worse than Journey's, lol), REO (Not too bad in studio; better not to comment live) , U2 (always overrated, but they ROCK, anyway), The Eagles (crap for retired; just a stinky nostalgia act.)... It's a shame for these bands to still stay on the road. The opportunism of most of them just STINK. They should retire decently...

[LAWoman]

Hmmmm. Sombody wishes Journey weren't doing so well, apparently. Near sell-outs for Irvine & Chula Vista. Sell-out for Tucson. Nice reviews at BT, nice reviews on Melodicrock, nice reviews in the newspaper.

By Journey not being the same--you mean as when, 1980? Of course they are not the same. Nothing stays the same. Are you the same as last year? If you are not growing and changing, you are probably dead. Change is good--and particularly if you are afraid of the change (as you seem to be), you should embrace it.

[NealIsGod]

Thanks for filling us in, St. George. Let's clear out all the oldies and make room for Britney, Xtina, 50 Cent, Usher, and the rest of the new acts who don't have as much talent in their whole bodies as any of the acts you named have in their drummer's pinkies.

[St.George]

Well Nealisgod...

Your point, though sarcastic and quite demagogic, was quite good. Of course, I'm not talking about talent, here. I prefer the crappiest Journey song better than the rubbish you mention. What I want to say is I don't want to see legendary bands like JRNY dragging their arses turned out into a nostalgia act. They have a LEGEND status; that's what I mean. I don't want them to turn into a joke, understood? I'm not talking about talent, here. I miss talented artists nowadays, too.

It's worth of praise the thing Steve Perry did when he retired. It's sad, I know but it's a pretty clever move because that way everyone will have a good memory of him as a singer. He doesn't need to prostitute himself or ruin the legacy of the band for a few dollars (For instance, What the f*ck is DeYoung doing? ShameShameShame...!)

[St.George]

LAWoman,

Change is good... as long as you don't get worse! D'you know what I mean?

BTW, the examples you gave me are not objective. BT is formed by an amount of boolickers who approve every single thing done by the band, no matter if it's a turd or not. Newspapers: well, I've seen mixed reviews... remember that one which said the people were abandoning the concert when the band were playing new songs?

[NealIsGod]

Perry is singing on a David Pack CD coming out in August. In a recent interview, Perry said he is just this year released from contracts that will enable him to do what he wants. So he is not retired. And I am sure he can still sing circles around any of "today's artists."

[heardonthestreet]

Greetings St. George! Right on.!

You got that right, NIG!

[Rockindeano]

I am an animal? Oh ok dude. I like the way LAWoman and Nealisgod responds, I really do, and I can do that in real, normal life; but here, in a fictitional world, Hell no!

Sorry, NIG, Jrnyman28, TNC, Eric, LAWoman..someone here needs to put the hammer down on these nags and bitches...

[The_Noble_Cause]

I have heard their latter album, "Generations". From my point of view, it's a piece of crap from track#4 (included) onwards. But that's my point of view.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but let me just ask, where have you been for the last decade or so? "Generations" is the best Journey release since Frontiers or Escape, by far.
If you hold such strong objections with the musically ambitious "Generations", then I'd hate to see what you thought of the ballad-saturated, maudlin content of their past 3 largley-uninspired releases (ROR, TBF, and Arrival).

[NealIsGod]

True, TNC. IMO, Journey went down 10 notches with ROR, another 10 notches with TBF, then up 10 with Arrival, and up 20 with Generations. Good thing they cut the dead weight from the group...

[JourneyTroll]

True, TNC. IMO, Journey went down 10 notches with ROR, another 10 notches with TBF, then up 10 with Arrival, and up 20 with Generations. Good thing they cut the dead weight from the group...

I enjoy bands like The White Stripes, The Killers, Nine Inch Nails and Neil Diamond too!

Where can I listen to Generations? Are any of the songs being played on the radio?

Journeytroll

[The_Noble_Cause]

Where can I listen to Generations? Are any of the songs being played on the radio?

Fuck off, Troll.
You damn well know the answer to that question already.
You are just posing that question so you can segue into bashing the current lineup and have an excuse to say "A-ha! The Generations songs are clearly not as good as the Perry years because they are not on the radio".
By now, everyone here can see your dirty tricks coming from miles away.
Just go away.

[St.George]

The single ballad "When you love a woman" in the TBF album, just kick ass on everything the band has done over the last decade. I'm not too fond of that album, anyway, but pieces like "Message of Love" or "I can see it in your eyes" sound to me quite more inspiring and authentic. And the fillers in TBF are not that obvious as they are in their last 2 albums (WTF is "All the way"? is it a boyband song or something?). "Arrival" has pretty decent numbers, but from that album onwards they started to sound quite predictable in some songs.

In relation to ROR, it's pretty clear you're trying to provoke me or something like that. I ABSOLUTELY think that a person who thinks Generations is better than ROR (because it rocks more or any other reason whatsoever) is DEAF. Period.

I'll show you some proofs:
"Girl can't help it" - Classic
"Possitive Touch" - Classic
"Be good to yourself" - Classic
"Happy to give" - Classic
"Raised on radio" - Classic
"Why can't this night..." - Classic

There are no song in "Generations" (even if it's one of the 3 songs at the beginning of the album) liable to match, in terms of quality and IDENTITY, any of those mentioned above.

[yak]

Hmmmm. Sombody wishes Journey weren't doing so well, apparently. Near sell-outs for Irvine & Chula Vista. Sell-out for Tucson. Nice reviews at BT, nice reviews on Melodicrock, nice reviews in the newspaper.

Yes, LAWoman, that is exactly right! And Generations is an awesome CD! I think "St. George" (you might want to remove the "Saint" part of your name) is one of the other side's "fans" come back to wreak some havoc. Just haven't figured out which one yet......

SO obvious!

[Rockindeano]

I'll show you some proofs:
"Girl can't help it" - Classic
"Possitive Touch" - Classic
"Be good to yourself" - Classic
"Happy to give" - Classic
"Raised on radio" - Classic
"Why can't this night..." - Classic

There are no song in "Generations" (even if it's one of the 3 songs at the beginning of the album) liable to match, in terms of quality and IDENTITY, any of those mentioned above.

ROR, a classic? Dude, back away from the crackpipe. Sure it had a few pop numbers, Girl can't help it, Be Good 2 yourself, I'll be alright w/o you and Why Cant this night go on forever...but dude, "Positive Touch" is not a classic. Neither is Happy To Give or Suzanne.

Neal said Cain and Perry "wrote" that CD with time click, instead of a drummer or bassist...



By the way, from what I hear so far, Generations has no "Fillers."

[The_Noble_Cause]

The single ballad "When you love a woman" in the TBF album, just kick ass on everything has done over the last decade.

Puh-lease.
Don't buy into the hype.
Grammy nod aside, WYLAW is no better than any of Journey's countless other sappy ballads that have pockmarked their otherwise rockin' legacy. Granted, its a nice enough tune, but there is nothing even remotley innovative or fresh about it.

I'm not too fond of that album, but pieces like "Message of Love" or "I can see it in your eyes" sound to me quite more inspiring.

I like "Message of Love", I really do, but even the song's most ardent of supporters readily acknowledge that it sounds a heck of alot like Separate Ways redux. "Message of Love" inspired? Come again?

The fillers are not that obvious as they are in their last 2 albums (WTF is "All the way" is it a boyband song or something?).

"All the Way" is sappy, uninspired, pop drek of the ROR variety. I'd expect you to unquestioningly eat that maudlin slop right up from the trough.

"Arrival" has pretty decent numbers, but from that album onwards they started to sound quite predictable in some songs.

Yeah, their next release, "Red 13", was soooo darned predictable. That 7 minute long "State of Grace" and "The Time" were so obviously tailor made for top 40 radio. Oh, and that dark ballad on drug addiction, "Walkin Away from the Edge" was soo obvious an attempt from Journey to kow tow to the wishes of the mainstream listening masses.

In relation to ROR, it's pretty clear you're trying to provoke me or something like that.

No, I'm not. That particular album is commonly regarded in Journey fandom to be nothing more than a Steve Perry solo album. There is maybe 3 or 4 solid tracks to be found on it and the rest sounds like it could've came straight off of Perry's FTLOSM.

There are no song in "Generations" (even if it's one of the 3 songs at the beginning of the album) liable to match, in terms of quality and IDENTITY, any of those mentioned above.

As one rock critic said regarding ROR, that's when Journey officially crossed the line from rock to pop. They went from being a band that you could rock out to, to a band you would hear playing at the mall while shopping with your mom.

[JourneyTroll]

Where can I listen to Generations? Are any of the songs being played on the radio?

Fuck off, Troll.
You damn well know the answer to that question already.
You are just posing that question so you can segue into bashing the current lineup and have an excuse to say "A-ha! The Generations songs are clearly not as good as the Perry years because they are not on the radio".
By now, everyone here can see your dirty tricks coming from miles away.
Just go away.

Noblecause, this isn't your message board. Why do you have to swear when responding to a thread? Profanity must have been used commonly at your group home when you were younger.

I do not know where to listen to free samples or entire songs of Generations. What dirty tricks? Asking a question is a dirty trick? All you have to do is list where I can listen to Generations. Why not share the information instead of trying to silence me. I bet you are Rich over at Backtalk.

Journeytroll

Journeytroll

[St.George]

To yak&Co:

I can't stand that sh*t anymore. You keep always doin' the same strategy of "moniking" people as properrys... it sounds so victimistic from you, that it's pretty bashful.

And those are the unique arguments you use to defend the "new" JRNY. See it... you don't have any other arguments to say to anyone that thinks the opposite of what you think. It's always a perry-based discussion. But I'm talking about music, here...

"Remember me" was, for me, one of the biggest tunes the band has ever done. Better than many songs with Perry on the leads. I don't care who's on the leads as long as it's consistent.

So that's not the point...

[Rockindeano]

Where can I listen to Generations? Are any of the songs being played on the radio?

Fuck off, Troll.
You damn well know the answer to that question already.
You are just posing that question so you can segue into bashing the current lineup and have an excuse to say "A-ha! The Generations songs are clearly not as good as the Perry years because they are not on the radio".
By now, everyone here can see your dirty tricks coming from miles away.
Just go away.

Noblecause, this isn't your message board. Why do you have to swear when responding to a thread? Profanity must have been used commonly at your group home when you were younger.

I do not know where to listen to free samples or entire songs of Generations. What dirty tricks? Asking a question is a dirty trick? All you have to do is list where I can listen to Generations. Why not share the information instead of trying to silence me. I bet you are Rich over at Backtalk.

Journeytroll

Journeytroll

Dude, I can right through your shit..You know full well the only way to get the cd is to go to a show. You lied about getting tickets and were called out for it; ERIC nailed your slimey ass on that one.

Hey dude, I hear Bono calling you. This is ALL out WAR!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

And those are the unique arguments you use to defend the "new" JRNY. See it... you don't have any other arguments to say to anyone that thinks the opposite of what you think. It's always a perry-based discussion. But I'm talking about music, here...

I've countered your post with a vast array of non-Perry centric arguments.
Do respond.

[Rockindeano]

Hey Mr. Cause?


Did you get your copy of Generations? Your thoughts? Also, where is your sig.. I always go to your posts, and the sig makes it easier...

[St.George]

[OFFTOPIC]

TNC;

Idiot. Do you want to argue in spanish, instead? After reading a misused word it's pretty obvious that english is not my mother language. It's quite stupid and unpolite from a "person" to make fun out of a thing like that.
I think you get the meaning, anyway...

I'm trying my best to write the best english I can. And I think I do it pretty well. So if you dare to have a laugh with that again I won't hesitate in telling you to fuck off without any other additional comment. And I won't say that twice. I don't like to talk to boorish people.

[GO BACK TO TOPIC]

[JourneyTroll]

Where can I listen to Generations? Are any of the songs being played on the radio?

Fuck off, Troll.
You damn well know the answer to that question already.
You are just posing that question so you can segue into bashing the current lineup and have an excuse to say "A-ha! The Generations songs are clearly not as good as the Perry years because they are not on the radio".
By now, everyone here can see your dirty tricks coming from miles away.
Just go away.

Noblecause, this isn't your message board. Why do you have to swear when responding to a thread? Profanity must have been used commonly at your group home when you were younger.

I do not know where to listen to free samples or entire songs of Generations. What dirty tricks? Asking a question is a dirty trick? All you have to do is list where I can listen to Generations. Why not share the information instead of trying to silence me. I bet you are Rich over at Backtalk.

Journeytroll

Journeytroll

Dude, I can right through your shit..You know full well the only way to get the cd is to go to a show. You lied about getting tickets and were called out for it..

Hey dude, I hear Bono calling you. This is ALL out WAR!!

More profanity. I know you get a CD once you attend the show. However, I thought I heard that there was a website or link to listen to Generations. Is there? If there is will someone list it for me please?

I am not lying about the tickets either because there was a presale on ccdotcom for this show. I had great tickets but sold them because I don't want to see Journey for 3.5 hours. I don't like their pre-Perry or post-Perry material. Plus, I don't like the idea of Steve Augeri being delegated as part-time singer and part-time stool sitter while others sing during their concerts.

Journeytroll

[Rockindeano]

What are you, a fuckin minister, or a fuckin kindergarten teacher? Spare me the profanity shit...I NEED to use certain words to let YOU know how much YOU piss me off. I wish I could rip your head off and use it for a bowling ball...

[yak]

To yak&Co:

I am not a company, I'm just a yak!

I can't stand that sh*t anymore. You keep always doin' the same strategy of "moniking" people as properrys... it sounds so victimistic from you, that it's pretty bashful.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the Perry posters left the board, went somewhere else, got thrown out, and came back here in a different form to retread their agenda one more time.

VICTIMISTIC? BASHFUL? HUH?

And those are the unique arguments you use to defend the "new" JRNY. See it... you don't have any other arguments to say to anyone that thinks the opposite of what you think. It's always a perry-based discussion. But I'm talking about music, here...

First of all, Journey isn't "NEW;" it's Journey CONTINUING. Continuity is a good thing. It makes the world go around.

So that's not the point...

So what is?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Idiot. Do you want to argue in spanish, instead? After reading a misused word it's pretty obvious that english is not my mother language.

No it's not. You could just be stupid. Nearly everyone on this forum (or on the internet, really) misspells a word every now and then.
How am I supposed to infer from ONE mispelled word that you are from outside the USA?

It's quite stupid and unpolite from a "person" to make fun out of a thing like that.

Oh, get the fuck over yourself.

I think you get the meaning, anyway...

Actually, no, I didn't.

I'm trying my best to write the best english I can. And I think I do it pretty well. So if you dare to have a laugh with that again I won't hesitate in telling you to fuck off without any other additional comment. And I won't say that twice. I don't like to talk to boorish people.

NOBODY was making fun of you for being an immigrant.
Put down the race card.
It's a cheap ande over-utilized ploy for sympathy.

[St.George]

To yak&Co:

I am not a company, I'm just a yak!

I can't stand that sh*t anymore. You keep always doin' the same strategy of "moniking" people as properrys... it sounds so victimistic from you, that it's pretty bashful.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the Perry psoters left the board, went somewhere else, got thrown out, and came back here in a different form to retread their agenda one more time.

VICTIMISTIC? BASHFUL? HUH?

And those are the unique arguments you use to defend the "new" JRNY. See it... you don't have any other arguments to say to anyone that thinks the opposite of what you think. It's always a perry-based discussion. But I'm talking about music, here...

First of all, Journey isn't "NEW;" it's Journey CONTINUING. Continuity is a good thing. It makes the world go around.

So that's not the point...

So what is?

Another brainless person. I pity them fools...