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These are facts. The rhythm guitars are fucking THE SAME.

Many valid and cogent counter-arguments were made in response to your first anti-Journey thread (by me, Journeyman28, among others). Apparently finding yourself outmatched and having no facts to support your outrageous claims, you chose to abandon that thread and fled in shame.

Why now start a new argumentative thread when you couldn't even finish the very first one u started?

No agenda with this topic...

O My FUCKING LORD!! What next? Neal Schon "ripping off" the "Edge?" What is that? Yeah, like the FUCKING edge has more talent than Neal?

DELETE this...

How about we all just quit saying 'fucking' all the time?

It's getting a little out of hand this week...

You wanted the best, you got the best....'U2'....

cubby69 wrote:You wanted the best, you got the best....'U2'....

Who says? The charts? ooohh! Uh, no dude. They aren't as talented as Classic or current Journey. Their just political and in everyones face, including the president of the United States, The Canadian Prime Minister, The UK PM and Bob Geldof. They have hits, but if you look, they don't have nearly as many as Journey....

I noticed on your Profile Cubby69, that you play guitar. So tell the rest of us; is this in your opinion, a ripoff? I went and listened to both and can't even get the foggiest similarities.. I know that one of the guitarists is CLEARLY superior to the other....

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Many valid and cogent counter-arguments were made in response to your first anti-Journey thread (by me, Journeyman28, among others). Apparently finding yourself outmatched and having no facts to support your outrageous claims, you chose to abandon that thread and fled in shame.

Why now start a new argumentative thread when you couldn't even finish the very first one u started?

I think it's pretty obvious. There's no point in replying to the other thread... And yes, I found myself outmatched... in terms of imbecility or idiocy. I can't compete to that level. You're far too superior...

St.George wrote: And yes, I found myself outmatched... in terms of imbecility or idiocy. I can't compete to that level.

Tee-Fuckin-Hee.

The fact remains that (in ur last thread) you raised issues about the band's music, only to cowardly head for the hills upon being slapped with the truth. Jrnyman28's posts were nothing but respectful to you (so were mine), yet still u ran away.

If that's not a dead give away of someone who doesn't even believe in his own peddled bullshit, then I don't know what is.

St.George wrote:I think it's pretty obvious. There's no point in replying to the other thread.

Why could that be?
Because you have no facts to support any of your dogmatic assertions?

YOU kept making the argument that post-Arrival, this band has become creatively slothful, repeatedly stating "Arrival has pretty decent numbers, but from that album onwards they started to sound quite predictable in some songs".

To which I rejoindered with....

"Yeah, their immediate next release, "Red 13", was soooo darned predictable. That 7 minute long "State of Grace" and "The Time" was so obviously tailor made for top 40 radio. Oh, and that dark ballad on drug addiction, "Walkin Away from the Edge" was soo obvious an attempt from Journey to kow tow to the wishes of the mainstream listening masses."

You didn't bother to refute what I said above, not because I am an "imbecile" but because of the simple fact that you can't.
It's impossible.
Fact trumps fiction any day of the week.

If there are any more lies you'd like to spew, just let me know and I'll be happy to disprove them and continue to make you out to be the duplicitous propagandist u truly are.

St. George, I see you have posted a whopping 37 times since 2002, mostly on the Toto board. You really think you can match wits with TNC and jrnyman28? You need to have valid points behind your criticisms to be respected here. Saying a Journey song rips off U2, something I frankly do not hear AT ALL, smacks of trying to "take the piss", as Andrew would say! We LOVE discussing criticism of Journey, as long as it is well thought out.

cubby69 wrote:You wanted the best, you got the best....'U2'....

Journey is my favorite band (with Tom Petty a distant second), but I do enjoy U2's music as well. As for guitar players, oh, I would take Neal in a heartbeat....duh....

By this logic:

U2's VERTIGO a ripoff of Planet Us' VERTIGO. So Neal was just evening up the score I guess since the VERTIGO heist came first?

Come on.

St.George wrote:These are facts. The rhythm guitars are fucking THE SAME.

Similar, but not the same. And it was not intentional. I think it is safe to say that there is NO WAY Neal sat there and said to himself "Ya know what, I remember the lead riff to Pride, that is what I want to do here."

"Similar, but not the same. And it was not intentional. I think it is safe to say that there is NO WAY Neal sat there and said to himself "Ya know what, I remember the lead riff to Pride, that is what I want to do here.""

That's right. SO not what Neal did. What he did was listen to all of the Joshua Tree LOOKING for a riff to lift and zeroed on that one. This is really how you know this post is bogus. If was gonna lift a riff it'd be Where The Streets Have No Name..
Busted.

Rock'ndeano wrote:

cubby69 wrote:You wanted the best, you got the best....'U2'....

Who says? The charts? ooohh! Uh, no dude. They aren't as talented as Classic or current Journey. Their just political and in everyones face, including the president of the United States, The Canadian Prime Minister, The UK PM and Bob Geldof. They have hits, but if you look, they don't have nearly as many as Journey....

I noticed on your Profile Cubby69, that you play guitar. So tell the rest of us; is this in your opinion, a ripoff? I went and listened to both and can't even get the foggiest similarities.. I know that one of the guitarists is CLEARLY superior to the other....

Sorry my smiley should have been 'rolling eyes' I was making a sarcastic remark...chill buddy....