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NealIsGod wrote:Well, TNC, we can't all agree! Personally, I like Believe, and am not too big on Better Together.
NealIsGod wrote:I went back and read Andrew's review of Arrival, and he gave that a 99%. To me, Generations blows Arrival away.
Andrew wrote:Generations sees Journey change tact a little, introducing a vocal role for all members. Whether that is entirely necessary or not, the majority of vocal performances on the album are excellent. Generations has all the ingredients required of a Journey album and a little extra punch, which fans were calling for. It cuts back the number of tracks on offer, which was probably Arrival's biggest problem.
Rougher, tougher and more diverse than Arrival, Generations is an album that still rates as a must-buy for melodic rock fans, but it isn't a classic.
yandtguy wrote:Overall: 85
Songwriting: 70
Where to start? I see you have only 5 posts..Disguise perhaps?Overall, the songwriting is below average for a Journey album, and I'm basing that on the lack of hooks, lyrical depth and catchy choruses. More time should have been spent on crafting the choruses, especially on the rockers (like the monotone chorus of "Place In Your Heart"). Journey has had a problem with choruses on their rockers since Trial By Fire (though "Higher Place" and "To Be Alive Again" were gems on Arrival).
Lack of hooks? Dude, "The Place in Your Heart" has great hooks, besides, The Noble Cause said it was "catchy as fuck," and that's good enough for me.
The point of Journey having problems since TBF I don't agree with. I see you angling for a Perry plug, but na huh, not from me.As to lyrics, when you hold up a song like "Butterfly" to classics like "Open Arms" and "Don't Stop Believing," you have to wonder what the band is thinking.
Are you serious? Of course nothing can come close to those gems! Not many bands, if any, can compare to those songs!Journey's career is built on the connection of listener to lyric. You believe that the writer of "Faithfully" is a real person pouring out his life. You believe the writer of "Open Arms" is aching for his lover. You can smell the cheap perfume in "Don't Stop Believing." On songs like "Butterfly" or "Beyond The Clouds," it sounds like a person telling a story he thinks you want to hear.
This I actually agree with you. I remember Cain saying in BTM, that at the Escape recordings, they "were going to write songs about people's lives. Just a small town girl.."Reviewing the songs on Generations, "A Better Life" is one of the few Generations songs that connect with me beyond a surface level. "Out Of Harm's Way" and "Never Too Late To Change" are growing on me. As a comparison, on Arrival, I would say that "To Be Alive Again" and "All The Way" have the classic Journey signature to them.
"All the Way" should have been heaved in the dumpster(rubbish for you English)..A facet of strong songwriting also means knowing which songs to keep and which songs to discard. Songs like "Every Generation" and "Gone Crazy" are good songs, but they stick out on the album like a sore thumb, and not just because Jon and Ross are singing them. And why in the world do you relegate a monster rocker like "Never Too Late To Change" to "bonus track" status in favor of "Gone Crazy" or "Every Generation" Reminds me of the horrible decision to leave "I Can See It In Your Eyes" off of Trial By Fire (except in Japan).
100% Agree.Unfortunately, this is the third attempt that Steve Augeri has had to win me over (Arrival, Red 13, Generations), and he comes up short again. When the drummer sings the high notes in concert and provides vocals for 2 of the best songs on the studio album, and when 5 members of the band sing lead vocals on the album, you have to ask if Steve Augeri was the right choice for lead singer of Journey.
Well, the choice is made, and I can live with it. After all, if professionals like Neal Schon, Jon Cain, and Ross Valory can, certainly we can too. Augeri is solid..That's fine..No problem there..A bigger letdown for me though is the use of 5 lead singers on the album. Now, I am a fan of the co-lead vocals that Perry and Rollie performed on Infinity and Evolution, and I like Neal's turn on "People And Places" with Perry singing an awesome bridge. The problem with Generations is, Augeri is simply another backing vocalist for the songs that Jon, Ross, Deen and Neal sing. And, sorry to the Jon Cain fans, Jon is a mediocre singer at best. If you have Deen and Steve A. in the band, you better bring it, and Jon fails. Also, Ross' song should have been the bonus track. It's a great song, and he performs well, but this ZZ Top tribute needed to go on another project or be used as a bonus track. Finally, I don't understand why Neal felt he needed to cover a Schon & Hammer track, but if he just had to go there, "No More Lies" would have been a better, and more logical choice. Generations would have been a leaner and more cohesive effort if that track would have just been left off.
Journey can do whatever the hell they want to. I'm ok with it. So they all want to sing lead? Who gives a shit? They know they won't get attention like those ultra talented stars Britney, Christina, and Ashley S??Deen's vocals are the real surprise of Generations, and he nails his performances on the two tracks he is featured on (on the European version anyway). Grade A vocal job there. I would suggest they let him sing a guide vocal for Augeri in the future if they won't use him on vocals any more than they did on Generations.
OK. Ask for neal's and Jon's permission.Production: 100%
This is how a Journey album should sound. It has perfect engineering, mixing and mastering. It has that Frontiers edge and vibe that those of us who like Journey to rock appreciate. Kudos to the knob tuners on this one.
Thank You Kevin Elson.So, all in all, it's another "wonder what's next" album. There is a lot of potential, but Generations fails as a cohesive effort. After Arrival, we speculated about the heights the band would achieve removed from the confines of a major label. After Red 13, we speculated what the band would sound like with better production while retaining the songwriting of Arrival and experimental nature of Red 13. Well, it all led up to Generations, and I'm still left anticpating the next album more than I am enjoying the one in my CD player.
yandtguy wrote:Overall: 85
Songwriting: 70
yandtguy wrote:Overall, the songwriting is below average for a Journey album, and I'm basing that on the lack of hooks, lyrical depth and catchy choruses.
yandtguy wrote:
As to lyrics, when you hold up a song like "Butterfly" to classics like "Open Arms" and "Don't Stop Believing," you have to wonder what the band is thinking. Journey's career is built on the connection of listener to lyric.
yandtguy wrote:
I give the band credit for sticking by the guy, but I would rate his performance on Generations as merely solid, maybe even average on some tracks. He had a real chance to blow us all away on the rocking songs, and he delivers weak vocal melodies (and yes, even if he didn't have a songwriting credit, as lead singer, he should give input to vocal melodies since singing is supposed to be his expertise). He had the perfect vehicle in "Knowing That You Love Me" to knock us off our feet, and while his is solid, he doesn't sell the song like a premier frontman would. Steve can sing, and he can sing well, but he just does not have the ear for melody and versatility that you need to be a world-class vocalist. I think if the band suffers in any one area from the loss of Perry, it is in writing srong vocal melodies.
Rock'ndeano wrote:Well I guess we can all agree to disagree.
I was way off Andrews' score, and I stick by it.
By the way, the song I JUST cannot stand, is Knowing that You Love Me....too slowwwwww.
I stick by my score of 94(I wrote my revire last week and it hasn't shown up yet).... Drop one, add "It's Never Too Late" and Bingo! You have a 98-99..
yandtguy wrote:As to lyrics, when you hold up a song like "Butterfly" to classics like "Open Arms" and "Don't Stop Believing," you have to wonder what the band is thinking.
yandtguy wrote:Journey's career is built on the connection of listener to lyric. You believe that the writer of "Faithfully" is a real person pouring out his life. You believe the writer of "Open Arms" is aching for his lover. You can smell the cheap perfume in "Don't Stop Believing."
yandtguy wrote: On songs like "Butterfly" or "Beyond The Clouds," it sounds like a person telling a story he thinks you want to hear.
yandtguy wrote:Reviewing the songs on Generations, "A Better Life" is one of the few Generations songs that connect with me beyond a surface level. "Out Of Harm's Way" and "Never Too Late To Change" are growing on me. As a comparison, on Arrival, I would say that "To Be Alive Again" and "All The Way" have the classic Journey signature to them.
yandtguy wrote:A facet of strong songwriting also means knowing which songs to keep and which songs to discard. Songs like "Every Generation" and "Gone Crazy" are good songs, but they stick out on the album like a sore thumb, and not just because Jon and Ross are singing them.
yandtguy wrote: And why in the world do you relegate a monster rocker like "Never Too Late To Change" to "bonus track" status in favor of "Gone Crazy" or "Every Generation"
yandtguy wrote:Reminds me of the horrible decision to leave "I Can See It In Your Eyes" off of Trial By Fire (except in Japan).
yandtguy wrote:Performance: 90
Neal and Deen provide the firepower on this album, and I love this "supercharged" version of Journey. Jon's keyboard playing compliments each song perfectly. I just can't find fault with the music performances on the CD. The only reason I give Generations a 90% in this category though is because of the hit-and-miss vocals.
Unfortunately, this is the third attempt that Steve Augeri has had to win me over (Arrival, Red 13, Generations), and he comes up short again.
yandtguy wrote:
When the drummer sings the high notes in concert and provides vocals for 2 of the best songs on the studio album, and when 5 members of the band sing lead vocals on the album, you have to ask if Steve Augeri was the right choice for lead singer of Journey.
yandtguy wrote:I give the band credit for sticking by the guy, but I would rate his performance on Generations as merely solid, maybe even average on some tracks. He had a real chance to blow us all away on the rocking songs, and he delivers weak vocal melodies (and yes, even if he didn't have a songwriting credit, as lead singer, he should give input to vocal melodies since singing is supposed to be his expertise).
yandtguy wrote:He had the perfect vehicle in "Knowing That You Love Me" to knock us off our feet, and while his is solid, he doesn't sell the song like a premier frontman would. Steve can sing, and he can sing well, but he just does not have the ear for melody and versatility that you need to be a world-class vocalist.
yandtguy wrote: I think if the band suffers in any one area from the loss of Perry, it is in writing srong vocal melodies.
yandtguy wrote:A bigger letdown for me though is the use of 5 lead singers on the album. Now, I am a fan of the co-lead vocals that Perry and Rollie performed on Infinity and Evolution, and I like Neal's turn on "People And Places" with Perry singing an awesome bridge. The problem with Generations is, Augeri is simply another backing vocalist for the songs that Jon, Ross, Deen and Neal sing. And, sorry to the Jon Cain fans, Jon is a mediocre singer at best.
yandtguy wrote:If you have Deen and Steve A. in the band, you better bring it,
yandtguy wrote:and Jon fails. Also, Ross' song should have been the bonus track. It's a great song, and he performs well, but this ZZ Top tribute needed to go on another project or be used as a bonus track.
yandtguy wrote: Finally, I don't understand why Neal felt he needed to cover a Schon & Hammer track, but if he just had to go there, "No More Lies" would have been a better, and more logical choice. Generations would have been a leaner and more cohesive effort if that track would have just been left off.
yandtguy wrote:Deen's vocals are the real surprise of Generations, and he nails his performances on the two tracks he is featured on (on the European version anyway). Grade A vocal job there.
yandtguy wrote:I would suggest they let him sing a guide vocal for Augeri in the future if they won't use him on vocals any more than they did on Generations.
yandtguy wrote:Production: 100%
This is how a Journey album should sound. It has perfect engineering, mixing and mastering. It has that Frontiers edge and vibe that those of us who like Journey to rock appreciate. Kudos to the knob tuners on this one.
yandtguy wrote:So, all in all, it's another "wonder what's next" album. There is a lot of potential, but Generations fails as a cohesive effort. After Arrival, we speculated about the heights the band would achieve removed from the confines of a major label. After Red 13, we speculated what the band would sound like with better production while retaining the songwriting of Arrival and experimental nature of Red 13. Well, it all led up to Generations, and I'm still left anticpating the next album more than I am enjoying the one in my CD player.
Abitaman wrote:Seems everone is hot over DC's singing. After listening to the cd about 10 times yesterday (Thanks RD), I can really say I was not really impressed by DC's voicce. Sure he sounded more like Perry than Augeri, but Augeri can sound like Perry when he wants to. But I don't wnat Augeri to be a clone, he just needs a hint of Perry. But DC sounded like he was straining at times (or maybe holding back was caussing this this), but I kept expecting to here a flat out knock out of Steve Perry, and I didn;t.
I am not knockibg DC, in anyway, his song is good. Just that I bring that up, since some have said DC needs to be the lead singer of Journey. Augeri sounds best, and has done a outstanding job.-ERIC
Abitaman wrote:Seems everone is hot over DC's singing. After listening to the cd about 10 times yesterday (Thanks RD), I can really say I was not really impressed by DC's voicce. Sure he sounded more like Perry than Augeri, but Augeri can sound like Perry when he wants to. But I don't wnat Augeri to be a clone, he just needs a hint of Perry. But DC sounded like he was straining at times (or maybe holding back was caussing this this), but I kept expecting to here a flat out knock out of Steve Perry, and I didn;t.
I am not knockibg DC, in anyway, his song is good. Just that I bring that up, since some have said DC needs to be the lead singer of Journey. Augeri sounds best, and has done a outstanding job.-ERIC
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I think Dean conciously tries to employ Perry's singing style (err, make that Sam Cooke's style), straight down to word choice and expression. That's something I don't hear very often with Augeri.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Augeri sounds like himself when he sings, but due to his timbre he also happens to sound slightly like Steve P....More of his own man.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:However, both are great.
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