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Seems "Generations" is being released here in the U.S. via Sanctuary.
At least so it says at the top of the official Sanctuary website. It's release is set for October 4th.
Oddly, Kalodner, when posed with the question of signing the band, stated he would NOT, with the information he had at the present time.
I wonder what changed.

http://www.sanctuaryrecords.com/

Very Interesting....

Yet again, why don't we hear this news on the journey website first??

jrnyman28 wrote:Very Interesting....

Yet again, why don't we hear this news on the journey website first??

Why don't we ever hear the truth on the Journey website? Why is it we only hear cheerleading, and "it's all about the music" on the Journey website..THis is what I am talking about...Why does everyone at BT and some here, think I am needlessly bashing the band? I am trying to get them(Mgt), to pull their heads out of their ass, and put "the music" on radio!!! Christ!

Rock'ndeano wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:Very Interesting....

Yet again, why don't we hear this news on the journey website first??

Why don't we ever hear the truth on the Journey website? Why is it we only hear cheerleading, and "it's all about the music" on the Journey website..THis is what I am talking about...Why does everyone at BT and some here, think I am needlessly bashing the band? I am trying to get them(Mgt), to pull their heads out of their ass, and put "the music" on radio!!! Christ!

Well, I don't think it's managements fault that the new music isn't on the radio...I think it is the lack of a label to payoff Clearchanel or support the band in any way...And, I doubt Sanctuary will be much help - it wasn't for Styx.

I wonder what the difference was between the Sanctuary and Universal deals.

jrnyman28 wrote:Very Interesting....

Yet again, why don't we hear this news on the journey website first??

Well if u want to split hairs, I first became notified of this news from reading a post on BT. However, this should've been a front page official item...not leaked from some fan who happened to stumble across it.

Well, Neal did say in his interview with Andrew that a deal with Sanctuary was "in the works".

Sounds like bad news to me, unless Kalodner has changed his views on Journey without Perry, or this is just a distribution deal for this album and they're free agents again for the next.

NoMoreTails wrote:Sounds like bad news to me, unless Kalodner has changed his views on Journey without Perry, or this is just a distribution deal for this album and they're free agents again for the next.

Just listen to Generations, IF that doesn't blow your socks off and make you wnat to have them at your label, NOTHING will-ERIC

Abitaman wrote:Just listen to Generations, IF that doesn't blow your socks off and make you wnat to have them at your label, NOTHING will-ERIC

I like that attitude!

From the front page: Sanctuary Records have listed Journey's Generations album for release October 4. I guess that 'deal in the works' is just about a done deal! With any luck I will have some additional information on the release tomorrow. But being due in October, don't expect the album to feature any re-recorded parts or even any new tracks. The time frame is just too short. Stay tuned...


Just wanted to make a comment about the bold print,
It is possible that the RED13 tracks have been re-mixed, or are in the works. That could be done without the band and could be ready for the October 4th roll-out. Which is what I am hoping for. BUT, I agree with Andreew that is UNLIKELY to happen. So the only reason to buy the US release will be the packaging, or if you didn't go to a show...

I just don't get this band.

Red13? Are you kidding me? Those songs are for Red13. Those songs won't flow with Generations! This has got to be the dumbest shit yet..I swear I am ready to hop onto another band soon..These guys are borderline embarrassing..

Adding Red13 to Generations! Yes! It's like we will just rehash them, and add em on! Awesome idea!

While we're at it, combine Departure,Infinity and Evolution and make that a new CD..and then combine Escape and Frontiers too!

Give me a break. And I ask yet one more time...Journey doesn't need a new manager?

Rock'ndeano wrote:Red13? Are you kidding me? Those songs are for Red13.

They are?
You sure about that?
Better double check ur facts.
Half of the material on the EP was initially slated to go on Arrival.
Those songs are Journey material and can go on whatever the band deems fit.

Rock'ndeano wrote:Those songs won't flow with Generations!

Why not?
With the exception of SOG (due to it's intro), I can see all the other tracks fitting just fine on Generations. Even with the intro, they can still make SOG fit, just remove the intro like they did when they would play it live on tour mid-set.

Rock'ndeano wrote:Adding Red13 to Generations! Yes! It's like we will just rehash them, and add em on! Awesome idea!

Well, Red 13 WAS an EP, afterall.
If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) most EPs do get aggrandized or inflated into a full album at some point. Frankly, I was rather suprised when it was first announced that none of RED 13 was to be on Generations.

Rock'ndeano wrote:Give me a break. And I ask yet one more time...Journey doesn't need a new manager?

And pray, do tell, just what exactly does Azoff Mgt. have to do with putting Red 13 on Generations?

Adding Red13 to Generations! Yes! It's like we will just rehash them, and add em on! Awesome idea!

I didn't get that impression from Schon's interview. Sounded to me like he wanted to add new songs on to GEN. and at some point remix RED 13.

Sounded to me like they were two separate projects. Hope so!

I don't think they belong on GEN either.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Rock'ndeano wrote:Red13? Are you kidding me? Those songs are for Red13.

They are?
You sure about that?
Better double check ur facts.
Half of the material on the EP was initially slated to go on Arrival.
Those songs are Journey material and can go on whatever the band deems fit.

Rock'ndeano wrote:Those songs won't flow with Generations!

Why not?
With the exception of SOG (due to it's intro), I can see all the other tracks fitting just fine on Generations. Even with the intro, they can still make SOG fit, just remove the intro like they did when they would play it live on tour mid-set.

Rock'ndeano wrote:Adding Red13 to Generations! Yes! It's like we will just rehash them, and add em on! Awesome idea!

Well, Red 13 WAS an EP, afterall.
If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) most EPs do get aggrandized or inflated into a full album at some point. Frankly, I was rather suprised when it was first announced that none of RED 13 was to be on Generations.

Rock'ndeano wrote:Give me a break. And I ask yet one more time...Journey doesn't need a new manager?

And pray, do tell, just what exactly does Azoff Mgt. have to do with putting Red 13 on Generations?

Well I am not as deft as you Superposter..I can't break down all the quotes in highlighted area, but will try.

Red13 was Red13. I don't care if they were holdovers or not..that album is done..well, I thought it was.

I think Red13 was rushed and raw in one of the guys' basement. Why would you want to add it on the Gens? And TNC, you are up front as always, bitching about the LENGTH of Arrival..now you want Gens to be 16 songs? Ok.


And if you people don't think a manager has a "thought process" or a "guiding hand for the band," if you will.. You don'y think the Manager is supposed to "plan a route to the top, like Herbie Herbert once said, and did? Okay NC, you keep on being happy with irving..Hope you love your new thrown together 16 song CD.

Rock'ndeano wrote:
Red13 was Red13. I don't care if they were holdovers or not..that album is done..well, I thought it was.

It was an EP. Do you know what that means? An EP is normally sold as a sampler and then later subsequently inflated into a full album. It's only natural for Red 13 to be put on Generations. As I said in my post before, I was rather suprised when it was announced that none of RED 13 was to be on Generations.

Rock'ndeano wrote:I think Red13 was rushed and raw in one of the guys' basement. Why would you want to add it on the Gens?

'Cuz the songs were cool.

Rock'ndeano wrote:And TNC, you are up front as always, bitching about the LENGTH of Arrival..now you want Gens to be 16 songs? Ok.

The length of Arrival is a detriment, because in it's bloated time span there is alot of filler. I like all of the tracks on Red 13. Throw them all on there. The more the merrier. Red 13 is not filler, it would only give me more songs on Generations to enjoy.

Rock'ndeano wrote:And if you people don't think a manager has a "thought process" or a "guiding hand for the band," if you will.. You don'y think the Manager is supposed to "plan a route to the top, like Herbie Herbert once said, and did?

Neal and Jon are seasoned pros, they don't need to be coddled. The way you talk about things is so one dimensional, Deano. Always allocating 100% of the blame on Irving and absolving Jon and Neal of all accountability. Don't like the notion of Red 13 combined with Generations? Take it up with the guys currently holding the reigns and controlling their destiny.

Rock'ndeano wrote:Hope you love your new thrown together 16 song CD.

I can only be so lucky. Here's hoping red 13 + Generations becomes a reality.

Dude, get a grip. I understand EP's "inflating into full length CD's, but after 4 years? ok


Neal and Jon may be seasoned pros. But they can't book tickets, hotels, schedule interviews, do a dvd, do a video, setup the stage, and play their instruments.

Hell Bill Gates is a seasoned pro..you think he has an tax attorney, or does he knock it out in his spare time?

You guys want to defend that shitcake Azoff go ahead...I am allowed a personal POV...I choose to think he blows.

Rock'ndeano wrote:Dude, get a grip. I understand EP's "inflating into full length CD's, but after 4 years? ok

Why not?

Rock'ndeano wrote:Neal and Jon may be seasoned pros. But they can't book tickets, hotels, schedule interviews, do a dvd, do a video, setup the stage, and play their instruments.

What the hell does that matter? If you've got a beef about Red 13 being taxed onto Generations, take it up with Neal as I truly doubt it was solely Azoff's call.

Rock'ndeano wrote:Hell Bill Gates is a seasoned pro..you think he has an tax attorney, or does he knock it out in his spare time?

What band is he in?
Never heard of him.

Rock'ndeano wrote:I choose to think he blows.

I think you haven't a clue about what ur talking about and it shows.

I'm sorry for arguing with you sir. You win.. end of discussion..

You know all.

Abitaman wrote:

NoMoreTails wrote:Sounds like bad news to me, unless Kalodner has changed his views on Journey without Perry, or this is just a distribution deal for this album and they're free agents again for the next.

Just listen to Generations, IF that doesn't blow your socks off and make you wnat to have them at your label, NOTHING will-ERIC

True, I just hope JDK doesn't try to infuence future material.

I think the Red13 material wold fit very well with the Generations material. But I agree that the overall flow might be affected and that the CD would seem too long for it. I like the idea of adding a bonus disc to Generations. That way there is no worry about re-sequencing or re-pressing a bunch of CDs. I LOVE the idea of re-mixing Red13, if it is not with Generations I hope they still do it. The material was great, it just sounded rough. And I WANT WAFTE to have some sort of chance...that is one of the top 5 songs Augeri-era Journey has recorded!!

jrnyman28 wrote:I think the Red13 material wold fit very well with the Generations material. And I WANT WAFTE to have some sort of chance...that is one of the top 5 songs Augeri-era Journey has recorded!!

I agree, and they should have dropped a ballad from the live show--OA-not that they ever will--and added WAFTE.

NoMoreTails wrote:I agree, and they should have dropped a ballad from the live show--OA-not that they ever will--and added WAFTE.

ABSOLUTELY!
I remember the Arrival Tour. Journey did not play Open Arms at Red Rocks. I was SO HAPPY! But I heard a LOT of fans saying "I can't believe they didn't play Open Arms" Back then the fans were having to digest the fact that Perry was not there. Add to that the fact that Steve was not at his best yet...then drop Open Arms, that is a LOT for a casual fan to handle.
But Open Arms' time has come and gone IMO. Drop it!

I hope next year, the setlist refines to be the core hits (but that will have to include Open Arms) and more Augeri-era materail. Time to start retiring some of this Perry material.

jrnyman28 wrote:

NoMoreTails wrote:I agree, and they should have dropped a ballad from the live show--OA-not that they ever will--and added WAFTE.

ABSOLUTELY!
I remember the Arrival Tour. Journey did not play Open Arms at Red Rocks. I was SO HAPPY! But I heard a LOT of fans saying "I can't believe they didn't play Open Arms" Back then the fans were having to digest the fact that Perry was not there. Add to that the fact that Steve was not at his best yet...then drop Open Arms, that is a LOT for a casual fan to handle.
But Open Arms' time has come and gone IMO. Drop it!

I hope next year, the setlist refines to be the core hits (but that will have to include Open Arms) and more Augeri-era materail. Time to start retiring some of this Perry material.

I think Steve does OA very well now and it was important to show that he could. But I don't think Jon will agree to drop it, he seems elated at the audience reaction when the song starts.

I agree about retiring some of that material and adding more of the new, but I think Jon will nix this idea if he feels that audience is less than enthused. He seems more concerned about the audience reaction in his interview than Neal did in his. I don't seem people actually walking out as he put it, they may have been going to the rest room or to get another beer.

NoMoreTails wrote:I think Steve does OA very well now and it was important to show that he could. But I don't think Jon will agree to drop it, he seems elated at the audience reaction when the song starts.

I agree about retiring some of that material and adding more of the new, but I think Jon will nix this idea if he feels that audience is less than enthused. He seems more concerned about the audience reaction in his interview than Neal did in his. I don't seem people actually walking out as he put it, they may have been going to the rest room or to get another beer.

I think Jon was referring to the FIRST show. I heard several accounts of fans walking out. I wish Jon would take a cue from Neal and 'not care as much' about the fan reaction....force the issue some. But I understand where he is coming from...this is their career, their business, their job. Without the fans none of this would happen.

How do you feel if you bought the Japanese version of "Generations"?


From the front page:

CONFIRMATION OF JOURNEY'S AMERICAN ALBUM RELEASE:
I can confirm that Journey have signed to Sanctuary Records for a US release of their new album Generations. The album will be released October 4 and will feature the same track listing as the Japanese release. That's good news for fans hanging out to hear the Deen Castronovo sung It's Never Too Late and the additional Jonathan Cain sung track Pride Of The Family. However, this is not so good news for those that have pre-ordered the ultra expensive Japanese import already. An official press release is due out tomorrow.
The track listing and running order for Generations USA is: Faith In The Heartland . The Place In Your Heart . A Better Life . Every Generation . Butterfly (She Flies Alone) . Believe . Knowing That You Love Me . Out Of Harms Way . In Self-Defense . Better Together . Gone Crazy . Beyond The Clouds . The Pride Of The Family . It's Never Too Late.

jrnyman28 wrote:How do you feel if you bought the Japanese version of "Generations"?.

Or the European version for that matter. The enhanced CD footage was cool though.

I'll go on the record here - while the US release looks tasty to buyers (as is the point) - it is POOR FORM!

The European and Japanese labels were given bonus track to help their sales and help them recoup investment, but now a meare 5 weeks later, both tracks are made available easier and cheaper.

Not impressed with this decision.

Andrew wrote:I'll go on the record here - while the US release looks tasty to buyers (as is the point) - it is POOR FORM!

The European and Japanese labels were given bonus track to help their sales and help them recoup investment, but now a meare 5 weeks later, both tracks are made available easier and cheaper.

Not impressed with this decision.

Concerning the European release, Music By Mail has advertised a
CD + DVD version. I assume this is a mistake and it is the same Enhanced CD that I bought directly from Frontiers, or maybe the DVD contains the same footage. Is this correct?

NoMoreTails wrote:
it is the same Enhanced CD that I bought directly from Frontiers?

Yes, there is no bonus DVD, just enhanced content.

I thought about buying it but the $30+ price tag told me to wait for the US release.

I understand the concept of releasing import CD's early and with bonus tracks, because Japan has competition from cheaper US releases (which THEY import)....But, if they are going to cost twice as much as what I expect a US CD to cost - forget it.

If the Japan CD had been < $25, I would have already pre-ordered it. Glad I waited. I can wait until October.

jrnyman28 wrote:How do you feel if you bought the Japanese version of "Generations"?


From the front page:

CONFIRMATION OF JOURNEY'S AMERICAN ALBUM RELEASE:
I can confirm that Journey have signed to Sanctuary Records for a US release of their new album Generations. The album will be released October 4 and will feature the same track listing as the Japanese release. That's good news for fans hanging out to hear the Deen Castronovo sung It's Never Too Late and the additional Jonathan Cain sung track Pride Of The Family. However, this is not so good news for those that have pre-ordered the ultra expensive Japanese import already. An official press release is due out tomorrow.
The track listing and running order for Generations USA is: Faith In The Heartland . The Place In Your Heart . A Better Life . Every Generation . Butterfly (She Flies Alone) . Believe . Knowing That You Love Me . Out Of Harms Way . In Self-Defense . Better Together . Gone Crazy . Beyond The Clouds . The Pride Of The Family . It's Never Too Late.