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Not sure why, but I listend to "Only Solutions" today. It totally struck me about how much Perry's voice had gotten raspy at that point in his career.

But what struck me even more was how much he sounded like Augeri. Has Augeri ever sung this song? I bet he'd do it justice cause Perry does not get high in this song at all.

What do you think?

I hadn't noticed but now that you mention it...

Free wrote:Not sure why, but I listend to "Only Solutions" today. It totally struck me about how much Perry's voice had gotten raspy at that point in his career.

What do you think?

Well, IMO I think there are 2 things going on in this song:

1. Steve decided to go for that sound on purpose. The reason why I think this is because if you listen to his background vocals on the words, "only solutions", his vocals are clear - no rasp.

2. Also, Steve "double-tracked" his voice: which is a technique that layers 2 different vocal tracks on top of each other - to "thicken" the vocals.

Just my 2 cents

sngrchk04 wrote:

Free wrote:Not sure why, but I listend to "Only Solutions" today. It totally struck me about how much Perry's voice had gotten raspy at that point in his career.

What do you think?

Well, IMO I think there are 2 things going on in this song:

1. Steve decided to go for that sound on purpose. The reason why I think this is because if you listen to his background vocals on the words, "only solutions", his vocals are clear - no rasp.

2. Also, Steve "double-tracked" his voice: which is a technique that layers 2 different vocal tracks on top of each other - to "thicken" the vocals.

Just my 2 cents

Hi Nora,

I apprecaite the way you are able to give us YOUR proffessional opinions about Perry's singing abilities & the technical stuff of his singing. I'm NOT a singer, so it helps to have someone like yourself, who is a singer & is able to explain it, & can pick up on things that a person (like me) would not know or maybe not notice.

All I KNOW is that I just LOVE the way Perry CAN SING!!!!


Lori

jrnyman28 wrote:I hadn't noticed but now that you mention it...

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perryfaithful wrote:What a Riot! If I had posted something with a similar feel regarding Steve Augeri or even Neal, I would be given a ration of CRAP saying I was just trying to cause trouble. What bull......

one huge pivotal distinction-
YOU have a track record of posting inflamatory garbage STRICTLY for instigational anarchic purposes. The author of this thread, reticent forum member, "Free", has no tendentious track record yet to speak of at all.

heardonthestreet wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:I hadn't noticed but now that you mention it...

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The_Noble_Cause wrote: one huge pivotal distinction-
YOU have a track record of posting inflamatory garbage STRICTLY for instigational anarchic purposes.

perryfaithful wrote:What a Riot! If I had posted something with a similar feel regarding Steve Augeri or even Neal, I would be given a ration of CRAP saying I was just trying to cause trouble. What bull......

I own "Only Solutions" and I think it's a great song. I also think Perry sounds a tad raspy on it. But, is that such a bad thing? As the years went on, Perry's voice became increasingly somewhat Rod Stewart-esque. Acknowledging this is not a deliberate attempt to stir up trouble, those are just the facts.
Wake up from your rosey colored bubble of blind optimism.

Free wrote:Not sure why, but I listend to "Only Solutions" today. It totally struck me about how much Perry's voice had gotten raspy at that point in his career.

But what struck me even more was how much he sounded like Augeri. Has Augeri ever sung this song? I bet he'd do it justice cause Perry does not get high in this song at all.

What do you think?

I think Perry sound terrific myself...much better than Augeri has ever sounded, and I like Augeri...in fact, I think Perry NOW sounds head and shoulder abouve Augeri....

OpeningAct wrote:I think Perry sound terrific myself...much better than Augeri has ever sounded, and I like Augeri...in fact, I think Perry NOW sounds head and shoulder abouve Augeri....

Hi Joe Reardon and imaginary friends!
I saw Steve Augeri on September 3rd and he sounded immaculate. The guy sounded like a young Steve Perry. He was phenomenal. While I don't subscribe to the notion that Perry has totally lost his vocal capability, I do believe that present day Augeri is above and beyond what Perry is currently capable of.
Anyone who saw the FTLOSM tour knows this first hand.

Only Solutions rocks....yet another reason Time3 is....forget it.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

OpeningAct wrote:I think Perry sound terrific myself...much better than Augeri has ever sounded, and I like Augeri...in fact, I think Perry NOW sounds head and shoulder abouve Augeri....

Hi Joe Reardon and imaginary friends!
I saw Steve Augeri on September 3rd and he sounded immaculate. The guy sounded like a young Steve Perry. He was phenomenal. While I don't subscribe to the notion that Perry has totally lost his vocal capability, I do believe that present day Augeri is above and beyond what Perry is currently capable of.
Anyone who saw the FTLOSM tour knows this first hand.

I thought he sounded great as well during the two shows I saw him NC....but a young Steve Perry is a little bit of stretch, IMO.

OpeningAct wrote:but a young Steve Perry is a little bit of stretch, IMO.

So is saying that a hoarse, gravelly (albeit emotive) Perry of today "sounds head and shoulders above Augeri."

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

OpeningAct wrote:but a young Steve Perry is a little bit of stretch, IMO.

So is saying that a hoarse, gravelly (albeit emotive) Perry of today "sounds head and shoulders above Augeri."

Game... set... and match.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

OpeningAct wrote:but a young Steve Perry is a little bit of stretch, IMO.

So is saying that a hoarse, gravelly (albeit emotive) Perry of today "sounds head and shoulders above Augeri."

I guess it's really just a matter of what you like better. Personally, no surprise here, I like Perry's voice better. It has nothing to do with range, raspiness, or what key he sings in. It's the emotive depth of his voice. The way his singing feels to me when I hear it. Augeri just doesn't have that viseral quality. There are a lot of singers out there who can sound good singing a song, but it takes more than just a sound.

ohsherrie wrote:I guess it's really just a matter of what you like better. Personally, no surprise here, I like Perry's voice better. It has nothing to do with range, raspiness, or what key he sings in. It's the emotive depth of his voice. The way his singing feels to me when I hear it. Augeri just doesn't have that viseral quality. There are a lot of singers out there who can sound good singing a song, but it takes more than just a sound.

Yes, Perry affects me the same way. Augeri is a very good singer, but there will never be another Perry. But Perry is "retired", and Augeri is his own man and bringing a different style to Journey. It's amazing how some of us are open to Journey having a different singer, and some aren't. It seems to depend on our opinion of Neal and Jon. Those of us who understand and respect their talents and contributions to Journey seem more open to the "new" lineup than those who only saw them as backup musicians for Perry.

Fruck me NealIsGod - that last statement might just be the best ever for this board and sums up the way we (mostly) all feel I think.

Amazing!

NealIsGod wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:I guess it's really just a matter of what you like better. Personally, no surprise here, I like Perry's voice better. It has nothing to do with range, raspiness, or what key he sings in. It's the emotive depth of his voice. The way his singing feels to me when I hear it. Augeri just doesn't have that viseral quality. There are a lot of singers out there who can sound good singing a song, but it takes more than just a sound.

Yes, Perry affects me the same way. Augeri is a very good singer, but there will never be another Perry. But Perry is "retired", and Augeri is his own man and bringing a different style to Journey. It's amazing how some of us are open to Journey having a different singer, and some aren't. It seems to depend on our opinion of Neal and Jon. Those of us who understand and respect their talents and contributions to Journey seem more open to the "new" lineup than those who only saw them as backup musicians for Perry.

Thank you for such a thoughtful reply. I think you make a good point and I respect the logic behind it. I don't think most of us saw Jon and Neal as simply backup musicians though. There was definitely a magic to the music that came together as a result of the combination of their talents that isn't there without the three of them together. I'm not saying that no good music has been produced by the band as it is now, just that it doesn't "grab me" the way the Journey sound used to.

NealIsGod wrote: Those of us who understand and respect their talents and contributions to Journey "

--JOURNEY fans

NealIsGod wrote: those who only saw them as backup musicians for Perry.

-Perry fans

ohsherrie wrote:I guess it's really just a matter of what you like better. Personally, no surprise here, I like Perry's voice better. It has nothing to do with range, raspiness, or what key he sings in. It's the emotive depth of his voice. The way his singing feels to me when I hear it. Augeri just doesn't have that viseral quality.

Both are very soulful emotive singers.
Arrival sadly didn't show Augeri at his expressive or emotive best.
Give Tyketto or Tall Stories a listen.
He's not nearly as reserved on those.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

OpeningAct wrote:but a young Steve Perry is a little bit of stretch, IMO.

So is saying that a hoarse, gravelly (albeit emotive) Perry of today "sounds head and shoulders above Augeri."

First of all, I don't think he sounds hoarse or gravelly....that was someone else's opinon, not necessarily a fact.

OpeningAct wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

OpeningAct wrote:but a young Steve Perry is a little bit of stretch, IMO.

So is saying that a hoarse, gravelly (albeit emotive) Perry of today "sounds head and shoulders above Augeri."

First of all, I don't think he sounds hoarse or gravelly....that was someone else's opinon, not necessarily a fact.

Go compare Infinity to FTLOSM and then try telling yourself that again without breaking out in laughter.
Cut the bullnanny, will ya?
Perry's voice got hoarse with age-that's a fact.
If you fail to detect this, then here's another fact for you-you are currently deaf.

He's still good, but his pipes lack that sweet shrill sound they once had.

NealIsGod wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:I guess it's really just a matter of what you like better. Personally, no surprise here, I like Perry's voice better. It has nothing to do with range, raspiness, or what key he sings in. It's the emotive depth of his voice. The way his singing feels to me when I hear it. Augeri just doesn't have that viseral quality. There are a lot of singers out there who can sound good singing a song, but it takes more than just a sound.

Yes, Perry affects me the same way. Augeri is a very good singer, but there will never be another Perry. But Perry is "retired", and Augeri is his own man and bringing a different style to Journey. It's amazing how some of us are open to Journey having a different singer, and some aren't. It seems to depend on our opinion of Neal and Jon. Those of us who understand and respect their talents and contributions to Journey seem more open to the "new" lineup than those who only saw them as backup musicians for Perry.

Good post NiG! How anyone could think musicians with the overwhelmng talent of Neal and Cain were merely backup musicians to Perry's vocals is a little mind boggling.
Friends of mine who aren't neccesarily Journey fans always so how Neal is flat out AMAZING and that the guys are all great musicians. They simply don't care for their overall sound...again, music is a subjective thing.

Andrew wrote:Fruck me NealIsGod - that last statement might just be the best ever for this board and sums up the way we (mostly) all feel I think.

Amazing!

Wow, thanks Andrew! Your reply made my day!

ohsherrie wrote: There was definitely a magic to the music that came together as a result of the combination of their talents that isn't there without the three of them together. I'm not saying that no good music has been produced by the band as it is now, just that it doesn't "grab me" the way the Journey sound used to.

....and with all due respect to NIG, I would think we have reached a stage where a conversation about Steve Perry can remain so, stay on topic, without it being diverted to "Perry is retired and Augeri is the man now, yadda, yadda" stuff. The need to remind folks that Augeri exists everytime Steve Perry's name comes up should be long gone! The fans of todays line up have more confidence than that, right?

perryfaithful wrote:

ohsherrie wrote: There was definitely a magic to the music that came together as a result of the combination of their talents that isn't there without the three of them together. I'm not saying that no good music has been produced by the band as it is now, just that it doesn't "grab me" the way the Journey sound used to.

....and with all due respect to NIG, I would think we have reached a stage where a conversation about Steve Perry can remain so, stay on topic, without it being diverted to "Perry is retired and Augeri is the man now, yadda, yadda" stuff. The need to remind folks that Augeri exists everytime Steve Perry's name comes up should be long gone! The fans of todays line up have more confidence than that, right?

Ya know, ohsherrie and NiG are having a very civil, well thought out and presented discourse concerning Journey. And then you come in here and start pointing fingers!

Let us remember that HOTS is the one who always likes to refer to Neal and Jon as Perry's back-ups. And you, ohsherrie and PROPERRY usually get lumped together due to your association with her. No, it's not fair. But neither is the way you are pointing fingers...

Let's not allow this thread to degenerate into that.

I don't even understand what she means. I praised Perry, and still get called out.

NealIsGod wrote:Augeri is a very good singer, but there will never be another Perry. But Perry is "retired", and Augeri is his own man and bringing a different style to Journey. It's amazing how some of us are open to Journey having a different singer, and some aren't. It seems to depend on our opinion of Neal and Jon. Those of us who understand and respect their talents and contributions to Journey seem more open to the "new" lineup than those who only saw them as backup musicians for Perry.

NOT

I understand and respect the talents of Jon Cain and Neal Schon. I have never considered them "back up" musicians. I was open enough to the change to support several shows with the new line up. I prefer the line up of Steve Perry, Jon Cain and Neal Schon!