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sadie65 wrote:Cain, who attended Roosevelt University's music conservatory, said "Don't Stop Believin" was a collaboration with Perry and guitarist Neal Schon, but originated with him writing the chorus: "Don't stop believin, Hold on to that feeling . . ."
"We wrote the song from my chorus backward," he said. "It was very spontaneous."
jrnyman28 wrote:I wouldn't say it clarifies anything. It simply shows that there are two sides to it. Jon says they started with the chorus. Perry said he remembered the 'streetlight people'. And that is probably how it went, Jon brought the chorus and Perry contributed the other lyric. It was a collaboration.
ohsherrie wrote:jrnyman28 wrote:I wouldn't say it clarifies anything. It simply shows that there are two sides to it. Jon says they started with the chorus. Perry said he remembered the 'streetlight people'. And that is probably how it went, Jon brought the chorus and Perry contributed the other lyric. It was a collaboration.
What did you expect it to clarify Dave?
jrnyman28 wrote:ohsherrie wrote:jrnyman28 wrote:I wouldn't say it clarifies anything. It simply shows that there are two sides to it. Jon says they started with the chorus. Perry said he remembered the 'streetlight people'. And that is probably how it went, Jon brought the chorus and Perry contributed the other lyric. It was a collaboration.
What did you expect it to clarify Dave?
I didn't. TNC mentioned that it clarified who contributed most. I just disagree.
heardonthestreet wrote:Right! Cain's huge hits and unforgetable melodies these past few years are perfect examples of this.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:You're both cuckoo bananas.
Without a chorus, a song is nothing.
Do you hear me?
NOTHING.
The "Don't Stop Believing" part holds it all together and makes the song truly transcendental.
I mean, the entire song is great, but as I said earlier, Jon really contributed the heart of the song.
ohsherrie wrote:But TNC, wouldn't you agree that the context that the rest of the lyrics build for the chorus make it as meaningful as it apparently is to a lot of people?
The_Noble_Cause wrote:heardonthestreet wrote:Right! Cain's huge hits and unforgetable melodies these past few years are perfect examples of this.
I know you are being sarcastic, but you're actually right.
Without Jon Cain's masterful song writing prowress, Arrival and Generations wouldn't be half the albums they are.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I did agree with that.
I said it's the sum of it's parts that makes the song so exceptional. However, Jon's chorus is integral-without it there would be no song.
heardonthestreet wrote: Both albums are so below the expectations of a Journey album that it's a shame that they carry the name Journey.
ohsherrie wrote: Olivia Newton-John had a song with a chorus lyric of "Don't Stop Believing", and it was a good song, but it never had the impact that Journey's did.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:ohsherrie wrote: Olivia Newton-John had a song with a chorus lyric of "Don't Stop Believing", and it was a good song, but it never had the impact that Journey's did.
This argument is stupid.
I am not saying that simply because Jon had the good fortune to use the words "Dont" "Stop" and "Believing", that the song was automatically pre- destined for success.
John didn't just utilize those aforementioned three words. He crafted and blended them into an unforgettably catchy melody.
Without that overriding melody, great lines such as "street light people" or "cheap perfume" would have remained simply as that: disparate poetic lines.
The chorus is the heart of the song and everything else revolves around it.
ohsherrie wrote:The chorus would have just been "disparate poet)ry" without the rest of the song.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:No, it wouldn't have been. Take a song writing course.
The chorus is the meat and potatoes of the song.
It's the proverbial nucleus that binds it all together.
Rock'ndeano wrote:How ironic..
The title of DSB isn't even in the chorus....
This song actually tells a story.........and culminates in the message: DSB..
ohsherrie wrote: If you feel that that three word phrase(and the note progression behind it)is the whole song to you, that's fine with me. To each his own.
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