MR

You know, the more I listen to this CD, the more of Journey I hear. Augeri's voice has improved over the years (whether to vocal lessons/training, steroid inhalers or what, who knows) and he sounds great on this CD. The songs are not all that formulaic and yet, very reminiscent of old-style Journey.

I'm glad they produced and released it. I guess the overriding reason that this CD sounds Journeyish to me is because I can easily "hear" Steve Perry singing these songs (in his day).

The music/songs doesn't go against the grain for me. It seemed like they were still finding their new voice with Arrival, but they have settled into things with Generations.

Fred

The title of this thread says it all!
I agree that the material easily fits in with what the band was doing early with Perry. It would sound different obviously, but I agree that I can hear this material being recorded with Perry as well. It is Journey material, as was all the previous material (except ROR! ) I think the only thing I would change now on the CD, is to have Steve sing a couple more tracks instead of sreading it around so much. I dig it, but I would probably change it...

Thrilled with the record as well. Probly for me the performance of Schon's career to date. A command performance by all the others with special recognition for Augeri making a goddam quantam leap forward with vocals.

Although Trial By Fire is not one of my favorite Journey albums, it does have it's moments that sound like classic Journey. When I first heard Faith in the Heartland, my first impulse was that it sounded like much of the material on TBF. But like Neal said on the video, there is some classic Journey elements in Generations and some material that goes in a totally new direction as well

Scott

swwskj wrote:like Neal said on the video, there is some classic Journey elements in Generations and some material that goes in a totally new direction as well

Which is exactly how it should be!!

Red13JoePa wrote:Thrilled with the record as well. Probly for me the performance of Schon's career to date. A command performance by all the others with special recognition for Augeri making a goddam quantam leap forward with vocals.

Yep, Augeri sounds really good on this CD. I like Deen's voice a lot too. I can live without Ross's, yet it fits nicely on that song he sings on Generations (unlike how he kinda trashed "Walks Like a Lady" when he sang it live in a concert a few weeks back - sorry Ross, but Augeri should have sung that one).

Fred

swwskj wrote:Although Trial By Fire is not one of my favorite Journey albums, it does have it's moments that sound like classic Journey. When I first heard Faith in the Heartland, my first impulse was that it sounded like much of the material on TBF. But like Neal said on the video, there is some classic Journey elements in Generations and some material that goes in a totally new direction as well

Scott

Interesting. The first thing I thought of when I heard FitH was U2. Don't remember if I read Augeri's interview here first, or heard the CD first...but that intro sounds like classic U2...TBF never entered my mind.

I just wish the production or recording quality was better.

I guess this even further proves that we all hear thing differently. The reason I think I like Generations better is because they don't sound as much like Classic Journey as I hear it.

ohsherrie wrote:I guess this even further proves that we all hear thing differently. The reason I think I like Generations better is because they don't sound as much like Classic Journey as I hear it.

I think many people said that about Arrival...they, or Sony, tried too hard to make Arrival sound like Escape era Journey...instead of letting it represent where they are TODAY musicaly.

Generations sounds as much like Classic Journey as Frontiers sounds to Escape, or Escape did to Departure. You don't have to sound exactly the same to draw influence from something. It's obviously Journey, but Journey of the 2000's and not Journey of the 80's.

Monker wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:I guess this even further proves that we all hear thing differently. The reason I think I like Generations better is because they don't sound as much like Classic Journey as I hear it.

I think many people said that about Arrival...they, or Sony, tried too hard to make Arrival sound like Escape era Journey...instead of letting it represent where they are TODAY musicaly.

Generations sounds as much like Classic Journey as Frontiers sounds to Escape, or Escape did to Departure. You don't have to sound exactly the same to draw influence from something. It's obviously Journey, but Journey of the 2000's and not Journey of the 80's.

I guess that's a fair assessment Monker. I just will always think of Journey as the "Perry" sound, sorry that's just the way it is for me. On Arrival I think they had Augeri trying too hard to sound like Perry. On Generations he sounded more like what I assume is his own sound. I like that better because I can hear it more as if I was hearing a new band. There's only one Perry for me, but the band as it is can sound good doing it's own thing.

One of my favorite Journey cds-ERIC

Here's a question:

What song on "Generations" sounds the MOST Un-Journeyish to you?
I mean, I think they all have discernible elements of Journey-eras come and gone, but which is the most deviational?

I'm gonna say Butterfly.

Neal's domineering guitar & the hallmark of a strong J. Cain chorus keeps "Gone Crazy" from taking this spot.

A Better Life.

I still think it sounds like Richard Marx's "Hazard" song.

Also, Every Generation..Billy Joelish

This amazing CD is very reminiscent of old-style Journey. Steve has a great rock voice, and nails the songs, even more so in concert. I loved going to the concert and hearing new Journey material.

If Perry sang these songs, they would sound much different; the distinct rock sound Journey has rediscovered wouldn't be there.

Rock'ndeano wrote:A Better Life.
I still think it sounds like Richard Marx's "Hazard" song.

No way. "A Better Life" sounds ALOT like Journey.
Kinda like a darker version of "Forever in Blue".

You mean to tell me that Believe, Butterfly and Gone Crazy sound more like typical Journey to you than "A Better Life"?
That answer is unacceptable, Deano.
Give me another one.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:.

You mean to tell me that Believe, Butterfly and Gone Crazy sound more like typical Journey to you than "A Better Life"?
That answer is unacceptable, Deano.

Fuck you.

I think ABL is Perryish more so than Journey. I love the tune, but that is my opinion.

Let's cite the obvious. Gone Crazy was stolen from Billy Gibbons on a bus in Lubbock somewhere. That tune is NOT Journey, but I love it.


Butterfly..Yes, Journey. Believe=trash

Believe is a great song, and sounds like it could have been on Departure, or Evolution-ERIC

The_Noble_Cause wrote:What song on "Generations" sounds the MOST Un-Journeyish to you?

It's a toss up between Believe and Knowing That You Love Me.

Biggest departure for me is Beyond The Clouds. I dig the hell out of it and it's totally unlike anything I've heard outa them yet. The exquisite rocker Believe, sounding like Audioslave on Androstendione runs a close second. i love that tune....there's a fat pinata for you to take a 2*4 to, TheNobleBelieveBasher!!

Rock'ndeano wrote: I think ABL is Perryish more so than Journey. I love the tune, but that is my opinion.

I agree, but I think it would be at home among the better ROR tunes.

ohsherrie wrote:It's a toss up between Believe and Knowing That You Love Me.

I think KTYLM is very Journey, as much as WYLAW was, and along with Loved By You and Beyond The Clouds among the best ballads they've done.

Abitaman wrote:Believe is a great song, and sounds like it could have been on Departure, or Evolution-ERIC

I love Believe as well AbM!!! My favorite tune on Generations, along with Place In Your Heart.

Monker wrote:

swwskj wrote:Although Trial By Fire is not one of my favorite Journey albums, it does have it's moments that sound like classic Journey. When I first heard Faith in the Heartland, my first impulse was that it sounded like much of the material on TBF. But like Neal said on the video, there is some classic Journey elements in Generations and some material that goes in a totally new direction as well

Scott

Interesting. The first thing I thought of when I heard FitH was U2. Don't remember if I read Augeri's interview here first, or heard the CD first...but that intro sounds like classic U2...TBF never entered my mind.

I just wish the production or recording quality was better.

Monker, the FITH intro sounds a LOT like ASIA in my opinion.

NoMoreTails wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:It's a toss up between Believe and Knowing That You Love Me.

I think KTYLM is very Journey, as much as WYLAW was, and along with Loved By You and Beyond The Clouds among the best ballads they've done.

Hmmmmmm, I think both of those songs are the "type" of song that could have been on some of the earlier albums, I just don't think think they sound the way Journey would have done them on those albums.

Sorry if that doesn't make sense, it's just the only way I know to explain what I mean.

It's sort of like this; if I heard TPIYH or FITH on the radio and didn't know the name of the band I would think, "that's Journeyesque and it sounds good". If I'd heard Believe or KTYLM I wouldn't have made any connection to Journey.

That's a good way to explain the difference I hear between Gens and Arrival too. To me Gens is Journeyesque and that helps make it good to listen to, but it's not a direct imitation of the classic sound. If I'd heard All The Way or Signs or Life on the radio without knowing who the band was I'd have thought, "whoever that is is trying too hard to sound like Journey and not quite making it, but that guy on the guitar sure has Neal's sound down pat". I don't mean that as a put down, just being honest. Journey is the standard by which I've measured all music of their general style ever since I first heard them.

Sorry, double post.

ohsherrie wrote:Hmmmmmm, I think both of those songs are the "type" of song that could have been on some of the earlier albums, I just don't think think they sound the way Journey would have done them on those albums..

I can understand that to a point, I think they have a bit more edge and are more interesting musically even on the ballads. You might say the same with some of TBF. But then Open Arms is a little to simplistic for them to be content to rehash it every time they do a ballad.

ohsherrie wrote:It's sort of like this; if I heard TPIYH or FITH on the radio and didn't know the name of the band I would think, "that's Journeyesque and it sounds good". If I'd heard Believe or KTYLM I wouldn't have made any connection to Journey..

Or would you say "that is Journey" upon hearing TPIYH or FITH?
I could understand that with Believe, but I feel most people would recognize KTYLM as the Journey sound.

ohsherrie wrote:If I'd heard All The Way or Signs or Life on the radio without knowing who the band was I'd have thought, "whoever that is is trying too hard to sound like Journey and not quite making it, ...

These two I think probably shouldn't have made the album, ATW definitely not.

NoMoreTails wrote:I can understand that to a point, I think they have a bit more edge and are more interesting musically even on the ballads. You might say the same with some of TBF. But then Open Arms is a little to simplistic for them to be content to rehash it every time they do a ballad.

True about the ballads on TBF also being edgier, but they were unmistakably Journey. I just don't hear that in Believe or KTYLM. I guess it's just a difference in how we perceive what we hear or what we're listening for. Maybe because you're a guitar fan and I'm a vocal fan? Dunno.

Or would you say "that is Journey" upon hearing TPIYH or FITH?

No, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it. I wouldn't say "that's Journey" because it wouldn't be Steve Perry. Remember, I'm saying this is what I would think if I had no idea who I was listening to. Even knowing there is still a band with that name I still wouldn't automatically think it was Journey without that voice. I also wouldn't automatically think it was Journey if I heard Steve sing something without the band.

ohsherrie wrote:If I'd heard All The Way or Signs or Life on the radio without knowing who the band was I'd have thought, "whoever that is is trying too hard to sound like Journey and not quite making it, ...

These two I think probably shouldn't have made the album, ATW definitely not.

Most of that cd is that way for me, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy listening to some of it. As I've said I absolutely love Loved By You. I just never would have thought it was really Journey if I heard it on the radio.

ohsherrie wrote:True about the ballads on TBF also being edgier, but they were unmistakably Journey. I just don't hear that in Believe or KTYLM. I guess it's just a difference in how we perceive what we hear or what we're listening for. Maybe because you're a guitar fan and I'm a vocal fan? Dunno..

Not talking about Believe, but KTYLM and most of what they've done since '98 has been easily identifiable as Journey to me, including Augeri's vocals. Different than Perry's of course, which I'm glad of, but very Journey. The Journey sound does exist without Perry, the two new instrumentals on Time3 were evidence of this, imo.

ohsherrie wrote:Most of that cd is that way for me, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy listening to some of it. As I've said I absolutely love Loved By You....

I believe that more of TBF falls into that category than Arrival.

NoMoreTails wrote: The Journey sound does exist without Perry, the two new instrumentals on Time3 were evidence of this, imo.

I know NMT, I'm just talking about the way I hear it.

ohsherrie wrote:

NoMoreTails wrote: The Journey sound does exist without Perry, the two new instrumentals on Time3 were evidence of this, imo.

I know NMT, I'm just talking about the way I hear it.

That may be the problem. You are hearing this, but not listening. How can you only "hear Perry" in Journey? Come on Sherrie, that is regoddamdiculous.