MR

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:04 am**

........on whether the band as it is now sounds like Journey to the average listener. :lol:

When I picked up my 7 yr old grandson(who's of course heard Journey his whole life)from school I had Arrival playing. As soon as he finished fillling me in on all the events of his day and heard what was playing, he said, "Man, I can't believe your not playing Journey, that's all you ever play". I asked him, "Don't you think it sounds like Journey?" He said, "Well sort of, but not the same."

There you have it, out of the mouthes of babes. :wink:

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:22 am**

ohsherrie wrote:........on whether the band as it is now sounds like Journey to the average listener.

I don't know what this means. The cd clearly says Journey on it - that's what it is. Van Halen w/ Hagar doesn't sound like Halen with Roth, but it's still fucking Van Halen. Why? Because the cd says so.

Play the early pre-Perry albums for your son. Ask him what he thinks it is. The same rule applies. Despite what he may think, it is still Journey.

ohsherrie wrote:When I picked up my 7 yr old grandson(who's of course heard Journey his whole life)from school I had Arrival playing. As soon as he finished fillling me in on all the events of his day and heard what was playing, he said, "Man, I can't believe your not playing Journey, that's all you ever play". I asked him, "Don't you think it sounds like Journey?" He said, "Well sort of, but not the same."

The boy is still very young and his skull is still soft.
Give him a few years yet.

ohsherrie wrote:There you have it, out of the mouthes of babes.

Like Grandma like grandson.
You're both not very astute and your both dead wrong.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:40 am**

Wow, what a great comeback post, TNC. You nailed it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:28 am**

ohsherrie wrote:........on whether the band as it is now sounds like Journey to the average listener.

When I picked up my 7 yr old grandson(who's of course heard Journey his whole life)from school I had Arrival playing. As soon as he finished fillling me in on all the events of his day and heard what was playing, he said, "Man, I can't believe your not playing Journey, that's all you ever play". I asked him, "Don't you think it sounds like Journey?" He said, "Well sort of, but not the same."

There you have it, out of the mouthes of babes.

Here's the key: he said "sort of". And that is accurate. It does not sound like the "Journey" he usually hears you play and he probably knows that "that Journey" will not be putting anything new out so he can make the assumption that "new to him Journey" would not be "Journey". But once you asked, he did say it sort of sounded like Journey.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:27 pm**

jrnyman28 wrote:
Here's the key: he said "sort of". And that is accurate. It does not sound like the "Journey" he usually hears you play and he probably knows that "that Journey" will not be putting anything new out so he can make the assumption that "new to him Journey" would not be "Journey". But once you asked, he did say it sort of sounded like Journey.

You're right about the sound Dave, he knew it was close, but not exactly the same. However, I haven't really talked to him about the "Journey" situation. We talk about Harry Potter, LOTR and Chronicles of Narnia. He has no idea about new and old Journey.

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I just thought this was a cute, but insightful exchange to post about. Sorry if some of you took it as as being offensive. Insult me all you want, but please don't say nasty things about my grandson.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:40 pm**

someone said something mean about your grandson? hopeless ingrates.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:51 pm**

Marabelle wrote:someone said something mean about your grandson? hopeless ingrates.

I guess I'm just being too sensitive. I probably should never have posted it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:54 pm**

yes you should have posted it...why not...you'd think people had the decency to show some respect when it comes to a small child.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:59 pm**

Marabelle wrote:yes you should have posted it...why not...you'd think people had the decency to show some respect when it comes to a small child.

Nobody was really disrespectful. I said his head was "still soft" from being so young and that him and his granny are both "myopic and dead wrong" when it comes to Journey
All in good fun.
No hard feelings here.

As I said in a pm to Sherrie, if someone doesn't care for Augeri-Journey even slightly (be it someone's grandchild, the Pope, a Holocaust survivor) the odds are pretty good that they will incur my wrath.
Nothing sacred around here, y'know.
Sorry again.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:00 pm**

Marabelle wrote:yes you should have posted it...why not...you'd think people had the decency to show some respect when it comes to a small child.

I just didn't think of the possible inflamatory nature of it at the time. I should have.

It's all OK Marabelle. Thank you for caring.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:37 pm**

Hey, Marabelle, why don't you read the thread before calling anyone a hopeless ingrate. No one insulted her grandson. She is just trying to start something.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:16 am**

Perhaps he has been taught that Perry is Journey.
He means that Augeri sounds kind of like Perry but not the same, not that Journey doesn't sound like Journey??
If he were to hear something from FLOPSM would he think that was Journey?

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:33 am**

[quote="NoMoreTails"]Perhaps he has been taught that Perry is Journey.
He means that Augeri sounds kind of like Perry but not the same, not that Journey doesn't sound like Journey??
If he were to hear something from FLOPSM would he think that was Journey?[/quote

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If he were to hear something from "Dead 13" would he think THAT was Journey.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:39 am**

The_Noble_Cause wrote:As I said in a pm to Sherrie, if someone doesn't care for Augeri-Journey even slightly (be it someone's grandchild, the Pope, a Holocaust survivor) the odds are pretty good that they will incur my wrath.

Well, THAT certainly shows maturity and tolerance, Noble. I'm sure there are things other people like that YOU don't, but they're not rude and digging on you. I think you could show a little open mindedness to others opinion, no matter WHO or how old they are.

Mom was right, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:45 am**

heardonthestreet wrote: ...........................................
If he were to hear something from "Dead 13" would he think THAT was Journey.

Glad you agree, Perry didn't sing on Red13 so he would not think that was Journey.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:48 am**

NoMoreTails wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote: ...........................................
If he were to hear something from "Dead 13" would he think THAT was Journey.

Glad you agree, Perry didn't sing on Red13 so he would not think that was Journey.

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Glad you agree that if Perry isn't singing, it's not Journey. Good Man! :wink:

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:16 am**

heardonthestreet wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote: ...........................................
If he were to hear something from "Dead 13" would he think THAT was Journey.

Glad you agree, Perry didn't sing on Red13 so he would not think that was Journey.

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Glad you agree that if Perry isn't singing, it's not Journey. Good Man!

Ha, funny...
NO MORE TAILS

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:30 am**

I thought Remember Me sounded like Classic Journey at its best. Some of Arrival also sounded like classic Journey. Red 13 was TREMENDOUS and sounded like classic Journey.

As for Generations not even close. To me it sounds like pre Steve Perry Journey.

Would of I EVER liked Journey if Steve Perry had not joined the band.....

ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'm not into fusion music, whatever the hell that is. I have heard alot of pre Perry Journey music, and I do not like it.

I liked the direction of the band up until Generations. There are a few good songs on the Generation disc, but for the most part I dont like it and it does not sound like Classic Journey.

It sounds to me like they are trying to break away from the Steve Perry sound with Generations. Mission accomplished!!!

In concert I know they are TOTALLY awesome still. But as for the new disc????

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:21 am**

yogi wrote: Red 13 was TREMENDOUS and sounded like classic Journey.

No it didn't. Red 13 was great, but besides the closing track, none of it has that distinctive classic Journey sound.
State of Grace sounds like 'classic' Journey to you?
Which classic would that be?
As far as I know, no previous Journey song had a techno intro.

yogi wrote:As for Generations not even close. To me it sounds like pre Steve Perry Journey.

Bullshit. Tracks 1,2,3,13, are all classic Journey.

yogi wrote:I liked the direction of the band up until Generations. There are a few good songs on the Generation disc, but for the most part I dont like it and it does not sound like Classic Journey.

Why should everything sound like classic Journey?
"The Time" and "State of Grace" from Red 13 did not sound like classic Journey at all, but they were still good songs. I have no problem with Journey breaking new musical ground as long as the songs remain strong.
An example of breaking new ground in a bad way would be track 6 on Generations. It doesn't sound like classic Journey, and taken on it's own innovative merits it still sucks.

yogi wrote:It sounds to me like they are trying to break away from the Steve Perry sound with Generations. Mission accomplished!!!

Wrong again. Tracks 1,2,3,7,8,and 13 are all very Journey-ish. How many Journey albums do you own man? It sounds like you only own the greatest hits. Not every track on every album was a radio friendly toe-tapper. They have always done more eccentric, offbeat stuff.
"Generations" merely continues this tradition (though some would argue too far).

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:03 am**

I strongly disagree with you. I REALLY liked all four tracks off of Red 13. To me they sounded like Journey. As did Arrival & Remember Me. On their new disc I would say 5 or 6 tracks out of 13 sound like Journey. Out of those 5 or 6, I like maybe 3 or 4.

So when I do the math. I liked Remember Me ( 1 out of 1) I liked all of the EP ( 4 out of 4), and I liked probably 7 out of 13 or 14 songs off of Arrival. Which is half of the CD. Still ALL of thge above sounded like Journey to me.

I like the band. I just dont like their new CD. To me they sound like they want to break away from the Steve Perry led Journey. Like I said mission accomplished!

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:11 am**

Red 13 is generally known as a different direction, kind of an experiment for the band, isn't it? To me, that is NOTHING like classic Journey. Gens sounds, to me, more like Journey than Arrival does. I think Gens is the best album since Frontiers.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:22 am**

yogi wrote:I strongly disagree with you.

I don't care. You're wrong. What previous songs in Journey's catalog sound anything remotely like "The Time"?
The answer is there isn't any.
Red 13 was largely a new sound and a bold step in the right direction.

yogi wrote:I REALLY liked all four tracks off of Red 13.

"I can Breathe" sounded like Journey and maybe so did "Walking Away from the Edge" to a lesser degree. The first two tracks, while great songs, did not sound like "classic Journey". Saying that they do is pure, unadulterated hogwash.

yogi wrote:To me they sounded like Journey.

Bull.
"State of Grace" and "The Time" while terrific songs did not sound like classic Journey.

yogi wrote:On their new disc I would say 5 or 6 tracks out of 13 sound like Journey. Out of those 5 or 6, I like maybe 3 or 4.

That's what I said. Tracks 1,2,3,7,8, 13 sound like Journey. Maybe the others aren't distinctively Journey, but I think they still are very Journey-ish. Again, not every Journey song in their vast catalog was an immediately catchy top-40 toe-tapper. I think you need to go listen to some of the earlier albums, get familiarized with some deep cuts. At the moment, you sound like the type of fan who would say that the only good song on "Departure" is Any Way You Want It and the rest is disposable trash.

yogi wrote:To me they sound like they want to break away from the Steve Perry led Journey. Like I said mission accomplished!

Disagree. They are still playing it fairly safe. As Neal said recently in an interview about the cd..."we are def. not trying to re-invent the wheel at this point."

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:45 am**

IMO:

Remember Me, definately Journey. There was enough of the Journey sound AND Steve to make you see where this band could go without Perry. Brilliant song!

Arrival sounded like Journey trying too hard to sound like Perry-era Journey. The breakout tunes were the ones that sounded a little different, because Journey is a little different. Songs like Kiss Me Softly and We Will Meet Again showed a glimpse of a new direction for the band. But Arrival definately sounded like Journey.

Red 13 was very different for the band. First, the mix was rough but it brought an intensity and energy to the songs. Only I Can Breathe sounded like the Journey we all recognize. But The Time, State Of Grace and Walking Away From The Edge rank among the absolute best work Journey has done post-Perry.

Generations is the best full-length CD since Frontiers. And it is very similar to Frontiers in that there are a lot of the more experimental sounds to it. I like the mix of styles. There are definately songs that are unmistakenly Journey. There are others that are Journey pushing new ground. Then there are a couple that miss the mark a little. The CD may have benefitted from a different track list or maybe one substitution but it is a very good CD that harkens back through ALL eras of Journey. I hear nods to the pre-Perry era and a HUGE representaion of the Infinity-Departure era. There are a couple songs that fit right in the Escape-ROR era. And they all sound like a 'new' Journey! I htink the band overdid the multiple vocalist idea but I applaud them for not worrying about any "boxes" the fans think they should fit into.

With Neal and Jon, there will always be songs that sound like the Journey we remember. But they are also branching out. Sometimes it works (Red 13), sometimes it doesn't (Believe). But it is all Journey...

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:00 am**

jrnyman28 wrote:IMO:

Remember Me, definately Journey. There was enough of the Journey sound AND Steve to make you see where this band could go without Perry. Brilliant song!

Arrival sounded like Journey trying too hard to sound like Perry-era Journey. The breakout tunes were the ones that sounded a little different, because Journey is a little different. Songs like Kiss Me Softly and We Will Meet Again showed a glimpse of a new direction for the band. But Arrival definately sounded like Journey.

Red 13 was very different for the band. First, the mix was rough but it brought an intensity and energy to the songs. Only I Can Breathe sounded like the Journey we all recognize. But The Time, State Of Grace and Walking Away From The Edge rank among the absolute best work Journey has done post-Perry.

Generations is the best full-length CD since Frontiers. And it is very similar to Frontiers in that there are a lot of the more experimental sounds to it. I like the mix of styles. There are definately songs that are unmistakenly Journey. There are others that are Journey pushing new ground. Then there are a couple that miss the mark a little. The CD may have benefitted from a different track list or maybe one substitution but it is a very good CD that harkens back through ALL eras of Journey. I hear nods to the pre-Perry era and a HUGE representaion of the Infinity-Departure era. There are a couple songs that fit right in the Escape-ROR era. And they all sound like a 'new' Journey! I htink the band overdid the multiple vocalist idea but I applaud them for not worrying about any "boxes" the fans think they should fit into.With Neal and Jon, there will always be songs that sound like the Journey we remember. But they are also branching out.

Well put, Dave.

jrnyman28 wrote:Sometimes it works (Red 13), sometimes it doesn't (Believe). But it is all Journey...

You can say that again.
Man, is 'Believe' a stinker or what?

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:28 am**

ohsherrie wrote:........on whether the band as it is now sounds like Journey to the average listener.

When I picked up my 7 yr old grandson(who's of course heard Journey his whole life)from school I had Arrival playing. As soon as he finished fillling me in on all the events of his day and heard what was playing, he said, "Man, I can't believe your not playing Journey, that's all you ever play". I asked him, "Don't you think it sounds like Journey?" He said, "Well sort of, but not the same."

There you have it, out of the mouthes of babes.

My 10 year old and 5 Say the same thing to me, all you ever play is Styx and Journey. I put Generations on the day I got my copy, had it cranked up when they got home from school. My youngest asked if that was Journey, I said yep, than my oldest said it was good and said she never heard this song before, and if it was new.....Quess Mississippi kids are just smarter :wink:

-ERIC

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:47 am**

NealIsGod wrote:Hey, Marabelle, why don't you read the thread before calling anyone a hopeless ingrate. No one insulted her grandson. She is just trying to start something.

No NIG, I wasn't trying to start anything. I would have thought that, by now, you would know that. I've said before that if I had heard any material from the band on the radio I wouldn't have immediately thought it was Journey, but I would have thought it was good. I associate the Journey sound with the Perry voice, but that doesn't mean I think everyone does.

Like I said to Dave, I don't talk to my grandson about Journey. So he had no idea what he was saying as it applies to this board or the Journey situation.

I truly wish I had never posted it. Sorry to all. :oops:

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:33 am**

ohsherrie wrote:Like I said to Dave, I don't talk to my grandson about Journey. So he had no idea what he was saying as it applies to this board or the Journey situation.

I was implying that, because of what you listen to, your son has been influenced to think that Journey (with Perry) and Perry solo, are what equal Journey. I didn;t mean that you have told him the situation.

ohsherrie wrote:I truly wish I had never posted it. Sorry to all.

Don't say that. But I do think Marabelle made it into more than it was.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:19 am**

jrnyman28 wrote:
I was implying that, because of what you listen to, your son has been influenced to think that Journey (with Perry) and Perry solo, are what equal Journey. I didn;t mean that you have told him the situation.

I didn't think you did Dave. I was just using the quote from you to make sure everyone knew that I didn't coerce him into saying what he did. It was just an innocent statement from a little boy. I don't know if he knows the difference between Perry solo and Journey or not because I've never asked him.

Don't say that. But I do think Marabelle made it into more than it was.

It was my fault more than anyone's. I just saw it in a different way than others apparently did.

As Andrew would say, No Worries.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:01 pm**

ohsherrie wrote:It was my fault more than anyone's.

Yeah, it was a thinly veiled dig at the new lineup. Nothing new.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:58 pm**

NealIsGod wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:It was my fault more than anyone's.

Yeah, it was a thinly veiled dig at the new lineup. Nothing new.

I don't know why you see it that way, and I'm sorry you do. I respectfully suggest though, that since your feelings about it are coming from something you inferred from what I posted, rather than anything I intentionally implied, the problem must be with you, not me.

I meant nothing negative by anything that I said.

Do you really think everyone is supposed to think the band sounds the same now as it did with Perry? That just seems completely unrealistic to me.

Are we not allowed to discuss the different ways we hear the music, even if we like what we hear?

I think we may have a case of a couple people being a little oversensitive on the subject. :wink:

MR

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