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I was listening to So This Is Eden from Bad English's Backlash CD on my IPOD today. I love Neal's playing on that track. What does everyone else think about Neal's guitar work on the two BE's releases?



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Jim

The solo on Price of Love from the first cd is nothing but awesome, and I have a remix extended version that is even better. Rockin horse is good to.

First cd comes off a lot better IMO, than the second.-ERIC

Bad English were great. It's a shame they only ever put out those two albums. Weren't they ex-babys and ex-journey? And yeah, Neil was great.

Penny wrote:Bad English were great. It's a shame they only ever put out those two albums. Weren't they ex-babys and ex-journey? And yeah, Neil was great.

And still is, Penny!

And is he not getting BETTER NIG? The guy is like a bottle of Merlot sitting in the perfect spot on RockNDeano's rack in his wine cellar at the perfect temperature just doing it's thing and getting better every day.

I agree w/ Abita, I like the debut better than backlash. I can't say Neal's any better or worse on either. Yeoman's (Brilliant, actually as usual) efforts both times. And as he proved during the ROR sessions, he's got the ability of a pro to shut outside turmoils totally out of his playing and just continue to put on clinics. Probably the case w/ the Waitey Backlash.

I prefer the first album to Backlash as well. There's not a bad track on it.

Oh, I really like Bad English's music and I love the music by The Baby's Great thread

Penny says:

Bad English were great. It's a shame they only ever put out those two albums. Weren't they ex-babys and ex-journey? And yeah, Neil was great.

Penny,

Here's the line up of Bad English:

A. John Waite (vocals), Jonathan Cain (keyboards), and Ricky Phillips (now with Styx) (bass) from The Babys, Neal Schon (guitar) from Journey (in which Jon Cain was also a member) and newcomer Deen Castronovo (drums). Deen had been in bands such as Wild Dogs, Armageddon, Enemy, and the Tony McAlpine Band before being asked to join Bad English by Neal Schon.



USELESS BAD ENGLISH INFORMATION ALERT

Q. Where did the name "Bad English" come from?

A. Jonathan Cain was reading a book on pool strategies. He was trying to teach the other guys the shots he was reading about. There was right english and left english. But when Neal Schon hit the ball it went in the total opposite direction of what the book said. Thus Jonathan Cain coined the term "bad english."

Q. Why did Bad English break up?

A. This explanation was given by bass player Ricky Phillips in an interview with Andrew McNeice:

"Too many cooks. Nobody was willing to bend anymore. Everyone forget what the beauty of being in a band was all about, and at some point there has to be some degree of a democracy, or all the parties have to agree that one person is the dictator. It can't be both, and er, when you've got four great writers in one band, somebody's got to give. The first record we all kind of pitched in and did our job. First off I was really involved in the songwriting, then Neal came into the situation, and I pushed him forward. He would come over to my house and I would record his ideas one after another, cause they were so brilliant. But after awhile everyone forgot what the chemistry was, everyone was fighting for their ideas, instead of finding where the most natural flow was.

"And people started keeping score, and that's where the dissatisfaction started cropping up. Quite frankly Jonathan Cain and John Waite tried to take over during the second record, and run it, and that's when Neal Schon and I basically said at one point - Let's finish this record, but this is not really what I'm here for. And slowly but surely I didn't change, it got worse and we really fell apart and split up during the making of that second record. It was at that point he record company kinda lost interest in putting anything behind it. Which is a shame, because there are some really classy pieces of music on that record. You could feel that tension, which in a way is kinda cool, I mean I can really feel the tension in the recording of those songs, and I like that."

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Oh, I really like Bad English's music and I love the music by The Baby's Great thread

Penny says:

Bad English were great. It's a shame they only ever put out those two albums. Weren't they ex-babys and ex-journey? And yeah, Neil was great.

Penny,

Here's the line up of Bad English:

A. John Waite (vocals), Jonathan Cain (keyboards), and Ricky Phillips (now with Styx) (bass) from The Babys, Neal Schon (guitar) from Journey (in which Jon Cain was also a member) and newcomer Deen Castronovo (drums). Deen had been in bands such as Wild Dogs, Armageddon, Enemy, and the Tony McAlpine Band before being asked to join Bad English by Neal Schon.



USELESS BAD ENGLISH INFORMATION ALERT

Q. Where did the name "Bad English" come from?

A. Jonathan Cain was reading a book on pool strategies. He was trying to teach the other guys the shots he was reading about. There was right english and left english. But when Neal Schon hit the ball it went in the total opposite direction of what the book said. Thus Jonathan Cain coined the term "bad english."

Q. Why did Bad English break up?

A. This explanation was given by bass player Ricky Phillips in an interview with Andrew McNeice:

"Too many cooks. Nobody was willing to bend anymore. Everyone forget what the beauty of being in a band was all about, and at some point there has to be some degree of a democracy, or all the parties have to agree that one person is the dictator. It can't be both, and er, when you've got four great writers in one band, somebody's got to give. The first record we all kind of pitched in and did our job. First off I was really involved in the songwriting, then Neal came into the situation, and I pushed him forward. He would come over to my house and I would record his ideas one after another, cause they were so brilliant. But after awhile everyone forgot what the chemistry was, everyone was fighting for their ideas, instead of finding where the most natural flow was.

"And people started keeping score, and that's where the dissatisfaction started cropping up. Quite frankly Jonathan Cain and John Waite tried to take over during the second record, and run it, and that's when Neal Schon and I basically said at one point - Let's finish this record, but this is not really what I'm here for. And slowly but surely I didn't change, it got worse and we really fell apart and split up during the making of that second record. It was at that point he record company kinda lost interest in putting anything behind it. Which is a shame, because there are some really classy pieces of music on that record. You could feel that tension, which in a way is kinda cool, I mean I can really feel the tension in the recording of those songs, and I like that."

Great post Suite!


I remember listening to an interview with Waite where he said Neal's playing on Backlash was the best he had done up until that point. I also read where Neal was helping Cain and Waite on demo's when they asked him to join the band. That's why IMO the first BE CD is a bit more keyboard oriented than the second one.

It certainly showed off Neal's abilities in a different way than Journey had.

Yeah, I like the Babys too. John Waite has gotten quite a bit of bad press but he's a great vocalist.

Penny wrote:Yeah, I like the Babys too. John Waite has gotten quite a bit of bad press but he's a great vocalist.

Some of it is his fault, but shows how the music bus is, you go against the tied and you get blamed, go with the tied and you get blamed

Yep, gotta watch that tide.

Penny wrote:Yep, gotta watch that tide.

Really! Especially when you spell it wrong like I did-ERIC