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Caught this today....on Dead or alive Steve is smoking what looks to be a ciggarette, about 1 minute into the track...never saw this before...On the fastest song they play too, I don't know why this surprised me...but it did..

- Brandon

I'd think he'd try to keep the smoke off the stage away from Steve Perry
Smoke really can mess up a singers voice

Shadowsong wrote:I'd think he'd try to keep the smoke off the stage away from Steve Perry
Smoke really can mess up a singers voice

You got THAT right....

I had to go to the Emergency Room a few years back; I worked at a nightclub as a waitress. I spiked a fever, was dizzy, and couldn't breathe. The doctor examined me and asked ME - a SINGER - how many cigarettes I smoked per day...I told him, "I don't smoke!!" He told me that according to what he heard in his stethescope, I had developed "SMOKER'S COUGH"



From NIGHT-CLUB SECONDHAND SMOKE.

sngrchk04 wrote:

Shadowsong wrote:I'd think he'd try to keep the smoke off the stage away from Steve Perry
Smoke really can mess up a singers voice

You got THAT right....

I had to go to the Emergency Room a few years back; I worked at a nightclub as a waitress. I spiked a fever, was dizzy, and couldn't breathe. The doctor examined me and asked ME - a SINGER - how many cigarettes I smoked per day...I told him, "I don't smoke!!" He told me that according to what he heard in his stethescope, I had developed "SMOKER'S COUGH"



From NIGHT-CLUB SECONDHAND SMOKE.

Yeah, and I would just love hear the Perry heads pin his vocal decline on "second-hand" smoke...hahaha....Anyway - sorry to hear about your "cough"...but you know...Rock & Roll lifestyle and Dr's tend to not mix...

brandonpfn wrote:Anyway - sorry to hear about your "cough"...but you know...Rock & Roll lifestyle and Dr's tend to not mix...

Well it was "back in the day" ('96-98 ) when I was just about to GIVE UP on singing, except for just goofing around with - yes- Karaoke because NOTHING was going on with furthering myself in my singing career....

I feel for you
I have always been sensitive to smoke
Nightclubs can be the worst
the air is thick with smoke

My neighbor smokes
and it comes thru the walls
annoys me to no end
have you ever seen a smokers apt
never mind there lungs
Everything is covered with a yellow sticky film
Had to have the intercom replace because the button self destructed from all the gook
The unit was covered in sticky yellow tar

It doesn't matter if you smoke or not
If you breath the smoke
your lungs become a filter

Now laws are becoming better
Its no longer "I have a right to smoke wherever I want"
like I used to hear
Now you can work and eat in a smoke free enviroment
and not have steak tartar...

Back to the subject
I think there was lots of smoking going on in the concerts
and it all wasn;t cigarette...
Sure that takes its toll on a singer voice and everyone health in general

I heard Aretha Franklin had the AC turned off at her concerts and asked everyone not to smoke as those things played havoc with her voice

I think I'll have to take a look at that clip mentioned
but it must be quite a talant to smoke and play drums
I was a bit concerned at the miking of the drums
I felt it could of been a bit in the way
He did hit a mike on his solo and I suppose they cut the sound out of that.

Steve Smith is a technical drummer
I've read interviews and he's done all the la did da
sticking techniques & exercizes to build his chops
I myself was learning some crossovers and just for the heck of it used to practice on match books just to get a precision
Too bad I never really got the hang of the kit and put it all together
But that was a long time ago when I was interested in the drums
My main passion is singing
and as a singer we try to stay far away from smoke.

brandonpfn wrote:
Yeah, and I would just love hear the Perry heads pin his vocal decline on "second-hand" smoke...

Yeah, that no good, Goddamned Steve Machine Gun Smith ruined Espees' chords....little drummer boy..

Loved Steve Smith on drums
In fact I've always said the drums on Journey (well before the drum machine crap) sounded much better than the drums on some of Steve Perrys solo projects most notablt Street Talk.
I love the solo projects but they fell short in the drum department.
The driving powerful force was gone.
I know Steve Perry was a drummer and has an ear for drums
but they just sat limp in the background and left me wanting more.
Don;t know if it was miking, mixing or a lousy shallow snare
but it just didn;t move me.

Thunder was replaced by snap crackle & pop

Shadowsong wrote:Don;t know if it was miking, mixing or a lousy shallow snare

That's what it sounds like to me..Especially on "I Believe" it sounds like the Penn State Marching Bands drums...

Thunder was replaced by snap crackle & pop

Yep, sure was. I think Deen hits em harder and heavier, but to me Smitty filled em in so magically....but Smitty couldn't sing...

Huh..well, if I can get a show of hands? Is it a regular or 'magic' ciggarette?

Shadowsong wrote:Loved Steve Smith on drums
In fact I've always said the drums on Journey (well before the drum machine crap) sounded much better than the drums on some of Steve Perrys solo projects most notablt Street Talk.
I love the solo projects but they fell short in the drum department.
The driving powerful force was gone.
I know Steve Perry was a drummer and has an ear for drums
but they just sat limp in the background and left me wanting more.
Don;t know if it was miking, mixing or a lousy shallow snare
but it just didn;t move me.

Thunder was replaced by snap crackle & pop

As much as I believe Deen is an asset to Journey....I miss Smitty more than I miss Perry! If there was a debate to be had, it would be that one. Smitty made me listen to the drums! And one thing that pissed me off, is that Perry has often times thanked Smitty for essentially staying out of his way. And then to read all the work that Smitty put into to preparing for TBF to please Perry....just chaps my ass. Now I have never heard Perry drumming, but I would suspect that he was as much a drummer as I am...he kept a beat. Even in The Sullies, he was the singer/drummer.

I have also heard Steve Perry praise Steve Smiths drums
He's said he was there right with him and he credits Steve Smiths playing as it allowed him to reach with his vocie and soar.

Countless times he can be seen with his back to the audience dancing
and just getting into Steve Smiths groove

Shadowsong wrote:I have also heard Steve Perry praise Steve Smiths drums
He's said he was there right with him and he credits Steve Smiths playing as it allowed him to reach with his vocie and soar.

Countless times he can be seen with his back to the audience dancing
and just getting into Steve Smiths groove

See, that is what I am getting at: Perry praises Smitty for playing in a way to allow HIM to do what HE wants to do. They just sound like back-handed compliments to me. Perry always seems to 'qualify' his praise of Smitty.

Isn;t that what makes a good band a great band
Sure good musicians can each go there own way
doing there own thing
But a great band works together
each building on each others strengths rather than showcasing there own

Steve Smith is a jazz oriented drummer
He worked very hard to train to get the right sound to bring together Journey

It wasn;t the Steve Smith Project it was Journey

Shadowsong wrote:Isn;t that what makes a good band a great band
Sure good musicians can each go there own way
doing there own thing
But a great band works together
each building on each others strengths rather than showcasing there own

Steve Smith is a jazz oriented drummer
He worked very hard to train to get the right sound to bring together Journey

It wasn;t the Steve Smith Project it was Journey

It is what makes a great band. But Perry always sounded like his appreciation for Smitty had little to do with Smitty's real talent, and more to do with his willingness to 'stay out of Perry's way' IMO. It was rarely acknowledged by Perry just how hard Smitty DID work to 'get the right sound'. And then Smitty was summarily dismissed because he was "not able" to bring the sound Perry wanted....a simplistic drum-machine sound that was far below Smitty's level!

Yes SP did that
He said it just seemed to be the thing for the music at the time
He was trying to get a sound
He admits in hindsight that if he had to do it all over he would
have not made that decision..

Just not a thing you do to a competent drummer who had been a long time member of the band
Its not like SS was coming in stoned out of his mind and screwing up.
Sometimes we do stupid things for what we think are valid reasons.
Donlt know what he was looking for
Maybe he really didn;t know
Who knows if he ever found it
He has to learn to ease up a bit on himself and others
Sometimes we are our own worst enemy

Lots of good singers smoke.

Penny wrote:Lots of good singers smoke.

Name One.

Whitney "was a good singer" Houston smokes.

Ville Valo

Rock'ndeano wrote:

Penny wrote:Lots of good singers smoke.

Name One.

John Farnham.

Lauri Ylonen smokes too. If his voice isn't rough enough when they are recording, his manager makes him smoke more.

Good could be better
Just because you can walk in shackles
doesn;t mean its not harder and in the long run holds you back....

Smoke has tar nicotine and heat
it coats and is going to affect the vocal chords and lungs

I think if you have a god given vocal instrument
you do need to take care of it
cause you can't change strings or buy another one
thats it and when its shot its shot

Well, I guess if one is fond of smoky voices
then go ahead
smoke your head off

Penny wrote:Ville Valo

Who the Hell is Ville Valo?

Penny, check yourself..you are throwing out names of smokers..NOT good singers who smoke.

I don't see Perry, Augeri, Cronin, DeYoung, Bono, Twain, Ryhmes, or any other GOOD singers, puffing cancer sticks...

You misread what I asked.

I asked for good singers who smoke...NOT smokers who can't sing..

Damned double posts.

I;m afraid most of them floated above my head in a cloud of smoke

Shadowsong wrote:I;m afraid most of them floated above my head in a cloud of smoke

Shadow, I gotta say this...

; this is not used in contractions-----------------------this--' is..

I'm --------- not ------------- I;m

Thats what I get for typing in the dark
Don;t let it bug you
Get used to it
I took the 2 finger typing course
and I'm just about the worst typist on earth
well except for Chucky
I see he uses one finger