MR

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:07 pm**

Hello all..... :mrgreen:

I'm still in shock....get a load of THIS one: :shock:

I was working out before to some dance music, flipping around to different pre-set stations....well, one of the stations is out of NYC - 103.5 WKTU - which is the ULTIMATE in dance / old-school / techno, etc. (those of you in the "Tri-State" area know what I'm talking about, if you like that kind of music).

So anyway, I flip to it and I hear, of all things, Steve Perry

"...right down the line it's been you and me...." etc -

I start to get a BAD FEELING about this, so I throw on a cassette tape....the song continues until he says the word "Faithfully".....

and then I hear a "record scratch" sound effect, and a male "New Yawker" voice says, and I quote:

"HEY DJ!! WHY DONTCHA PLAY SOMETHING DIFFERENT?!"

...and then it launches into the DANCE VERSION OF "FAITHFULLY", SUNG BY SOME CHICK NAMED JUDY TORRES!!!

Not only THAT, but she CHANGED THE WORDS TO SAY:

"...and lovin' a girl like me ain't always what it's supposed to be..."!!!

:shock:

Please tell me this is possible because of some "public domain" loophole....

....or is the Music Industry SO DESPERATE that it would DELIBERATELY TRASH a song like that?!

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:36 pm**

sngrchk04 wrote:....or is the Music Industry SO DESPERATE that it would DELIBERATELY TRASH a song like that?!

*sigh* It just joins a LOOOOOONG list....

Under Pressure
Every Breath You Take
Dangerous Type
Kashmir
Edge of Seventeen

I could go on and on....

The "musicians" of today are fabricated. They have absolutely NO talent of their own to write songs, so the next logical step is to take great classic songs and put a dance beat behind them. But to add to your disappointed, your anger is wrongly directed at the music industry for full blame. These artists have to have the ORIGINAL artists okedoke before they can sample them. Guess what that means....?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:43 pm**

Angiekay wrote:But to add to your disappointed, your anger is wrongly directed at the music industry for full blame. These artists have to have the ORIGINAL artists okedoke before they can sample them. Guess what that means....?

Hang on a minute....I'm editing this to correct myself:

This was NOT sampled....the original song was played as a "lead-in" to the dance version, with the New Yawker guy acting as a "segway".

The song was a techno-dance version of the song, completely redone - with the pounding DOOMP-DOOMP-DOOMP-DOOMP!! of "club" music.

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:00 pm**

How disgusting! :roll:

However and for whatever reason this happened, you're right Nora, it's certainly a TRAVESTY!

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:35 pm**

Well, I suppose if there's a check in the mail for Jon Cain for using that song, then no harm done....

I know that artist today are pathetic...but so long as the OA get their dues...its fine...

Not too long ago, Roger Sanchez sampled Steve Lukather's 'I Won't Hold You Back' into his dance song and Luke was cool with it. In fact he was happy, that an 80s Toto song is getting some recognition in the new milleinium...!

Cheers.

Ray

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:40 pm**

sngrchk04 wrote:Hang on a minute....I'm editing this to correct myself:

This was NOT sampled....the original song was played as a "lead-in" to the dance version, with the New Yawker guy acting as a "segway".

The song was a techno-dance version of the song, completely redone - with the pounding DOOMP-DOOMP-DOOMP-DOOMP!! of "club" music.

Same same. I remember when No Doubt used the beginning of Steve Miller' Jungle Love on Hey Baby off their Rock Steady album, it was a milestone because people had been after Miller for *years* to use his songs and he would never give in. Same with Janet Jackson's use of Ventura Highway by America. Then there is Aerosmith and Jimmy Page who actually performed WITH the artists on their remake.
:roll:

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:48 pm**

Do these people have to get permission to use this stuff? If not, then why have so many artists gotten sued for using music that "sounds" like someone else's? (for example, George Harrison's My Sweet Lord being accused of sounding like He's So Fine)

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:52 pm**

ohsherrie wrote:Do these people have to get permission to use this stuff? If not, then why have so many artists gotten sued for using music that "sounds" like someone else's? (for example, George Harrison's My Sweet Lord being accused of sounding like He's So Fine)

That's WHY he got sued. Plagiarism. Not that it was the song, but that it blatantly stole from it.

Oh, and to add to the weirdness of THAT concept, some songwriters have been sued by their record companies for writing songs that sound too much like their OLD songs. John Forgerty: Old Man Down The Road=Run Through the Jungle. Sting for using the end of Every Little Thing She Does is Magic in one of his solo songs which the damn name escapes me right now. DOH!

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:05 pm**

Angiekay wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:Do these people have to get permission to use this stuff? If not, then why have so many artists gotten sued for using music that "sounds" like someone else's? (for example, George Harrison's My Sweet Lord being accused of sounding like He's So Fine)

That's WHY he got sued. Plagiarism. Not that it was the song, but that it blatantly stole from it.

So it's okay to use someone else's song to create a new version of the song as long as you don't use anything similar to a portion of the song for a new song?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:44 pm**

ohsherrie wrote:So it's okay to use someone else's song to create a new version of the song as long as you don't use anything similar to a portion of the song for a new song?

Yes and no. If it's a sample or uses any part of the song, permission has to be asked. You can make your OWN song, but if it is too much like a song in question, you can be sued for plagiarism.

Clear as mud?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:03 pm**

Sampling has bothered me for a loooooooooooong time. All it does is stifle creativity. Same thing with Hollywood. Let's remake King Kong, Dukes of Hazard, Starsky & Hutch, Bewitched, etc. Where are the NEW IDEAS?

Posted: **Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:51 pm**

NealIsGod wrote:Sampling has bothered me for a loooooooooooong time. All it does is stifle creativity. Same thing with Hollywood. Let's remake King Kong, Dukes of Hazard, Starsky & Hutch, Bewitched, etc. Where are the NEW IDEAS?

Not to mention those were all HORRIBLE remakes!! I'll watch Bewitched till my eyes bug out, but that movie was bad!

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:23 am**

The remake well has run 'bout dry I hope. Vince Vaughn as Norman Bates. Tony Perkins did a headspin in his coffin.

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:26 am**

NealIsGod wrote:Sampling has bothered me for a loooooooooooong time. All it does is stifle creativity. Same thing with Hollywood. Let's remake King Kong, Dukes of Hazard, Starsky & Hutch, Bewitched, etc. Where are the NEW IDEAS?

Hollywood has always been a cespool of remakes. Hell, even the Maltese Falcon was a remake. This isn't a new thing. Currently I wish they would stop remaking the old zombie films I was weened on (Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead etc).
I really loved those films. :cry:

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:33 am**

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Sampling has bothered me for a loooooooooooong time. All it does is stifle creativity. Same thing with Hollywood. Let's remake King Kong, Dukes of Hazard, Starsky & Hutch, Bewitched, etc. Where are the NEW IDEAS?

Hollywood has always been a cespool of remakes. Hell, even the Maltese Falcon was a remake. This isn't a new thing. Currently I wish they would stop remaking the old zombie films I was weened on (Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead etc).
I really loved those films.

Me too, TNC. Big horror fan here.

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:48 am**

Well, the TCM remake was scary but lacked the documentary feel of Hooper's original. I'd be all over the horror/film general if you guys wanna do it in one of Drew's more appropriate forums..

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:13 am**

Angiekay wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:So it's okay to use someone else's song to create a new version of the song as long as you don't use anything similar to a portion of the song for a new song?

Yes and no. If it's a sample or uses any part of the song, permission has to be asked. You can make your OWN song, but if it is too much like a song in question, you can be sued for plagiarism.

Clear as mud?

But there is a way to get around it. You can service promo only to DJs, as long as it's not for sale. Lots of remixer do this to get the song out or their name out as a remixer, if the song does well as a promo, the artist often ends up giving permission. More money for everyone.

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:19 am**

Red13JoePa wrote:The remake well has run 'bout dry I hope. Vince Vaughn as Norman Bates. Tony Perkins did a headspin in his coffin.

Sadly it will never run dry. Case in point: "The Eye". A surprise cult hit that has already spawned a sequel. "The Eye" is only about 3 years old and it is now being remade by a major company with TOM CRUISE and Renee Zellweger!!

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:44 am**

Guess if the remake becomes a huge hit it would be profitable to sue as to collect appropriate royalties.
But if its a nickel and dime flash in the pan thing one would think twice about hiring an attorneys time to try to take it to court unless the remake was really detrimental to the publishers. Most often even bad publicty is good publicity.

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:05 am**

Shadowsong wrote:Guess if the remake becomes a huge hit it would be profitable to sue as to collect appropriate royalties.
But if its a nickel and dime flash in the pan thing one would think twice about hiring an attorneys time to try to take it to court unless the remake was really detrimental to the publishers. Most often even bad publicty is good publicity.

The artist can only sue if the song is for sale. It can become a hit without being sold; thru radio and club play and promotional downloading.
Of course, these bootleg remixes do end up being sold on the DL.

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:13 am**

jrnyjunky wrote:The artist can only sue if the song is for sale. It can become a hit without being sold; thru radio and club play and promotional downloading.
Of course, these bootleg remixes do end up being sold on the DL.

Well lo & behold.....look what I found: my worst nightmare come true :shock:

Read it and.....uh.....be sick:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... ce&s=music

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:19 am**

jrnyman28 wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:The remake well has run 'bout dry I hope. Vince Vaughn as Norman Bates. Tony Perkins did a headspin in his coffin.

Sadly it will never run dry. Case in point: "The Eye". A surprise cult hit that has already spawned a sequel. "The Eye" is only about 3 years old and it is now being remade by a major company with TOM CRUISE and Renee Zellweger!!

Isn't that a remake of a Japanese horror flick?
The Ring heralded that particular on-going trend.
I'm all for it.
I saw the Japanese version of the Grudge and the subsequent U.S. remake. The remake was vastly superior.

Posted: **Thu Dec 01, 2005 9:32 am**

sngrchk04 wrote:
jrnyjunky wrote:The artist can only sue if the song is for sale. It can become a hit without being sold; thru radio and club play and promotional downloading.
Of course, these bootleg remixes do end up being sold on the DL.

Well lo & behold.....look what I found: my worst nightmare come true

Read it and.....uh.....be sick:

Just listened to it.

Dreadful.

Looks like Mr. Cain gave in on this one.
:cry:

MR

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