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I just read where somebody said that current Journey is just as good as the Houston concert was. Come on....................you either gotta be retarded, in total denial of reality or both to think that. Why does it hurt some of you so much to realize that Houston 81 was Journey at its total peak?

And with all due respect, Journey has a singer that can't even cover all the hit songs. So my goodness, just use your critical thinking skills before saying something retarded. I still can't believe that somebody has actually fooled themselves into believing that the current line up is as good as they were in 81. Geesh...........

Now that i'm off my soap box, was the Houston concert at the start, middle or end of the Escape tour?

Free wrote:I just read where somebody said that current Journey is just as good as the Houston concert was. Come on....................you either gotta be retarded, in total denial of reality or both to think that. Why does it hurt some of you so much to realize that Houston 81 was Journey at its total peak?

And with all due respect, Journey has a singer that can't even cover all the hit songs. So my goodness, just use your critical thinking skills before saying something retarded. I still can't believe that somebody has actually fooled themselves into believing that the current line up is as good as they were in 81. Geesh...........

Now that i'm off my soap box, was the Houston concert at the start, middle or end of the Escape tour?

The end, November 1981. And I don't know of anyone here who thinks Journey 2005 could touch Journey 1981. Of course, we all have our own opinions. I love the new lineup, and am very happy the band is still playing live and recording. But that 1981 concert is the ultimate Journey live recording. I have always maintained that.

And the Journey 2001 live DVD is awesome, too. As is Generations. How many bands from that era are still putting out quality live and studio music? Not many.

i thought it was a good dvd, yes, i did break down and buy it. However,
i didn't know half the songs only the ones which were well known such
as Open Arms, Stay Awhile, Mother Father, Party's Over and one or two other ones. From what I heard I thought he had a tremendous voice and I don't know how Steve A. could compete with it. Ever. Not in a million years. And I don't think SP could compete with it either. He can't. No way.

I guess you aren't retarded then. It's also a good sign that you haven't heard anyone who thinks current Journey is as good as 81. Was beginning to think we got some retards on here.

Marabelle wrote:i thought it was a good dvd, yes, i did break down and buy it. However,
i didn't know half the songs only the ones which were well known such
as Open Arms, Stay Awhile, Mother Father, Party's Over and one or two other ones. From what I heard I thought he had a tremendous voice and I don't know how Steve A. could compete with it. Ever. Not in a million years. And I don't think SP could compete with it either. He can't. No way.

I agree, but believe it or not, some people don't like Perry. Many of my friends and family don't know why I like Journey. Of course, millions of people disagree, but Perry is not universally loved and adored like Perryheads think he is.

your opinons are welcome; but being rude isn't acceptable. well at least i don't think so. personally i think rude people are extremely boorish and obnoxious.

Tis the season to be Jolly. Not politically correct

2001 was far less sloppy than the ESC4P3 one just out...

You are joking. Right?

No.
I don't joke about things like this. It's less sloppy. Given the choice of the 2 dvds, and of course it's close, I'll take the performance on '01.

Red13JoePa wrote:No.
I don't joke about things like this. It's less sloppy. Given the choice of the 2 dvds, and of course it's close, I'll take the performance on '01.

Wow. I love the new lineup, but not THAT much. You know the VHS of the Houston show has been my prized possession. To have the DVD is incredible to me. Nothing against the 2001 DVD, it is fantastic. But the Houston show is mind blowing.

Red, before I make a judgement about what you said, please tell me why you'd take the 01 dvd over 81.

I'll get to ya. gimme a while.

Free wrote:Red, before I make a judgement about what you said, please tell me why you'd take the 01 dvd over 81.

Only God can judge, Free...

You are right. Only God can judge one's soul. God commands us to judge behavior. And the latter is what i'm talking about.

Red13JoePa wrote:I'll get to ya. gimme a while.

Think, Red, think!!!

Red13JoePa wrote:I'll get to ya. gimme a while.

..........................................

LMAO! Take a few days, Joe!

Free wrote:I just read where somebody said that current Journey is just as good as the Houston concert was.

Who said that? Show me a quote.

Free wrote:Come on....................you either gotta be retarded, in total denial of reality or both to think that. Why does it hurt some of you so much to realize that Houston 81 was Journey at its total peak?

Don't agree with this at all. The band's playing is so much tighter these days. Neal's playing is eons above what is presented on Houston.

Free wrote:And with all due respect, Journey has a singer that can't even cover all the hit songs.

So? And if Perry was still in the band, they'd be a band that has a singer who can't cover ANY of the hits.

Free wrote:So my goodness, just use your critical thinking skills before saying something retarded. I still can't believe that somebody has actually fooled themselves into believing that the current line up is as good as they were in 81. Geesh...........

I dunno.
I think the band sounds better these days. Escape-era Perry might have more range then current day Augeri, but Perry's voice was also alot more grating. It's got this shrill, oil squeak type quality to it. It gets on my nerves. After long periods, I need to shut him the hell off. I don't have that problem with Augeri. High pitched, but not gratingly so.
Still, both great singers in my book.

I echo what TNC said. The fact is that Journey 2005 is an incredibly tight live act. You may not think Steve can compare with Perry of 1981 (and in many ways he can't) but overall that band is phenominal. Years of touring have led to an incredible show and the setlist we had this year was UNBELIEVABLE. I am grateful to see Journey with Perry live on DVD. But I am WAY more excited about the possibilities of a 2005 DVD.

Free wrote: Was beginning to think we got some retards on here.

Watch the manners please. Not appreciated.

jrnyman28 wrote:I echo what TNC said. The fact is that Journey 2005 is an incredibly tight live act. You may not think Steve can compare with Perry of 1981 (and in many ways he can't) but overall that band is phenominal. Years of touring have led to an incredible show and the setlist we had this year was UNBELIEVABLE. I am grateful to see Journey with Perry live on DVD. But I am WAY more excited about the possibilities of a 2005 DVD.

I agree with everything you said and am really looking forward to the 2005 DVD. Having seen them a few times this year, I have to say that the 2001 DVD was a bit lackluster.

What I would really like to see is a Journey DVD with Gregg Rolie.

jrnyjunky wrote: Having seen them a few times this year, I have to say that the 2001 DVD was a bit lackluster.

In what respects? Not saying ur wrong, just wanna hear what you disproved of. I think Augeri's stage presence is lacking in the DVD. The timid guy on stage is not the guy I saw this year or last year or the year before...
The '05 DVD should rectify that.

La Raza Del Sol is the highlight for me. Sounds better on the DVD than the record.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

jrnyjunky wrote: Having seen them a few times this year, I have to say that the 2001 DVD was a bit lackluster.

In what respects? Not saying ur wrong, just wanna hear what you disproved of. I think Augeri's stage presence is lacking in the DVD. The timid guy on stage is not the guy I saw this year or last year or the year before...
The '05 DVD should rectify that.

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. After seeing them this year, I know they can put on a better show than the 2001 DVD. And as I said I am looking forward to the 2005 DVD. While the 2001 DVD is tight, I prefer the energy of the 81 DVD. Hoping that the 2005 DVD will be a combination of both.

I always skip to La Raza Del Sol and let it play from there.

Andrew wrote:

Free wrote: Was beginning to think we got some retards on here.

Watch the manners please. Not appreciated.

I got this Andrew.

Free, you are the retarded one. You need to check yourself. Let me ask you something. Did you see the band this year live? Honestly, tell me. This years tour BLOWS away 81. There, I said it. I guess I am retarded. 81 was mindblowing, 2001 was strong, tight, but 2005 beats em both. Not only they play over twice as lobg as they did in 81, they played much more diverse material.


You are an egotistical fuck, I'll give you that. However, this is only part one of my rebuttle to you.

Tell me first if you saw them this year. Then I will respond.

Hurry up and respond...my fingers are just twitching.......

I'm back with data. HOTSIE, I'm gonna singe your thong off with it. i had 1 foot out the door of work at the time I typed that. You know I'm smart.
The new dvd is LOADED and I mean stuffed with energy. It's not as professinally tight a Journey as is represented on 2001, a more veteran, less stage animated group. Though looser, there IS something to be said about that as to a great extent, from that is born that palpable energy of a band at it's commercial zenith. But it's definatlely sloppier than the 01 ARRIVAL dvd (as alluded to by Dave, just a tighter, better sounding outfit in 01). The material is hindered by the early date of the show. Yes, it's heavier than HELL on Escape (what 8 or 9 out of 10 songs on the record?) which is a good thing, but No Frontiers, ROR (Nobody fucking laugh), no Arrival, as pointed out earlier by Dean. NO LA RAZA DEL SOL. The best song on the 2001 dvd and in excess sonically of the record version, as pointed out by the Cause. The Cain/Schon/Castronovo Sanata Check THIS out extended jam Seal that. The Escape dvd rocks harder and heavier. Perry near the top if not the tp of His game. You have Neal Schon in great form on both. Looser in one, tighter in the next, I can't choose between those Neals and thank God I won't have to. But in my opinion, overall the Journey 2001 dvd edges it on performance, and song selection. I may be biased because the current real life Journey is my favorite incarnation of the band and Generations in my top 2 if not my favorite album.

First off, Escape was not Journey's apex..

Frontiers was.

I wouldn't mind seeing a performance of Arrival and Generations material from the band, but I just don't want to see anyone but Perry doing the Classic material. C'mon guys, Augeri's a good singer, but he can't beat Perry at his peak on that material. I would even rather see Perry now do that material than anyone else even it it didn't sound the same. Augeri doesn't sound the same. If Perry were to do the material today(with a conditioned voice) it would just be an arguement about which voice you prefer, not which voice is closer to '81. Neither of them can duplicate The Voice of '81. I would just prefer to hear Perry's soulful depths over Augeri on Classic Journey material.

HOTS, NO one here is saying Houston 81 is not awesome...It is...Only Cubby would have a problem, you know, that dude is old school and proud..so be it.


However, you all can argue til my dogs shit turns white, the Dallas 05 will trump both..but then again, Espee will probably get out of the recliner, and throw together a ROR DVD/CD to offset the momentum by the band..you know, the one that is alive?

It just fucking kills me you Yentas won't listen to Journey..Your loss..