Part 2 of DVD

[Rockindeano]

Is it possible to perhaps pay stores like Blockbuster or Fryes, to play a certain new release of a dvd?

I just saw 40 year old virgin, and seeing Michael McDonald at all times gave me the idea.

So Journey pays BB a nominal fee to run the Dallas DVD every other hour or so. Assuming it's good, I KNOW sales would spike.

I have seen U2 and Bruce get played and I have bought Bruces dvd as a result. Can you imagine, "wow, this is the new singer? Pretty good. Let's get this honey."

I can.

Irving, wake up and make a call you desert tortoise.

[Jeremey]

Is it possible to perhaps pay stores like Blockbuster or Fryes, to play a certain new release of a dvd?

I just saw 40 year old virgin, and seeing Michael McSitnold at all times gave me the idea.

So Journey pays BB a nominal fee to run the Dallas DVD every other hour or so. Assuming it's good, I KNO W sales would spike.

I have seen U2 and Bruce get played and I have bought Bruces dvd as a result. Can youimagine, "wow, this is the new singer? Pretty good. Let's get this honey."

I can.

Irving, wake up and make a call you desert tortoise.

There was a Styx concert playing at Best Buy NONSTOP about 2 years ago, I don't remember what the release was. I am positive the record companies pay lots of bucks to promote shows like that on their TVs. I can only imagine what McDonald's label paid to get him in the 40 Year Old Virgin. PLUS to have them talk about it in the script! Now that's marketing for you. It still brings me to ask - Who will be releasing the Dallas DVD? They were still with Sony during the Vegas DVD and they gave a LOT to Perry to get that released. I wonder what the politics behind the Dallas DVD are.

[Rockindeano]

There was a Styx concert playing at Best Buy NONSTOP about 2 years ago, I don't remember what the release was.

I do, it was Arch Allies with REO. I just watched REO, and left when TWIGS came on..REO blew them away I thought

I am positive the record companies pay lots of bucks to promote shows like that on their TVs.

I wonder if this falls under the paradigm of "payolla?" like the record spinners..Angie, chime in, baby.

I can only imagine what McDonald's label paid to get him in the 40 Year Old Virgin. PLUS to have them talk about it in the script! Now that's marketing for you.

Yeah but it wasn't flattering ! They made fun of him the whole show.

It still brings me to ask - Who will be releasing the Dallas DVD? They were still with Sony during the Vegas DVD and they gave a LOT to Perry to get that released. I wonder what the politics behind the Dallas DVD are.

Good question. Now, does Perry get paid for Dallas? Just curious. Maybe Elson or Frazier could do this.

I think they should get B Adams and Mutt to do it. That DVD of Adams as a 3 piece band is still the best I have ever seen.

[jrnyman28]

Best Buy was playing "Generations" a lot.

[Jeremey]

I wish I knew how to do those multiple quote things...Anyway, to answer a few points you mentioned Deano, I don't think that kind of thing is payola, it's bona fide marketing and promotions. Consider it product placement, like Target would pay to be featured throughout the Survivor show.

As far as McDonald being ragged on, man, they played the shit out of that concert, and any publicity is good publicity.

When they use Perry-penned songs in the DVD (like on the Vegas DVD) they have to first get his permission to use them, then they have to agree on a price. With both the Houston DVD coming out and the Dallas DVD next year, I'd bet that Perry agreed to let them use his material on the Dallas DVD in exchange for a bigger slice of the publishing $$ for the Houston DVD, plus he probably got points or a percentage for his producer credit.....Too much lawyering for anyone's good.

[fred_journeyman]

All you need to do is to put the open and close quotes around a section that you want to quote, then do the same thing around another section that you want to quote. It looks like this (except with brackets instead of parentheses...

(quote)blah, blah, blah(/quote)

So anyway, now I'm typing after the quote and this is not quoted.

(quote)this is quoted from the other person(/quote)

Hope I've made sense, Jeremey.

I wish I knew how to do those multiple quote things...Anyway, to answer a few points you mentioned Deano, I don't think that kind of thing is payola, it's bona fide marketing and promotions. Consider it product placement, like Target would pay to be featured throughout the Survivor show.

As far as McDonald being ragged on, man, they played the shit out of that concert, and any publicity is good publicity.

When they use Perry-penned songs in the DVD (like on the Vegas DVD) they have to first get his permission to use them, then they have to agree on a price. With both the Houston DVD coming out and the Dallas DVD next year, I'd bet that Perry agreed to let them use his material on the Dallas DVD in exchange for a bigger slice of the publishing $$ for the Houston DVD, plus he probably got points or a percentage for his producer credit.....Too much lawyering for anyone's good.

[Abitaman]

I do, it was Arch Allies with REO. I just watched REO, and left when TWIGS came on..REO blew them away I thoug.

ARE YOU STILL ON PAIN PILLS?!? As much as I like REO (in my top 5), I was there for that tour, and Styx ruled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But on the dvd I can see where maybe you got that, REO put on a great show and Styx came off good-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

Jeremy, before you actually submit the post, hit "preview..A lot of the time, if it is messed up, you generally have [quote][quote]. Never want 2 quotes back to back. simply delete one of them


TNC and i practiced over at the Thin Lizzy and Kiss boards where no one goes anyway..practice there, then erase your practice.

O by the way, read your PM.. Chance of your band coming west young man! W ay west, golden west if you catch my drift.

[Jeremey]

Jeremy, before you actually submit the post, hit "preview..A lot of the time, if it is messed up, you generally have

. Never want 2 quotes back to back. simply delete one of them


TNC and i practiced over at the Thin Lizzy and Kiss boards where no one goes anyway..practice there, then erase your practice.

O by the way, read your PM.. Chance of your band coming west young man! W ay west, golden west if you catch my drift.

Thanks, Deano. Will practice somewhere this weekend. Got your PM, sent you one back - Thanks!

[Rockindeano]

I do, it was Arch Allies with REO. I just watched REO, and left when TWIGS came on..REO blew them away I thoug.

ARE YOU STILL ON PAIN PILLS?!? As much as I like REO (in my top 5), I was there for that tour, and Styx ruled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But on the dvd I can see where maybe you got that, REO put on a great show and Styx came off good-ERIC

Eric, damn right I'm still on pain pills. And damn right REO blew Styx off the stage too. Hell, REO blew Twigs away a good many times on The Main Event as well. In fact, a lot of reviews had REO winning the night over Twigs and Journey...Journey went through the motions.."aw, 1030P, time to go on..people are exhausted, big red clock ticking down." Yeah, a good idea, but Styx and REO should have had reduced time sets.

[Red13JoePa]

Hard to say....the 2001 dvd got a lot of airtime at circuit city.... can't wait either way.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I can only imagine what McDonald's label paid to get him in the 40 Year Old Virgin. PLUS to have them talk about it in the script! Now that's marketing for you.

I don't know if they paid to get him in there. Maybe the film's screenwriters just saw a comedic opportunity in utilizing Michael McDonald. Me and my friends have been goofing on him ever since we saw him in those embarassing MCI-long distance ads. We bought his awful covers cd and blast it as we pass kids in the mall parking lot.
I don't know why, but it's funny.

[Monker]

When they use Perry-penned songs in the DVD (like on the Vegas DVD) they have to first get his permission to use them, then they have to agree on a price. With both the Houston DVD coming out and the Dallas DVD next year, I'd bet that Perry agreed to let them use his material on the Dallas DVD in exchange for a bigger slice of the publishing $$ for the Houston DVD, plus he probably got points or a percentage for his producer credit.....Too much lawyering for anyone's good.

I don't think this is true. If it is, explain how Styx released the previously mentioned Styx DVD. Do you think he would let them if he had a choice?

Unless there is something in the contracts from when Journey split with Perry, all they have to do is pay the songwriting fee and that's it. The problems with video comes with OLD video. Perry had to get ALL members permission to do the Houston DVD, even Steve Smith.

The thing with Journey is that Perry supposedly still has a vested interest in the band...So, in theory, he could stop ANY release the band wants to make. So, they do the deals that Herbie talked about in his interview...and there was probably some deal for this new one too..."Ok, I'll let them release a new DVD, if I can control all aspects of the '81 DVD..."

[Jeremey]

I don't think this is true. If it is, explain how Styx released the previously mentioned Styx DVD. Do you think he would let them if he had a choice?

I am not sure. But all songwriters must give permission for a synch license with their songs, which is issued when a song is married to video, whether it's playing in the background of a news broadcast, or even if a tribute band wants to put little 30 second video clips of them performing songs on video on their website... I don't know much about Styx or DDY or anything, but he HAD to have given permission for them to include his songs in the DVD - Money speaks volumes, I guess.

Unless there is something in the contracts from when Journey split with Perry, all they have to do is pay the songwriting fee and that's it. The problems with video comes with OLD video. Perry had to get ALL members permission to do the Houston DVD, even Steve Smith.

Actually, see above re how synch (video) licensing goes...Keep in mind it ONLY has to do with the song itself. The actual footage of the Houston concert was owned by either Sony or (less likely) MTV. I'm almost positive Sony owned the master video, so they wouldn't have to have gotten ANY permission to release the video itself (the "VIDEO MASTER"). They also owned the audio recording as well. They only thing they didn't own was the publishing rights to the songs. There may be some finer points I am missing, but that's pretty much the way the law works.

The thing with Journey is that Perry supposedly still has a vested interest in the band...So, in theory, he could stop ANY release the band wants to make. So, they do the deals that Herbie talked about in his interview...and there was probably some deal for this new one too..."Ok, I'll let them release a new DVD, if I can control all aspects of the '81 DVD..."

This is the gray area no one really knows much about at all. I thought Perry stated somewhere that he no longer had any interest in the band, like their partnership agreement was only for 5 years or something. In my original scenario, which precludes any contractual agreements between Perry and the band, my line of thinking was that Perry had to give permission for his songs to be on the Vegas DVD. At that point, money probably meant very little to Perry, so he's got the band by the balls...Here's what Herbie had to say about it:

And, so Irving Azoff, god bless him, went to Perry, and talked Perry into letting them re-record and shoot the DVD that my company (Nocturne, which Herbie co-owns with Neal Schon) did in Vegas, as it turns out. The minute that was put in the books, I said 'oh my god, Irving made a deal!' I called Irving, and he says 'yup, yup, I made a deal. And, not only is he allowing that, but we're going to support it - the album and tour - with a VH-1 Behind the Music.' I said, 'He's going to cooperate and participate?' and he said 'yeah.' And I said 'Wow. Now don't ruin my night by telling me what you had to give - it will all come out in the wash. We're all gonna see what you had to give to get him to do that.' And it was that ultimate editorial control. And so, when all of these other guys have signed this agreement, and all you can get out of them is this homogenized, pasteurized pulp - nothing with substance, all candy-coated - that is the worst thing you can get them to say. The most damning and incriminating thing is 'By agreement I am not allowed to speak to those issues, or speak about those matters.

So apparently Perry gave permission to use the songs in exchange for complete editorial control over the VH1 Behind The Music episode. Whatever he may have gotten for the Dallas DVD, there's no telling, but I'm willing to be it had something to do with his share of the Houston DVD. Business is business, that's what lawyers are for, I guess.

Hey, thanks Fred and Deano for helping out with the quote thing!

[jrnyman28]

Hey, thanks Fred and Deano for helping out with the quote thing!

Looking good Jeremey!

[NoMoreTails]

Whatever he may have gotten for the Dallas DVD, there's no telling, but I'm willing to be it had something to do with his share of the Houston DVD.

I think it's a great possiblity that this was a straight trade off. Perry got the old show which he wanted to perpetuate the old Journey is the only Journey myth, and Journey gets to release the new show. No additional considerations for Perry except whatever he would get as producer. I really don't see Journey having to give up anything on this deal. This time it was Perry wanting permission to release something, imo. Perry and Kolodner had hatched this idea some time ago. I think Journey said fine, you have our permission if we can put out a new show.

[Jeremey]

I think it's a great possiblity that this was a straight trade off. Perry got the old show which he wanted to perpetuate the old Journey is the only Journey myth, and Journey gets to release the new show. No additional considerations for Perry except whatever he would get as producer. I really don't see Journey having to give up anything on this deal. This time it was Perry wanting permission to release something, imo. Perry and Kolodner had hatched this idea some time ago. I think Journey said fine, you have our permission if we can put out a new show.

Don't forget that the Houston project started and stopped a little over a year ago, and Kalodner said he didn't know when it was going to get off the ground. There was mention that they were holding out for a sweeter deal from Sony, but regardless my guess was that it wasn't exactly cut and dried.

[NoMoreTails]

Don't forget that the Houston project started and stopped a little over a year ago, and Kalodner said he didn't know when it was going to get off the ground. There was mention that they were holding out for a sweeter deal from Sony, but regardless my guess was that it wasn't exactly cut and dried.

Yes, I believe Neal or Jon once made a comment about timing not being right or maybe it was them who mentioned the sweeter deal. My thoughts were that perhaps last years hold up was because Journey and Perry had reaced an agreeement.

[lshphrd]

Is it possible to perhaps pay stores like Blockbuster or Fryes, to play a certain new release of a dvd?

I just saw 40 year old virgin, and seeing Michael McDonald at all times gave me the idea.

So Journey pays BB a nominal fee to run the Dallas DVD every other hour or so. Assuming it's good, I KNOW sales would spike.

I have seen U2 and Bruce get played and I have bought Bruces dvd as a result. Can you imagine, "wow, this is the new singer? Pretty good. Let's get this honey."

I can.

Irving, wake up and make a call you desert tortoise.

Thats a really cool idea. I know people would see it and decide to buy it.