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by **Rockindeano** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:42 pm

Hey people..those of you with the new Generation live boots..

While all of you are enjoying Christmas, I am hard at work making the boots sound better..I don't have time for Christmas....The Band is more important..

Note- Neal, Jon, and the boys.. We aren't selling anything..not even crossed our minds.

I have both a comment, and some questions.

Let me start with questions.

I ripped the cd's to my computer, and once on there, I have been mixing the sound with the built in Windows equalizer.. It definitely makes an improvement. However, I got a plug in for 14 bucks and I can literally make this sound like recording studio quality. I can bring up vocals, sit down bass, warm up Deen, etc...it's up to me..I can even turn down crowd on these crowd boots, but so far haven't..the crowd gives a realistic feeling of being there amongst the 9500 people on the warm october Hollywood night. (speaking of which, it is so warm here in So.Cal it is uncomfortable...82 degrees and sticky)

Anyway, a question-

Firstly, If I get a good mix which I am happy with, and burn the shows to a disc, will the EQ quality come off on the downloaded disc? If I mix the sound, and record it, I hope the cd I burn will be the new and improved version..I am sure I can burn a few and try, but I am not a millionaire, and don't want to keep experimenting. By the way, most of you, I am done with your requests. I have everyone set aside, and am waiting for a Gens DVD to add, but don't think it will be soon enough to justify holding your orders...You all have til Tuesday to add on anything you like. Again the list is in the "Trading Post" further down the page. Feel free to ask for anything you want..don't be shy..I am not sure if i will be doing this in the future. A lot of times for example, I can fit 2 studio CD's onto 1 burned cd, so make it count is what I am saying. IF I get the Generations DVD from Paso Robles, of course I will send it out to all, but I better not find it on Ebay or I will report you myself..I don't think Journey really cares if we share, let's just not make any bank off them, agreed? That is bullshit.

Secondly, Having heard these boots about 238 times in 3 days(thanks again to Abs and 13), I can definitely hear some very "interesting" goings on..TNC knows what I referring to... There are some songs which sound good with Augeri singing, and then Every Generation comes on, and Jon is barely audible..I wonder just how much control Elson (or whomever it is), has during the show? There has to be a minimal audio volume right? Well, during Higher Place from Toronto, Augeri cannot even be heard the opening two lines..I find it hard to believe the man wasn't singing into the mic...Are the sound guys that arbitrary? Meaning, if "X" singer is not feeling well, or sounding good, does sound technician turn him down? Or does perhaps singer request to be turned down?

These are questions I hope can be answered..Perhaps Nora? I know TNC will offer up a line or two.

28, you seem to know a little about burning. Monker, feel free to jump in dude. Jeremy, I would really like it if you threw me an PM..I need to talk about VOX and mixing.

I have spent about 5 hours straight on this Greek CD. I get one song sounding so good, but the next song doesn't translate to perfection. For example, Escape I get perfect, then the band does a really cool segway into Faithfully(that would seem unlikely to go from a thunder song into a smooth ballad well, smoothly. Augeri does a real good harmonizing hum sound)..anyway, I would like to get the mix right, jot it down or have the machine memorize it, and then when the next song comes on, go to memory and select that song so it all flows well...It's hard to do! I want the crowd to be front and centre for Faithfully.. That is my favourite part at a Journey show..the crowd sing Oh oh oh oh OVER the band...I can do it, but it is a drastic change from Escape.

I am working tomorrow, so I most likely won't be here to respond. I am letting my son operate the train tomorrow for a good long while..Shhh. It's all over flatland, but we go through a bunch of grade crossings..Dude loves to blow the horn........should be interesting to say the least!

He is decent at it, but he has never operated one this fast or this heavy...One more note, I made a cd for the passengers to listen to over the PA..we NEVER do this, but since the train is headed to the Bay Area, I had to have Lights on there...and of course Neals O come all ye faithful...

I do hope everyone gets a full belly tomorrow and boozes it up for me...Someone has got to take people to visit their relatives! The football games are shit tomorrow, but I need a Minnesota loss...as for green Bay, I hope they win so they can't get Reggie Bush...Hahaha...Chicago has nothing to play for..Seattle wrapped up the best record..actually the best record in the entire league. For the record, I think Seattle loses in playoffs.

I am working on the NFL playoff betting pool. If interested, PM me and say "I am in." It's an honour system.. But we can trust each other. Don't be a pussy, 13..you are in.

by **Clasicrockldy** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:23 pm

Deano,

I don't know anything about the technical things you are talking about. But I don't doubt that you will get the information you need.

I do appreciate all the work you are doing to bring us the good music. Thanks again for the Generations and Arrival cd's. I like them alot.

It is really awesome that you son is going to work with you tomorrow. I won't booze it up, but I will be having some great food here, and relax the rest of the day. I will keep you and your son in my thoughts tomorrow. See you when you get back !

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:25 pm

Clasicrockldy wrote:Deano,

I don't know anything about the technical things you are talking about. But I don't doubt that you will get the information you need.

I do appreciate all the work you are doing to bring us the good music. Thanks again for the Generations and Arrival cd's. I like them alot.

It is really awesome that you son is going to work with you tomorrow. I won't booze it up, but I will be having some great food here, and relax the rest of the day. I will keep you and your son in my thoughts tomorrow. See you when you get back !

Why dont you hop over to Oakland and visit me? Holiday Inn, E meryville..bring cake and red wine. be there about 1000P.

by **Red13JoePa** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:38 am

I can't do any of the shit Dean's to fix these shows. But the Greek kicks so much ass as it is I'm forever in ArrivalRules' debtor's jail. Toronto, setlist shortcomings be damned sounds just as good, maybe even a better rendition of FaithIn The Heartland than the Greek.

Deano, what's the layout of that Greek venue again, didn't you say that had something with it sounding like it was an indoor show?

No NFL pools for me, every gambling thing I touch turns to shit and bowl season's in full sway and therefore garnering all my attention. I got the broadcasts turned down and Generations blazing and eggnog disapearing. :wink:

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:17 am

I told you Dallas would win on the road, 13.

I am pulling for the Seahawks, but I still am not a believer..yet.

New England is again the team to beat...

by **Abitaman** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 1:16 pm

Deano, I have several programs (some professional) I use to fix concerts, all depending on what needs to be done. The ones I have sent you have not been fixed. Actually I haven't fixed a show in over a year or so. There are several ways to do this to.

One way is were you are having problems with each song form the same concert sounding different, you have to manually split each track and manually adjust each one. Sometime you have to split a track (song two or more time, without putting in a track marker, and adjust at each track.)
I have found it best to save the concert as one track and adjust, then save (still has one track). Then go in and split in to tracks (songs), then save. And make adjustment from there saving each song as need be.

You can eq to bring vocals up front, or take out some of the crowd noise. Have one pro. program, were I can go in and take out a certain noise with in a certain range, and yes it is a pain to use. You can even go in and take a vocal out and add somewhere else. (I was working on, before the storm, a Journey with Perry/Augeri, Chalfant trio. Had all sing live the same Journey song. But because of the storm I lost the cd it was save d on, and never have been back to it.)

You can also take out hums and other annoying sounds. Change pitch, re verb, time of song , etc......
On audience recording you can put into Stereo. I know of two ways to do this. Use the mono to stereo settings, in which some case sound poor.
Or you can go in set up a right channel and left channel (both mono) and have the channels a few milliseconds off, creating a stereo effect. And to add to it you can run the mono to stereo effect thru it with left and right staggered mili seconds in front and behind.

Store bought programs I use
Auto Cleaning Lab (cheapest of all) can do all of the above, but not stagger for stereo sound, but does have mono to stereo efrects. Good arrange of other effects, easy to use.
Cakewalk (cheap) has good arnea effects. Not much else other than able to save to mp3 or wma quiclky.
Roxio Media Creator. (80.00) Does it all. My favorite of store bought.

Pro that I have, thanks to a friend. Told Prices are 400.00 plus Wavelab, SoundForge, plus one other that skips my mind (not on front screen). All are good, had less than 9 months, haven't used much, but do a good job, hard to do on a home computer.

Hope that helps-ERIC

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:02 pm

Eric, can you split a track with W indows Media? Or Real Player?

Shit! This is frustrating.

by **Abitaman** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:19 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Eric, can you split a track with W indows Media? Or Real Player?

S**t! This is frustrating.

No you can't! I even went back to try before answering this. Realplayer has a upgraded model (I have the free one), you maybe able to do it with that one. But before you buy it, let me see if I can copy one of my programs. If I can I will mail it off to you, when I send you the pictures of Katrina. That will be around the first of the year. These programs all have good and bad points, But I'll send the easiest to use with the most good points in it.-ERIC

by **Greg** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:37 am

Deano,

You can split a concert up into tracks using Nero CD burning software. I don't use that feature very often, but I know it is built into the software - at least the 5.5 version.

Have you tried using Adobe's audio editing software? I can't remember exactly what it is called, but it is basically Cool Edit (adobe bought out the company that produced Cool Edit software.) It probably would do pretty much everything you need to have done...and you can download a full version trial for a month.

by **jrnyman28** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:11 am

You can also split tracks with Roxio. I use Roxio when I transfer vinyl to CD. I record the whole side of vinyl, then split and name the tracks.

by **amaron** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:39 am

Goldwave.

$48 for:

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# Effect chain editor
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# Several built-in accessibility features and keyboard shortcuts
# Excellent value

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:41 am

48 bucks eh?

I need to be able to break songs....

Here's the deal.

Father Eric was great in his advice.

On the live boots, every song sounds different. for instance, Be Good To Yourself might sound a little tinny, with lots of crowd noise, and then the band goes into Ask the Lonely, and it might be bass heavy, and vox might be down.

So, if I get the boot, I can play with each song and edit to my liking. NO W, here is the question. I don't have any special mixing E q's..just the WP and Real Player that is built in my machine.

If I get a mixer/eq, I can put in markers after each song. Now, two things:

1) Can I save that, so I don't have to remix it everytime I plan to burn it for MR pals? and

2) If I put a break in after each song, when the cd is burned, will there be a "break" between songs? I want it to be cintinual..

Thanks amaron and Father Eric.

Please respond.

by **amaron** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:12 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:2) If I put a break in after each song, when the cd is burned, will there be a "break" between songs? I want it to be cintinual..

Well, when you burn live music files you need to burn the CD WITHOUT the 2 second gap. This will make the tracks flow into each other.

Like so:

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:19 am

amaron wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:2) If I put a break in after each song, when the cd is burned, will there be a "break" between songs? I want it to be cintinual..

Well, when you burn live music files you need to burn the CD WITHOUT the 2 second gap. This will make the tracks flow into each other.

Amaron, what state you live in? I need to PM you. I need your expertise...I can make it worth your while bro..

by **Abitaman** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:51 am

Just got Nero with my DVD burner this Christmas. Been playing around with it for 3 days now. Good basic program. But lacks a lot of what Roxio has or Audio Cleaning Lab (ACB). Plus those two programs does musically everything Nero does. Roxio 7.5 that I have does all the other things Nero does plus more on music, dvd, photo, etc.....

RD, I'll burn you a copy of both these programs (if it will let me) and mail them off to you along with the Katrina pictures, and a couple of other things. They will not go out until the first thou.-ERIC

by **TRAGChick** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:37 am

rockndeano wrote:...Are the sound guys that arbitrary? Meaning, if "X" singer is not feeling well, or sounding good, does sound technician turn him down? Or does perhaps singer request to be turned down?

These are questions I hope can be answered..Perhaps Nora? I know TNC will offer up a line or two.

Well, by "not feeling well", I am guessing you mean "(s)he has a cold; the vocals are less powerful". If that's the case, then I'd say that I would ask for the vox to be turned UP - I would sing with what I had left - and leave it at that. Maybe even give the audience a "fair warning" about my voice LOL :wink:

...also - and this would be used by me as a LAST RESORT - maybe throw in a bit of "vox sweetening" - extra reverb or something - to "beef up" what I did have.

I really never ran into that "band situation" problem - it happened a LOT during the dead of Winter, doing live Theatre - there's just no way around it. I had to sing a solo at the top of my lungs, hitting high notes that absolutely KILLED me they hurt so much - sinus pressure and such......oh, yeah - NO microphones at "hand" - they were built into the proscenium of the stage! :shock:

I am so fascinated by production! I want to learn everything about it, after watching our producer Steve - the production via computer makes things a lot easier, IMO - I mean, that 's how it "looked" - but then again, Steve's been doing this for YEARS.

Hopefully I answered your question, Dean.

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:00 pm

I know Elson turns down Augeri when he sounds like shit...He has to. And I know he tinkers with Frigga and Valory....He has to on that as well.

What he should do is turn up Castro...

By the way, I am not as big a fan of deens voice as I once was...He has a good voice, but he really can't "sing" as good as Augeri...

If I take about 6,7 vicodin, it makes my voice awesome..I can sing with no cracking and I have this cool rasp that sounds like Deeno..I should get it on tape..

by **amaron** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:16 pm

Rock'ndeano wrote:If I take about 6,7 vicodin, it makes my voice awesome..I can sing with no cracking and I have this cool rasp that sounds like Deeno..I should get it on tape..

Is that a threat?

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:08 pm

Ams, who is the hot little filly in your pic dude.

I swear, take 7 vikes and sing..it's amazing..

Ams, are you in California? If so, I am coming over..I'll bring a 12ver.

by **perryfaithful** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:00 pm

Rock'ndeano wrote:
amaron wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:2) If I put a break in after each song, when the cd is burned, will there be a "break" between songs? I want it to be cintinual..

Well, when you burn live music files you need to burn the CD WITHOUT the 2 second gap. This will make the tracks flow into each other.

Amaron, what state you live in? I need to PM you. I need your expertise...I can make it worth your while bro..

How about Ams has a PM, clear and simple. So go for it and leave the rest of us out of it??

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:24 pm

Rock'ndeano wrote:By the way, I am not as big a fan of deens voice as I once was...He has a good voice, but he really can't "sing" as good as Augeri...

He used to be able to. In fact, he used to sound like a young Perry. Now that he is running on one vocal chord he is pretty good, but not as stunning as he once was. When Dave finally heard Deen for the first time this year and reported back that (to his chagrin) his socks remained firmly in-tact and not blown away, I was pretty pissed. I thought Dave had officially lost the pot and (to invoke an Andrew colloquialism) become a bona fide piss drinker. But then I heard Deen myself on this latest tour and I wasn't impressed either. Dave proved absolutely correct. In fact, Deen even ducked certain highs. It's sad, because in '04, the man was simply amazing.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:27 pm

perryfaithful wrote:How about Ams has a PM, clear and simple. So go for it and leave the rest of us out of it??

It's Deano's thread, he can do as he pleases.
Ok, Mussolini?

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:10 pm

perryfaithful wrote:
How about Ams has a PM, clear and simple. So go for it and leave the rest of us out of it??

Um, let's see. YOU, Perryfaithful, are telling ME, what I SHOULD say in my post?

It's just a matter of time until I blow all of you tweaked people outta here. There is NO sane conversation with any of you. You can't converse intelligently, you can't argue a point, you can't admit your faults. I can, to all three of the points just made.

Who am I? A loudmouth? yep. A regular poster? Yep? A passionate fan? Yep?

I am humble when I am wrong. I want to say thank you to all of you wacked out bitches. You know why I called you bitches? Because I know what you say about me, TNC, 13, and Journey. I know everything about you, and what you say behind our backs. That's fine. I also know what is said about our host too.

Keep it up.

The BIG difference between you three skanks and me is HONESTY. I say what I say ON THIS BOARD.

You are achieving a small victory in that I am not talking about the band, Journey. Yes, the REAL JOURNEY.

I have a plan for the new year. You will all be sorry.

HOTS, PF, LORI, OH SHERRIE......

NONE of you have ANY redeeming qualities. Don't ask me to validate my claim publicly, cus I will.

by **amaron** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:43 pm

perryfaithful wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:
amaron wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:2) If I put a break in after each song, when the cd is burned, will there be a "break" between songs? I want it to be cintinual..

Well, when you burn live music files you need to burn the CD WITHOUT the 2 second gap. This will make the tracks flow into each other.

Amaron, what state you live in? I need to PM you. I need your expertise...I can make it worth your while bro..

How about Ams has a PM, clear and simple. So go for it and leave the rest of us out of it??

Take your own advice, moron. What you spewed out could have been covered in a PM to Deano, but you just had to come start some shit.

Go back to the Perry board and keep preparing for "the return".

by **perryfaithful** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:21 am

amaron wrote:
Take your own advice, moron. What you spewed out could have been covered in a PM to Deano,.

Calling people morons makes your post so special, huh?

Have pm'd Dean, my dear. He does not respond. This is all about the show for him, I guess. He is center attraction, spewing garbage and meaningless insults TO GET ATTENTION.

Well, none from me anymore

by **amaron** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:01 am

perryfaithful wrote:
amaron wrote:
Take your own advice, moron. What you spewed out could have been covered in a PM to Deano,.

Calling people morons makes your post so special, huh?

Have pm'd Dean, my dear. He does not respond. This is all about the show for him, I guess. He is center attraction, spewing garbage and meaningless insults TO GET ATTENTION.

Well, none from me anymore

Do you blame him for not responding? When was the last time you've made a positive post in anything that concerns the current lineup of Journey? You haven't. Instead of just disliking the current lineup and being civil, you throw your little digs in where they aren't wanted or needed. So, for that, you are a short-sided, closed-minded moron.

As for you not giving Deano (or all of us) attention:

by **jrnyman28** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:07 am

perryfaithful wrote:Well, none from me anymore[/color]

Promise?

by **perryfaithful** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:38 am

amaron wrote: When was the last time you've made a positive post in anything that concerns the current lineup of Journey?

...and when was making positive posts about the CURRENT line up a requirement here? That sounds like a Back Talk requirement and GEE, that is what makes the melodicrock Journey board so refreshing! It ain't Back Talk!

by **jrnyman28** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:16 am

perryfaithful wrote:
amaron wrote: When was the last time you've made a positive post in anything that concerns the current lineup of Journey?

...and when was making positive posts about the CURRENT line up a requirement here? That sounds like a Back Talk requirement and GEE, that is what makes the melodicrock Journey board so refreshing! It ain't Back Talk!

I think Amaron should have said "When was the last time you made any meaningful contribution to this board?"

If you don't like the topic, why read it? If you don't like the direction the thread is going, get out of it. If you don't like Journey, go away. Why would you even open this thread in the first place, PF? You have absolutely no interest in Live Boots of Journey that Deano would be offering. So why did you open the thread and why did you read the whole thing after seeing the first post and why did you feel the need to make a stupid comment about the thread which you have no interest in? WHY are you HERE, PF??

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:36 am

perryfaithful wrote:I pm'd you about this Deano and you have ignored me so I guess all your stuff is really for show. Thought you had a little more "stuff" than that.

perryfaithful wrote:
Have pm'd Dean, my dear. He does not respond. This is all about the show for him, I guess. He is center attraction, spewing garbage and meaningless insults TO GET ATTENTION.

Well, none from me anymore

PF is sounding like a woman scorned. This is the second time now on this very forum that she is calling attention to the fact that she PM'ed Deano and never got a response in return.
Here's what I have to say to that;
BIG FUCKING DEAL, LADY!
In case you forgot, Deano at one point created AN ENTIRE THREAD devoted towards you. Therein, he offered to take you out for a night on the town, and to cover the costs to see a Journey show. Not only did you not take him up on this very magnanimous offer, but you didn't even have the common decency to write him back.
So drop the melodramatics already, you transparently janus-faced bitch.

P.S.
In case you call into the question the veracity of my above claim, here is the link:
http://forums.melodicrock.com:/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=99137&highlight=perryfaithful#99137

MR

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