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I now think Andrew is right.
Posted:
Tue May 09, 2006 11:48 amby Free
It simply will not happen uneless they make the hall of fame. What I'm talking about is Perry never getting back with Journey. I'm convinced of it now.
It's sad because this is what I was holding out for. The reason I think this will not happen now is three fold.......
1. Perry does not need the money.
2. Perry knows he does not have the voice he once had.
3. Perry is not emotionally stable. I doubt he's living in reality.
As Andrew has said, "this ship has sailed." Yep. I'm in agreement with that now.
One other thing. The Caveman said back in 2000, "whether Steve Perry wants to admit it or not, he has a fear of singing live now."
I think the door is shut besides him singing one song with them if they make the hall of fame.
Re: I now think Andrew is right.
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Tue May 09, 2006 12:59 pmby TRAGChick
Free wrote:It simply will not happen uneless they make the hall of fame. What I'm talking about is Perry never getting back with Journey. I'm convinced of it now.
It's sad because this is what I was holding out for. The reason I think this will not happen now is three fold.......
1. Perry does not need the money.
2. Perry knows he does not have the voice he once had.
3. Perry is not emotionally stable. I doubt he's living in reality.
As Andrew has said, "this ship has sailed." Yep. I'm in agreement with that now.
One other thing. The Caveman said back in 2000, "whether Steve Perry wants to admit it or not, he has a fear of singing live now."
I think the door is shut besides him singing one song with them if they make the hall of fame.
Wow....
It's the last 2 statements that make me really sad
To go from "Powerhouse-Vocal Guy" to WHATEVER he thinks he is now...
but, that's the price of being a Perfectionist....as a fellow Perfectionist - Vocalist, I can totally relate...
He just needs to UNDERSTAND that most of us will understand and/or welcome his change of voice...it's a visceral instrument; not made out of metal or wood or plastic...so yeah, it's gonna change...
He just needs to sing more than one or two sentences once in a while, y'know?
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Tue May 09, 2006 8:22 pmby Abitaman
Peery doenot have his anymore, but look at Rod Stewart, neither does he, and he still sings. People will go see Rod to for him being Rod. They would do the same for Perry. But Perry will not go for that, because he is a perfectionist as you said. A shame, would love to hear Perry sing again ( but not really in Journey anymore)-ERIC
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Tue May 09, 2006 8:53 pmby Paul_UK
If that's true, the irony is that a Perry on a bad day could still be better than other vocalists on their best! He really was that good.
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Tue May 09, 2006 9:45 pmby NealIsGod
So you won't be asking us for any more dough, right Free?
I think those of us who support the current lineup knew this long time ago. The fact that Perry came back in 1996 and the band put out Trial By Fire, their worst album by far, spoke volumes to me. When Augie was brought in and I first heard "Remember Me", I was very happy that the Journey is not over yet.
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Tue May 09, 2006 11:28 pmby Red13JoePa
NealIsGod wrote:So you won't be asking us for any more dough, right Free?
I think those of us who support the current lineup knew this long time ago. The fact that Perry came back in 1996 and the band put out Trial By Fire, their worst album by far, spoke volumes to me. When Augie was brought in and I first heard "Remember Me", I was very happy that the Journey is not over yet.
Speaking of RM, just spun it again recently and noticed the subtle acoustic that plays basically throughout the song under the verses. Great touch, seemingly a rare thing for Journey....wonder if it's Schon or Augeri playing that part.
For the record of the topic again, I want Augeri to remain the lead singer and a solo rock album from Perry.
Re: I now think Andrew is right.
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Tue May 09, 2006 11:55 pmby Moon Beam
Free had this to say
It simply will not happen unless they make the hall of fame.
What I'm talking about is Perry never getting back with Journey.
I'm convinced of it now.
Did I miss something?
I thought they were inducted into the hall of fame
on Jan 21 2005?
Re: I now think Andrew is right.
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Tue May 09, 2006 11:57 pmby Red13JoePa
Moon Beam wrote:Free had this to say
It simply will not happen unless they make the hall of fame.
What I'm talking about is Perry never getting back with Journey.
I'm convinced of it now.
Did I miss something?
I thought they were inducted into the hall of fame
on Jan 21 2005?
Hollywood Walk Of Fame that was.
Re: I now think Andrew is right.
Posted:
Wed May 10, 2006 12:13 amby TRAGChick
Free wrote:One other thing. The Caveman said back in 2000, "whether Steve Perry wants to admit it or not, he has a fear of singing live now."
Is there a link to this interview somewhere?
Posted:
Wed May 10, 2006 12:27 amby TRAGChick
Well, he certainly LOOKS fine: and not "afraid" of being in the public eye...
From Saturday, May 6th:
http://www.journeymusic.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/030406.html
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Wed May 10, 2006 12:31 amby NealIsGod
Looks like he is storing nuts for the winter.
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Wed May 10, 2006 12:54 amby Moon Beam
Thanks Joepa for clearing that up for me.
Much appreciated Sir!
NIG I had to laugh at that one....thanks
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:00 amby PROPERRY
He looks fantastic in that Picture!!
I certainly DON'T buy into ANY of this crap that people are saying HERE about him, such as Perry being "afraid" of being in the public eye.
And if HE WANTED to sing, I'm sure he would do it, I just feel he is living HIS LIFE the way he wants to, that's all!!
Lori
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:09 amby Red13JoePa
Holy smoke. Blimp Diesel..... hey if Neal's shape is fair game, then come on. With that grill that puffy he should not grin at least not that widely.
Having said that, I can agree w/ Lori. It's not that he's afraid as evidnenced by the White sox thing. Hell, that was completelyy undadorned and he did it. he jsut doesn't feel like it now.
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:15 amby NealIsGod
Red13JoePa wrote:Holy smoke. Blimp Diesel..... hey if Neal's shape is fair game, then come on. With that grill that puffy he should not grin at least not that widely.
Having said that, I can agree w/ Lori. It's not that he's afraid as evidnenced by the White sox thing. Hell, that was completelyy undadorned and he did it. he jsut doesn't feel like it now.
I think he knows his voice is a shadow of what it once was, so he has stepped aside. Time for him to enjoy life. More power to him.
Posted:
Wed May 10, 2006 1:31 amby Free
Paul_UK wrote:If that's true, the irony is that a Perry on a bad day could still be better than other vocalists on their best! He really was that good.
Yep. However I think he's so emotionally immature that the thought of him sounding anything less than he did in the hey day really scares him. He's frightened of what people will think.
He certainly has huge self identity issues.
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:34 amby Free
Abitaman wrote:Peery doenot have his anymore, but look at Rod Stewart, neither does he, and he still sings. People will go see Rod to for him being Rod. They would do the same for Perry. But Perry will not go for that, because he is a perfectionist as you said. A shame, would love to hear Perry sing again ( but not really in Journey anymore)-ERIC
Most perfectionists are very weak and shallow people.
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:36 amby TRAGChick
Free wrote:Abitaman wrote:Peery doenot have his anymore, but look at Rod Stewart, neither does he, and he still sings. People will go see Rod to for him being Rod. They would do the same for Perry. But Perry will not go for that, because he is a perfectionist as you said. A shame, would love to hear Perry sing again ( but not really in Journey anymore)-ERIC
Most perfectionists are very weak and shallow people.
Really?
I thought a perfectionist was someone who had drive and direction to be the best they can be.
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:51 amby PROPERRY
Free wrote:Abitaman wrote:Peery doenot have his anymore, but look at Rod Stewart, neither does he, and he still sings. People will go see Rod to for him being Rod. They would do the same for Perry. But Perry will not go for that, because he is a perfectionist as you said. A shame, would love to hear Perry sing again ( but not really in Journey anymore)-ERIC
Most perfectionists are very weak and shallow people.
Actually "weak" & "shallow" is MORE of a description of a person "like yourself" that feels that they have to "tear someone down" that they personally DON'T even know!
Lori
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Wed May 10, 2006 1:58 amby TRAGChick
Here's the official word from Lora Beard:
"Some of you may have heard about the Steve sighting on Hollywood Blvd this past Saturday (May 6). Here's the scoop. We (Lora & Cyndy from Fan Asylum) were going to be in LA for a client meeting on the same day as a fan get-together. Since we hadn't been back to the star since the 2005 ceremony, we thought it would be fun to meet up with other fans there. We happened to mention our plans to Steve who was also going to be in town for a couple of days on a business trip. He surprised us all by stopping by the star to say hi to everyone.
As with the Walk of Fame event in 2005, his appearance at the star was NOT pre-arranged. This weekend was simply a happy coincidence. We were just as surprised as everyone else to see him there - all the stars in Hollywood must have been aligned!
Although Steve does NOT view any of the Steve Perry/Journey sites, he is aware of the connections that are made between fans on all the various fan forums. Many of the fans at the star were cyber buddies meeting each other face to face for the first time at this get-together. We enjoyed seeing the joy on the faces of these lucky fans as well as the excitement of other tourists who were out star gazing on Hollywood Blvd. Steve’s impromptu appearance definitely put a smile on a multitude of faces that day, including ours. : )
Lora & Cyndy"
Posted:
Wed May 10, 2006 6:41 amby Free
PROPERRY wrote:Free wrote:Abitaman wrote:Peery doenot have his anymore, but look at Rod Stewart, neither does he, and he still sings. People will go see Rod to for him being Rod. They would do the same for Perry. But Perry will not go for that, because he is a perfectionist as you said. A shame, would love to hear Perry sing again ( but not really in Journey anymore)-ERIC
Most perfectionists are very weak and shallow people.
Actually "weak" & "shallow" is MORE of a description of a person "like yourself" that feels that they have to "tear someone down" that they personally DON'T even know!
Come on Lori. I'm not tearing him or anyone down. Just stating the truth. Now think about what you just did. You just did the exact same thing you accused me of doing.
Lori
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Wed May 10, 2006 6:45 amby Kaj
You seem to know a lot Free,saying perfectionists are weak and shallow people.....hahahaha.......well from what I know,Rush drummer Neil Peart is one of the most famous perfectionists in the music business and I believe he´s a very strong minded person with more depth than the mariner grave.
I truly believe Perry haven´t felt as good as he does today and I will take rather listen to Trial by fire on any day of the week than the Augeri cd´s with Journey.
Posted:
Wed May 10, 2006 6:47 amby Free
tragchk wrote:Free wrote:Abitaman wrote:Peery doenot have his anymore, but look at Rod Stewart, neither does he, and he still sings. People will go see Rod to for him being Rod. They would do the same for Perry. But Perry will not go for that, because he is a perfectionist as you said. A shame, would love to hear Perry sing again ( but not really in Journey anymore)-ERIC
Most perfectionists are very weak and shallow people.
Really?
I thought a perfectionist was someone who had drive and direction to be the best they can be.
Yes. Those are attributes as well. Perfectionsists are not all bad. Most perfectionists' drive comes from their fear of not being perceived as anything but wonderful to others.
A perfect example is Rush Limbaugh. They guy is a very unhappy man. He's mentioned in interviews what keeps him going is his fear of not drawing large radio audiences.
Contrast this flawed view with a guy who loves what he does so much that he's not afraid to fail.
Big difference.
Posted:
Wed May 10, 2006 6:58 amby Free
Kaj wrote:You seem to know a lot Free,saying perfectionists are weak and shallow people.....hahahaha.......well from what I know,Rush drummer Neil Peart is one of the most famous perfectionists in the music business and I believe he´s a very strong minded person with more depth than the mariner grave.
I truly believe Perry haven´t felt as good as he does today and I will take rather listen to Trial by fire on any day of the week than the Augeri cd´s with Journey.
There is a huge difference between someone who is striving to be the best they can be and a guy whose whole being is predicated on how someone will react when they see him perform.
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Wed May 10, 2006 7:02 amby TRAGChick
Free wrote:Yes. Those are attributes as well. Perfectionsists are not all bad. Most perfectionists' drive comes from their fear of not being perceived as anything but wonderful to others.
A perfect example is Rush Limbaugh. They guy is a very unhappy man. He's mentioned in interviews what keeps him going is his fear of not drawing large radio audiences.
Contrast this flawed view with a guy who loves what he does so much that he's not afraid to fail.
Big difference.
I just did some "instant research", and look what I found:
Cribbed from:
http://stress.about.com/od/burnout/a/mental_burnout.htm
"Perfectionist Tendencies: Striving to do your best is a sign of a hard worker and can be a positive trait that leads to excellence. However, perfectionism can cause excessive stress and sometimes be crippling.
What’s the difference between striving for excellence and being a perfectionist? Perfectionists beat themselves up if everything isn’t perfect, whereas mere hard workers are happy with a near-perfect job well done. Perfectionists sometimes won’t even try to accomplish a task because they’re too terrified of ‘failure’—which can be defined as anything less than perfect! If you’re a perfectionist, you should practice forgiving yourself for being human, and congratulate yourself for being great (even when you’re human)."
Well, I guess I "mellowed out" over the years....when I was young, if I made even the SMALLEST mistake onstage, I would completely lose it!! LOL Now, I just shrug it off...I mean, I don't consider myself a keyboard player; yet I play it onstage...if I make a mistake, I just make a joke out of it and say someting like "...and that's why I'm a singer!"
Posted:
Wed May 10, 2006 7:08 amby Free
tragchk wrote:Free wrote:Yes. Those are attributes as well. Perfectionsists are not all bad. Most perfectionists' drive comes from their fear of not being perceived as anything but wonderful to others.
A perfect example is Rush Limbaugh. They guy is a very unhappy man. He's mentioned in interviews what keeps him going is his fear of not drawing large radio audiences.
Contrast this flawed view with a guy who loves what he does so much that he's not afraid to fail.
Big difference.
I just did some "instant research", and look what I found:
Cribbed from:
http://stress.about.com/od/burnout/a/mental_burnout.htm"Perfectionist Tendencies: Striving to do your best is a sign of a hard worker and can be a positive trait that leads to excellence. However, perfectionism can cause excessive stress and sometimes be crippling.
What’s the difference between striving for excellence and being a perfectionist? Perfectionists beat themselves up if everything isn’t perfect, whereas mere hard workers are happy with a near-perfect job well done. Perfectionists sometimes won’t even try to accomplish a task because they’re too terrified of ‘failure’—which can be defined as anything less than perfect! If you’re a perfectionist, you should practice forgiving yourself for being human, and congratulate yourself for being great (even when you’re human)."Well, I guess I "mellowed out" over the years....when I was young, if I made even the SMALLEST mistake onstage, I would completely lose it!! LOL Now, I just shrug it off...I mean, I don't consider myself a keyboard player; yet I play it onstage...if I make a mistake, I just make a joke out of it and say someting like "...and that's why I'm a singer!"
The red letter part of that article sums it up.
Posted:
Wed May 10, 2006 7:11 amby TRAGChick
Free wrote:tragchk wrote:Free wrote:Yes. Those are attributes as well. Perfectionsists are not all bad. Most perfectionists' drive comes from their fear of not being perceived as anything but wonderful to others.
A perfect example is Rush Limbaugh. They guy is a very unhappy man. He's mentioned in interviews what keeps him going is his fear of not drawing large radio audiences.
Contrast this flawed view with a guy who loves what he does so much that he's not afraid to fail.
Big difference.
I just did some "instant research", and look what I found:
Cribbed from:
http://stress.about.com/od/burnout/a/mental_burnout.htm"Perfectionist Tendencies: Striving to do your best is a sign of a hard worker and can be a positive trait that leads to excellence. However, perfectionism can cause excessive stress and sometimes be crippling.
What’s the difference between striving for excellence and being a perfectionist? Perfectionists beat themselves up if everything isn’t perfect, whereas mere hard workers are happy with a near-perfect job well done. Perfectionists sometimes won’t even try to accomplish a task because they’re too terrified of ‘failure’—which can be defined as anything less than perfect! If you’re a perfectionist, you should practice forgiving yourself for being human, and congratulate yourself for being great (even when you’re human)."Well, I guess I "mellowed out" over the years....when I was young, if I made even the SMALLEST mistake onstage, I would completely lose it!! LOL Now, I just shrug it off...I mean, I don't consider myself a keyboard player; yet I play it onstage...if I make a mistake, I just make a joke out of it and say someting like "...and that's why I'm a singer!"
The red letter part of that article sums it up.
Yup...and that's why I put it in "red".
Posted:
Wed May 10, 2006 7:55 amby *Laura
Funny,a long time ago,Perfectionism was a subject of my psychology exam.I couldn`t possibly flunk it because I was/am...a perfectionist,LOL!
Fascinating subject anyway...I can understand SP and why he always used the "double-edged sword" term in his statements about his voice.
However,I am not sure of the kind of perfectionist he is.
Umm...ok,I'm lying.I know.
Here`s more to read about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfection ... chology%29
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Wed May 10, 2006 8:04 amby heardonthestreet
I believe that Perry will only perform again when and if he has something he wants to sing or write about. He covered a lot of ground before he left that part of the music business behind, and when it got to be all too consuming, he wanted a private life and a chanch to live outside the limelight. He proved himself and made a lasting, influencing impression on the music world. Didn't he say that he did not want to be a rock and roll casualty? He has his wealth, I hope his health, and he can produce, consult and add to any friendly project that catch's his eye, or ear.
Someone posted that Perry at his less than best, would still be better than most vocalists. I think that whatever range he needs at this time in his life, would be as wonderful and melodic as any of his earlier work.
His suprise appearence at the WOF with the Perryville ladies, tells me that he is on top of things and just enjoying his fans adoration, of which he so richly deserves.
He must be free of stress now with no need to be a perfectionist and he's been there, done that, lived the magic and is now living his life, his way.
Why feel the need to paint him into a corner, just because he isn't doing what some of you want him to do? You don't know that his voice isn't as wonderful as ever, if in a lower range.
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Wed May 10, 2006 8:20 amby *Laura
It doesn`t matter if an artist performs or not - perfectionism is in the blood anyway,on and off stage.No matter what he chooses to do career wise,Steve will always be a perfectionist.He may not be stressed out anymore,which is a great thing,but his perfectionism won`t be cured with a good night`s sleep.