Finale

[Rockindeano]

I felt compelled to post this again.

This is it.

Reply to Abs if I feel up to it? He doesn't deserve the response.

Tell you what, and listen carefully. I have never been this pissed.

Fuck you, 13. You are a douche. For you to say to me in PM, if this shit, and I use the term loosely, is real and proved, then you would say, "you're right, Dean." Instead, you cower and run around with your other blinded folk. Fuck, it's been proved here a few times, SCIENTIFICALLY by a singer no less, with more than sufficient technology. You are spineless. I have lost a great deal of respect for you. I was the only one to put my fucking neck out there to be chopped off, with a chance to be sued(which will probably happen now), because I knew I was right, and that current day Journey, led by Neal fucking Schon, have ripped us off for 2 years(allegedly). Yep, that's right. Neal, if you got a problem with me, feel free to get in touch via PM or have your "people " do it. You are ALL spineless fuckers.

I did this because it stinks to high heaven. The people here who now believe and do believe are smart and have a spine...you others are blind and/or retarded.

Eric(Abitaman), you are the dumbest SOB I have ever met. Fuck you. YOU GODDAMNED KNOW they have been fakin it, yet you are such a Goddamned pussy, you STILL can't see the difference between night and day.

This is the EASIEST disection you will ever see. let's see, the two professional singers on this board agree 100% that there is a Fucking Taped Fraudgeri performing. (By the way Steve, you too can feel free to PM me, or have one of your "people" do it as well). You wouldn't last 5 minutes with me in an interview, because I have all the truth. You would be exposed faster than Janet Jacksons' left tit...Now, my hard evidence is locked away.(Sorry Irving, you can't have the hard truth you scumdick).

I am furious at all of you who tell me, "produce it, loudmouth" or "Let's hear it RnD." I present it, it's proven, and you yellow-bellied pussies elect to go stray on me. I am serious, fuck you all(you know who you are.). I DESERVE some respect, IMO, for having the FUCKING balls to present this serious accusation, and present IRREFUTABLE truth, and have you all say, "I still don't believe this."

Well guess what. This isn't ending. Eric, fuck you again, you know why? I DID LOVE Journey, but NEVER again. Your stupid assed post(like it's any different than any before) set me off. This story is headed for a MAJOR MUSIC PUBLICATION, and don't think I won't do it. You can all get ready for a bomb in the industry, courtesy of yours truly. I was going to drop this whole thing. I felt bad, and was going to let it dissipate. After taking the day off(due to some legal pressure), and after reading the shit that has been spoken of in my absence, I have decided to tell all. So those of you who thought I was too scared to tell the secret first time, you get another chance to second guess me. You will all see this blowing up in the very NEAR future. There is a chance this tour does NOT get finished, that's how serious I am.

Eric, 13, NIG, Big J, Eric, Dave28, Yogi, and anyone else I forgot, you all are either deaf, blind, spineless, or flatout lifeless to NOT back someone(ME) who used to go to war for this band, and now is soured because of corruption and FLATOUT ROBBERY, even after my FACTUAL EVIDENCE has been proved.

Don't think I wouldn't blow the whistle on Bruce Springsteen, The Stones or U2 if I knew the same thing. Jeremy needs to reappear. Jeremy needs to say that although bands do this every night, they don't do it to these extremes. THIS IS FRAUD.

Neal, Jon, Deen, Ross and Steve, I would love to talk face to face with ANY of you, because you are ALL guilty, along with Management(allegedly), for this TRAVESTY.

It is highly unlikely I will EVER forgive those who told me to prove it, then ran and kept up their spineless BS.

Thanks a lot guys. Just keep telling yourselves I am a Loon.

Sincerely,

The ONLY one with guts and balls on this Pussy laden board.

[Rockindeano]

Part 2....

I am still fuming, forget the fact I am hurt...

Eric, dude, you have bent me waaay out of shape. Respond to your post? Ok..

Well there are too many unanswered for me to believe this. Questions that RD said he knew of, that are not fitting in to place

You are JOKING, right? Jesus is definetely not perfect. He forgot your brain.

Why did Deen try out for the lead singer, if he was mad cause Schon was giving Augeri the boot.

He did? news to me.

Why did mgmt want to keep Augeri, but anew lead singer was under contract to take Augeri's place?

Pretty simple. How the Hell could they afford to lose their new, albeit smaller fanbase. Dude, at least try to attempt to think once in awhile.

Why was it Schon was the one who said no to this new lead singer (notice difference of who said what in 3 and 4), cause Schon wanted to keep Augeri but mgmt did not.

Again, news to me. I can't comment on something I know nothing about. THAT's Libel.

Why is it you swore Team Dean to silence on this info, but you yourself started dropping hints with in a week, someone who LOVES THIS BAND AND WANT NO HARM TO COME TO THEM. I know it wasn't you who said it right out, but you had it out there, and all anyone had to do was PM you.

Yes Eric. I wanted a little chatter, for the sake of traffic and activity on the site, and to see if anyone had something. I needed reinforcement. I couldn't go out there like a crazed dog. I got it right. Fuck you again, Eric.

I don't blame 28 for telling it, I was about to to shut you up. But you just got worse.

Feel free to take a writing and grammar class. Do they have those courses in Tennessee?

28, was on the OTHER side. If anything, Dave is pretty honest. I believe Dave believes the taping, I really do.

Cool Why is it you waited until Andrew was gone to bring this up, when he told you to stop before. Would you have done it if Andrew had been here?

I didn't wait until Andrew was gone. I respect Andrew and I am not sure if he desires this on his site, but fuck it, he believes in free speech as do I. If he closes it, he closes it. Notice Andrews' replies to the numerous threads? He is staying out of it. I personally don't really give a shit if Andrew is here or not. I think Andrew likes that attitude. Dude is all for honest debate.

Why do you insist that he we don't hear it we don't know anything. Who you trying to convince yourself

Because you DON'T want to believe it. It's simple. He LIP SYNCHS. Sweet and Simple.

You love the band? Why are you doing this without first giving the band a chance to see and hear the evidence.

Dude, are you serious? You want me to ask the five fellows and their sound guys and their management if they have had a chance to hear what they produce? You are kidding right?

Ego?

No Eric, hardly. I do however have conviction and I believe this shit can not be tolerated.

maybe you really don't love the band after all.

Hey, you got one right.

One last comment Eric.

Steve Perry NEVER EVER lipped a lead vocal. Funny how you say he is the voice of rock, yet quickly state he had help on lead vocal tracks, and then defend a singer with less than half the talent, saying he never lips...Jesus.



Now, for some more information.

NIG, 13 and other anti Loon posters. I know why you are so against this. You are afraid that the Loons will get ahold of this, and that they will be victorious. All those months we all spent battling, fighting, namecalling, and hammering on the Loons was at the time, IMO, a good fight. Sometimes though, you have to admit when you are wrong. Augeri and Journey are wrong. Doesn't make the loons any more attractive, nor Perry either. They are still pathetic. Look at em? They now have a negative on which to run on. THAT is pathetic, however, I needed to come clean.

The Loons haven't won shit. PF, PP, HOTS and the rest of them are some of the worst people on the planet, so don't feel bad. NIG, 13, TNC, at the time, we fought for what we thought was right. I have already done so, as has TNC, that we were wrong. It's ok to admit this.

PP, PF, HOTS, Sherrie, don't break your arms patting yourselves on the back...you are still losers.

[Rockindeano]

One More....



Don't you think a good number of people will NEVER agree with Me, because I am ....well, me?

Let's face the truth, I am not the most liked person here.


What a sad day.

[*Laura]

It is always been like this – even if the truth hurts it is liberating when you come clean. It’s always better to have a clear conscience than to compromise and live with the guilt of blanketing the truth.
I have to say that I admire Dean for having the strength and the backbone to go all the way and to take all the risks.I for one, do not blame him for taking attitude and exposing the facts.Despite of what some of you would think,that IS the attitude of a real fan.Put it this way – if you really love someone,tell them when they are wrong.It’s like when your significant other starts doing drugs and you find out.You find the drugs,you find the needle.What do you do? Do you ignore the facts and keep lying that everything is fine or do you face the truth and say “Hey,I know you are doing drugs” and then try to find a way to see what can be done.
I am sure Dean loves Journey,even now,even after being deceived by the band he grew up with.And I am also sure that this whole thing hurts him very much.It’s not easy to find out that someone you loved for your whole life is been cheating on you…
That’s the way I see things.

I am with you on this,Dean.

As for Journey…well,besides the music and all,it’s a machinerie,an institution. It’s a cruel industry out there and every artist has to find the best way of staying in the business.However, they are artists,and IMO,the saddest thing artists can do is to deceive the ones who love them.It is heartbreaking to know that the people who are supporting,both financially and emotionally this band, are considered fools. Yeah,it’s a harsh word …but it`s how it looks like.

It is sad,indeed,but it's the truth and eventually I prefer it.

[anonymousse]

Hang in there,Deano.

[verslibre]

Congratulations, 13. You are a class act.

You are courageous. I have a great deal of respect for you.

You are ALL heroes.

Eric(Abitaman), you are the wittiest magnificent bastard I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. I'd make love to you.

Irving, I'm an open book.

Well guess what.

I felt bad...

Eric, 13, NIG, Big J, Eric, Dave28, Yogi, and anyone else I forgot, you all have my deepest thanks, and if I've forgotten anybody may I be struck deaf, blind, spineless, or flatout lifeless.

Neal, Jon, Deen, Ross and Steve, I would love to buy you all a round, because you are ALL guilty, guilty of making me very, very happy.

Thanks a lot guys.

Sincerely,

The ONLY one with butterflies in my stomach and shaved balls on this testosterone-laden board.

[*Laura]

Versilibre,you are an open book.I can see the void in your head.

[verslibre]

Were you trying to write a run-on sentence or do you merely have an aversion to your space bar? That's the really *long* key at the bottom of your QWERTY board, the one you hit with your thumbs, usually right below C, V, B, N, and M.

[Abitaman]

Hey Dean, I didn't known you posted your answer man, sorry, got mad an made another reply at the thread I posted my stuff on. Brought up some more questions. Answer if you want. I'm mad too, not at you, but the way you went about it. But I'm not going to get into WORD FIGHT OR CALL NAMES, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO GOT THERE-ERIC

[NealIsGod]

So what I'm hearing is that, had all of us on this message board 100% agreed with you on this, you would be happy and let it die? But since not everyone agrees 100% (although I think we all agree that there is some chicanery going on, and that lots of bands do it), that pisses you off and you are going to a music publication to expose the band. Do I have this right?

[Eric]

Rock-N-Deano starring this summer in....................

The Journinci Code

[NoMoreTails]

You would be exposed faster than Janet Jacksons' left tit...

I think it was the right one.

I wanted a little chatter, for the sake of traffic and activity on the site, and to see if anyone had something

At the risk of compromising your Journey camp insider?

[Red13JoePa]

In my pm I sorta meant I'd say Deano was right provided it's confirmed officially not "proven" beyond a reasonable doubt with digital soundclips in a thread here. Journey actually being officially accused, then addressing the issue in an official capacity, issuing an admittal and apology is more of what I thought of as criteria for the issuance of my statement.
That's just me though.

[AR]

Aren't 3 threads of this enough? I think I'm going to make my post from yesterday my new signature.

Is it possible that Journey "sweetens" the live vocals a bit? Sure. Most hard rock bands do. For Journey, they already have an added assistance with Deen's backing vocals.

Def Leppard uses a lot of tricks live. Instrumentally and vocally there are things going on. Kiss (a former favorite of mine) is a virtual joke. Guitars not plugged in, added backing vocals. In fact, they go so far sometimes as to sing over a live soundcheck tape where they knew there were no mistakes.

Yngwie Malmsteen used Joe Lynn Turners vocals on tape during the chorus of Heaven Tonight, after Joe had left the band (which was really weird).

Is Steve Augeri flat out lip synching? - nope. No way. Some occassional tricks, sure, what band doesn't? But he's hit enough "bad" notes on shows that I have seen and have on tape to know that he is singing live for the most part. I just watched the Baltimore DVD from the Generations tour and Wolf Trap from the previous tour and the songs do not match the Casino Rama shows I have from recent years. I could go listen to every single boot that I have but I have no desire to drive myself crazy hearing Ask the Lonely 25 or 30 different times.

For those who think that Steve Perry never had any help live, you're also kidding yourself. Especially if you think you could insert him into Journey now and that he would sound like he did on the Houston Escape show 25 years ago. That's laughable. It's also the show everyone seems to judge his entire live career on because it's the most readily available footage. I've heard many performances where I wasn't satisfied with his vocals, where he flat out rushed songs and didn't sound that great. Doesn't mean he wasn't a fantastic singer though. However some of the idol worship that goes on with him is really embarrasing and downright strange.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents, take it for what you will. It's really a shame to see what goes on between fans of this band sometimes. I'm just happy they still exist and I can hear some new music and catch them live every once in awhile.

Damn, no wonder I don't post very often. As you all were......

Peace out.

[L~L~L]

Actually Dean could be right about them lip syncing. Them backing
out of Festival "Vina Del Mar" is proof enough for me.
Those Chileans wont have none of that lip syncing shit!

[Red13JoePa]

Well, you're a handy character witness then.

[NealIsGod]

Well, you're a handy character witness then.

Handydandy!

[Red13JoePa]

The standard of proof is lofty, too. Canceling the show in Chile as a smoking gun of lip synching. That makes "strict scrutiny" of the Supreme Court look like jumping through a window.

[AR]

Last time I saw Augeri in person was the Baltimore show. He pulled away the mic a couple of times to avoid some high notes here and there. If he were lip synching he would not have done that.

My friend and I were watching this very closely since we know he had been having some problems early on in the tour with the 3 hour shows. There were a couple of notes from the Generations songs (especially in "Faith") that we were wondering if he could hit or not.

For the please bring Steve Perry back crowd, I only wish he WOULD come back so they could drop the songs down to a lower key and the myth would be destroyed. No way he can perform these songs today.

Personally I like the guy and wish he'd tour on his own. Then there would be a comparison of Perry 1983 vs. what he has left in the tank today. For the amount of vigilant (psychotic?) fans he has today, you think he would give something back to them by performing live - but he won't.

[NealIsGod]

Personally I like the guy and wish he'd tour on his own. Then there would be a comparison of Perry 1983 vs. what he has left in the tank today. For the amount of vigilant (psychotic?) fans he has today, you think he would give something back to them by performing live - but he won't.

I think those comparisons would embarass him, which is why he shuns the music world now, except for the occasional BG vox. The man is a perfectionist, supposedly, so he doesn't want his limitaitons exposed. Perfectly understandable.

[Liz22562]

When Journey pays my mortgage, puts food on my table and clothes on my kids backs I'll let this alleged information outrage and upset me.

Until then, they are nothing but a band and they could care less if I exist or not.

As for calling everyone a foul, vulgar name that does not happen to support your theory 100% is about as immature as it gets.

New topic please.

[Angiekay]

When Journey pays my mortgage, puts food on my table and clothes on my kids backs I'll let this alleged information outrage and upset me.

Until then, they are nothing but a band and they could care less if I exist or not.

As for calling everyone a foul, vulgar name that does not happen to support your theory 100% is about as immature as it gets.

New topic please.

The truth shall set you free. Good perspective. This is getting old.

[NealIsGod]

Don't you think a good number of people will NEVER agree with Me, because I am ....well, me?

Let's face the truth, I am not the most liked person here.

I disagree. I think you are one of, if not THE most popular person who posts here. And if you think someone won't see things your way because they don't like you, then that's not your problem, is it? This is a message board, there will never be 100% agreement on anything.

[AR]

he doesn't want his limitaitons exposed. Perfectly understandable.

Agreed. Very rational statement.

Fact is Steve Perry is one of my favorite frontmen ever. The fact also is he is 57 freaking years old. I don't blame him for not wanting to perform. If he did, he would need a lot more help than Augeri gets from Deen's backing vocals or some sound sweetening here and there

Steve Perry might still be able to carry a tune in a lower register. Journey's songs a helaciously difficult even for a young man. Augeri is doing an admirable job performing them and never gets cut any slack from the pro Perry crowd. That's why I'd love to see Perry get up there and see them all hang there heads when he wouldn't live up to their expectations.

Had Steve Perry never left the band, Journey would still be in about the same position they are now. Face it, bands like Journey, Styx, Foreigner, etc are nostalgia acts. We are very fortunate that any of them bother to make any new music or tour at all. They are old men for God's sake.

It is the era of American Idol (unfortuantely). You can't turn back the clock, but you can enjoy what is still left of your favorite bands.

This Augeri witch hunt is just that. And it's pretty sad. he's 47 himself and has been asked to sing incredibly tough material for a long long time now. Material that he sometimes struggles with and that Steve Perry couldn't sing at all anymore. An almost 60 year old man singing this stuff - forgetaboutit.

[Rockindeano]

Theodore Roosevelt once said,

"Having to choose between righteousness and peace, I will choose righteousness every time."

[NealIsGod]

Theodore Roosevelt once said,

"Having to choose between righteousness and peace, I will choose righteousness every time."

I heard he was lip synching.

[amaron]

Theodore Roosevelt once said,

"Having to choose between righteousness and peace, I will choose righteousness every time."

I heard he was lip synching.

Actually... you're thinking of Alan Alda in 'Murder at 1600'

[Angiekay]

Theodore Roosevelt once said,

"Having to choose between righteousness and peace, I will choose righteousness every time."

He also said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"

[Rockindeano]

He also said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"[/color][/size][/b]

Well, I only subscribe to half of that proverb. The big stick thing, I believe.

[Angiekay]

He also said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"[/color][/size][/b]

Well, I only subscribe to half of that proverb. The big stick thing, I believe.

I'm pretty sure people have that figured out.