Investigative Journalism

[knox]

Something is going on, and not just in Dean's imagination. Obviously Andrew is trailing this thing as well and doing a heck of a job in not covering up the investigation here. I say:


WELL DONE FOR FREEDOM OF THE PRESS, ANDREW !!!!!!!

I don't believe much of what I read or hear on the internet, but this situation screams "SOMETHING IS AMISS". I am not here to bash anyone, but why someone would follow and support Journey, Augeri, or ANYTHING with blinders on, out of loyalty or whatever you call it, is beyond me. Heck, if my own mother was doing something that was wrong I wouldn't support her just because she is my mother.

This is great journalism. There is something happening that needs to come to light. For those of you who say "So what, it doesn't matter, I don't care, it's a great show", I say continue to enjoy the facade. However, don't blast those who want to know the truth - no matter how harsh it may seem.

Knox

Edit - Just wanted to add this: I have been lurking here for about a year, so I am not a "new guy" by any stretch.

[NealIsGod]

Edit - Just wanted to add this: I have been lurking here for about a year, so I am not a "new guy" by any stretch.

Then you should know it has been repeatedly said by Andrew and others that there are to be NO MORE NEW THREADS ABOUT THIS. There are already 20 or more to choose from. Better yet, keep it in jabba's blog. That's where it belongs.

[knox]

NIG, I understand where you are coming from, but the crux of this thread is about the Journalism aspect. Yes, I threw my opinions in regarding the evidence, but that is to give the reader my point of view on the issue. The other threads did not adress the investigative side of this in and of itself. However, for your benefit I will delete my opinions to keep the thread more on track with the title.

knox

[NealIsGod]

I am not trying to censor anyone. Just sick of this shit dominating what was once a great forum. Thread after thread after thread. And then Nora tries to start a thread to make people laugh, and pit comes in and hijacks it. I am just sick and tired of this. Sick and fucking tired.

[Andrew]

NiG - I officially retract the no more threads request, as this is not going away and such a requst is impossible to moderate.

Just don't kill each other ok?

[NealIsGod]

NiG - I officially retract the no more threads request, as this is not going away and such a requst is impossible to moderate.

Just don't kill each other ok?

I really don't understand the mixed messages you are sending out, Andrew. Tight leashes one week, then unlimited threads the next. Now it's "just don't kill each other". So we are given free reign to say whatever we want and you won't shut us down? Pit seems to do that.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Something is going on, and not just in Dean's imagination.

Yes, it's really weird. I'm listening to the Manchester boot, and it sounds
like it's going from tape to live & back to tape again. I could be wrong, but
I've seen the band with Augeri a number of times, and it didn't quite
sound like this.

The high notes in Harm's Way are just NAILED, but when he goes to
improvise in the chorus, it's like "what?" The level drops, and it's
kinda shaky. Then back to perfect again in the verse. Really odd.

I saw the VH 1 special, and he's indeed eating the mic the whole time,
never pulling away like he used to. I'd truly like to hear Elson's
explanation for what's going on here.

[knox]

As to the "Is this really a big deal" angle on the situation, I will admit that it is to me.

However, I am in my late 30's, married for 12 years, 2 kids, so my life is pretty boring anyway. This has given me something to follow since football season is still months away LOL...

[knox]

One other thing - and I will get crucified for bringing this back up...

The concert that is to be released on DVD from last year. There were some people who reported, TRUTHFULLY, that front row attendees were pushed back so "hot, young females" would be in camera shots. This was good journalism, but it was squashed on a certain forum, never to be publicly brought up again. I somewhat understand that - since it IS the band's site, but I feel like that story HAD to be told.

Obviously, the people who paid good money weren't pretty enough to be in the DVD (if it ever gets released). Who's idea was it to push them back in favor of hotties? No one knows but the band. However, corporately it is Journey's fault.

Looking forward to more reports from those "in the know".

[NealIsGod]

Good Lord. If that upsets you, then write to their management. The band themselves don't make decisions like that.

[knox]

Nothing upsets me...

I am merely stating facts - there is no emotion involved here.

And since we are dealing with facts, there is NO WAY you can back up your claim that the band has no hand in the decisions that are, or were, made; especially regarding the girls in the front row. Just as I have no way to back up whether they knew or didn't know that the girls were being brought in.

I am not going to make any of this personal to anyone on here. I will deal with facts as facts and opinions as opinons.

But again, for you to state "The band themselves don't make decisions like that." is your opinion with no substantiation - NOT FACT.

[NealIsGod]

But again, for you to state "The band themselves don't make decisions like that." is your opinion with no substantiation - NOT FACT.

And you have no proof that that even happened. And if it did, so what? Who give a shit?

[knox]

To all the Back Talkers who got pushed out of their 5 star seats at that show, as well as to anyone here who was re-seated, I apologize for the above post calling you out as possible liars. I was not there, but I do believe what you posted on Back Talk was truth, as evidenced by your obvious emotion and frustration. I, for one, believe you.

[perryfaithful]

NiG - I officially retract the no more threads request, as this is not going away and such a requst is impossible to moderate.

Just don't kill each other ok?

The "new" threads have been opinions and info from authors elsewhere on the web, in the world on this subject. Andrew would look pretty Back Talk foolish trying to kill any information on the subject. Hiding it does NOT make the possibility go away! I understand that Andrew wishes it to be discussed with some class and not in brawl fashion.

[Liz22562]

Hey NIG, I wonder if those of us that enjoy the music should just go back to the classic rock section.

So far we have been called 'dicks' (and worse) and "adding to the cause" because of our enjoyment of music.

Sad state of affairs when I am cursed at in either direction because of what I listen too.

[Red13JoePa]

True, Lizzstress. This Journey forum is not everybody's brand of vodka right now.
In fact, it looks like Beirut after the goddam bombing.

[augeri1]

NiG - I officially retract the no more threads request, as this is not going away and such a requst is impossible to moderate.

Just don't kill each other ok?

I'm sorry, but was your request for no more threads on the issue being followed? Hell it got to the point where you didn't even lock'em anymore...and the only time anything gets said on the attacks is when someone gets tired of the BS and slings back at Dean and his followers...impossible to moderate...classic.

[Monker]

Looking forward to more reports from those "in the know".

MORE reports? How about ANY reports from someone "in the know"? So far, this is just Dean's crusade over his opinions of comparing boots. That's it, nothing else.

As for the "good journalism"...WHAT journalism? Where are the interviews with members of Journey's crew, members of the band, or management? Where are the interviews with other people besides just one man's opinion? So far, all we have is Dean's opinion being spouted on some websites that nobody has ever heard before.

As for the "hot chicks" at the DVD concert. It was talked about here too. But, who cares? So, they wanted some babes in the front row for a DVD...big deal.

[Monker]

I understand that Andrew wishes it to be discussed with some class and not in brawl fashion.

Given the characters involved, Perrheads and Dean...Andrew is foolish to believe that it can happen in any other way then in a brawl.

[knox]

Here is how I see an interview with the band going:

"Steve and Neal, is it true that you lip synch?"

"No".


I have listened to the tape comparisons. Forget everything else, forget Dean's hype, forget the sensationalism of it all. Listening to the bootleg tapes is an eye opening experience. THAT is what I am basing my beliefs on right now.

If it turns out that Dean orchestrated all of this, fabricated the bootleg comparisons, and made everything else up I will gladly apologize for my stance. However, if you JUST listen to the Faithfully tape, you can't help but draw the conclusion that SOMETHING went wrong. Augeri's voice went from sounding good to sounding hoarse and weak in a matter of 2 seconds. Plus, and this is my conclusion drawing here, it appears as if he is asking the audience to sing along to help cover him. Getting them to sing a prominent line like "For Tomorrow" from Wheel is one thing. Having them sing an entire line or more is something else altogether.

If it IS all true, then yes - that is what I am calling great investigative journalism. If it is NOT, and we are supposed to know more this week, then I am wrong in my faith in those recordings.

However, Higher Place is a recorded lead vocal - no chance for an argument there (unless you believe it is a fabricate bootleg).

One big scam? Possibly. However, I don't know anyone who would go through this much trouble just for the attention. It is not like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. Dean must have one huge vendetta if he is faking all of this. I just don't buy that he is.

I could be wrong, of course.

[Monker]

[quote="NealIsGodkeep it in jabba's blog.[/quote]

BTW, that's not Jabba in his avatar...

That's the pile of shit person who eats a fly in "Weird Science".

[bionic]

One other thing - and I will get crucified for bringing this back up...

The concert that is to be released on DVD from last year. There were some people who reported, TRUTHFULLY, that front row attendees were pushed back so "hot, young females" would be in camera shots. This was good journalism, but it was squashed on a certain forum, never to be publicly brought up again. I somewhat understand that - since it IS the band's site, but I feel like that story HAD to be told.

Obviously, the people who paid good money weren't pretty enough to be in the DVD (if it ever gets released). Who's idea was it to push them back in favor of hotties? No one knows but the band. However, corporately it is Journey's fault.

Looking forward to more reports from those "in the know".

Kiss always do this on their dvd's get loads of young models,looks better than fat housewifes i suppose,not a big deal.

[knox]

You quoted the wrong person. I never said anything about Jabba.

I know that is Chet in the avatar.

[wildone]

One other thing - and I will get crucified for bringing this back up...

The concert that is to be released on DVD from last year. There were some people who reported, TRUTHFULLY, that front row attendees were pushed back so "hot, young females" would be in camera shots. This was good journalism, but it was squashed on a certain forum, never to be publicly brought up again. I somewhat understand that - since it IS the band's site, but I feel like that story HAD to be told.

Obviously, the people who paid good money weren't pretty enough to be in the DVD (if it ever gets released). Who's idea was it to push them back in favor of hotties? No one knows but the band. However, corporately it is Journey's fault.

Looking forward to more reports from those "in the know".

Kiss always do this on their dvd's get loads of young models,looks better than fat housewifes i suppose,not a big deal.

Yeah unless you were the one who bought the 5* package and then was asked to move...

[Monker]

Yeah unless you were the one who bought the 5* package and then was asked to move...

You don't know what you are talking about.

Nobody was asked to move. They simply brought in the chicks and added rows IN FRONT OF the first row of paid tickets.

If you are going to join in on the rampage of this bullshit, you should at least know what you are talking about.

[wildone]

Yeah unless you were the one who bought the 5* package and then was asked to move...

You don't know what you are talking about.

Nobody was asked to move. They simply brought in the chicks and added rows IN FRONT OF the first row of paid tickets.

If you are going to join in on the rampage of this bullshit, you should at least know what you are talking about.

Oh sorry now i get it so it's ok to block the paying fans way ...geee i'm sorry my bad...

[Liz22562]

Several years ago I attended a Billy Joel concert. Within the first few lyrics into Piano Man the audience took over the song and sang the WHOLE thing back to Billy Joel. Billy pushed his piano stool back, pointed his mirophone for a brief time to the audience and listened. He didn't sing another word. Again, the WHOLE song was sung to Billy Joel..he didn't sing another word.

Oops, my bad. At 2 seconds into the song, Liberty DeVito pushed a button and well, we all can guess what happened from there. Apparently, Billy was having an off night and he wanted the crowd to cover for him. So the crowd, dumb as they were, sang the whole song back to Billy. You can't help but "come to the conclusion that somethng went wrong". "In a matter of 2 seconds, his voice sounded hoarse and weak and it appeared he was asking the audience to sing along to help cover him". Several days after that an unknown poster from another country posted on some website never heard of, that Billy Joel was actually lip synching and life should end for all.

NOT.

Can you come up with something better than that Knox?

By the way, the crowd actually singing the whole song back to Billy Joel actually happened. It was a great concert!

[knox]

Liz, have you HEARD the song?

[Liz22562]

Yes, I have heard every song on here that Deano has asked that we please listen too.

What you and a few others just don't seem to get is very simple. There are a few people that would like to continue posting on this Journey forum without being slapped around for enjoying music. You are most definitely entitled to your opinion, thoughts, ideas, etc. But because I enjoy the music, I have now been called by another poster as resorting to making it personal and making insults to people - which I have never done.

I may not agree with Deano. So What? I may not agree with you. So What? You may not agree with me. So What? Is that insulting to you? Sad if it is.

[knox]

I don't get insulted. This is merely a group of strangers talking about music and what goes on around the music. I couldn't care less what anyone thinks, which is why I don't take, or give, anything personally.

My whole point is this... If there is something going on like has been accussed, I would like for it to come to light. I would feel the same if it involved a football team, a politician, or a high school chess team.

I love the music. I have GHLive in my cd player right now. I will always be a Journey fan. That doesn't mean, however, that I think they are above what Dean MAY have uncovered. I am just looking for the truth, that's all.

There is no denying that something is up with those recordings. That is all I am saying.