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I need to say something here. This is NOT an admission of wrong accusing if you will, but a corrected word statement.

Steve augeri is NOT Lip synching...technically. He is singing...however, his mic is Never turned on, until he needs to address the crowd.

It basically is the same thing as miming or not singing, because he knows whatever is coming from him is not being heard. Kevin Elson is playing the tape over the song. "Not to worry Augeri, we got this" should be the mantra for the evenings on tour.

Not getting nasty or personal, just clarifying. So when people say they are in the front row and "there is no way Steve Augeri is lip synching" they are technically correct. However, he is in NO WAY singing live. No Way!

Have a great evening.

By the way, I just heard the entire edinburgh, Manchester and Sweden shows..He sings NO songs 100%. NONE. Just thought I would let you know.

Some of you call that "assistance" or "help", I call it something else.

Rockn'deano wrote:Steve augeri is NOT Lip synching...technically. He is singing...however, his mic is Never turned on, until he needs to address the crowd.

That's not what the Svante guy is saying...He is saying what he heard in his monitor is different then what was coming from Elson. So, he's saying Augeri's mic was on, it just wasn't in the mix.

Monker wrote:

Rockn'deano wrote:Steve augeri is NOT Lip synching...technically. He is singing...however, his mic is Never turned on, until he needs to address the crowd.

That's not what the Svante guy is saying...He is saying what he heard in his monitor is different then what was coming from Elson. So, he's saying Augeri's mic was on, it just wasn't in the mix.

Either way, whether the mic is on or not, what is being alleged is that the real feed from the mic (if on) is not what is being heard. Semantics at that point if the darn thing is on or not.

Monker wrote:

Rockn'deano wrote:Steve augeri is NOT Lip synching...technically. He is singing...however, his mic is Never turned on, until he needs to address the crowd.

That's not what the Svante guy is saying...He is saying what he heard in his monitor is different then what was coming from Elson. So, he's saying Augeri's mic was on, it just wasn't in the mix.

I guess what's happening is Augeri sings, but NO ONE hears it...Elson funnels that away into th abyss and plays the Vegas boot over everything.

It technically isn't lipping, but it sure isn't singing. And to all of the viewers, here is my claim.

Steve isn't getting just help. He isn't singing live a single song or a single word; unless the CD skips, like in Faithfully.

So technically he isn't "lipping" but he sure isn't singing. What they said to him was this; "Steve, go ahead and sing, I'll just turn your mic off...if it should break, try to keep up."

Well, a couple fans and a sound engineer caught em red handed.

Again, whatever you think of what Deano is doing, these are not new allegations. This goes back to at least the Warfield show which was what, 2003? And that was posted (and probably closed and deleted) on BT. I did a quick search on their message board.

This will continue to haunt Journey whatever the outcome is.

The Svante story where Augeri sung loudly into his mic but sucked is what made me suggest the miniscule chance that he has the wool over his eyes and Elson is orchestrating all of this.

A Fire Inside wrote:The Svante story where Augeri sung loudly into his mic but sucked is what made me suggest the miniscule chance that he has the wool over his eyes and Elson is orchestrating all of this.

Are you saying that Augeri doesn't even know?

What if Augeri goes off script, like randomly says "hello San Francisco!" in the middle of a lyric? No crowd response at all might tip him off.

Augeri's mic is always on, it is only mixed to the front of house mix by Kevin depending on what he is hearing through those big ass monitor speakers he had sitting in front of him backstage at Sweden Rock Festival. Sounds like Kevin hasn't liked what he's been hearing for a while now. The Manchester version of Faithfully brought tears to my eyes. I hope Augeri is set for life.

Jeremey wrote:Augeri's mic is always on, it is only mixed to the front of house mix by Kevin depending on what he is hearing through those big ass monitor speakers he had sitting in front of him backstage at Sweden Rock Festival. Sounds like Kevin hasn't liked what he's been hearing for a while now. The Manchester version of Faithfully brought tears to my eyes. I hope Augeri is set for life.

Don't cry Jeremy. It isn't often the tape breaks. He is always on the money, if you know what I mean. Well, almost always on the money.

JDouglee wrote:What if Augeri goes off script, like randomly says "hello San Francisco!" in the middle of a lyric? No crowd response at all might tip him off.

Ah, see, that's a MUCH better counterpoint than "That's absurd!!1" I'll buy that. I mostly suggested it because it seemed no more idiotic than half the stuff around here lately.

Ah so, someone comes along to refute your claim of lip synch and now you change up the story. Typical. If what you are NOW saying is happening, then we would all notice it because Steve's lips would often not match what the crowd is hearing. He is listening to himself sing and not hearing what Elson is piping in. NOT A SNOWBALL's CHANCE.

If it's indeed true that the vocals the crowd hears aren't actually live, is it possible that Augeri doesn't know it? In other words, does he perhaps hear himself through monitors on the stage but isn't able to hear the mix the crowd is getting? I'm by no means a veteran concert goer or a sound engineer, so I'm just a bit curious.

He would not be able to pull that off. The lips would never match the words. ALL of us would have noticed by now. It would be far easier for someone to dub the vocals of an entire concert over a bootleg.

The original claim was that the vocals matched perfectly. What he is claiming now is inconsistent with that. Each concert would still be totally different.

It's all coming crumbling down.

Didn't the courts require rehab, Deano? 3 strikes you're out, no law like that?

conversationpc wrote:If it's indeed true that the vocals the crowd hears aren't actually live, is it possible that Augeri doesn't know it? In other words, does he perhaps hear himself through monitors on the stage but isn't able to hear the mix the crowd is getting? I'm by no means a veteran concert goer or a sound engineer, so I'm just a bit curious.

Ok, that's what I just said... 3 posts ago.

conversationpc wrote:If it's indeed true that the vocals the crowd hears aren't actually live, is it possible that Augeri doesn't know it? In other words, does he perhaps hear himself through monitors on the stage but isn't able to hear the mix the crowd is getting?

Again…the whole idea of Augeri not knowing that the audience is hearing his taped vocals is ridiculous! Sorry but I just can’t conceive such a thing!
Just imagine,if he didn’t knew, his real singing wouldn’t match with the tape,his mouth would surely move in a different way than the taped words.If he would only hear the stage monitors and he wouldn’t be able to hear the sound up front he couldn’t synch up the words. People would notice.
Come on…When something like this is set up – the use of the taped vocals- it has to be done with the complicity of the singer in the first place!
My guess is that Augeri knows very well and sings along with his taped voice.I am sure he is not pushing his voice at all,at least he is not singing in full capacity behind the tape..

The sad part is that they did all this to cover up Augeri's serious vocal problems,which is not correct.It is still called "cheating the people"...
It would have been better for them to take an honest decision: a vacation,for Steve's vocal sake.

Shania wrote:Again…the whole idea of Augeri not knowing that the audience is hearing his taped vocals is ridiculous! Sorry but I just can’t conceive such a thing!

No need to get all worked up. Just posing a question. I haven't thought this through and, to be honest, I have far more important things to spend much time thinking about.

conversationpc wrote:

Shania wrote:Again…the whole idea of Augeri not knowing that the audience is hearing his taped vocals is ridiculous! Sorry but I just can’t conceive such a thing!

No need to get all worked up. Just posing a question. I haven't thought this through and, to be honest, I have far more important things to spend much time thinking about.

Actually,the thought process on that shouldn't take too long.
And,no,I am not worked up at all.I just answered.

Steve isn't getting just help. He isn't singing live a single song or a single word; unless the CD skips, like in Faithfully.

What CD?

Rockn'deano wrote:Steve isn't getting just help. He isn't singing live a single song or a single word; unless the CD skips, like in Faithfully.

It is VERY doubtful they would use an old-fashioned CD for this. It's got to be digital.

Most likely they're hard disc recorders. Synced up to the click track that
Deen gets.

So, now we have a bunch of different stories.

Svante said he saw TAPES - not CD's.

Dean said CD's were skipping in this first post...He then later changed to tapes being broke.

Now we are hearing other formats, including hard disks...

And, you guys actually want people to believe this "make it up as you go along" story?

and, BTw, are Cd's not digital? When did Cd's become analogue recordings?

Damn fine post, Monker. They are making it up as they go along.

Once we get though next week with nothing coming of this, can we let it die then?

Monker wrote:
Now we are hearing other formats, including hard disks...

That's probably because most people wouldn't understand what a hard disc recorder does. "Tape" is a term most everyone can understand.

If you recall, the original post on the newsgroup reported seeing multitrack recorders onstage. I simply stated what they're called.

I think that with the story as all over the place as it is.. deano will be made out to be some crazed perry fan/stalker type if he really goes on the radio. He will prob get joked on after he leaves.

The shape of the argument is shifting like quicker than It in the Stephen King book.

My favorite is Elson wearing a peacoat, wig, fake mustache and Rex Harrison hat pulled down over his face flipping the switch of the tape on/of on/off on/off.

Red13JoePa wrote:The shape of the argument is shifting like quicker than It in the Stephen King book.

My favorite is Elson wearing a peacoat, wig, fake mustache and Rex Harrison hat pulled down over his face flipping the switch of the tape on/of on/off on/off.

Must be his alter ego, because, Kevin doesn't travel with the band.

Rockn'deano wrote:Have a great evening.

By the way, I just heard the entire edinburgh, Manchester and Sweden shows..He sings NO songs 100%. NONE. Just thought I would let you know.

According to the setlists posted they did songs that were not on the 2001 DVD. So in your version of reality, where did those vocals come from?

Then it would seem that place in you heart and faith in the heartland and
stone in love to name a few would sound "exactly" the same from 2 different shows. I am sorry however that is not what I heard or saw.
I have also seen him sing to people and ad lib things in songs that is not
"exactly" the same.
I am sorry I am not buying it.
Not now or ever

Where's the answer to the question, Dean? If all the vocals are on tape--where do the non-2001 DVD songs come from?

LAWoman wrote:Where's the answer to the question, Dean? If all the vocals are on tape--where do the non-2001 DVD songs come from?

Good question, I'd like to know the answer to this one myself.